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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

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How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
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BUBUMPPPP Yall i don't even know who to tag for a honest rate
 
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good post, caffine solutions are cope though
 
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ltn
 
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good post, caffine solutions are cope though
Yeah.. paid 10 bucks for it only because finance bros are buying it in wall street.. wanted to feel like a version of me 2020 me would be horny about
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Mtn
 
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1 Do you agree with my analysis? 2 Anything I am missing? 3 If you were to hardmaxx what would you select (not trynna become ken from barbie or som jfl)
 
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1 Do you agree with my analysis? 2 Anything I am missing? 3 If you were to hardmaxx what would you select (not trynna become ken from barbie or som jfl)
didn’t read

go ask in the cosmetic surgeries section for surgery advice
 
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normie but u have potential. u look bland as fuck. get lean with a mogger hairstyle
 
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normie but u have potential. u look bland as fuck. get lean with a mogger hairstyle
Dude I'm like 14 percent BF , plus being very honest I bumped into thousands of haircuts and none of them worked out of this one I'm pulling rn. Any quick advise? Plus Idk like I was considering to pin fillers for my jawline and brow arch, for my chin and lips lack of projection.. well for what i know people usually go either for a gonio or Bimax but Honestly I'd like to think before that kinda stuff
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
Richard Gere GIF by Filmin

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6425489 1781120815319
 
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Dude I'm like 14 percent BF , plus being very honest I bumped into thousands of haircuts and none of them worked out of this one I'm pulling rn. Any quick advise? Plus Idk like I was considering to pin fillers for my jawline and brow arch, for my chin and lips lack of projection.. well for what i know people usually go either for a gonio or Bimax but Honestly I'd like to think before that kinda stuff
fair. getting leaner aint easy when youre already 14%. Your current haircut is bad imo, its something my dad would get jfl.


softmax the eyes. thicker brows, eye lashes and curl them. dont know nofin about surgery tbh

you also have negative hooding just to mention
 
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fair. getting leaner aint easy when youre already 14%. Your current haircut is bad imo, its something my dad would get jfl.


softmax the eyes. thicker brows, eye lashes and curl them. dont know nofin about surgery tbh

you also have negative hooding just to mention
Yeah I kinda noticed but I have no idea how to fix it , no idea both surgery and softmaxxing whise, Mtb told me eye area reminded her of this guy jfl
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
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BUMP
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
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@aids dude i am tagging you since i always find your postings to be very accurate and studied. I'd love to hear what if you think in general, I am currently just softmaxxing plus gym and I am open to pretty much everything , that be steroids , supplements, fillers and maybe planning out surgeries for the future, cheers!
 
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@aids dude i am tagging you since i always find your postings to be very accurate and studied. I'd love to hear what if you think in general, I am currently just softmaxxing plus gym and I am open to pretty much everything , that be steroids , supplements, fillers and maybe planning out surgeries for the future, cheers!
@ICL @primal_shitmuncher Same reason, thanks in advance if you'll dedicate it a minute!
 
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good unfraduded pics for once, like lmtn
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
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IMG 4395

Why tf you have a random amethyst next to the toilet :lul::lul::lul:
@inversions @valentine
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
Richard Gere GIF by Filmin
More high iq people •Striated@harmonytingfam inversions@inversions SlayerJonas@SlayerJonas
M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
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more high iq members @Orka @Striated @inversions @SlayerJonas , thanks in advance if you'll dedicate it a minute! I am fairly new and I am not asking you to do the hard work and go too in detail, just I'd love external opinions on what should be worked on and what I need to study without wasting any time, open to surgery talk ( would be in 5 yrs from now) , supplmements, drugs and any kind of help. Thanks!
 
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more high iq members @Orka @Striated @inversions @SlayerJonas
thanks for tag
Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
Train masseters, but honestly the 1:1 bigonial doesn't matter too much as long as it's the zygos that are bigger and not vice versa.
Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
Could opt for chin filler.
Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
Infra fat grafting, but it's not a noticeable falio of yours imo.
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Drop it, won't do anything.
 
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thanks for tag

Train masseters, but honestly the 1:1 bigonial doesn't matter too much as long as it's the zygos that are bigger and not vice versa.

Could opt for chin filler.

Infra fat grafting, but it's not a noticeable falio of yours imo.

Drop it, won't do anything.
Potential? Honestly as I am 19 my objective is to hit MHTN by the age of 25, so far I think that I only have two roads availalble: 1 I maximilise trough drugs and track everything for a whole year chances are I might hit LHTN but loose good part of my mental sanity plus would have to hide that stuff to my parents 2 I am capped at waiting for surgery and that would take some years as my parents wouldn't pay for it. What are the main failos in your opinion?
 
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more high iq members @Orka @Striated @inversions @SlayerJonas , thanks in advance if you'll dedicate it a minute! I am fairly new and I am not asking you to do the hard work and go too in detail, just I'd love external opinions on what should be worked on and what I need to study without wasting any time, open to surgery talk ( would be in 5 yrs from now) , supplmements, drugs and any kind of help. Thanks!
@fraudster#1 same reason, thanks in andvance!
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
Richard Gere GIF by Filmin
I'll be assessing this

you fine with surgical advice if it's warranted? since those are the only reliable methods I know that work 100% with a beneficial impact.
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
Richard Gere GIF by Filmin
Nice, no frauding.

MTN dude.
 
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I'll be assessing this

you fine with surgical advice if it's warranted? since those are the only reliable methods I know that work 100% with a beneficial impact.
That's what I am to most, as a lot of unconventional looksmaxxing methods require a lot of effort calculating potential risks , getting providers and on top of it a lot of expenses like tracking blood data etc. Thanks!
 
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M19, 180cm tall 79kgs
In the following post I aim to kind of show how i rawdog a self analysis of my face starting from gut feelings and what I remember from when I used to actually try to understand the looks theory back some years ago in BOTB.
The following pics were taken without any fraud effort unlike some *cough* FAGGOTS

View attachment 5202001View attachment 5202005
How I view it:
1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
View attachment 5202036View attachment 5202038View attachment 5202048
Current Fixes: 1 Caffeine solution by the ordinary.
I'd like to hear someone with some helpful words express himself
I KNOW I AM AN MTN DONT SPAM IT DNR
Richard Gere GIF by Filmin
main flaws are as follows; recessed chin, narrow jaw, narrow lips and more
 
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main flaws are as follows; recessed chin, narrow jaw, narrow lips and more
I was opting for a sliding genioplasty , a radix graft as i don't want all of my nose to look straight and perfect (gives "surgeries done" type of look) and I will be trying jaw fillers to see how they act on my face to possibly get jaw implants.
 
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I was opting for a sliding genioplasty , a radix graft as i don't want all of my nose to look straight and perfect (gives "surgeries done" type of look) and I will be trying jaw fillers to see how they act on my face to possibly get jaw implants.
Jaw implants are a bit of a meme in this community due to how they look post surgery. Barely any of the results look natural lol.
 
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Jaw implants are a bit of a meme in this community due to how they look post surgery. Barely any of the results look natural lol.
Thanks for pointing out! Just one curiosity do you happen to know the consequences of fillers (not exaggerated amounts lol) do they actually migrate?
 
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I'll be assessing this

you fine with surgical advice if it's warranted? since those are the only reliable methods I know that work 100% with a beneficial impact.
By the way I didn't spell properly, I am open to any advice, thanks in advance!
 
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Thanks for pointing out! Just one curiosity do you happen to know the consequences of fillers (not exaggerated amounts lol) do they actually migrate?
Filler in the lower third are generally considered pretty safe - the higher you get on the face, the more risky. I would overly rely on filler though, but it’s a great fraud.
 
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Filler in the lower third are generally considered pretty safe - the higher you get on the face, the more risky. I would overly rely on filler though, but it’s a great fraud.
It's just a simulation before surgery I don't think it's actually healthy to just pin every x months from your early 20s
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Jfl
 
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1 Like highlighted in red from the front I can observe that my cheeckbones actually "overlap" my jaw, something not really desirable as from what I remember jaw should always be at least matching zygo width.
This is wrong, as zygomatic width must be wider than the jaw. If they're identical, they will most likely look blocky or will ruin another facial assesment (such as frontal gonional angle, jaw frontal angle, mouth over gonion, whatever)

Instance
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^^ indicator of wide bizygoamtic width (wide face) as well hence ideal zygomatic arches; then you realize that you need to make the measurement itself to see if the mandible is ideal as well.
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0.87 is not ideal in terms of dimorphism.

Another measurement is jaw to neck width, which we can see that the neck is wider than the jaw, indicating poor jaw width
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Or the frontal gonional angle, or the jaw frontal angle.
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I can elaborate on these harmony measurements if you like.
Fix: gonion fillers, preferably calcium hydroxyapatite like radiesse as they mimic bone, migrate less and stimulate collagen (irrelevant to jaw width but a good a side effect) or jaw angle implants
2 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my chin and lips lack projection, letting my nose freefalling ahead without any down support.
True.

These are called lip assesments.
It's done like this
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Usually the red line must be 2-4millimeters ahead of the lips. Your lips are fairly protruded, what you lack is chin protrusion and nasal protrusion.

This has to be 2mm both lips by the way.

I also noticed this angle is fairly narrow
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The nasiolabial angle; this may look like some kind of psl auitst measurement, but it's one of the first I noticed.
It indicates that your nose tip is depressed.

Fix: A rhinoplasty is enough for these, but, if you ever get jaw filler include chin filler as well.
3 Like highlighted in red from the side I can observe that my eyes actually lack "support" making some sagging noticable
Your exopthalmeter measurement is good, and so is your orbital vector

though you may have ptosis, consult an occuplastic surgeon if you can to see if there's any eyelid dynamics you're missing.

I also noticed your canthal tilt is pretty low.
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I couldn't find the lateral canthus of the right eye, though I got around -0.5.

Consider either cantho procedures
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This will unfortunately be a marginal (if any) effect to your undereye region. Must take the hardmaxxing path if you're comfortable with doing so.

So highest surgery ROI I've listed:

Gonion + chin filler (radiesse)
Cantho (plasty/pexy will most likely be determined by your surgeons preference, I'm thinking bone drill canthoplasty)
Rhinoplasty (augumentation + tip rotation)
 
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It's just a simulation before surgery I don't think it's actually healthy to just pin every x months from your early 20s
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Jfl
This is a fairly hasty generalization

there's many victims of poor filler yet there's more who benefit from it

instances such as @Cheat_Win had a considerable ascension from filler
 
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This is wrong, as zygomatic width must be wider than the jaw. If they're identical, they will most likely look blocky or will ruin another facial assesment (such as frontal gonional angle, jaw frontal angle, mouth over gonion, whatever)

Instance
View attachment 5204184
^^ indicator of wide bizygoamtic width (wide face) as well hence ideal zygomatic arches; then you realize that you need to make the measurement itself to see if the mandible is ideal as well.
View attachment 5204200
0.87 is not ideal in terms of dimorphism.

Another measurement is jaw to neck width, which we can see that the neck is wider than the jaw, indicating poor jaw width
View attachment 5204208
Or the frontal gonional angle, or the jaw frontal angle.
View attachment 5204212View attachment 5204214

I can elaborate on these harmony measurements if you like.
Fix: gonion fillers, preferably calcium hydroxyapatite like radiesse as they mimic bone, migrate less and stimulate collagen (irrelevant to jaw width but a good a side effect) or jaw angle implants

True.

These are called lip assesments.
It's done like this
View attachment 5204193

Usually the red line must be 2-4millimeters ahead of the lips. Your lips are fairly protruded, what you lack is chin protrusion and nasal protrusion.

This has to be 2mm both lips by the way.

I also noticed this angle is fairly narrow
View attachment 5204194
The nasiolabial angle; this may look like some kind of psl auitst measurement, but it's one of the first I noticed.
It indicates that your nose tip is depressed.

Fix: A rhinoplasty is enough for these, but, if you ever get jaw filler include chin filler as well.

Your exopthalmeter measurement is good, and so is your orbital vector

though you may have ptosis, consult an occuplastic surgeon if you can to see if there's any eyelid dynamics you're missing.

I also noticed your canthal tilt is pretty low.
View attachment 5204235

I couldn't find the lateral canthus of the right eye, though I got around -0.5.

Consider either cantho procedures

This will unfortunately be a marginal (if any) effect to your undereye region. Must take the hardmaxxing path if you're comfortable with doing so.

So highest surgery ROI I've listed:

Gonion + chin filler (radiesse)
Cantho (plasty/pexy will most likely be determined by your surgeons preference, I'm thinking bone drill canthoplasty)
Rhinoplasty (augumentation + tip rotation)
Also, you could get an upper lip lift as it's pretty narrow, though that would mess up your CTP

OP do you have a gummy smile or mostly upper teeth show?
 
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This is wrong, as zygomatic width must be wider than the jaw. If they're identical, they will most likely look blocky or will ruin another facial assesment (such as frontal gonional angle, jaw frontal angle, mouth over gonion, whatever)

Instance
View attachment 5204184
^^ indicator of wide bizygoamtic width (wide face) as well hence ideal zygomatic arches; then you realize that you need to make the measurement itself to see if the mandible is ideal as well.
View attachment 5204200
0.87 is not ideal in terms of dimorphism.

Another measurement is jaw to neck width, which we can see that the neck is wider than the jaw, indicating poor jaw width
View attachment 5204208
Or the frontal gonional angle, or the jaw frontal angle.
View attachment 5204212View attachment 5204214

I can elaborate on these harmony measurements if you like.
Fix: gonion fillers, preferably calcium hydroxyapatite like radiesse as they mimic bone, migrate less and stimulate collagen (irrelevant to jaw width but a good a side effect) or jaw angle implants

True.

These are called lip assesments.
It's done like this
View attachment 5204193

Usually the red line must be 2-4millimeters ahead of the lips. Your lips are fairly protruded, what you lack is chin protrusion and nasal protrusion.

This has to be 2mm both lips by the way.

I also noticed this angle is fairly narrow
View attachment 5204194
The nasiolabial angle; this may look like some kind of psl auitst measurement, but it's one of the first I noticed.
It indicates that your nose tip is depressed.

Fix: A rhinoplasty is enough for these, but, if you ever get jaw filler include chin filler as well.

Your exopthalmeter measurement is good, and so is your orbital vector

though you may have ptosis, consult an occuplastic surgeon if you can to see if there's any eyelid dynamics you're missing.

I also noticed your canthal tilt is pretty low.
View attachment 5204235

I couldn't find the lateral canthus of the right eye, though I got around -0.5.

Consider either cantho procedures

This will unfortunately be a marginal (if any) effect to your undereye region. Must take the hardmaxxing path if you're comfortable with doing so.

So highest surgery ROI I've listed:

Gonion + chin filler (radiesse)
Cantho (plasty/pexy will most likely be determined by your surgeons preference, I'm thinking bone drill canthoplasty)
Rhinoplasty (augumentation + tip rotation)
Mental , thank you very much!!!!
 
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Also, you could get an upper lip lift as it's pretty narrow, though that would mess up your CTP

OP do you have a gummy smile or mostly upper teeth show?
mostly upper teeth
 
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you can get a CCW surgery but I think this is the lowest ROI here, though it'll help with the overly tall chin
As multiple surgeries can be invasive and the expanding number itself compounds the possibilities of getting botched I think I will surely act upon my nose, chin and jaw, regarding the eye area I noticed the same failo as you just couldn't really address it specifically and I've got to say I'm quite scared about touching that area with surgeries . The total stack would set me back about 15 to 20k and most probably all of the listed procedures will take place in between my 22 to 25 years, thank you for claryfying the situation I will actually dive into this further with a professional to figure out how to make so I optimize my aethetics without looking like Ken from Barbie Jfl. You are very professional and precise, keep it up!
 
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