Male 16, Getting Bimax, Genio, CCW rotation + Hgh, igf1

[Luca_.]

The sutures can be separated with enough force, expansion is completely possible in adults.

Completely possible with surgery

 

[ynns]

i fw my ortho. ive talked to him about my entire plan and told him my main focus is asthetics. he agreed to marpe the face mask was just something i was considering

how tf you even get your ortho on board with that. but yeah your plan is kinda shit rn.

 

[ynns]

ok it hasnt been approved yet but my dads hopeful and the surgeon rec it. worst case its all paid out of pocket i can afford it

are you like rich cell or something? why tf would your dad care?

 

[ynns]

what problems do you have for your insurance to cover it?

 

[ScienceCel]

are you like rich cell or something? why tf would your dad care?

dads super rich and i larped having clinical depression so he baisicly does anything i ask him now jfl

 

[ScienceCel]

what problems do you have for your insurance to cover it?

class 3 underbite, not sure if insurance will completely cover it but doesnt rly matter for me

 

[ynns]

dads super rich and i larped having clinical depression so he baisicly does anything i ask him now jfl

thats insane bro

class 3 underbite, not sure if insurance will completely cover it but doesnt rly matter for me

well lucky ig. any tips for me. wanna get mse but onlly have like slight issues. will do bimax when i turn 19 probably. i dont really need it but just have slight recession that can only be fixed iwth bimax and implants.

 

[ScienceCel]

thats insane bro

well lucky ig. any tips for me. wanna get mse but onlly have like slight issues. will do bimax when i turn 19 probably. i dont really need it but just have slight recession that can only be fixed iwth bimax and implants.

alot depends on ur face, pm me personally if u want. but yeah expansion and then braces is a good strategy before bimax, expansion for airways and maxillary width (helps w lips, acheving wide smile, fwhr slightly etc), braces to fix gap and bring teeth to the right place for ur bimax surgeon adn then obv bimax, also if ur recession is chin related get bimax w genio but i cant rly help u too much unless u pm me photos

 

[ynns]

alot depends on ur face, pm me personally if u want. but yeah expansion and then braces is a good strategy before bimax, expansion for airways and maxillary width (helps w lips, acheving wide smile, fwhr slightly etc), braces to fix gap and bring teeth to the right place for ur bimax surgeon adn then obv bimax, also if ur recession is chin related get bimax w genio but i cant rly help u too much unless u pm me photos

i know what i want to get. getting it is just probably noy a possibility.

 

[UndaDog]

im a 16 year old male. Current height: 5'11.3, Bideltoid: 19.1 inches. making this post almost as a log to share my entire plan and get help on what i can do to improve it/revise it. i am planning on posting my entire journey on here.

i have a slight structureal underbite not too drastic and got invisalign to try to fix it at around 14.5 years old. huge waste of time + money. Recently came to the realization I need to stop coping and get bimax to fix it. I visited a bimaxillaryfacial surgeon around 2 weeks ago; they approved for for MARPE, although I didn't have any breathing issues and my pallate isnt rly narrow but the surgeon was pretty open to it and conviced my dad to talk to him and approve it.
Goals:

• Maximize natural growth before sutures fuse
• Widen and advance midface
• Sharpen jawline + chin
• Set up ideal structure before adult surgeries

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⚒Phase 1: Development Phase (Age 16–17.5)​

1. MARPE + Facemask Protraction View attachment 3949531

• Purpose: Expand palate + pull maxilla forward
• Method: Bone-borne MARPE + Delaire facemask Will do both of these for approx 6 months (while running hgh + igf1)
• braces after this for 8-12 months to fix teeth allignment before bimax
• Supervised by ortho/surgeon
• Trying to get good midface base without surgery early

2. GH + IGF-1 Protocol View attachment 3949533

• GH: Start of with 3iu a day for first 2 weeks, 4 for the next 2, and 6iu for the next 8-12 months. I will start it as soon as i get my MARPE done.
• IGF-1 LR3: 30–60 mcg/day or 3x/week
• IGF-1 DES for local growth (zygos/mandible)
• Goal: Stimulate bone growth, widen zygos, increase ramus height, thicken mandible
• Timeline: 6–12 months depending on progress
  
  
  I'm unsure on how much dosing of IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES I should be taking would appreciate advice on that.

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Phase 2: Surgical Enhancement View attachment 3949553​

3. CCW Bimax + Posterior Impaction

• Advance maxilla (forward + up)
• Rotate mandible forward (counterclockwise)
• Improves jawline, bite, and midface projection
• Surgeon location TBD (likely Turkey or South korea)

4. Genioplasty

• Forward movement + slight vertical reduction
• Goal: Stronger chin, better lip-chin harmony
• Will depend on how mandible grows after Phase 1

Quick Timeline – MARPE + Facemask + Braces + Bimax​

• Month 0 – Start MARPE (palatal expander)
• Week 1–2 – Add Delaire Facemask (~12–16 hrs/day)
• Month 1–2 – Start Braces (light brackets or full set)
• Month 3–6 – Continue Facemask + full Decomp Braces
• Month 6–18 – Braces only, align teeth + undo compensation
• Age ~17.8–18+ – Bimax Surgery (CCW + Genio)
• Post-op (4–6 mo) – Final braces tweaks, then retainers

Hormone Dosing Timeline (GH + IGF-1)​

(Syncs with skeletal growth + ortho timeline)

Time	Hormones	Dose & Timing	Purpose
Month 0 (Start MARPE)	Start HGH	0.4 IU/day → slowly increase to 1–1.2 IU before bed	Begin boosting IGF-1 for bone growth
Month 1–2 (Facemask on)	Add IGF-1 LR3	30–60 mcg/day, AM fasted	Support systemic midface, jaw, and zygomatic growth
Month 2–6	Add IGF-1 DES (targeted)	10–20 mcg/site, 3–5x/week post-facemask or post-gym, inject near zygos or mandible	Trigger local bone growth during facemask pulling
Month 6–9+	Continue GH + LR3 if still progressing	Monitor bloods; can cycle 2 weeks off every 3 months	Maintain gains + prime for better surgery outcome
~1 Month Before Surgery	Stop GH/IGF	Let body normalize before op	Avoid unpredictable soft tissue swelling pre-op

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Daily Timing:​

• HGH – Night, ~1 hour before sleep (mimics natural GH spike)
• IGF-1 LR3 – Morning, fasted or post-facemask for synergy
• IGF-1 DES – Directly post-facemask or post-workout, localized near desired bone zones

How I am affording this. im getting pallate expander, face mask from turkey, I guilt-tripmaxxed my dad to support me with it. hes taking care of most of the cost however the growth hormone and flights are all paid by me.

will keep yall updated and add some progress pictures over time. would love some advice on what to tweak, hoping all goes well.

"ScienceCel" Yet he doesn't even know that teriparatide is the best for surgeries

 

[ScienceCel]

"ScienceCel" Yet he doesn't even know that teriparatide is the best for surgeries

yeah post surgery? so why would i put it here?

 

[UndaDog]

yeah post surgery? so why would i put it here?

Makes the recovery process 10x better by enhancing osteoblasts