MALE VS FEMALE GAZE ON BODY [SUIFUEL FOR FRAMECELS]

[randomvanish]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :

Female Gaze:

So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

 

[StuffedFrog]

real ones have both

 

[WOMENAREQUEENSNOT]

suifuel or lifefuel?

 

[randomvanish]

suifuel or lifefuel?

suifuel because never began if you don't have ideal proportions. can be faked by gymmaxxing at some point though.

 

[Artemis]

Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

The first guy has a LARGE WAIST.

No wonder women love the second guy more: he literally has a way better shoulder-to-waist ratio. Means his V-taper is a LOT better.

It is not a "male gaze", you just cannot rate physique properly, sry

 

[Orc]

the reason the first dude looks weird isn't due to the gymcelling, it's because he has a pinhead.

 

[WOMENAREQUEENSNOT]

suifuel because never began if you don't have ideal proportions. can be faked by gymmaxxing at some point though.

idk bro u strike me as glass half empty type guy

this is definetely lifefuel

 

[randomvanish]

the reason the first dude looks weird isn't due to the gymcelling, it's because he has a pinhead.

I'm like that too

 

[randomvanish]

The first guy has a LARGE WAIST.

No wonder women love the second guy more: he literally has a way better shoulder-to-waist ratio. Means his V-taper is a LOT better.

It is not a "male gaze", you just cannot rate physique properly, sry

large waist comparing with what?
he's a large dude with masssssive shoulders. by ratio, he has an insane shoulders/hip and shoulders/waist ratio.
You just don't make sense

 

[Artemis]

the reason the first dude looks weird isn't due to the gymcelling, it's because he has a pinhead.

Just noticed, yeah, that probably is more important than the physique...

I literally thought his head was just photoshopped above by an amateur

Brutal pinhead-pill

 

[Artemis]

large waist comparing with what?
he's a large dude with masssssive shoulders. by ratio, he has an insane shoulders/hip and shoulders/waist ratio.
You just don't make sense

Comparing with the second guy. It was your initial sentiment: "why women prefer the second physique". Well, the answer is: the second guy has a better shoulder-to-waist ratio. Doesn't matter how massive the first guy shoulders are, his waist is too large: bad V-taper.

PS. And pinhead is ROFL failo ofc

 

[randomvanish]

Comparing with the second guy. It was your initial sentiment: "why women prefer the second physique". Well, the answer is: the second guy has a better shoulder-to-waist ratio. Doesn't matter how massive the first guy shoulders are, his waist is too large: bad V-taper.

PS. And pinhead is ROFL failo ofc

agree with pinhead but I didn't compare 1st with 2nd. You can have giant waist but with giant shoulders, you still can look proportioned.

 

[Artemis]

@randomvanish

I fixed his physique to be way better:

 

[NegativeNorwood]

It's because of high averageness, the single most brutal blackpill out there along with the smilepill.
The key is to have good features while not diverging too much from what is average. The first guy has an amazing frame, with lots of muscle mass and a narrow skull. All of those 3 features diverge too much from average.
Aaron Piper has good shoulder width, good muscle mass and a proportional sized skull. He has above average features that do not diverge that much from average if you look closely.

That's also the reason why the guy on the right always, always wins:

PSL debunked - This is the face white women consider ideal and by far the most attractive IRL - Keep coping with your compact midface, wide face

(Skip to characteristics if TLDR) A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them...

looksmax.org

Uncanny resemblance and is not a coincidence:

Most people here thinks that someone with a face like Drago and a body like Jeff Seid is what women want, but what they actually want is someone who's features are all above average but not too much, to not detract from averageness and avoiding entering uncanny territory.

 

[Artemis]

agree with pinhead but I didn't compare 1st with 2nd. You can have giant waist but with giant shoulders, you still can look proportioned.

You can look good, but another guy with better shoulder-to-waist will still look better than you though

 

[randomvanish]

It's because of high averageness, the single most brutal blackpill out there along with the smilepill.
The key is to have good features while not diverging too much from what is average. The first guy has an amazing frame, with lots of muscle mass and a narrow skull. All of those 3 features diverge too much from average.
Aaron Piper has good shoulder width, good muscle mass and a proportional sized skull. He has above average features that do not diverge that much from average if you look closely.

That's also the reason why the guy on the right always, always wins:

PSL debunked - This is the face white women consider ideal and by far the most attractive IRL - Keep coping with your compact midface, wide face

(Skip to characteristics if TLDR) A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them...

looksmax.org

Uncanny resemblance and is not a coincidence:

Most people here thinks that someone with a face like Drago and a body like Jeff Seid is what women want, but what they actually want is someone that who's features are all above average but not too much, to not detract from averageness and avoiding entering into uncanny territory.

There is nothing average on that chico's face. Chico is just not a gay alien like Barrett. he has everything as ideal. The pictures in that article rated as 5.5 PSL.

scientists learn about "what is attractive" by looking people's faces who finded attractive by people. they don't know why exactly.
so this is where averageness fails.
striking features doesn't add up with averageness.
also combining ugly people doesn't end up with faces like jordan barrett or brad pitt. because they have 0.01% rare, striking features.
combining subhumans may end up kinda beautiful faces though.
that's where it fails.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

There is nothing average on that chico's face. Chico is just not a gay alien like Barrett. he has everything as ideal. The pictures in that article rated as 5.5 PSL.


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scientists learn about "what is attractive" by looking people's faces who finded attractive by people. they don't know why exactly.
so this is where averageness fails.
striking features doesn't add up with averageness.
also combining ugly people doesn't end up with faces like jordan barrett or brad pitt. because they have 0.01% rare, striking features.
combining subhumans may end up kinda beautiful faces though.
that's where it fails.

I didn't say that Chico or Dellisola looked average, I said they have high averageness. Their cheekbones are not too wide (Barrett), their skulls are not too robust (Drago), etc. All of Chico's features are above average, but not to the point of looking uncanny...and that's ideal.

The composite image is gigachad to women, like Chico and Dellisola who resemble that face a lot, which is all that counts.

 

[makeme183]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

the second guy is just more lean ,that's it
the first guy would mog him at 10% bf
its already known that most girls like lean with definition, not size
so your thread is basically water

 

[KING REIDYZ]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

No

 

[NegativeNorwood]

"Male gaze" = what autistic redpillers and doomer blackpillers believe is ideal.
"Female gaze" = high averageness while having above average features.

 

[makeme183]

All of Chico's features are above average

chico literally has 10/10 eye area,which is the most important feature for a man's attractiveness
he also had a 10/10 NW0 hairline
jfl at calling those "above average"
along with his height , chico was a god , there won't be another in a million years

 

[randomvanish]

I didn't say that Chico or Dellisola looked average, I said they have high averageness. Their cheekbones are not too wide (Barrett), their skulls are not too robust (Drago), etc. All of Chico's features are above average, but not to the point of looking uncanny...and that's ideal.

The composite image is gigachad to women, like Chico and Dellisola who resemble that face a lot, which is all that counts.

I didn't conflict with you, I'm just against "averageness" study. Again, those guys are not model-tier attractive guys anyway.
Ideal ratios are not matching with that theory. OF COURSE gay alien on-edge sizes&ratios are unattractive.
But you just take 2 different concepts and say "that's why averageness is real".

 

[NegativeNorwood]

chico literally has 10/10 eye area,which is the most important feature for a man's attractiveness
he also had a 10/10 NW0 hairline
jfl at calling those "above average"
along with his height , chico was a god , there won't be another in a million years

He has 10/10 eye area because it is above average in dimorphism, but not too much.

Chico's eye area is most similar to the LTM face, which is above average (AVM face), but could be a lot more dimorphic (STM and DOM).

I didn't conflict with you, I'm just against "averageness" study. Again, those guys are not model-tier attractive guys anyway.
Ideal ratios are not matching with that theory. OF COURSE gay alien on-edge sizes&ratios are unattractive.
But you just take 2 different concepts and say "that's why averageness is real".

Models are tall, lean, young people with striking features, they are human hangers for clothing. They don't need to be attractive per se. Hollywood lead actors are actually required to be attractive, the composite face looks a lot like a teenager love movie hearthrob, and so do Chico and Dellisola despite being models.
If you put a single feature that deviates too much from average on Chico (bad IPD, overly wide jaw or zygos, narrow mouth, etc) he would descend a lot with just a single bad feature because it would detract a lot from his face. The effect won't be as pronounced if you do it in someone with low averageness like Barrett or Drago.

 

[randomvanish]

The effect won't be as pronounced if you do it in someone with low averageness like Barrett or Drago.

can you defind averageness and show me HOW we can apply to a face to understand if that face is attractive or not?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

can you defind averageness and show me HOW we can apply to a face to understand if that face is attractive or not?

AVM is average dimorphism. AND is androginous. LTM is long time mate, STM is short term mate and DOM is dominant. LTM is above average in dimorphism, STM even more and DOM is as high as it can be.
You also need to take ratios into account in addition to absolute measurements.
This are low averageness faces, the one on the left has excessive zygomatic width, the one in the right has excessive bigonial width and not enough zygomatic width. Face on the right needs both a narrower jaw and wider zygos to be closer to average, while face on the left "just" needs zygo shaving.

 

[Phillybeard1996]

AVM is average dimorphism. AND is androginous. LTM is long time mate, STM is short term mate and DOM is dominant. LTM is above average in dimorphism, STM even more and DOM is as high as it can be.
You also need to take ratios into account in addition to absolute measurements.
This are low averageness faces, the one on the left has excessive zygomatic width, the one in the right has excessive bigonial width and not enough zygomatic width. Face on the right needs both a narrower jaw and wider zygos to be closer to average, while face on the left "just" needs zygo shaving.
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Which would you say is most ideal for widest appeal?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Which would you say is most ideal for widest appeal?

LTM and STM, the first being "boyfriend material" and the second "ONS material". DOM has great ONS potential but is too polarizing, and AVM is the average cuck that women want after being rejected by chad (LTM and STM).

 

[chasingaesthetics]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

Both look like shit and where is the narrow
waist pls, and you must the virgin/gay boy at your workspace if you can confidently ask a group of girls to rate guys at least pick a good physique lmfao

 

[Deleted member 16220]

All this "twink is ideal" "female gaze" shit only applies because we live in a society. Imagine if a fight actually went down tell me who would win the fight.

 

[Xangsane]

LTM and STM, the first being "boyfriend material" and the second "ONS material". DOM has great ONS potential but is too polarizing, and AVM is the average cuck that women want after being rejected by chad (LTM and STM).

Do I look like a long term or short term mate?

 

[randomvanish]

All this "twink is ideal" "female gaze" shit only applies because we live in a society. Imagine if a fight actually went down tell me who would win the fight.

agreed but as you said, we live in a society

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Do I look like a long term or short term mate?

LTM

 

[randomvanish]

LTM

atm -> anal term

 

[Xangsane]

LTM

In what way?

 

[fogdart]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

The dude you used as an example for female gaze is literally a famous actor called Arón Piper with 13 million followers on instagram. Well, women also drool over the Rock so I guess being bald is now the female gaze since male celebrities and regular men have something in common. @Blackgymmax just lol at some forum users IQ

 

[Bwill]

I'd rather have a physique like the first guy's. His physique is more intimidating.

 

[Blackgymmax]

#1 has like 5% more bodyfat and hardly any visible muscle to compensate...

The dude you used as an example for female gaze is literally a famous actor called Arón Piper with 13 million followers on instagram. Well, women also drool over the Rock so I guess being bald is now the female gaze since male celebrities and regular men have something in common. @Blackgymmax just lol at some forum users IQ

He shouldve used this dude

 

[Cyprian shamoy]

the reason the first dude looks weird isn't due to the gymcelling, it's because he has a pinhead.

Like seriously bro,people underate the power of a large skull,even tho he's large he still looks intimidating.

 

[randomvanish]

The dude you used as an example for female gaze is literally a famous actor called Arón Piper with 13 million followers on instagram. Well, women also drool over the Rock so I guess being bald is now the female gaze since male celebrities and regular men have something in common. @Blackgymmax just lol at some forum users IQ

idiot fucktard no young girl drool overs the rock. only roasties and fatass' love him. aron? he's adored majority of the young women. jbs and including the age 20-25.

intimidating

another cope.

 

[Africancel]

I stumble upon this guy and show to my telegram group (full of 20~25 girls from my workspace), they all told me that he has nice shoulders but overall looks abnormal.
While they adore the second guy. They literally drool for him. You can search him, he got millions of followers and fanpages. (aron piper)
Personally if I had a magic wand, I would choose the first guy's body to have.


Male Gaze :
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Female Gaze:
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So, the point is; they both have good clavicles with narrow waist and hips. You still have to have the ideal proportions if you want to be adored by girls. Either by gymmaxxing or just basic low bf jocky guy look.
Second one just having a little muscle mass&low bf so they thirsty over him more.

PS : I'm guessing you are not that low IQ to think RTT low trash guys adored by girls. They are for roasties in general. So, I didn't even include them for comparison.

First guy’s head is unbelievably small. It makes him look weird. Small skulled boyos take this pill: you can’t get away with a lot of gymcelling if you have pinhead skull.
He is not that lean too compared to second guy.
Second guy is lean, female gaze maxxed(tattoos, accessories), has a mich better head to body and can probably get away with more gymmaxxing. Oh and thicker neck too.