Male vs Female Nasal Size, Morphology & More

[Deleted member 17791]

High set nasal bridge on women are ideal.



Everything else is shit. It looks extremely high class.

 

[mulattomaxxer]

Great thread. This is a useful word of caution for people who want rhinoplasties. Upturned nose will make you look feminine.

Brutal cartoon pill.
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Just imagine not looking like a protaganist.

 

[Andros]

 

[Kingkellz]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:

Very good, it's masculine
The prominent nasal bridge is basically what I was talking about I mentioned nasion height (how far the nasion projects from the anterior corneal plane)
I wanted to discuss a bit more on nasal angles but maybe another time.

Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
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I think it comes down to ethnicity/racial differences with some having more projected/'forward grown' frontonasal processes than others for example an avg male eastern european vs west african.

The subtle differences along the forehead have to do with how much more the glabella projects in relation to the rest of the forehead this too has to do with racial differences and maybe also hormonal changes from disorders like acromegaly or steroid abuse.

I can make a thread on forehead probably, I have a bunch of old notes and articles all stocked away in my pm's. Whenever I make a longish thread it is just me formatting the info I have compiled in my pm's over a period of time.

 

[AscendingHero]

I can make a thread on forehead probably, I have a bunch of old notes and articles all stocked away in my pm's. Whenever I make a longish thread it is just me formatting the info I have compiled in my pm's over a period of time.

Mind inviting me to some of the notes you have in pms? who are u pm'ing this info too? or do u just use it to save/compile info?

I wanted to discuss a bit more on nasal angles but maybe another time.

I can make a thread on forehead probably,

That would be awesome haha

I think it comes down to ethnicity/racial differences with some having more projected/'forward grown' frontonasal processes than others for example an avg male eastern european vs west african.

I was looking for that term, "frontonasal processess" brb learning how that works, so along with glabella growth it creates that mogger androgenic deep set looking

very interesting

 

[Kingkellz]

Mind inviting me to some of the notes you have in pms? who are u pm'ing this info too? or do u just use it to save/compile info?

Lol I just save and compile info for myself. Sometimes I just decide to make a thread out of all the info I have learned/compiled.

 

[AscendingHero]

Lol I just save and compile info for myself. Sometimes I just decide to make a thread out of all the info I have learned/compiled.
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Invite me to the pms dawg. I could also dump alot of the info i've compiled as well?

why not doc? say we do it?!

 

[AscendingHero]

@Kingkellz bro what causes mogger frontonasal development? possible to influence in puberty?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@Kingkellz bro what causes mogger frontonasal development? possible to influence in puberty?

Pheno.

 

[Deleted member 19896]

What is the point of this thread?

 

[Deleted member 19896]

@Kingkellz bro what causes mogger frontonasal development? possible to influence in puberty?

I wonder if it's really necessary to go on this hyperintellectual tangent to come to the same broad conclusions over and over again

Fact: most of these threads are two intricate and people rep whatever seems smart without repping

two: there is not a single soul who is able to use this carefully compiled information of ratios because it's really not actionable

 

[AscendingHero]

two: there is not a single soul who is able to use this carefully compiled information of ratios because it's really not actionable

Not really, makes people more aware of the ideals so this site as a whole can have that in mind and have its looksmaxxing protocols reflective of it.

I would say this is very helpful for someone wanting to get a rhino/alar plasty or fillers (me)

because it's really not actionable

Again says who, im sure they're thousands of people not registered on this site benefitting from such info.

I wonder if it's really necessary to go on this hyperintellectual tangent to come to the same broad conclusions over and over again

No

 

[Deleted member 19896]

Not really, makes people more aware of the ideals so this site as a whole can have that in mind and have its looksmaxxing protocols reflective of it.

I would say this is very helpful for someone wanting to get a rhino/alar plasty or fillers (me)


Again says who, im sure they're thousands of people not registered on this site benefitting from such info.


No

you are an exception. Look at the looksmax section and tell me you think the guys who ask repeated questions a million times are the ones who will read this no doubt excellent post?

for the majority of the userbase this needs to be dumbed down to a flowchart or something if the goal really is to benefit the userbase largely. Or atleast it would be much better.

 

[Deleted member 19896]

Not really, makes people more aware of the ideals so this site as a whole can have that in mind and have its looksmaxxing protocols reflective of it.

I would say this is very helpful for someone wanting to get a rhino/alar plasty or fillers (me)


Again says who, im sure they're thousands of people not registered on this site benefitting from such info.


No

you know what I'll actually go through it myself every high effort thread and compile it into simple form or make a .apk app or something for convenience instead of disoriented information everywhere

The Greycel Version
Mind linking me any good stuff not in BOTB?

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Sloped foreheads look subhuman. Jfl at being a slopey.

It’s high T Neanderthal vibes

 

[Deleted member 17791]

It’s high T Neanderthal vibes

Literally proving my point.

 

[AscendingHero]

OP thoughts on nose with very prominent dorsums (nasal bridges) with deep set prominent infra glabellar notches but with the nasolobial a bit on the higher side +very sharp nose (little bolbousity)

Examples:
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Secondly what are your views on the forward grown vs recessed forehead thing? I would love for you to make a thread on the ideal upper third in males with studies backing it up with the technical terminology.

What's the difference in this forehead vs this one
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Forward Grown Square Androgenc Foreheads
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VS "Recessed" Foreheads

Like this one even has a very strong browridge but his frontal bone is not nearly as aesthetic
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Lack of glabellar bossing at all just makes it even look more juvenile and neotenous
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Morph courtesy of @StrangerDanger
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@Kingkellz you also made a good Nessman morph on it too
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Spoiler: Unrelated but David Gandy with a straighter nose bridge

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@orthochadic

 

[gribsufer1]

ideal male nose is de poots

 

[Whatashame]

Nasal Bones & Pyriform Aperture

Spoiler

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Morphometric Study of Nasal Bone and Piriform Aperture in Human Dry Skull​

CT evaluation of the bony nasal pyramid dimensions​

Nasal Skin

Spoiler

Nasal Skin Thickness Measurements Using Computed Tomography in an Adult Saudi Population​

Male versus female skin: What dermatologists and cosmeticians should know​

Nasal Size
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Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why?

Spoiler: More Info

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Naini

Thieme E-Journals - Facial Plastic Surgery / Full Text​

Ontogenetic scaling of the human nose in a longitudinal sample: implications for genus Homo facial evolution - PubMed​

The ontogeny of nasal shape: An analysis of sexual dimorphism in a longitudinal sample - PubMed​

(PDF) 3D ANALYSIS OF SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE NASAL CAVITY OF MODERN HUMANS​

Are gender differences in external noses caused by differences in nasal septal growth? - PubMed​

Adolescent growth patterns of the bony and cartilaginous framework of the nose: a cephalometric study - PubMed​

Nasal Dorsal Contour
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*Note how the cartoon depicts the differences in male and female nasal dorsal contour
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A line drawn from nasion (N′) to the nasal tip (pronasale, Prn) forms the nasal dorsal line.
The contour of the nasal dorsum and dorsal line (N′- Prn) may be straight, convex or concave.
In men, the dorsum is approximately on the dorsal line. In women, the nasal dorsum may be up to 2 mm basal and parallel to the dorsal line.

Males
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Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Why are there multiple variations in male nasal configuration?

Spoiler

The reason for the multiple male variations in nasal configuration lies in the more protuberant nature of the whole nasal region. Both
the upper and lower parts of the whole external nose are protrusive, but
the lower part can be constrained to a degree by the septopremaxillary
ligament, palate, and maxillary arch. The contour of the nose thus "rotates"; it either ''bends'' to give an aquiline configuration or rotates into a
straight, but more vertical, alignment.

Females
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Researchgate

Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans



Nasal Base Inclination
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The intersection of a line through the
most anterior and posterior edges of the nostril with a true
vertical line through subnasale. Some authorities refer to
this measurement as the ‘nasolabial angle ’or ‘columella
inclination’, both of which are inaccurate as the upper lip
and columella are not involved in the measurement.
Normal values are:
• Male: 90 – 95 °.
• Female: 95 – 105 °
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*Note how cartoons once again highlight the differences in male and female nasal base inclination

Males
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Females
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What influences the nasal base inclination?
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As you can see the direction of the anterior nasal spine influences the nasal base inclination.


Nasal Tip
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans


Males
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Females
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Supra-tip Break
The supratip break or depression is a subtle dorsal
depression formed by the convexity of the cephalic edges of the lateral crura as they diverge superolaterally over the cartilaginous nasal dorsum, higher than the nasal septum. It is a slight depression that exists on the aesthetic nose and helps to distinguish the dorsum from the tip; it is often more pronounced in the female.
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The supratip is the part of the nose where the inferior region of the nasal dorsum meets the tip of the nose, a supratip break is present when there is a variation in height between the nasal tip and the adjacent nasal bridge.
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Nasion Level
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Males
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Men tend to have higher nasion levels (ideally above the mid-pupil) than women due the sex/gender differences in both the nasal bones and nasal aperture.
Essentials of Facial Growth, by Enlow & Hans

Facial Gender Affirmation Surgery, An Issue of Facial Plastic Surgery Clinics of North America

Females
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Females tend to have nasion levels around the mid-pupil or lower.


Nasion Height
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Sexual Dimorphism in the Nose Morphotype



@bogii @Pendejo @forwardgrowth @Bobelbrah

i honestly think u guys are retarded and cant measure angles, your own examples dont have the angles you say are ideal.

 

[Debetro]

 

[Wishful]

BOTB rn

 

[gribsufer1]

it turns out I have a womans nose. giga ovER for me

its a halo

 

[nobodyspecial369]

Its most of the underrated features. You can have a chad jaw, but if this part of nose is very feminine than you are fucked.

the right upturned looks better imo

 

[nobodyspecial369]

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gigachad has flaw. brow ridge too projected and doesn’t blend harmoniously w nasal bridge