Managing Estrogen on Cycle and Proper AI Use (High IQ ROIDERS GTFIH)

[BR32]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

 

[BR32]

Bump

 

[flows5991]

good thread

 

[flows5991]

@Aryan Incel @decadouche57

 

[BR32]

good thread

thanks

 

[vision_n]

Great structuring for <500 user

Good post

 

[BR32]

Great structuring for <500 user

Good post

I've seen too many wall of texts I had to make something accessible and digestible especially when its this important

 

[Tensor]

Good thread

 

[harmonytingfam]

water but decent info for newbies

 

[BR32]

water but decent info for newbies

that was the idea I just seen to many people taking 12.5mg aromasin EOD

 

[Aryan Incel]

Good thread

 

[teenagelovepilldnr]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

holy fucking iqlet, you don’t always need a ai certain anabolics like eq,mast and primo all lower estrogen eith added anabolic benefit it is retarfed to just start off eith a ai as they have no secondary benefit and extremely neurotoxic.stop larping high iq grey rope

 

[BR32]

holy fucking iqlet, you don’t always need a ai certain anabolics like eq,mast and primo all lower estrogen eith added anabolic benefit it is retarfed to just start off eith a ai as they have no secondary benefit and extremely neurotoxic.stop larping high iq grey rope

Yeah no shit you think I don’t know that?

This is targeted at newbs who don’t want to add additional anabolics into their cycle.

EQ is fire

Also I literally said don’t start with an AI did you even read this?

 

[teenagelovepilldnr]

Yeah no shit you think I don’t know that?

This is targeted at newbs who don’t want to add additional anabolics into their cycle.

EQ is fire

Also I literally said don’t start with an AI did you even read this?

I love eq it mogsss

 

[teenagelovepilldnr]

Yeah no shit you think I don’t know that?

This is targeted at newbs who don’t want to add additional anabolics into their cycle.

EQ is fire

Also I literally said don’t start with an AI did you even read this?

thing is your molecule is testostorone(boring) mines mibolerone iykyk

 

[BR32]

thing is your molecule is testostorone(boring) mines mibolerone iykyk

That’s that crazy androgenic oral right?

 

[teenagelovepilldnr]

That’s that crazy androgenic oral right?

how did you kbow

 

[BR32]

how did you kbow

I’m tapped in twin

 

[AscensionMan98]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

But the whole goal is something preventative though. You don't wanna get gyno beforehand since the surgeries to fix it are very expensive.

 

[BR32]

But the whole goal is something preventative though. You don't wanna get gyno beforehand since the surgeries to fix it are very expensive.

Yes exactly. If you have proper
E2 management you won’t get gyno and if you do start to get gyno get on raloxifene asap

 

[trueromanian]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

Bump

 

[AscensionMan98]

• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.

I am saying why not start off with this? or a bit lower ?

 

[BR32]

• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.

I am saying why not start off with this? or a bit lower ?

Because if you're pinning daily you won't need an AI, theres no need to start with an AI

Aromatase is rate limited and most aromatization happens when test spikes pining daily reduces peaks so less aromatization j

 

[maxx92765]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

test e every day? thats chill?

 

[BR32]

test e every day? thats chill?

Yes pinning daily is optimal for E2 management

read this comment for ancillaries and supports

test

i just want to mog, when i research certain peptides or steroids like test it all says that certain peptides will fuck you up at 14 but clavicular took it at my age and now he’s cl does it really matter, should i hop on trt?

looksmax.org

 

[Micrognathic]

Such an amazing thread
To the point where I started shooting ropes while reading this

Spoiler: Must read

I haven’t even hit puberty yet I can’t even cum
I only shoot blanks

Bump

Hey niccolo
How are u?
When’s ur next aqualyx session going to be?

 

[BR32]

Such an amazing thread
To the point where I started shooting ropes while reading this

Spoiler: Must read

I haven’t even hit puberty yet I can’t even cum
I only shoot blanks

Hey niccolo
How are u?
When’s ur next aqualyx session going to be?

Glad you enjoyed

 

[trueromanian]

Such an amazing thread
To the point where I started shooting ropes while reading this

Spoiler: Must read

I haven’t even hit puberty yet I can’t even cum
I only shoot blanks

Hey niccolo
How are u?
When’s ur next aqualyx session going to be?

Probably in a week or two depends when it arrives

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

Good thread mirin

 

[BlondeVoid]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

You are an expert, very good thread bro

 

[BR32]

You are an expert, very good thread bro

I wouldn't say expert but thank you twin

 

[SideDeltGod]

What about if youre using dutasteride with 250mg test is ai necessary then?

 

[BR32]

What about if youre using dutasteride with 250mg test is ai necessary then?

if you're using 250 test you shouldn't need an AI

 

[wheyfart]

Great structuring for <500 user

Good post

This made me cringe dawg
U ain’t all that

 

[SideDeltGod]

if you're using 250 test you shouldn't need an AI

Im using 0.0625mg arimidex 2x week to reduce water retention and bloodwork in 2 weeks. At the start of my cycle i was doing 300mg test and was retarded doing 0,25mg arimidex 3x week and my e2 was at 0.04 nmo/l so crashed but oddly enough i didnt really get any symptoms

 

[scapular]

Basic Pharmacology ​

Testosterone regardless of whether it is exogenous or endogenous gets converted into estradiol by the aromatase enzyme.

This is natural and beneficial-moderate E2 levels are essential for

• Muscle growth
• Joint lubrication
• LIbido and erectile function
• Mood stability
• Neuroprotection

However excess aromatization (especially from spikes in your test) can cause all of those nasty estrogenic side effects we all know

• Puffy nips or gyno​
• Bloating and excess water retention​
• Mood swings​
• Fatigue​

---

So you decided to run the common beginner cycle of 500 test e pinning 2x/week and 6.25mg aromasin EOD and now you’re wondering why you feel like shit a few weeks in despite "controlling your estrogen" with an AI.

The problem with that is that aromatization is not linear

Most guys assume more testosterone → proportionally more estrogen → need tons of AI

Thats wrong
Aromatase is rate limited

Once you flatten testosterone peaks E2 production stabilizes

So nuking aromatase repeatedly with high does AI use overshoots massively.

In fact low E2 is actually worse than moderately high E2 in most men
From an anabolic and looksmaxxing perspective tanked E2 is a disaster

When we tank E2 here is what happens
MPS goes down, IGF 1 signaling goes down, your libido tanks, your lipids get fucked, etc​

---

Managing Your Estrogen ​

The problem with many of the cookie cutter cycles that get prescribed on .org are that they suck at actually managing your estrogen properly and avoiding uncessecary sides effects. Here's is what you should actually do to properly manage E2.

• Pin every single day or at least every other day (This reduces aromatization compared to injecting once or twice a week when you spike your blood levels dramatically --> more aromatization) Low dose injections flatten the curve so when running a cycle like 250 or 300 test most people won't even need to use an AI)​
• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE​
• Only add an AI if you absolutely need it: Arimidex start at 0.125-0.25mg 2x/week. Aromasin 6.25-12.5mg 2x/week.​
• Get lean-body fat increases aromatization​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

So you crashed your E2

Symptoms of crashed E2 include

Joint pain, zero libido, flat mood, dry skin, and brain fog, many misattribute these to high E2 or the gear itself.

If this happens stop AI use immediately and wait 5-10 days for low E2 sides to go away then reassess​

Example Protocol
Test E 300mg/week, pinned daily with a slin pin (43mg/day)
No AI at start
Monitor symptoms and bloods
Add Aromasin at low dose if needed
Keep water and sodium consistent
Track weight and bloating

Takeaways
Estrogen is your friend in the right range
Daily pinning is essential
AI use should be a last resort not a default
Stay lean, do bloodwork, optimize ​

good advice, helpful +followed
love your threads

 

[scapular]

​

• Don't use an AI "just in case" what you are doing is tanking your E2 without bloodwork and thats gonna make you depressed, have ED, and you'll have poor anabolism.​
• Start your cycle with no AI​
• Monitor symptoms weekly puffy nips? Possible gyno. Lots of water retention? Thats probably elevated E2.​
• If you get gyno get on raloxifene ASAP (I recommend buying before you start your cycle)​

---

​

What if I already have gyno before I start pinning? I'm pretty sure from puberty, I am taking DIM tho daily to try and help that (For like 2 weeks now).
Idk

 

[BR32]

What if I already have gyno before I start pinning? I'm pretty sure from puberty, I am taking DIM tho daily to try and help that (For like 2 weeks now).
Idk

How recent is the gyno?

 

[scapular]

How recent is the gyno?

For about 1.5 years ish 2 maybe
Its like level 1-2 more 2