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In this thread I will be discussing something that has been on my mind since having a conversation with an IRL friend about something similar, though not nearly as detailed and observant as this thread.

Predatory Capitalism & 'This World Is Cruel' Fallacy

Sidenote:
[Of course, this is from a 1st world western perspective where most people have everything they need (materially). If you want to extrapolate the ideas of this thread to a slum in the middle of Bombay, then of course the outcome may vary. So take that into account when reading this thread, I am not blind to the fact that the 3rd world is still very behind in bare necessities and so their peoples will have a more 'honourable' cruelty (if that is even a thing), or at least more of a justification for acting as they do].


In terms of the second part of the secondary topic title, I hear this a lot, not necessarily just on this site but IRL too when this topic comes into question. The idea that you must also become as cruel as those who would do you harm is a very prominent belief system. As you can no doubt tell, I disagree with it.
This isn't a new idea though as people had to be cruel and hard to one another in the past in order to get anywhere. But that shouldn't be the case now even though people have gotten more cruel. However, peoples cruelty nowadays comes from a place of one-upmanship rather than out of a survival necessity - for the most part. There is of course an element of survival with cruelty in todays world but it is social survivalism rather than a hardening of the heart to acquire bare necessities. Those are two different things.

Because of this, I think peoples cruelty in todays world is worse than it was when it was a survival mechanism. People don't need to be cruel to eachother in todays world yet they are. This is a very interesting phenomenon.

Being cruel to one another because they are cruel to you is a perpetuation of the abuse cycle that you hate. You therefore become implicit in perpetuating this cycle and you really don't have any excuses for it. There is a difference in protecting yourself against abusers through setting hard boundaries where if that person crosses it, you defend yourself and put them in their place - and being just as cruel as they are.

Though that is a tricky situation. You are walking a fine line between letting others walk all over you because they are evil and abusive, and giving them an excuse to be more abusive because you fought back. A very tricky situation indeed. I don't really have a definitive answer on how to do this properly though I have some ideas.

You must understand that the vast majority of people in the world can and will look for a way to manipulate you in some way if you come across as aloof, genuinely kind, thoughtful and considerate. Though that doesn't mean everyone will be like this. Not everyone is an abuser though, as I said, I think most people actually are. Which is a frightening thought.

If most people are out for blood, so to speak, then you must understand that acting in a genuinely kind and considerate manner consistently will get you 'noticed'.
The most horrifying thing I have learned in my life so far, is that the façade that most people put on is a maze of trying to protect themselves because they are damaged and sad in their hearts from abuse, but also trying to manipulate and abuse others because everyone else does. That is the crux of the situation that I don't think people give much thought to. Everyone is playing a game where they are simultaneously trying NOT to become the victim of abuse because it hurts so much, but then also becoming predatory on others who have become 'noticed' as not playing this game effectively or at all.

This situation is really getting out of control in western countries now I think. Especially in America, Canada and the UK. These three countries are big victims of predatory capitalism which has convinced its population that they must give into their nature of being vicious abusers in order to get anywhere in life. Which is where the saying 'This world is cruel so you must be cruel' comes from. Are you starting to see the picture now?

It is true that in this current system, perpetuation of abuse is the way you get anywhere in life. People like Andrew Tate are victims of this terrible mindset and are infecting young men with it too. For all his talk of 'escaping the matrix' he has done a great job at perpetuating predatory capitalism. Ironic right?

Though I think the situation goes much, much deeper than predatory capitalism. Predatory capitalism is a symptom of a disease that seems to be inherent in much of mankind. Something that I have been an observer of, and rarely a participator in.

Inherent Evil & Inherent Kindness

There seems to be a binary system when it comes to what sort of person you really are. Are you inherently evil or inherently good?
Some people will come out with that old nonsense about 'muh what is evil muh morals are subjective' crap. Nobody likes being taken advantage of no matter where you are on this planet. If morals were subjective then the methods of manipulation and abuse that we see all across the world would be different for each race, different for each ethnic group within races. But it is not. It is the exact same all over the world and the same methods crush and destroy good people all over the world every single day. Morals are not subjective they are an objective fact. There is real evil but there is also real good.

Everyone in the world can recognise real kindness, empathy and selflessness when they see it. If a man is too drunk to walk, someone helping that person get home safely is automatically viewed as an act of kindness and empathy no matter where you are in the world. The ONLY way, that could be looked at as manipulative is if someone observing that act of kindness had a kneejerk reaction because they were a victim of? You guessed it. Manipulation and abuse within the confines of a similar act.

Its the same thing over and over again. I hope you are starting to see the running theme here now. People are either inherently good or inherently evil. There is no 'grey man' that is oftentimes brought up during discussions of morality. You cannot be evil and good at the same time, if you are inherently good but do an evil act then you are a good person who has acted in an evil way. Perhaps it was a lapse of judgement? Or maybe, just maybe, you are no longer a good person...

Selflessness Is Actually Selfish? No way José!

This is a shorter one but I wish to address this moral retardation. There is an idea that selflessness is actually selfish because you are doing it to feel good about yourself. That is only the case if you are doing selfless acts to feel good about yourself. It is all a matter of perspective and understanding the reasons why you might be doing good things. If you do good things because you want to feel that you are a righteous individual and so awesome then you are not doing it because you genuinely care and want to help the world heal from abuse and manipulation. You are doing it to gratify your own ego which is not true selflessness. True selflessness is achievable and anyone who tells you otherwise is mired in a mental hell believing that nobody can be truly good due to some crazed nut philosopher 100 years ago saying so in a book he burned when he went insane and threw all his work into his fireplace because he was insane. Don't be listening to that horseshit.

Easy. Now onto the next point.

Social Survivalism & Politics
I mentioned this in the first part but I glossed over it. I want to talk about this aspect of manipulation and evil a little bit more using some anecdotes I had happen fairly recently IRL.
Everyone wants to be accepted and loved. Being accepted at large is achievable, being loved at large is not gonna happen. Only a very small amount of people in your life will love you and genuinely care about your wellbeing. The amygdala is the part of the brain that is concerned with social survivability, not the frontal lobe. The amygdala uses the frontal lobe as an effective tool to achieve social survivability but the frontal lobe is beholden to its master. Being an outcast or a pariah hurts human beings because we are social. We were made to love one another and be accepted by one another. In todays world, this has been thoroughly taken advantage of and twisted into a monster of conformity.

Conformity isn't always a bad thing though and I don't want this part of the thread to come across as if I view all social conformity as some sort of disease and I am oh-so high iq for being a non-conformist. I'm not a 15 year old.

But conformity these days requires you to shut off all independent thought if your thought process does not directly tie in the social 'rules'. This goes both ways though not merely some Marxist narrative. Within the right wing, there are certain things that you aren't allowed to speak about. You aren't allowed to really talk about the predatory nature of capitalism without being branded as a communist or a marxist in some respect. At least for circles that are still speaking about politics within the confines of what is acceptable. Of course a National Socialist would agree capitalism is predatory, but I don't see that view becoming mainstream, do you?

I recently had a discussion with two politically active friends of mine, both left of centre, who mentioned to me that non-participation in politics is unacceptable and that they would rather someone was a right wing conservative than a non-participator. I thought this was a very interesting view to have as it had confirmed an idea of mine that I had been thinking about for some time but didn't really know if it was true or not. It really does seem as if politics has become something that you MUST participate in otherwise you are 'complicit when bad things happen'. I had one friend who mentioned that without participation in social change, we wouldn't have had the standards of living that we have now compared to say, 100 years ago.

I don't disagree with him on that. But what he fails to realise is that in order to have a stable society in which you can exploit your working class, they must be comfortable. Social unrest is the worst thing a predatory society can possibly deal with because it means people are less likely to put up with bullshit. If you have a society that is comfortable sitting watching television, eating shit food and browsing the internet, then you get a complicit working class. How ironic...

Though that isn't to say these things make you happy, clearly it makes people absolutely miserable which is why people like Andrew Tate are popularised. They are a pressure release valve like most of these e-celebs who say things people aren't allowed to. The situation is so much deeper than my friend realises and I couldn't find the way in which to break it down to him without sounding patronising as well as revealing that I view politics as a massive scam - a completely unacceptable view in todays world.

In order to now survive socially, you MUST take a political stance within the confines of the current system. Even something as radical as a Leninist is still within the confines of this social order. Believing that politics is a scam because people are (for the most part) inherently selfish and evil is an unacceptable view because it outs you as a pariah as I said before. Everything that does not conform to a socially acceptable narrative (even so-called radical views) outs you as a freak of nature, an independent node, an abnormal person. Abnormality of the mind is the least socially acceptable thing that could ever happen to you.

The human species is linked through the mind. The mind is a node that connects up to a larger framework, a web-like invisible structure often called the Noosphere (pronounced: noo-oh-sphere), and if you deviate from that too much you get cut off and viewed in a hostile manner.


People will shout at you for not caring about what they care about because they are:

Number 1: Frightened for you if they care about you. They don't want you to become separated from the linking web of minds.
Number 2: Frightened of you because your mind is so radically different to others that they cannot process how you are thinking.

Alienation is an interesting word to describe it because yes, you get viewed in the same way as an alien from outer space would. So radically different in thought that you are no longer considered human. This is also where the abuse and evil comes into it, if someone no longer views you as fully human (subconsciously of course) then you are an? Invader. And must therefore be bullied and destroyed for not being like they are.


Conclusion

I have no real conclusion to make because the thread is the conclusion really. If you read all of it then you will understand the POV I am trying to describe. It's a weird wacky world out there and don't let anyone abuse you needlessly. As an aside, I have another thread in the works that I will be making about something related to this but a little bit different. Stay tuned and God bless.
 
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@Biggdink is the kind of guy you are describing. The guy is incredibly dishonest and manipulative. Alows sowing seeds of discords and wishing ills on peoples he don't like
 
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@Vermilioncore is a true evil manipulator. I would never eat a burrito with him. Shit, might poison me or some shit. But he's such a good manipulator I would end up eating it anyway! correlation and causation type shit.
 
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@Biggdink is the kind of guy you are describing. The guy is incredibly dishonest and manipulative. Alows sowing seeds of discords and wishing ills on peoples he don't like
@Vermilioncore is a true evil manipulator. I would never eat a burrito with him. Shit, might poison me or some shit. But he's such a good manipulator I would end up eating it anyway! correlation and causation type shit.
No comment as I don't really speak to these users :forcedsmile:
 
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In this thread I will be discussing something that has been on my mind since having a conversation with an IRL friend about something similar, though not nearly as detailed and observant as this thread.

Predatory Capitalism & 'This World Is Cruel' Fallacy

Sidenote:
[Of course, this is from a 1st world western perspective where most people have everything they need (materially). If you want to extrapolate the ideas of this thread to a slum in the middle of Bombay, then of course the outcome may vary. So take that into account when reading this thread, I am not blind to the fact that the 3rd world is still very behind in bare necessities and so their peoples will have a more 'honourable' cruelty (if that is even a thing), or at least more of a justification for acting as they do].


In terms of the second part of the secondary topic title, I hear this a lot, not necessarily just on this site but IRL too when this topic comes into question. The idea that you must also become as cruel as those who would do you harm is a very prominent belief system. As you can no doubt tell, I disagree with it.
This isn't a new idea though as people had to be cruel and hard to one another in the past in order to get anywhere. But that shouldn't be the case now even though people have gotten more cruel. However, peoples cruelty nowadays comes from a place of one-upmanship rather than out of a survival necessity - for the most part. There is of course an element of survival with cruelty in todays world but it is social survivalism rather than a hardening of the heart to acquire bare necessities. Those are two different things.

Because of this, I think peoples cruelty in todays world is worse than it was when it was a survival mechanism. People don't need to be cruel to eachother in todays world yet they are. This is a very interesting phenomenon.

Being cruel to one another because they are cruel to you is a perpetuation of the abuse cycle that you hate. You therefore become implicit in perpetuating this cycle and you really don't have any excuses for it. There is a difference in protecting yourself against abusers through setting hard boundaries where if that person crosses it, you defend yourself and put them in their place - and being just as cruel as they are.

Though that is a tricky situation. You are walking a fine line between letting others walk all over you because they are evil and abusive, and giving them an excuse to be more abusive because you fought back. A very tricky situation indeed. I don't really have a definitive answer on how to do this properly though I have some ideas.

You must understand that the vast majority of people in the world can and will look for a way to manipulate you in some way if you come across as aloof, genuinely kind, thoughtful and considerate. Though that doesn't mean everyone will be like this. Not everyone is an abuser though, as I said, I think most people actually are. Which is a frightening thought.

If most people are out for blood, so to speak, then you must understand that acting in a genuinely kind and considerate manner consistently will get you 'noticed'.
The most horrifying thing I have learned in my life so far, is that the façade that most people put on is a maze of trying to protect themselves because they are damaged and sad in their hearts from abuse, but also trying to manipulate and abuse others because everyone else does. That is the crux of the situation that I don't think people give much thought to. Everyone is playing a game where they are simultaneously trying NOT to become the victim of abuse because it hurts so much, but then also becoming predatory on others who have become 'noticed' as not playing this game effectively or at all.

This situation is really getting out of control in western countries now I think. Especially in America, Canada and the UK. These three countries are big victims of predatory capitalism which has convinced its population that they must give into their nature of being vicious abusers in order to get anywhere in life. Which is where the saying 'This world is cruel so you must be cruel' comes from. Are you starting to see the picture now?

It is true that in this current system, perpetuation of abuse is the way you get anywhere in life. People like Andrew Tate are victims of this terrible mindset and are infecting young men with it too. For all his talk of 'escaping the matrix' he has done a great job at perpetuating predatory capitalism. Ironic right?

Though I think the situation goes much, much deeper than predatory capitalism. Predatory capitalism is a symptom of a disease that seems to be inherent in much of mankind. Something that I have been an observer of, and rarely a participator in.

Inherent Evil & Inherent Kindness

There seems to be a binary system when it comes to what sort of person you really are. Are you inherently evil or inherently good?
Some people will come out with that old nonsense about 'muh what is evil muh morals are subjective' crap. Nobody likes being taken advantage of no matter where you are on this planet. If morals were subjective then the methods of manipulation and abuse that we see all across the world would be different for each race, different for each ethnic group within races. But it is not. It is the exact same all over the world and the same methods crush and destroy good people all over the world every single day. Morals are not subjective they are an objective fact. There is real evil but there is also real good.

Everyone in the world can recognise real kindness, empathy and selflessness when they see it. If a man is too drunk to walk, someone helping that person get home safely is automatically viewed as an act of kindness and empathy no matter where you are in the world. The ONLY way, that could be looked at as manipulative is if someone observing that act of kindness had a kneejerk reaction because they were a victim of? You guessed it. Manipulation and abuse within the confines of a similar act.

Its the same thing over and over again. I hope you are starting to see the running theme here now. People are either inherently good or inherently evil. There is no 'grey man' that is oftentimes brought up during discussions of morality. You cannot be evil and good at the same time, if you are inherently good but do an evil act then you are a good person who has acted in an evil way. Perhaps it was a lapse of judgement? Or maybe, just maybe, you are no longer a good person...

Selflessness Is Actually Selfish? No way José!

This is a shorter one but I wish to address this moral retardation. There is an idea that selflessness is actually selfish because you are doing it to feel good about yourself. That is only the case if you are doing selfless acts to feel good about yourself. It is all a matter of perspective and understanding the reasons why you might be doing good things. If you do good things because you want to feel that you are a righteous individual and so awesome then you are not doing it because you genuinely care and want to help the world heal from abuse and manipulation. You are doing it to gratify your own ego which is not true selflessness. True selflessness is achievable and anyone who tells you otherwise is mired in a mental hell believing that nobody can be truly good due to some crazed nut philosopher 100 years ago saying so in a book he burned when he went insane and threw all his work into his fireplace because he was insane. Don't be listening to that horseshit.

Easy. Now onto the next point.

Social Survivalism & Politics
I mentioned this in the first part but I glossed over it. I want to talk about this aspect of manipulation and evil a little bit more using some anecdotes I had happen fairly recently IRL.
Everyone wants to be accepted and loved. Being accepted at large is achievable, being loved at large is not gonna happen. Only a very small amount of people in your life will love you and genuinely care about your wellbeing. The amygdala is the part of the brain that is concerned with social survivability, not the frontal lobe. The amygdala uses the frontal lobe as an effective tool to achieve social survivability but the frontal lobe is beholden to its master. Being an outcast or a pariah hurts human beings because we are social. We were made to love one another and be accepted by one another. In todays world, this has been thoroughly taken advantage of and twisted into a monster of conformity.

Conformity isn't always a bad thing though and I don't want this part of the thread to come across as if I view all social conformity as some sort of disease and I am oh-so high iq for being a non-conformist. I'm not a 15 year old.

But conformity these days requires you to shut off all independent thought if your thought process does not directly tie in the social 'rules'. This goes both ways though not merely some Marxist narrative. Within the right wing, there are certain things that you aren't allowed to speak about. You aren't allowed to really talk about the predatory nature of capitalism without being branded as a communist or a marxist in some respect. At least for circles that are still speaking about politics within the confines of what is acceptable. Of course a National Socialist would agree capitalism is predatory, but I don't see that view becoming mainstream, do you?

I recently had a discussion with two politically active friends of mine, both left of centre, who mentioned to me that non-participation in politics is unacceptable and that they would rather someone was a right wing conservative than a non-participator. I thought this was a very interesting view to have as it had confirmed an idea of mine that I had been thinking about for some time but didn't really know if it was true or not. It really does seem as if politics has become something that you MUST participate in otherwise you are 'complicit when bad things happen'. I had one friend who mentioned that without participation in social change, we wouldn't have had the standards of living that we have now compared to say, 100 years ago.

I don't disagree with him on that. But what he fails to realise is that in order to have a stable society in which you can exploit your working class, they must be comfortable. Social unrest is the worst thing a predatory society can possibly deal with because it means people are less likely to put up with bullshit. If you have a society that is comfortable sitting watching television, eating shit food and browsing the internet, then you get a complicit working class. How ironic...

Though that isn't to say these things make you happy, clearly it makes people absolutely miserable which is why people like Andrew Tate are popularised. They are a pressure release valve like most of these e-celebs who say things people aren't allowed to. The situation is so much deeper than my friend realises and I couldn't find the way in which to break it down to him without sounding patronising as well as revealing that I view politics as a massive scam - a completely unacceptable view in todays world.

In order to now survive socially, you MUST take a political stance within the confines of the current system. Even something as radical as a Leninist is still within the confines of this social order. Believing that politics is a scam because people are (for the most part) inherently selfish and evil is an unacceptable view because it outs you as a pariah as I said before. Everything that does not conform to a socially acceptable narrative (even so-called radical views) outs you as a freak of nature, an independent node, an abnormal person. Abnormality of the mind is the least socially acceptable thing that could ever happen to you.

The human species is linked through the mind. The mind is a node that connects up to a larger framework, a web-like invisible structure often called the Noosphere (pronounced: noo-oh-sphere), and if you deviate from that too much you get cut off and viewed in a hostile manner.


People will shout at you for not caring about what they care about because they are:

Number 1: Frightened for you if they care about you. They don't want you to become separated from the linking web of minds.
Number 2: Frightened of you because your mind is so radically different to others that they cannot process how you are thinking.

Alienation is an interesting word to describe it because yes, you get viewed in the same way as an alien from outer space would. So radically different in thought that you are no longer considered human. This is also where the abuse and evil comes into it, if someone no longer views you as fully human (subconsciously of course) then you are an? Invader. And must therefore be bullied and destroyed for not being like they are.


Conclusion

I have no real conclusion to make because the thread is the conclusion really. If you read all of it then you will understand the POV I am trying to describe. It's a weird wacky world out there and don't let anyone abuse you needlessly. As an aside, I have another thread in the works that I will be making about something related to this but a little bit different. Stay tuned and God bless.
water for me but a solid thread also thread made me get lobotomy may act stoopid 🥴
 
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water for me but a solid thread also thread made me get lobotomy may act stoopid 🥴
Oh yeah the topic is water-tier but it's worth talking about and the depth of what's happening doesn't really get the attention it deserves honestly. People just say "people are evil" without really going into it which I think is a shame if we really wish to change things in our own little way. Knowmsayin?
 
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Oh yeah the topic is water-tier but it's worth talking about and the depth of what's happening doesn't really get the attention it deserves honestly. People just say "people are evil" without really going into it which I think is a shame if we really wish to change things in our own little way. Knowmsayin?
ppl are not evil how am i supposed to stay nice and friendly when its a dog eat dog world out there
 
ppl are not evil how am i supposed to stay nice and friendly when its a dog eat dog world out there
Non-participation is the only way to deal with it. It is a tried and tested method that 'abuse victims' talk about.

I think its called stone-walling or smething like that. You essentially become a brick wall whenever someone is being abusive and it stops because they dont get a reaction out of you
 
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TLDR Detailed AI generated summary of this thread

The writer is discussing the idea that in order to succeed in today's society, one must become as cruel as those who would do them harm. They disagree with this belief system and argue that while cruelty may have been necessary in the past, it is no longer the case in today's world. Instead, they argue that people's cruelty today comes from a place of one-upmanship, where individuals act cruelly towards others in order to gain an advantage or to assert dominance. The writer asserts that this type of cruelty is worse than it was when it was a survival mechanism in the past.

The writer also discusses the idea that most people in the world try to manipulate and abuse others. They argue that this is a frightening thought and that it is a result of people trying to protect themselves from abuse and manipulation, but also becoming predatory towards others who are not effectively playing the same game.

The writer suggests that this situation is getting worse in Western countries, specifically in America, Canada, and the UK, due to the influence of predatory capitalism. Predatory capitalism is a term that describes a form of capitalism where businesses and individuals use unethical or illegal means to gain an advantage over others, often at the expense of the general population. The writer argues that predatory capitalism is convincing the population of these countries that they must give into their nature of being vicious abusers in order to get ahead in life.

Overall, the writer is discussing the negative aspects of societal pressure to act cruelly towards others in order to succeed, and the impact of predatory capitalism on the moral fabric of society in Western countries. They argue that this is a concerning phenomenon and that it is important to be aware of it in order to make positive changes.
 
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Non-participation is the only way to deal with it. It is a tried and tested method that 'abuse victims' talk about.

I think its called stone-walling or smething like that. You essentially become a brick wall whenever someone is being abusive and it stops because they dont get a reaction out of you
idgaf. im not gonna think this negative shit. bumpin this while workin rn:
 
TLDR Detailed AI generated summary of this thread

The writer is discussing the idea that in order to succeed in today's society, one must become as cruel as those who would do them harm. They disagree with this belief system and argue that while cruelty may have been necessary in the past, it is no longer the case in today's world. Instead, they argue that people's cruelty today comes from a place of one-upmanship, where individuals act cruelly towards others in order to gain an advantage or to assert dominance. The writer asserts that this type of cruelty is worse than it was when it was a survival mechanism in the past.

The writer also discusses the idea that most people in the world try to manipulate and abuse others. They argue that this is a frightening thought and that it is a result of people trying to protect themselves from abuse and manipulation, but also becoming predatory towards others who are not effectively playing the same game.

The writer suggests that this situation is getting worse in Western countries, specifically in America, Canada, and the UK, due to the influence of predatory capitalism. Predatory capitalism is a term that describes a form of capitalism where businesses and individuals use unethical or illegal means to gain an advantage over others, often at the expense of the general population. The writer argues that predatory capitalism is convincing the population of these countries that they must give into their nature of being vicious abusers in order to get ahead in life.

Overall, the writer is discussing the negative aspects of societal pressure to act cruelly towards others in order to succeed, and the impact of predatory capitalism on the moral fabric of society in Western countries. They argue that this is a concerning phenomenon and that it is important to be aware of it in order to make positive changes.
sums up my thread rather well. Are you using GPT-4?
 
The world is full of cruel, backstabbing people who will not hesitate to tear your limbs apart like some maniacal vultures, and all you have to do is let your guard down or be absent for one day so they reveal their true nature.
 
Dnrd fuck you bitch
 
How can a man be more based? Oh, well... if you stopped coping with religion.

I knew all this stuff tho. Not gonna lie. The question remains: What should one do?
 

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