Masteron vs halo for dimo

[burntboats]

looking for some dimo right now and stanolone is virtually impossible to source here in canada, at least as far as my research went, as nobody has it in their catalogue. Would mast or halo provide the same degree of dimo facial bone wise/ shoulder broadness as dht? im also looking to run these compounds without a base to avoid local aromatization at gps

 

[India lover 52]

hmm a compound with an androgenic rating of 25 or one of the most liver toxic compounds you can't run for more than a few weeks

DHT derrivs only provide any androgenic activity by binding to SHBG and freeing up more DHT and free test in your system

if you want andrognecitiy then high test or tren are the only ways to go if your worried about muhhh plates or whatever take letrozole which pretty much turns off your estrogen or use tren + trt

obviously pure dht would work too but you have to run hundreds of mgs to saturate 3α-HSD and allow the dht to bind to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle plus its expensive as fuck

 

[burntboats]

hmm a compound with an androgenic rating of 25 or one of the most liver toxic compounds you can't run for more than a few weeks

DHT derrivs only provide any androgenic activity by binding to SHBG and freeing up more DHT and free test in your system

if you want andrognecitiy then high test or tren are the only ways to go if your worried about muhhh plates or whatever take letrozole which pretty much turns off your estrogen or use tren + trt

obviously pure dht would work too but you have to run hundreds of mgs to saturate 3α-HSD and allow the dht to bind to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle plus its expensive as fuck

im surprised to hear people say that dht is expensive as from what I gathered it should be easy as hell to synthesize in a lab and you get like 80+ yield.
What about dht gel? I heard plenty of people say they got considerable facial bone gains from it.
From what I understand letrzole systemically lowers (or even shuts down as you said) estrogen conversion but doesn't stop local aromatization in growth plates, wouldn't that stunt growth? my only concern is dimo tbh (facial structure/frame/height) that's why im looking to avoid stuff like tren but also I heard a lot of people recommend against it

 

[India lover 52]

im surprised to hear people say that dht is expensive as from what I gathered it should be easy as hell to synthesize in a lab and you get like 80+ yield.
What about dht gel? I heard plenty of people say they got considerable facial bone gains from it.
From what I understand letrzole systemically lowers (or even shuts down as you said) estrogen conversion but doesn't stop local aromatization in growth plates, wouldn't that stunt growth? my only concern is dimo tbh (facial structure/frame/height) that's why im looking to avoid stuff like tren but also I heard a lot of people recommend against it

topical steroids have horrible blood level stability and exert mostly local effects instead of entering circulation

you read a troll post about someone trying to convince you to rub dht gel on your face, which would cause collagen loss and extreme acne


... what do you think local aromatization is? there are not many aromatase enzymes in your growth plates in the first place the majority are in subq fat tissue but using a fully unselective ai which nukes over 99% of aromatase enzymes in your body would nuke the AE's in your growth plates too... which is not really a good thing as you need estrogen for igf conversion and nuking it that hard with letrozole would be a net negative for bone growth/formation unless you were running grams of testosterone with it

tren or high test for dimo, tren upregulates igf 1 through multiple mechanisms so it is more potent for bone growth, it also has extreme nutrient partitioning effects and does not bloat you like testosterone, its a little bit worse for your brain than test what usually do is low tren + high test for some of the tren benefits but having the majority of the androgenic load come from testosterone but its up to you if the tradeoff is worth it

 

[aac21]

topical steroids have horrible blood level stability and exert mostly local effects instead of entering circulation

you read a troll post about someone trying to convince you to rub dht gel on your face, which would cause collagen loss and extreme acne


... what do you think local aromatization is? there are not many aromatase enzymes in your growth plates in the first place the majority are in subq fat tissue but using a fully unselective ai which nukes over 99% of aromatase enzymes in your body would nuke the AE's in your growth plates too... which is not really a good thing as you need estrogen for igf conversion and nuking it that hard with letrozole would be a net negative for bone growth/formation unless you were running grams of testosterone with it

tren or high test for dimo, tren upregulates igf 1 through multiple mechanisms so it is more potent for bone growth, it also has extreme nutrient partitioning effects and does not bloat you like testosterone, its a little bit worse for your brain than test what usually do is low tren + high test for some of the tren benefits but having the majority of the androgenic load come from testosterone but its up to you if the tradeoff is worth it

you have good takes and points but i will correct you on some things.

halo can be taken long term on low doses and with a proper anc protocol. doctors gave it to basically toddlers and overall they were healthy after stopping.

Estrogen is involved in the GH/IGF-1 axis, and estrogen can influence GH secretion and IGF-1 biology.

But “estrogen is required for IGF conversion” isn't a correct description of the physiology.

Under supraphysiological doses of GH, (15iu ed) your IGF-1 will push the upper threshold (750 - 1050) typically. Independent of estrogen.

And no do not take grams of testosterone in the growth phase. This will seal your plates shut before you know it. Extra substrate = quicker fusion regardless of any AI. I dont care if you are taking 100mg of letrozole. (You would just die before growing taller.)

And masteron is not ran solo for dimo, its paired with proviron to lower SHBG.

Tren is obviously on a different league and doesnt pair up with typical dimo cycles unless managed exceptionally, but its obviously at a cost. Neurotoxicity, mental instability, heart problems, and many more to list. Also have to throw the kitchen sink in for the ancs on tren.