Mathematics is the Ultimate Evaluation of Intelligence in School

[staton]

This may be water but I still think it's worth some discussion.
Math is a subject that's been established as one of the most important subjects. Many people have gripes with the subject, yet those who understand it tend to prosper across subjects.

Think about it, how many people have you seen that are only good at literary subjects? There's many, who then suck at math or other subjects, especially in STEM. But there's very few who are great at mathematics and then get shit grades across other subjects. This is because mathematics is the ultimate test of academic intelligence (which is the only relevant type of intelligence), and it combines many aspects of logic and problem solving, as well as memorization.

When solving problems, especially when they are varied, almost all aspects to intelligence that are tested in an IQ test are put to work, and that's why it is the most complete evaluation of intelligence. So, if you struggle with mathematics, it is more likely than not that you are as bright as you might think you are.


TLDR: It's fucking over for you if you're bad at math

 

[valentine]

it's for npcs

 

[ngannou]

the math you are studying in high school is only a little tiny easy part when compared to real math

 

[staton]

the math you are studying in high school is only a little tiny easy part when compared to real math

indeed, i am not saying that math before studying it as a career is difficult, i am just comparing it against other subjects as a measure of future academic success

 

[SomaliSub5]

math is fucking gay, do you think chad needs to be good at math to have success with women?

if not then math is useless in real life

 

[g-money]

it's for npcs

 

[g-money]

math is fucking gay, do you think chad needs to be good at math to have success with women?

if not then math is useless in real life

90% of school is useless, especially math and science

 

[staton]

90% of school is useless, especially math and science

it might be in of itself, but being skilled at it is what defines your academic and general intelligence, and rejecting this idea is pure cope

 

[Maruosa]

the math you are studying in high school is only a little tiny easy part when compared to real math

Good math is available in school time if the person participates in olympiads. In fact I think the majority of the mathematicians who win fields medal and similar prizes were kids who excelled at olympiads. In USA a good school/course for this is called Art of Problem Solving, anyone can study there, they also sell textbooks and have free online tools like Alcumus.

 

[Deleted member 302622]

I had problems with math but because i'm a lazyass and didn't care enough, you need iq but also patience, and i have the atención span lf a tiktok user

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

No mathematics for your face

 

[staton]

No mathematics for your face

i’d much rather be ugly and intelligent than ugly and retarded

 

[shandingo]

This may be water but I still think it's worth some discussion.
Math is a subject that's been established as one of the most important subjects. Many people have gripes with the subject, yet those who understand it tend to prosper across subjects.

Think about it, how many people have you seen that are only good at literary subjects? There's many, who then suck at math or other subjects, especially in STEM. But there's very few who are great at mathematics and then get shit grades across other subjects. This is because mathematics is the ultimate test of academic intelligence (which is the only relevant type of intelligence), and it combines many aspects of logic and problem solving, as well as memorization.

When solving problems, especially when they are varied, almost all aspects to intelligence that are tested in an IQ test are put to work, and that's why it is the most complete evaluation of intelligence. So, if you struggle with mathematics, it is more likely than not that you are as bright as you might think you are.


TLDR: It's fucking over for you if you're bad at math

Partially true . Being good at Math and IQ correlate but just because you are better at math doesn't make you smarter than someone. Anyone can be good at Math at school , its just repeatedly doing questions and acknowledging when similar patterns show up , most problems are just algorithmic not requiring critical thinking, thus its just memorisation.

 

[hypernormie]

Technically vocabulary is the most g loaded part of IQ, then math, however I agree math ability is a strong indicator of intelligence, however it isn't a perfect indicator, especially not in school because school systems don't always do a great job of capturing or cultivating potential.

Its more like you have to be intelligent to be very good at math, especially as things get more complex and abstract but not being good at math isn't a guarantee of low intelligence as there are many smart people who do not care much for school. School selects primarily for compliance, not Intelligence.

Gifted underachievement refers to a significant discrepancy between a student’s demonstrated intellectual ability and their actual academic performance, where the gap is not due to a diagnosed learning disability and persists over time. This phenomenon is not uncommon among gifted students, particularly those who are profoundly gifted (scoring in the 99.9th percentile on IQ tests), and can manifest in various forms.

Key Characteristics and Types
Involuntary underachievers: Gifted students who lack access to appropriate educational opportunities due to underfunded or poorly resourced schools, often in low-income or minority communities.
Classic underachievers: Students who have given up on school, showing apathy, rebellion, or withdrawal, often starting in middle school.
Selective underperformers: Students who only exert effort in subjects they find interesting or taught by teachers they respect, avoiding other areas.
Underachievers under the radar: Exceptionally gifted students who appear to perform adequately (e.g., average to high average grades) but never reach their full potential, often due to lack of challenge or recognition.
Root Causes
Underachievement is driven by a complex mix of internal and external factors:

Internal: Perfectionism, fear of failure, low self-esteem, identity struggles, emotional intensity, and a lack of motivation when work feels irrelevant.
External: Boring or inflexible curricula, lack of intellectual peers, social isolation, peer pressure to "fit in," and unsupportive school environments.
Psychological: Gifted students may underperform intentionally to avoid the pressure of being “perfect” or to gain attention by being “first worst” rather than ignored in the middle.
Environmental: Inadequate acceleration, lack of gifted programming, or failure to meet the student’s specific academic and emotional needs.
Impact and Consequences
When gifted students underachieve, they risk developing anxiety, depression, poor self-concept, and a diminished sense of self-worth. The failure to develop resilience, risk-taking, and study skills can lead to difficulties later in college or careers, especially when faced with challenges they’ve never experienced.

Interventions and Support
Effective strategies focus on social-emotional development and holistic support:

Build trusting relationships with mentors, counselors, and teachers who understand giftedness.
Foster a growth mindset and teach resilience, self-compassion, and goal-setting.
Provide intellectually challenging and personalized learning that aligns with student interests.
Remove labels and biases that equate giftedness with automatic success.
Create equitable, flexible programming that values effort and progress over perfection.
As noted by researchers and advocates, underachievement is not a failure of the student but often a failure of the system. Early identification, appropriate educational placement, and emotional support are essential to help gifted students thrive and fulfill their potential

 

[Ondaverge]

This may be water but I still think it's worth some discussion.
Math is a subject that's been established as one of the most important subjects. Many people have gripes with the subject, yet those who understand it tend to prosper across subjects.

Think about it, how many people have you seen that are only good at literary subjects? There's many, who then suck at math or other subjects, especially in STEM. But there's very few who are great at mathematics and then get shit grades across other subjects. This is because mathematics is the ultimate test of academic intelligence (which is the only relevant type of intelligence), and it combines many aspects of logic and problem solving, as well as memorization.

When solving problems, especially when they are varied, almost all aspects to intelligence that are tested in an IQ test are put to work, and that's why it is the most complete evaluation of intelligence. So, if you struggle with mathematics, it is more likely than not that you are as bright as you might think you are.


TLDR: It's fucking over for you if you're bad at math

POV: You got an 85 in Advanced Functions and must narcy brag

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Math is broad. Creating new theory, algorithms or architectures in Machine learning leans heavily on IQ and creativuty, because you’re reasoning on multiple layers at once but a lot of a CS/ML work like the applied stuff in the real world using PyTorch, systems, optimization and most of EE math you can get good at with practice.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Math is broad. Creating new theory, algorithms or architectures in Machine learning leans heavily on IQ and creativuty, because you’re reasoning on multiple layers at once but a lot of a CS/ML work like the applied stuff in the real world using PyTorch, systems, optimization and most of EE math you can get good at with practice.

@imontheloose

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose

EE maths isnt hard. typical engineering slop. controls is just lots of expansion from laplace theory.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

EE maths isnt hard. typical engineering slop. controls is just lots of expansion from laplace theory.

I still dislike differential equations

 

[Deleted member 22511]

But there's very few who are great at mathematics and then get shit grades across other subjects.

I have known plenty such people

 

[imontheloose]

I still dislike differential equations

non-engineering trait. cope. i really enjoyed them lmfao, well not partials much its all approx slop. i was always really into the actual maths of ee, always asking 4 proofs and so on if not provided. i wanted to do a pure maths degree but my dad had convinced me otherwise.

"enough practice" in ee maths will only work if u have an exam thats literally based on word for word the sort of questions u do in ur tutorials. if they make it any less abstracted, ur done. thats y i always loved really understanding the core of it all. i felt comfortable for whatever q theyd throw at me.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

non-engineering trait. cope. i really enjoyed them lmfao, well not partials much its all approx slop. i was always really into the actual maths of ee, always asking 4 proofs and so on if not provided. i wanted to do a pure maths degree but my dad had convinced me otherwise.

"enough practice" in ee maths will only work if u have an exam thats literally based on word for word the sort of questions u do in ur tutorials. if they make it any less abstracted, ur done. thats y i always loved really understanding the core of it all. i felt comfortable for whatever q theyd throw at me.

Forming the equations itself is fine but solving it is a pain in the ass. By enough practice I don't mean pattern recognition tho. I mean practice that builds intuition. Like if you solve enough leetcode questions you will get good at it and start picking it up on your own.

 

[Doesitmatter?]

99/100 in 10th boards

 

[imontheloose]

Forming the equations itself is fine but solving it is a pain in the ass. By enough practice I don't mean pattern recognition tho. I mean practice that builds intuition. Like if you solve enough leetcode questions you will get good at it and start picking it up on your own.

depends wat ur system is. real systems r all partial so theyre horrific, understandably.

practice that builds intuition is a long process. need to start from basics n work ur way up. small misunderstandings in earlier principles will scale up in tougher modules. i think its quite hard to build ur own intuition for maths past a certain age, honestly. a lot of the maths intuition u get is born-with from natural learning tendencies.

plenty in my cohort were just ass at maths no matter what they did lol. even very basic concepts (for an engineer). it sometimes never clicks for some.