maxilla

[GymcellingForLife]

Nah I’m def higher than ltn. So I’m taller and more attractive than you and I get nothing while you get something? Life is truly not fair. Looks are everything might just be a cope and luck might be a. Important factor

looks are not a cope but sitting here complaining instead of going ham on approaching and just trying is cope

 

[ju3iorr]

Yea I am dude, why don’t you chin tuck and post a selfie, I bet you’ll go from LTN to subhuman

Dm instagram and I’ll send u what I look like

 

[soggra]

bro MTN rated on this site especially 6'0 should get girls

I downloaded tinder and got 0 results

 

[GymcellingForLife]

I downloaded tinder and got 0 results

ahaha mtn 0 result? i get 5-10 likes a day easily mostly 1 match a day as low mtn

 

[GymcellingForLife]

I downloaded tinder and got 0 results

im also interested in what our comparison is. dm me here or insta we can check

 

[soggra]

ahaha mtn 0 result? i get 5-10 likes a day easily mostly 1 match a day as low mtn

I got 4 likes and 0 matches within a weeek of installing it. I also included my height in my bio

 

[GymcellingForLife]

I got 4 likes and 0 matches within a weeek of installing it. I also included my height in my bio

maybe shit pictures girls may like uglier but more NT pictures

 

[soggra]

maybe shit pictures girls may like uglier but more NT pictures

my pictures were ND I think. I’ll still show you my results though

 

[ju3iorr]

my pictures were ND I think. I’ll still show you my results though

Old frauded pic

 

[soggra]

Old frauded pic

Brutal. Your LTN for sure. So you slay at LTN? How do you even slay? Do you approach girls or go on dating apps or what

 

[GymcellingForLife]

Brutal. Your LTN for sure. So you slay at LTN? How do you even slay? Do you approach girls or go on dating apps or what

dating apps are always butal even Chad wont get as much an MTB but approaching often and social circle maxxing is best for ltn-mtn

 

[soggra]

dating apps are always butal even Chad wont get as much an MTB but approaching often and social circle maxxing is best for ltn-mtn

Yeah that’s the problem. I have zero social circle and I’m too high inhib to approach

 

[ju3iorr]

Brutal. Your LTN for sure. So you slay at LTN? How do you even slay? Do you approach girls or go on dating apps or what

Why’d you add the brutal you aren’t mtn ever

 

[ju3iorr]

Brutal. Your LTN for sure. So you slay at LTN? How do you even slay? Do you approach girls or go on dating apps or what

I get approached btw, I’ve never had to approach, never have. I get looked at in public and have never used apps

 

[soggra]

I get approached btw, I’ve never had to approach, never have. I get looked at in public and have never used apps

Do you by chance happen to live in a place where the average is subhuman?

 

[ju3iorr]

Yeah that’s the problem. I have zero social circle and I’m too high inhib to approach

Send photo I have people around me to ask who looks better

 

[ju3iorr]

Do you by chance happen to live in a place where the average is subhuman?

Nigga you’re sub; who gave you this confidence, you’re super unappealing

 

[ju3iorr]

Mb I’m being mean, but naw average place where I live

Do you by chance happen to live in a place where the average is subhuman?

 

[soggra]

Nigga you’re sub; who gave you this confidence, you’re super unappealing

Dude I went on a JB dating app and I had girls calling me cute. I’m definitely not super unappealing. Although I did go on tinder and got 0 matches

 

[soggra]

Nigga you’re sub; who gave you this confidence, you’re super unappealing

Of course it’s the ones who look worse than me who want to talk shit

 

[ju3iorr]

Of course it’s the ones who look worse than me who want to talk shit

maybe im seriously coping but you’re not better looking than me bro. Im sorry. I don’t even think you’d be called a 10/10 on wizz jfl

 

[soggra]

maybe im seriously coping but you’re not better looking than me bro. Im sorry. I don’t even think you’d be called a 10/10 on wizz jfl

I mean it’s hard to tell for sure because you didn’t even show your eyes

 

[Snicket]

it isn't a fact if it's been disproved multiple times. in persson and thailander it states "marked degree of closure was rarely found until the third decade of life... palatal suture closure in man from 15 to 35 years of age."


he isn't but the treatment would work

Just because a suture remains open doesn’t mean the bone is still highly malleable up to the point of closure.
The sutures will start to seal at around 11-12, making the bone far less malleable.

I checked out the paper.
However, your own source caveats that point saying:

"Great variations exist among individuals with regard to the start of the closure as well as the advance with age"

The experiment was an autopsy of 24 people and is NOT definitive.

Regardless, you're just talking about the palate.

I'm talking about the maxilla as a whole.

Most of the maxilla's sutures seal around the ages of 16.


Even if the sutures don't technically seal, it's far harder to effect change once growth has already taken place and the sutures have begun closing.

The vast majority of maxillary growth takes place before the age 10 and maturation is reached in males around the age of 16:

Sources:

Craniofacial Growth and Development: A Primer for the Facial Trauma Surgeon​

Maxilla - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

The 27 Facial Sutures: Timing and Clinical Consequences of Closure - PMC

Facial sutures contribute significantly to postnatal facial development, but their potential role in craniofacial pathology is understudied. Since interest in their development and physiology peaked in the mid-20th century, facial sutures have not ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ju3iorr]

I mean it’s hard to tell for sure because you didn’t even show your eyes

Eyes are most important or up there but even without determining how bad or good my eyes are my features just look way better together on my skull. Yes the photo is frauded with the lighting showing over exaggerated prominence of the bones

 

[soggra]

Eyes are most important or up there but even without determining how bad or good my eyes are my features just look way better together on my skull. Yes the photo is frauded with the lighting showing over exaggerated prominence of the bones

Not really bro your eyebrows looks way too high set relaxed and your maxilla looks bad. Maybe your on the same level as me though

 

[stufftodo]

my teeth are already straight, i just mse and twin block appliance honestly

Just because a suture remains open doesn’t mean the bone is still highly malleable up to the point of closure.
The sutures will start to seal at around 11-12, making the bone far less malleable.

I checked out the paper.
However, your own source caveats that point saying:

"Great variations exist among individuals with regard to the start of the closure as well as the advance with age"

The experiment was an autopsy of 24 people and is NOT definitive.

Regardless, you're just talking about the palate.

I'm talking about the maxilla as a whole.

Most of the maxilla's sutures seal around the ages of 16.


Even if the sutures don't technically seal, it's far harder to effect change once growth has already taken place and the sutures have begun closing.

The vast majority of maxillary growth takes place before the age 10 and maturation is reached in males around the age of 16:

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Sources:

Craniofacial Growth and Development: A Primer for the Facial Trauma Surgeon​

Maxilla - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

The 27 Facial Sutures: Timing and Clinical Consequences of Closure - PMC

Facial sutures contribute significantly to postnatal facial development, but their potential role in craniofacial pathology is understudied. Since interest in their development and physiology peaked in the mid-20th century, facial sutures have not ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

i agree with your points.

but the fact that many studies post to the great variability of maxillary/palatal development, to me, is enough.

ancedotedly, i've had good experiences in similar expanders and maxillary growth over the age you've mentioned. admittedly i probably am an outlier.

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

i agree with your points.

but the fact that many studies post to the great variability of maxillary/palatal development, to me, is enough.

ancedotedly, i've had good experiences in similar expanders and maxillary growth over the age you've mentioned. admittedly i probably am an outlier.

so should i get a twin block appliance first or mse?

 

[stufftodo]

so should i get a twin block appliance first or mse?

exapdner, aligner, then headgear

which in your case would be mse, twin block, headgear

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

exapdner, aligner, then headgear

which in your case would be mse, twin block, headgear

if i get headgear, i would need braces no way to use it without braces, and i already had braces. also isn’t it better to use twin block before mse? because im 15 and mandibles growth at my age could stop any moment

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

How old are you? You have no wisdom teeths so its a bad thing for maxilla growth

 

[copercel123]

erm guys, is this a flat maxilla or a forwardly grown one. i keep hearing mixed opinions, some say it’s flat, while others say it’s properly grown. (btw im very bloated in these pictures)

It’s mid

 

[robert3]

its not flat its slightly recessed you can fix it still

 

[robert3]

do you know why i could have eyebags then? i have good infras

fat pad fucked
did it to myself before I knew retin-a is a fat dissolver
if your using retin-a keep it away from your eyes I recomend you stop using it completely though
you have to fix your maxilla now or you will never be able to
look up beltpulling how to hold proper posture and mew with a good bit of pressure, not a ton

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

How old are you? You have no wisdom teeths so its a bad thing for maxilla growth

i had only one wisdom tooth extracted, i have every other one

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

i asked if it’s flat or prominent not if it’s “mid”

 

[copercel123]

Idc what you asked that’s a dumb take tbh just beacuse you asked one of these doesn’t mean it’s only one of these two options jfl . So if I ask if my orbital are prominent or very prominent so they have to one of these two options?

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

Idc what you asked that’s a dumb take tbh just beacuse you asked one of these doesn’t mean it’s only one of these two options jfl . So if I ask if my orbital are prominent or very prominent so they have to one of these two options?

jfl, im not fucking retarded ik that even if my maxilla was recessed it would be at the slightest level. and if you go through this forum, it’s very inconsistent between flat maxilla and properly grown maxilla, so i can’t figure it out honestly. only if some rating chad was able to measure my maxilla angles to be able to tell me it’s grown properly

 

[copercel123]

jfl, im not fucking retarded ik that even if my maxilla was recessed it would be at the slightest level. and if you go through this forum, it’s very inconsistent between flat maxilla and properly grown maxilla, so i can’t figure it out honestly. only if some rating chad was able to measure my maxilla angles to be able to tell me it’s grown properly

You can measure it yourself jfl

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

You can measure it yourself jfl

if i do it then ill somehow be biased towards measuring into my favor, i dont wanna do that so thats why i need some other cels to do that

 

[copercel123]

if i do it then ill somehow be biased towards measuring into my favor, i dont wanna do that so thats why i need some other cels to do that

There’s a thread in the mega thread that’s showing how to measure look it up

 

[superpsycho]

looks decent

 

[superpsycho]

mogs me tbh

 

[coinbase]

do you know why i could have eyebags then? i have good infras

good forward growth just not wide enough thats why your zygos arent supporting your eyes therefore creating eyebags

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

good forward growth just not wide enough thats why your zygos arent supporting your eyes therefore creating eyebags

so mse?

 

[coinbase]

so mse?

yea

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

yea

should i get mse first, or twin block appliance (moves the mandible forward)

 

[appealisLAW]

Chronically online ramblings.

bp classic

 

[Steingrímu Björn]

good forward growth just not wide enough thats why your zygos arent supporting your eyes therefore creating eyebags

should i fraud by applying vollufiline or something? or should i get actual mse to also get a better fwhr