MEGAGUIDE | The Only Microneedling Guide you will Ever need.

[kazama]

Bruh I tried to read it but the formatting is too shit. But I see that he’s well informed so mirin the thread.

Fr, even with the brightness on high I'm having difficulty
@Seishin Read this collagencel

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

@copercel123 @jeff1234 @CEO @BonesmashFinalBoss
Idk if you guys have read this, but he put a lot of effort into it to be true tbh. Even if it's water, curse so it at least has some value

just read the Tl;Drs

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Fr, even with the brightness on high I'm having difficulty
@Seishin Read this collagencel

I might make an updated one in like november or something what would you change about the format?

 

[kazama]

I might make an updated one in like november or something what would you change about the format?

Idk tbh, after reading it I thought it was perfect. But new users didn't seem to be attracted to it Nj Bro this is extremely perfect, botb level @Gengar Pls read this

 

[kazama]

just read the Tl;Drs

Why dont u think its good to put it on ur lips?I would do it for that classic thing, more collagen size etc... Do u recommend something else (reliable)???
And do you recommend an appropriate age or something?? I've seen ppl say that it's better to do it only after 18. Idk why
@realshit And why did u say that hyaluronic acid causes bone loss, nigga?

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Why dont u think its good to put it on ur lips?I would do it for that classic thing, more collagen size etc... Do u recommend something else (reliable)???
And do you recommend an appropriate age or something?? I've seen ppl say that it's better to do it only after 18. Idk why
@realshit And why did u say that hyaluronic acid causes bone loss, nigga?

Because it isn't worth it. Have you ever applied moisturizer on your face and accidentally also put it on your lips? Everytime you eat, lick your licks, talk, you can taste a bit of that moisturizer and it's super annoying? Now imagine instead of tasting moisturizer it just stung and you felt pain. Everytime you eat, everytime you talk, everytime you lick your lips, everytime you drink..

What I'm saying is if there is one spot in the face that is the worst to have as a "if anything touches it, it hurts" it's the lips.
Also the lip skin is super sensitive. Ever been punched in the lip or punched someone in the lip and it burst? Like you literally degloved the skin of their/your lip? Your lip skin is much more sensitive than undereye skin, just avoid doing anything like that unless by a professional

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Idk tbh, after reading it I thought it was perfect. But new users didn't seem to be attracted to it Nj Bro this is extremely perfect, botb level @Gengar Pls read this

What is like the main issue because when I scroll through it I don't get what's so bad about the format. It's only bad if you skim through it but if you start from the beginning I feel like it's very easy to get used to

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

@realshit And why did u say that hyaluronic acid causes bone loss, nigga?

"Yes, hyaluronic acid (HA) fillers can, in some cases, lead to bone resorption (bone loss), particularly in the chin area. This phenomenon, known as HA-induced mental bone resorption, has been reported in a small percentage of patients, especially after large-volume injections. "

From google AI, seems like it's only for HA filler [face filler is like 2.5% HA} and not HA solution that you just coat on your face and use for microneedling so it's fine. Also "has been reported in a small percentage of patients" aka probably same chance your dick stops working from dutasteride

Essentially it only causes it if it touches the bone which the HA you apply on your face will never do, only filler ever would

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

And do you recommend an appropriate age or something?? I've seen ppl say that it's better to do it only after 18. Idk why

Maybe because alot of people get acne in puberty and if you have above mild acne microneedling can cause infections I've heard [tho if you have anything over mild acne and microneedle ur lowkey retarded]
Unless you're in that position I don't see why you couldn't do it even from age 13

 

[piec]

Beats Acne scars

no it doesnt stop making false claims on a topic you have no idea about using deceptive pictures

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

no it doesnt stop making false claims on a topic you have no idea about using deceptive pictures

"Using deceptive pictures" she had mild acne, used microneedling, and it fixed it
If you're the type to put microneedles on blister tier acne you're the retard here

 

[piec]

"Using deceptive pictures" she had mild acne, used microneedling, and it fixed it
If you're the type to put microneedles on blister tier acne you're the retard here

your lack of knowledge doesnt personally concern me. im lessening the chance of a third person falling for that

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

your lack of knowledge doesnt personally concern me. im lessening the chance of a third person falling for that

Maybe you''re right. I already dmed admin to edit it to say MILD in capital letters between "beats" and "acne"
Though I still believe if you microneedle blister tier acne and get an infection you're a retard

 

[renos]

dnr but bookmarked, looks bob worthy

 

[0ogrpostcel]

Why is this not in botb? I haven't seen any other thread on this topic.

 

[Seevor]

giga thread, read in baout 30 min including the HA subtgread. mirin brah. btw where from europe you fron

 

[dookielooksmaxxer]

i read like 5 words

could i use like taz + microneedling for my acne regimen

 

[ripikke]

@BonesmashFinalBoss thoughts on dermapen+GHK-cu peptide + tretinoin or tazarotene? For acne scars and anti aging.

Ghk-cu topically and Infected because I bought it and I'm planning to do both methods

 

[Deleted member 111512]

@BonesmashFinalBoss thoughts on dermapen+GHK-cu peptide + tretinoin or tazarotene? For acne scars and anti aging.

Ghk-cu topically and Infected because I bought it and I'm planning to do both methods

You're a day one btw

ask @copercel123 tbh

 

[ripikke]

You're a day one btw

ask @copercel123 tbh

I have bought microcurrent device and Dermapen.

I'm planning to fix my widow's peak with dermapen, tretinoin and natural oils for hair.

For acne scars: I'll go to laser, use tretinoin and sunscreen SPF 50 (mineral), and also maybe microneedling with PRP.

Ghk-cu and maybe bpc 157.

Tretinoin 3 times a week and adding maybe even azelaic acid 20%

 

[jcree873]

Good thread, im 19 atm, is it worth doing this at that age?
Would it stimulate new collagen or just reduce the rate at which the collagen decreases with age?

Also, does it do anything for pore size?

 

[shibeed]

Good thread, im 19 atm, is it worth doing this at that age?
Would it stimulate new collagen or just reduce the rate at which the collagen decreases with age?

Also, does it do anything for pore size?

yes

 

[shibeed]

good thread mirin will try to do tomorrow

 

[SexDefender]

@BootySniffer69

 

[raireek]

If you cannot be bothered reading this guide, I highly recommend bookmarking or screenshotting it for a later read.
Because If you do read this entire guide, and apply what you've learnt
You will be one step closer to the porcelain skinned version of yourself you imagine in the mirror
More so than you will be reading any other guide on this site.

Spoiler: THREAD SONG

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Spoiler: Info for reader

This guide will have All the information on Microneedling you could ever need.
After reading this guide in full, you should be as knowledgeable as someone who has been Microneedling for 6 months, knows what it is, what it does, what it's for, how it works, the benefits, the side effects, the products it works well with, the myths, the lies, and everything in between without ever even touching a micro needle cartridge.
This is a very under-appreciated method which I would honestly say is better than Accutane.
(and yes you can do it at home)
5 years of Accutane vs 5 years of Microneedling from 20-25.
Microneedling clears. For Acne control the Accutane will be better, but for skin texture, anti aging, and collagen stimulation Microneedling clears. If you do the methods I describe here in this guide, aswell as use Accutane, and don't fuck up your skin with incel diet, after 12 months you will be the kid with the best skin in your school, you will be the passenger with the best skin at the airport, you will be the pedestrian with the best skin in the town centre, and you'll be the person with the best skin in her dms.

I used to know nothing about Microneedling a year ago. When I saw those insane before and after pics of those Indian grandmas losing half their wrinkles, I thought Microneedling was some Indian folk method where they get alot of needles and stab it into the skin or some shit. Yes, I thought it was a type of acupuncture
If you are reading this you most likely know at-least what Microneedling IS which should give you confidence since even though the length of this guide is quite long, you don't need know have any prior knowledge and I will assume you knew just as much as I did, which is nothing.

Spoiler: IMPORTANT Info

The info I put in my guides is ALWAYS out there. As goes for EVERY other guide on this site. What my guide does is save you hours of research and experience and puts all the information you would have learned into a 5-10 minute read [20 if you do a bit of research and ChatGPTing whilst reading]
Never trust anyone if they are telling you they are giving you secrets, whether in a looksmaxxing influencer's course or .org guide.
The only secrets that ever get revealed are the ones that come from REAL studies.
They are either saving you time or money you would've put into trying out ways to look better, or they are selling you complete snake oil and
SCAMMING you.
Whilst reading any looksmaxxing guide, the thought that should always be on your mind is "are actual models doing this?"
Or is it only autistic teens in their room on .org?
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Spoiler: Mini-guide to this guide

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If you are reading this on computer, zoom out where the words fit like this since that is how my computer is, and that is how I formatted it based on.
Not a necessity just don't want to limit any reader's experience.
READ THIS GUIDE IN DARK MODE!!!!!

Spoiler: Quick info on the Tl;Dr's

I WILL PROVIDE A Tl;Dr [too long; didn't read.] AT THE END OF EVERY SECTION.
IF YOU WANT THE MOST IN-DEPTH CONTENT JUST COMPLETELY SKIP THE Tl;Dr's.
IF YOU DO READ ONLY THE Tl;Dr SECTIONS, THAT IS FINE, I ADDED THEM THERE FOR A REASON, BUT PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER COMMENTING TO SAVE ME FROM THE RETARDATION.
[unless it's praise ofc]
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First, the Results:
[Keep in mind, this is only after 3-5 months, with the last being 8. Imagine doing this for a year, or even 2, or even 5.]

Beats Wrinkles
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Beats Acne scars
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Beats Mild Acne
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Beats Hyperpigmentation
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Beats Skin damage from Makeup
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The last girl here is a skincare channel and is about 35, and has been doing skincare for over 10 years. Yet still had such a good skin transformation from Microneedling
The reason why women who use skincare have worse skin than you might expect is because the makeup they wear everyday is bad for their skin. Which essentially makes them look like someone who doesn't do skincare at all. Even with that, Microneedling made them look like someone who HAS been doing skincare for 10 years.

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Spoiler: Contents

What even is Microneedling?
Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen
How do I actually Microneedle?
How do I Microneedle my Scalp?
What Dermapen to Buy?
Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
Bonus Content
Dermaroller.
Dermastamp

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What even is Microneedling?:
Microneedling is when you rapidly stab your face with metal needles usually using an electric powdered device to look better.
Jokes aside, Microneedling is when you use either a Dermaroller [dermacoper], Microneedling pen or a Dermastamp to essentially make micro-punctured in your skin. This is for 2 main reasons.
1: It triggers your body's natural healing response, making your body produce and send Collagen and Elastin to the surface of your skin [making your skin look much more youthful and firmer (less wrinkly/saggy)].
2: It allows products that otherwise have a hard time penetrating the skin [such as Hyaluronic acid] to bypass the outerlayers of the skin
It also is great for increasing hair thickness in an area [good for norwooding men] but I'll talk about that later
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The model in this picture is wearing makeup and her skin is clear, in reality it'd be red. Not an issue having microneedles rapidly stab your skin because you should use numbing cream before, which is easy peasy and cheap, trust.
For the redness, yes during and after you will have red skin, only for a day, MAX 2. This is easily fixable by just doing it on the weekends when you're at home and nobody will see you except family.
But is it actually all that good?
Yes. Compared to Topical Retinol and Accutane, Microneedling mogs when it comes to increasing derma-collagen levels.
To explain this quickly for the current and future Retinoid readers reading this

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Microneedling = stab skin with microneedles to create micropunctures to trigger ur body's healing response. Good for increasing collagen + good for letting topical solutions that no bypass top layer of skin to yes bypass top layer of skin

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Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen:
[You don't have to read this section, it's only important if you know quite a bit about retinoids (accutane/retinol) already, are using retinoids, or plan to use them in the future.]
[Just read the Tl;Dr if this doesn't apply to you]
This study I am about to show you will shock you, will blow your fucking mind.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/15/9055

The study reported a 400% increase in collagen and elastin production after 6 months of treatment.
I thought it was BS too. Now obviously that 400% increase does not mean that a 60 year old who's collagen production is only at 20%, if he starts microneedling, his collagen will go back to 100% [look at graph in the next spoiler] and he will look like a 15 year old or something. Because this only applies to derma-collagen, the collagen in the rest of your body, blood, tendons, hair, nails, the skin that's not your face matters more to your skin's youthfulness than just the collagen that's directly on your skin.
Though what this does say for certain, is apart from maybe direct collagen injections or PRP, which are both procedures I doubt 5% of the people reading would ever get [because most people here are dreamers] Microneedling is the best way to increase collagen in your skin. More than RETINOL, more than ACCUTANE, more thsn COLLAGEN CREAM/SUPPLEMENTS.
The only thing that can shine a light to Microneedling when it comes to increasing collagen, except collagen injections and PRP which I write about here, is being younger in age
Btw, for the retards. This does not mean Microneedling is useless if you are planning on doing PRP or collagen injections, what it does mean is if you do all 3, you will look 30 at 45.

Spoiler: Quick summary on Collagen for those who don't know

Collagen = main building block [like 30%] of human body
Collagen = skin, hair, nails, bones, cartillage, tendons = all collagen
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Collagen production = go down significantly as you age starting from birth and rapidly accelerating once you're 30
At 20: you start losing 1% collagen production per year
At 25: you start losing 1.5% collagen production per year
This collagen production decrease is the main reason you start looking older and more wrinklier and less youthful as time goes on. This + natural hyaluronic acid production goes down + elastin production goes down + DHT goes up = Agepill hits hard
There is no way to stop this production from going down, it's encoded in our genetics too deep.
You WILL start growing wrinkles. Best thing to do is to just accept it
Only thing you can do is to slow it down as much as you can, and to increase your skin's natural collagen as much as possible. Retinoids and Microneedling really helps
[aswell as PRP Treatment and Collagen injections though that's for another guide]

Spoiler: Collagen types summary to refer back to

The 28 types of Collagen
There are 28 types of collagen. For this guide we only care about 5 [we don't really care about collagen 6] of them. Don't worry, I'm not going to go super in depth, and I don't expect you to remember even 3 of them, just refer back to this whilst reading:
Collagen type 1 - MOST IMPORTANT [in skin aesthetics]
For Skin strength and structure [We care about this one]

Collagen type 2 - NOT IMPORTANT
For Cartilage [We don't care about this one]

Collagen type 3 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For Skin healing and elasticity [We care] [Skin healing for acne scars, elasticity for looking more youthful]

Collagen type 4 - - Moderate Importance
Does not really act in the structure of skin, only helps skin aesthetics indirectly [We don't really care]

Collagen type 5 - - Low-Moderate Importance
For regulating Type 1 fibers [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 6 - - Low Importance
For acting as a scaffolding for the skin [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 7 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For anchoring skin layers [prevents sagging], [We care]

I say [in skin aesthetics] because there will be that retard which says "ermm actually there is no most important type of collagen, you would die without alot of them"

[We will completely be ignoring collagen type 2 in this guide and act like it does not exist]
Microneedling stimulates all types of collagen from 1-7, Retinol does the same except for type 6, and Accutane just gets mogged by both since it only stimulates type 1, 3 and 5, and even then it's stimulation is very limited. It only stimulates type 1 to a moderate degree which doesn't matter since both Retinol and Microneedling strongly stimulate type 1 collagen so it get's mogged at the only thing it's good at when it comes to derma-collagen. So topical Retinol is the main contender against Microneedling when it comes to stimulating derma-collagen, therefore we will compare them both.

Spoiler: Comparing Microneedling and Retinol when it comes to stimulating the production of different collagen types

Spoiler: Tl;Dr for the collagen types comparisons

[REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY REGARDING DERMA-COLLAGEN]

Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

COLLAGEN TYPE 1:
Microneedling mogs Retinol in Collagen type 1 stimulation, though Retinol still strongly stimulates type 1 in the skin, just not to the degree of Microneedling. As you probably know, plastic surgery was invented to treat disfigured veterans after WWI. 95% of beauty products/methods are just repurposed medical products/methods. The medicine side of biology discovers a new molecule/surgery method/some protein or peptide or whatever, and the beauty industry looks at it and says "oo I can use that", which is where Microneedling comes from. Microneedling was first used [and still is] to treat wounds and scars, and skin conditions like Epidermolysis Bullosa. And through studies on those types of wounds and on Microneedling we know that Microneedle Induces deeper fibroblast activity and remodeling via wound healing to such a degree that I don't think a topical or ingestable product will ever be in the market that will stimulate collagen 1 more than Microneedling does.

For Collagen 1, Microneedling mogs to gandy, though you guys shouldn't underestimate Retinol's ability to stimulate it aswell.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- "Compared to the baseline, collagen types I, III, and VII, as well as newly synthesized collagen... showed a statistically significant increase (P < 0.05) in response to treatment.
https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/full...s_evaluation_of_microneedling_therapy.80.aspx [though this one's done on animals]
Retinol: https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9284/3/4/35
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type I collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 3:
Microneedling again, mogs Retinol here. Microneedling stimulates collagen type 3 almost as much as it does type 1, poor Retinol's ability to stimulate collagen 3 doesn't come as very close to it's ability to stimulate collagen type 3. THOUGH THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T STIMULATE COLLAGEN 3 TO A MODERATE DEGREE. Microneedling just has more of a consistent increase of collagen type 3 through dermal healing cascade, which has been proven through studies.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Same as the first study in collagen 1 + https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3921236/
- "New type III collagen fibers integrate into the existing skin matrix without any trace of fibrotic tissue."
Retinol: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2045685/
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type III collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 4:
Retinol mogs Microneedling in Collagen type 4 stimulation. Microneedling only mildly stimulates it though I don't believe that's an issue because it doesn't directly contribute to skin aesthetics and is nowhere near as important as type 1 or 7.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Could not find a specific one for Microneedling. Usually I would assume that means it doesn't boost it at all, though when 1 type of collagen in the skin is stimulates, type 4 will always be more stimulated aswell.
Retinol: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ics.12250
- Can't find a good quote from this since alot of it is big smart biology words that us looksmaxxers don't care about

COLLAGEN TYPE 5 & 6:
We don't really care about these 2 just know Microneedling is MUCH MUCH better than Retinol at increasing these 2 types of collagen.
COLLAGEN TYPE 7:
Now I do actually believe Retinol does increase this type of collagen because they are alot of studies that say "Retinol yadda yadda yadda.. increases type 7 collagen and blah blah blah" but there is no study which purpose is to show it increases type 4 collagen, nor is there a study that CITES a study that does this that I can quote.
What this means: Retinol definitley DOES increase type 7 collagen in my opinion, just from my biology knowledge and the studies I've eyeballed though whether it's significant or consistent I have no idea.
For Microneedling it does, studies have shown Microneedling regenerates type 7 collagen in damaged skin during healing, so for that I'm going to say Microneedling mogs Retinol in the collagen 7 stimulation department.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- I have cited this study before in this guide so no need to quote

Retinol: ?????

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Accutane is actually pretty mid and increasing derma-collagen, it's really goated for acne but when it comes to derma-collagen [the collagen in your skin], Retinol is actually better
Comparing Microneedling and Retinol, Microneedling is much better at increasing derma-collagen. Microneedling increases derma-collagen production by 400%
For the different collagen types:
Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

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How do I actually Microneedle?:
This section of the guide will be a polished reformatted version of this one. Reason I'm basically remastering it instead of just providing the link is because it's genuine eye cancer to look at and I don't want my readers to go blind.
Also there is quite a bit that the guide linked gets wrong like needing disinfrectant spray and the price of the pen and many more.

What you will need:
Face wipes - 20 wipes will be 2 euros so 0.10 euros per treatment
Microneedling pen - 55 euro
Numbing cream with Licodaine AND prilocaine [2.5% each] - Under a euro's worth per treatment [maybe 0.90 euros]
Microneedle cartridge - 0.4 euros per cartridge if you buy in bulk
[40 euro for 100 cartidges, though when you buy the dermapen you will recieve about 5 which should cover you for 5 months anyways]

Per treatment cost after initial buying of the dermapen - 1.4 euros only
Recommended additions:
Medical gloves [to stop bacteria from hands] - 0.10 euros per pair per treatment
Hyaluronic Acid [preferably from L'Oreal though that's my bias] - .50 per treatment

Per treatment cost if you don't cheap out and use recommended additions- 2.0 euros only

Keep in mind before you start, you should only microneedle every 28 days. Any more lessens results, any less will cause side effects.​

Step 1:
DO NOT DO THE TREATMENT IF IN THE LAST 8 HOURS YOU'VE USED ANY SKINCARE OR FACIAL PRODUCT
Wipe your face with the face wipes. Water is not enough, you must use them. To balance the pH of your skin, to remove bacteria, to avoid skin irritation, everything.

Step 2 [Optional]:
Wash your hands, dry them, put on the medical gloves.
The gloves are optional, washing your hands isn't. WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS TO AVOID SKIN IRRITATION

Step 3:
Apply the numbing cream to your face. If you think you're adding too little you probably are. MICRONEEDLING HURTS. Even during the first treatment when you've applied the numbing cream there will be some parts of the skin that will sting anyways, remember which parts so you can add more cream in those areas in the next treatments. Make sure every millimetre of your skin is lightly coated in the numbing cream.
WAIT 30 MINUTES FOR IT TO DRY AND ABSORB INTO YOUR SKIN BEFORE CONTINUING

Step 4:
If there is still any numbing cream left, remove it VERY GENTLY, as light as possible with face wipes, then again wait for your face to dry from the face wipes.
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution
Put a new cartridge into your dermapen, NEVER REUSE A CARTRIDGE, EVEN IF YOU CLEANSE IT. AFTER ONE USE THE NEEDLES WILL BE DULL. THEY'RE ONE USE ONLY.
Put your dermapen deepness at 1.5mm, and about 2 speed. You may differ from this as time goes on if you prefer, for example now adays I do it at 4 speed for face and 2 speed for nose, eyebrows and undereyes.

First the Forehead

Dark Purple lines: You will want to go down across from your entire Forehead like this
Hot Pink lines: Then across the entire forehead like this. Make sure every square centimetre has been microneedled
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DO THIS ONCE FOR PURPLE AND RED AREA DESCRIBED BELOW, DO THIS TWICE FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE EVERY SQUARE MILLIEMETRE OF YOUR FOREHEAD SHOULD BE MICRONEEDLED

Using this method of down then across, then down then across again. You will do this method to your entire face in this order:
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IN THIS ORDER:
The speed, deepness and order only applies to first and maybe second treatment. From then on you can change it suiting to what you prefer.
1ST AREA: HOT PINK
FOREHEAD
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

2ND AREA: DARK BLUE
LEFT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

3RD AREA: GREEN
BOTTOM OF FACE [not including lips, don't microneedle them at all]
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

4TH AREA: LIGHT BLUE
RIGHT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

5TH AREA: RED
EYEBROWS, UNDER EYES AND NOSE
0.5MM DEEPNESS, 1 SPEED.

If your skin ever bleeds during, do not worry, just quickly wipe it with face wipes.

Step 5:
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution again
Your skin will look Red/pinkish now. That's to be expected. It will stay like that for 1-2 days so preferably do it on Friday when weekend approaching. Trust me, it will be worth it.
Your treatment is now finished by this step.
DO NOT WASH YOUR FACE WITH WATER. DO NOT SHOWER. DO NOT SLEEP WITH ANY SIDE OF YOUR FACE TOUCHING THE BED. DO NOT GO OUTSIDE WHEN IT'S WINDY. DO NOT USE ANY SKINCARE OR PRODUCT ON YOUR FACE
After 24 hours and only after 24 hours may you put LUKEWARM water on your face and shower
[Try not to get any shampoo that touches your hair to touch your face, look up to have the shampoo fall down the back of your body. Shower with low water pressure]
After 48 hours you may start putting products back on your face.

MAKE SURE NOT TO TAKE ANY BLOOD THINNERS LIKE IBUPROFEN, OMEGA-3 OR TOPICAL VITAMIN SOLUTIONS 48 HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER MICRONEEDLING. THIS WILL FUCK U UP.

PAIN
From experience, this is the most painful parts of the face to microneedle, and therefore the parts of the face you should put more numbing cream on, in order
This will vary from person to person

1. Nose
Hurts the most. When I started I didn't use to put numbing cream. The nose is literally impossible to microneedle without numbing cream, it's like you're torturing youself. Imagine plucking out your nose hair, now imaging plucking out 10 nose hairs in the same spot every 0.2 seconds, that's how it feels like. I unironically skipped microneedling it until I got numbing cream.
ALWAYS USE NUMBING CREAM. It doesn't hurt if you put enough numbing cream btw.

2. Above the lips
Directly above the lips hurts the Second most, not as much as nose but still stings if you don't put numbing cream, so put numbing cream.

3. Undereyes
You should put as much numbing cream as you put on your nose, because of it's thinness, the under eyes have a harder time absorbing cream as the skin above the lips.

4. Forehead
Without numbing cream it's very discomforting to microneedlie.

5. The brows and to the sides of them
The skin of your eyebrows, even though covered with hair, is actually extremely sensitive. You might notice this when going to the beach and the salty water starts making your eyebrows sting. They don't hurt as much as nose because they're covered with hair but yes you should put numbing cream even on your eyebrows too.

6. Sides of face
Doesn't really hurt at all, and numbing cream essentially gaurantees no pain, especially the jaw.

7. Chin
Same as sides of face except even less pain tbh.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr for this section, every word in this section is vital.
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How do I Microneedle my Scalp?:
Apply the knowledge in the previous section, the only difference is
You can do it once a week instead of every 28 days
You CANNOT APPLY PRODUCTS like you can with skin, what I mean by this is with skin you can apply products like Hyaluronic Acid or anything else that normally has a hard time bypassing the top layer of your skin. With scalp the product you probably have in mind is topical minoxidil, finasteride and dutasteride. The reason you do not want that is they already cause skin irritation issues, so you would really want to not apply them within 24 hours both before and after microneedling. Don't worry, the benefits of that microneedling session will outway the 48 hours of not applying whatever product.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Scalp same as face but you can do it every 7 days. Don't apply any hair products on scalp within 28 hours of microneedling both before and after

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What Dermapen to Buy?:
I would only ever buy Dr. Pen dermapens. All the other pens on the market are literally just unbranded versions of this pen [Clones] or branded clones but branded by some random brand you've never heard of probably called something like EverLife or some shit.
I would recommend the Dr. Pen M8. It's usually under 50 GBP/Euros. Don't buy the expensive Dr. pens because those are specially made for clinics. They literally put AI in the pens to learn from the clinician's hand movements and shit which obviously autistic looksmaxxer in his room won't need. And honestly even though I have the money I don't plan on buying it either.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A DR.PEN MICRONEEDLING PEN, MAKE SURE NOT TO BUY IT FROM 3RD PARTY AND THAT THE SELLER IS DR. PEN THEMSELVES WHETHER YOU'RE ON ALIEXPRESS, EBAY OR ONBUY.
And no referral link to prove I'm not recommending them for money

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Just buy the Dr. Pen M8. Make sure the vendor is Dr. Pen themselves whether you're buying it on Aliexpress, eBay, their own site, Amazon, whatever.

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Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
If you are interested in this subject I recommend reading my Hyaluronic Acid guide, it was actually a precursor to this one

In-depth HYALURONIC ACID GUIDE - Smart niggas only.

AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH THIS GUIDE, YOU ARE PROBABLY INTIMIDATED AT THE COMPLICATED WORDS YOU ARE SEEING. DO NOT WORRY. AS LONG AS YOU USE AN AI ASSISTANT [fully serious] LIKE DEEPSEEK, ChatGPT, GEMENI, GROK ETC. WHILST READING THIS YOU SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE...

looksmax.org

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr since you should only really read the guide linked if you're actually interested

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Side Effects:
I will not be listing the side effects like redness and skin irritation since you're literally stabbing yourself with microneedles so obviously .
It goes away after 2 days max so no point in talking about it.

Infection
Will not happen if you follow my step by step. This will really ever happen with improper use. It's the thing Clinics use to try and get people to microneedle at their clinic instead of at home but it's really not a risk at all if you're not braindead, use face wipes on your face, wash your hands and don't reuse cartridges.

Scarring
Will not happen with improper use. I really only see this happening if you Microneedle too regularly which as I said before, do it every 28 days, no less no more [though missing by a few days is nothing to be scared of], if you maybe microneedle the same spot over and over too much in a session. And if you use way too much depth for

Skin pigmentation changed [that isn't hyperpigmentation going away]
Same as scarring

Nerve damage
This is LITERALLY impossible if you follow my step by step. The most shallow nerve in the face is 2.9mm deep, and I told you guys to go 1.5mm deep so again, if you follow my step by step, this is literally impossible.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Most of these are little to no risk if you follow my step by step. Nerve damage is impossible if you follow my step by step.

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BONUS CONTENT: DERMAROLLERS AND DERMASTAMPS


Dermaroller.
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Dermacopers. These things are fucking garbage. Look back at the side effects section.
Infection - I am not even kidding when I say dermarolling will have 1,000 times the chance to cause skin infection as microneedling. I personally NEVER reuse a cartridge and you should NEVER reuse them too. Now imagine reusing the same cartridge every month no matter how dull it becomes. Now imagine never even disinfecting it. That is how the average dermaroller user uses their dermaroller.
Scarring -
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Look at this diagramn which shows the difference between Microneedling. Because the dermaroller ROLLS when the needles in the dermaroller moves with the wheel, it literally widens the hole it made. I do not need to tell you how much this increases the chance of scarring and infection

Skin pigmentation and Nerves - same as scarring again tbh
Btw you don't need to disinfect microneedling cartridges unless you retardedly decide to reuse them which again, me personally i would never do and have never done.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

They're fucking cope bro what can I say

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Dermastamp
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The stuff I've heard about the women who originally made the dermastamp is INSANE. Apperently she used the credit card and shipping address info of reviewers who reviewed it bad to dox them and shit?

That aside, I don't see the appeal of them over dermapens. The face isnt a 2 dimensional objects, it has curves, protrusions, it goes deeper in some places. The derma pen allows you to be much more direct instead of just doing it in a general area. I feel like this would either partly or completely miss the deep parts of wrinkles, laugh lines, some acne scars and nasiolabial folds

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Doesn't allow you to be direct, would probably miss the deep parts of wrinkles and acne scars and shit.

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Why did I write this thread?

I wrote this in the space of about 6 hours which is nothing. This thread is detailed, well researched, talks about everything you could possibly want to know about the subject, actually helpful and insightful, touches a topic that really needs to be talked more about on this site [microneedling], talks from actual experience, and it only took 6 hours. It's not that hard.Why do you guys keep releasing shitty threads and calling them mega guides? THIS is a megaguide. Do better guys.

Ask any questions in the comments and I am sure to answer them.


The BB code of this thread incase you wish to use it as a template: https://pastecode.io/s/ikup37jy

hey i was wondering about applying ghkcu topically with this do i do it directly after micro needling or should i wait and if so how long

 

[SexDefender]

@BootySniffer69

 

[ripikke]

If you cannot be bothered reading this guide, I highly recommend bookmarking or screenshotting it for a later read.
Because If you do read this entire guide, and apply what you've learnt
You will be one step closer to the porcelain skinned version of yourself you imagine in the mirror
More so than you will be reading any other guide on this site.

Spoiler: THREAD SONG

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Spoiler: Info for reader

This guide will have All the information on Microneedling you could ever need.
After reading this guide in full, you should be as knowledgeable as someone who has been Microneedling for 6 months, knows what it is, what it does, what it's for, how it works, the benefits, the side effects, the products it works well with, the myths, the lies, and everything in between without ever even touching a micro needle cartridge.
This is a very under-appreciated method which I would honestly say is better than Accutane.
(and yes you can do it at home)
5 years of Accutane vs 5 years of Microneedling from 20-25.
Microneedling clears. For Acne control the Accutane will be better, but for skin texture, anti aging, and collagen stimulation Microneedling clears. If you do the methods I describe here in this guide, aswell as use Accutane, and don't fuck up your skin with incel diet, after 12 months you will be the kid with the best skin in your school, you will be the passenger with the best skin at the airport, you will be the pedestrian with the best skin in the town centre, and you'll be the person with the best skin in her dms.

I used to know nothing about Microneedling a year ago. When I saw those insane before and after pics of those Indian grandmas losing half their wrinkles, I thought Microneedling was some Indian folk method where they get alot of needles and stab it into the skin or some shit. Yes, I thought it was a type of acupuncture
If you are reading this you most likely know at-least what Microneedling IS which should give you confidence since even though the length of this guide is quite long, you don't need know have any prior knowledge and I will assume you knew just as much as I did, which is nothing.

Spoiler: IMPORTANT Info

The info I put in my guides is ALWAYS out there. As goes for EVERY other guide on this site. What my guide does is save you hours of research and experience and puts all the information you would have learned into a 5-10 minute read [20 if you do a bit of research and ChatGPTing whilst reading]
Never trust anyone if they are telling you they are giving you secrets, whether in a looksmaxxing influencer's course or .org guide.
The only secrets that ever get revealed are the ones that come from REAL studies.
They are either saving you time or money you would've put into trying out ways to look better, or they are selling you complete snake oil and
SCAMMING you.
Whilst reading any looksmaxxing guide, the thought that should always be on your mind is "are actual models doing this?"
Or is it only autistic teens in their room on .org?
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Spoiler: Mini-guide to this guide

Headers look like this
Subheaders look like this
or this
Regular text will look like this
Text I want to emphasise will look like this
Quick info that will come up AFTER I've made a statement that you should keep in mind will look like this
Quick info that will come up DURING a statement I'm making that you should keep in mind will look like this

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If you are reading this on computer, zoom out where the words fit like this since that is how my computer is, and that is how I formatted it based on.
Not a necessity just don't want to limit any reader's experience.
READ THIS GUIDE IN DARK MODE!!!!!

Spoiler: Quick info on the Tl;Dr's

I WILL PROVIDE A Tl;Dr [too long; didn't read.] AT THE END OF EVERY SECTION.
IF YOU WANT THE MOST IN-DEPTH CONTENT JUST COMPLETELY SKIP THE Tl;Dr's.
IF YOU DO READ ONLY THE Tl;Dr SECTIONS, THAT IS FINE, I ADDED THEM THERE FOR A REASON, BUT PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER COMMENTING TO SAVE ME FROM THE RETARDATION.
[unless it's praise ofc]
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First, the Results:
[Keep in mind, this is only after 3-5 months, with the last being 8. Imagine doing this for a year, or even 2, or even 5.]

Beats Wrinkles
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Beats Acne scars
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Beats Mild Acne
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Beats Hyperpigmentation
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Beats Skin damage from Makeup
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The last girl here is a skincare channel and is about 35, and has been doing skincare for over 10 years. Yet still had such a good skin transformation from Microneedling
The reason why women who use skincare have worse skin than you might expect is because the makeup they wear everyday is bad for their skin. Which essentially makes them look like someone who doesn't do skincare at all. Even with that, Microneedling made them look like someone who HAS been doing skincare for 10 years.

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Spoiler: Contents

What even is Microneedling?
Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen
How do I actually Microneedle?
How do I Microneedle my Scalp?
What Dermapen to Buy?
Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
Bonus Content
Dermaroller.
Dermastamp

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What even is Microneedling?:
Microneedling is when you rapidly stab your face with metal needles usually using an electric powdered device to look better.
Jokes aside, Microneedling is when you use either a Dermaroller [dermacoper], Microneedling pen or a Dermastamp to essentially make micro-punctured in your skin. This is for 2 main reasons.
1: It triggers your body's natural healing response, making your body produce and send Collagen and Elastin to the surface of your skin [making your skin look much more youthful and firmer (less wrinkly/saggy)].
2: It allows products that otherwise have a hard time penetrating the skin [such as Hyaluronic acid] to bypass the outerlayers of the skin
It also is great for increasing hair thickness in an area [good for norwooding men] but I'll talk about that later
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The model in this picture is wearing makeup and her skin is clear, in reality it'd be red. Not an issue having microneedles rapidly stab your skin because you should use numbing cream before, which is easy peasy and cheap, trust.
For the redness, yes during and after you will have red skin, only for a day, MAX 2. This is easily fixable by just doing it on the weekends when you're at home and nobody will see you except family.
But is it actually all that good?
Yes. Compared to Topical Retinol and Accutane, Microneedling mogs when it comes to increasing derma-collagen levels.
To explain this quickly for the current and future Retinoid readers reading this

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Microneedling = stab skin with microneedles to create micropunctures to trigger ur body's healing response. Good for increasing collagen + good for letting topical solutions that no bypass top layer of skin to yes bypass top layer of skin

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Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen:
[You don't have to read this section, it's only important if you know quite a bit about retinoids (accutane/retinol) already, are using retinoids, or plan to use them in the future.]
[Just read the Tl;Dr if this doesn't apply to you]
This study I am about to show you will shock you, will blow your fucking mind.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/15/9055

The study reported a 400% increase in collagen and elastin production after 6 months of treatment.
I thought it was BS too. Now obviously that 400% increase does not mean that a 60 year old who's collagen production is only at 20%, if he starts microneedling, his collagen will go back to 100% [look at graph in the next spoiler] and he will look like a 15 year old or something. Because this only applies to derma-collagen, the collagen in the rest of your body, blood, tendons, hair, nails, the skin that's not your face matters more to your skin's youthfulness than just the collagen that's directly on your skin.
Though what this does say for certain, is apart from maybe direct collagen injections or PRP, which are both procedures I doubt 5% of the people reading would ever get [because most people here are dreamers] Microneedling is the best way to increase collagen in your skin. More than RETINOL, more than ACCUTANE, more thsn COLLAGEN CREAM/SUPPLEMENTS.
The only thing that can shine a light to Microneedling when it comes to increasing collagen, except collagen injections and PRP which I write about here, is being younger in age
Btw, for the retards. This does not mean Microneedling is useless if you are planning on doing PRP or collagen injections, what it does mean is if you do all 3, you will look 30 at 45.

Spoiler: Quick summary on Collagen for those who don't know

Collagen = main building block [like 30%] of human body
Collagen = skin, hair, nails, bones, cartillage, tendons = all collagen
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Collagen production = go down significantly as you age starting from birth and rapidly accelerating once you're 30
At 20: you start losing 1% collagen production per year
At 25: you start losing 1.5% collagen production per year
This collagen production decrease is the main reason you start looking older and more wrinklier and less youthful as time goes on. This + natural hyaluronic acid production goes down + elastin production goes down + DHT goes up = Agepill hits hard
There is no way to stop this production from going down, it's encoded in our genetics too deep.
You WILL start growing wrinkles. Best thing to do is to just accept it
Only thing you can do is to slow it down as much as you can, and to increase your skin's natural collagen as much as possible. Retinoids and Microneedling really helps
[aswell as PRP Treatment and Collagen injections though that's for another guide]

Spoiler: Collagen types summary to refer back to

The 28 types of Collagen
There are 28 types of collagen. For this guide we only care about 5 [we don't really care about collagen 6] of them. Don't worry, I'm not going to go super in depth, and I don't expect you to remember even 3 of them, just refer back to this whilst reading:
Collagen type 1 - MOST IMPORTANT [in skin aesthetics]
For Skin strength and structure [We care about this one]

Collagen type 2 - NOT IMPORTANT
For Cartilage [We don't care about this one]

Collagen type 3 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For Skin healing and elasticity [We care] [Skin healing for acne scars, elasticity for looking more youthful]

Collagen type 4 - - Moderate Importance
Does not really act in the structure of skin, only helps skin aesthetics indirectly [We don't really care]

Collagen type 5 - - Low-Moderate Importance
For regulating Type 1 fibers [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 6 - - Low Importance
For acting as a scaffolding for the skin [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 7 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For anchoring skin layers [prevents sagging], [We care]

I say [in skin aesthetics] because there will be that retard which says "ermm actually there is no most important type of collagen, you would die without alot of them"

[We will completely be ignoring collagen type 2 in this guide and act like it does not exist]
Microneedling stimulates all types of collagen from 1-7, Retinol does the same except for type 6, and Accutane just gets mogged by both since it only stimulates type 1, 3 and 5, and even then it's stimulation is very limited. It only stimulates type 1 to a moderate degree which doesn't matter since both Retinol and Microneedling strongly stimulate type 1 collagen so it get's mogged at the only thing it's good at when it comes to derma-collagen. So topical Retinol is the main contender against Microneedling when it comes to stimulating derma-collagen, therefore we will compare them both.

Spoiler: Comparing Microneedling and Retinol when it comes to stimulating the production of different collagen types

Spoiler: Tl;Dr for the collagen types comparisons

[REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY REGARDING DERMA-COLLAGEN]

Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

COLLAGEN TYPE 1:
Microneedling mogs Retinol in Collagen type 1 stimulation, though Retinol still strongly stimulates type 1 in the skin, just not to the degree of Microneedling. As you probably know, plastic surgery was invented to treat disfigured veterans after WWI. 95% of beauty products/methods are just repurposed medical products/methods. The medicine side of biology discovers a new molecule/surgery method/some protein or peptide or whatever, and the beauty industry looks at it and says "oo I can use that", which is where Microneedling comes from. Microneedling was first used [and still is] to treat wounds and scars, and skin conditions like Epidermolysis Bullosa. And through studies on those types of wounds and on Microneedling we know that Microneedle Induces deeper fibroblast activity and remodeling via wound healing to such a degree that I don't think a topical or ingestable product will ever be in the market that will stimulate collagen 1 more than Microneedling does.

For Collagen 1, Microneedling mogs to gandy, though you guys shouldn't underestimate Retinol's ability to stimulate it aswell.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- "Compared to the baseline, collagen types I, III, and VII, as well as newly synthesized collagen... showed a statistically significant increase (P < 0.05) in response to treatment.
https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/full...s_evaluation_of_microneedling_therapy.80.aspx [though this one's done on animals]
Retinol: https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9284/3/4/35
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type I collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 3:
Microneedling again, mogs Retinol here. Microneedling stimulates collagen type 3 almost as much as it does type 1, poor Retinol's ability to stimulate collagen 3 doesn't come as very close to it's ability to stimulate collagen type 3. THOUGH THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T STIMULATE COLLAGEN 3 TO A MODERATE DEGREE. Microneedling just has more of a consistent increase of collagen type 3 through dermal healing cascade, which has been proven through studies.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Same as the first study in collagen 1 + https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3921236/
- "New type III collagen fibers integrate into the existing skin matrix without any trace of fibrotic tissue."
Retinol: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2045685/
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type III collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 4:
Retinol mogs Microneedling in Collagen type 4 stimulation. Microneedling only mildly stimulates it though I don't believe that's an issue because it doesn't directly contribute to skin aesthetics and is nowhere near as important as type 1 or 7.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Could not find a specific one for Microneedling. Usually I would assume that means it doesn't boost it at all, though when 1 type of collagen in the skin is stimulates, type 4 will always be more stimulated aswell.
Retinol: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ics.12250
- Can't find a good quote from this since alot of it is big smart biology words that us looksmaxxers don't care about

COLLAGEN TYPE 5 & 6:
We don't really care about these 2 just know Microneedling is MUCH MUCH better than Retinol at increasing these 2 types of collagen.
COLLAGEN TYPE 7:
Now I do actually believe Retinol does increase this type of collagen because they are alot of studies that say "Retinol yadda yadda yadda.. increases type 7 collagen and blah blah blah" but there is no study which purpose is to show it increases type 4 collagen, nor is there a study that CITES a study that does this that I can quote.
What this means: Retinol definitley DOES increase type 7 collagen in my opinion, just from my biology knowledge and the studies I've eyeballed though whether it's significant or consistent I have no idea.
For Microneedling it does, studies have shown Microneedling regenerates type 7 collagen in damaged skin during healing, so for that I'm going to say Microneedling mogs Retinol in the collagen 7 stimulation department.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- I have cited this study before in this guide so no need to quote

Retinol: ?????

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Accutane is actually pretty mid and increasing derma-collagen, it's really goated for acne but when it comes to derma-collagen [the collagen in your skin], Retinol is actually better
Comparing Microneedling and Retinol, Microneedling is much better at increasing derma-collagen. Microneedling increases derma-collagen production by 400%
For the different collagen types:
Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

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How do I actually Microneedle?:
This section of the guide will be a polished reformatted version of this one. Reason I'm basically remastering it instead of just providing the link is because it's genuine eye cancer to look at and I don't want my readers to go blind.
Also there is quite a bit that the guide linked gets wrong like needing disinfrectant spray and the price of the pen and many more.

What you will need:
Face wipes - 20 wipes will be 2 euros so 0.10 euros per treatment
Microneedling pen - 55 euro
Numbing cream with Licodaine AND prilocaine [2.5% each] - Under a euro's worth per treatment [maybe 0.90 euros]
Microneedle cartridge - 0.4 euros per cartridge if you buy in bulk
[40 euro for 100 cartidges, though when you buy the dermapen you will recieve about 5 which should cover you for 5 months anyways]

Per treatment cost after initial buying of the dermapen - 1.4 euros only
Recommended additions:
Medical gloves [to stop bacteria from hands] - 0.10 euros per pair per treatment
Hyaluronic Acid [preferably from L'Oreal though that's my bias] - .50 per treatment

Per treatment cost if you don't cheap out and use recommended additions- 2.0 euros only

Keep in mind before you start, you should only microneedle every 28 days. Any more lessens results, any less will cause side effects.​

Step 1:
DO NOT DO THE TREATMENT IF IN THE LAST 8 HOURS YOU'VE USED ANY SKINCARE OR FACIAL PRODUCT
Wipe your face with the face wipes. Water is not enough, you must use them. To balance the pH of your skin, to remove bacteria, to avoid skin irritation, everything.

Step 2 [Optional]:
Wash your hands, dry them, put on the medical gloves.
The gloves are optional, washing your hands isn't. WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS TO AVOID SKIN IRRITATION

Step 3:
Apply the numbing cream to your face. If you think you're adding too little you probably are. MICRONEEDLING HURTS. Even during the first treatment when you've applied the numbing cream there will be some parts of the skin that will sting anyways, remember which parts so you can add more cream in those areas in the next treatments. Make sure every millimetre of your skin is lightly coated in the numbing cream.
WAIT 30 MINUTES FOR IT TO DRY AND ABSORB INTO YOUR SKIN BEFORE CONTINUING

Step 4:
If there is still any numbing cream left, remove it VERY GENTLY, as light as possible with face wipes, then again wait for your face to dry from the face wipes.
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution
Put a new cartridge into your dermapen, NEVER REUSE A CARTRIDGE, EVEN IF YOU CLEANSE IT. AFTER ONE USE THE NEEDLES WILL BE DULL. THEY'RE ONE USE ONLY.
Put your dermapen deepness at 1.5mm, and about 2 speed. You may differ from this as time goes on if you prefer, for example now adays I do it at 4 speed for face and 2 speed for nose, eyebrows and undereyes.

First the Forehead

Dark Purple lines: You will want to go down across from your entire Forehead like this
Hot Pink lines: Then across the entire forehead like this. Make sure every square centimetre has been microneedled
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DO THIS ONCE FOR PURPLE AND RED AREA DESCRIBED BELOW, DO THIS TWICE FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE EVERY SQUARE MILLIEMETRE OF YOUR FOREHEAD SHOULD BE MICRONEEDLED

Using this method of down then across, then down then across again. You will do this method to your entire face in this order:
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IN THIS ORDER:
The speed, deepness and order only applies to first and maybe second treatment. From then on you can change it suiting to what you prefer.
1ST AREA: HOT PINK
FOREHEAD
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

2ND AREA: DARK BLUE
LEFT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

3RD AREA: GREEN
BOTTOM OF FACE [not including lips, don't microneedle them at all]
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

4TH AREA: LIGHT BLUE
RIGHT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

5TH AREA: RED
EYEBROWS, UNDER EYES AND NOSE
0.5MM DEEPNESS, 1 SPEED.

If your skin ever bleeds during, do not worry, just quickly wipe it with face wipes.

Step 5:
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution again
Your skin will look Red/pinkish now. That's to be expected. It will stay like that for 1-2 days so preferably do it on Friday when weekend approaching. Trust me, it will be worth it.
Your treatment is now finished by this step.
DO NOT WASH YOUR FACE WITH WATER. DO NOT SHOWER. DO NOT SLEEP WITH ANY SIDE OF YOUR FACE TOUCHING THE BED. DO NOT GO OUTSIDE WHEN IT'S WINDY. DO NOT USE ANY SKINCARE OR PRODUCT ON YOUR FACE
After 24 hours and only after 24 hours may you put LUKEWARM water on your face and shower
[Try not to get any shampoo that touches your hair to touch your face, look up to have the shampoo fall down the back of your body. Shower with low water pressure]
After 48 hours you may start putting products back on your face.

MAKE SURE NOT TO TAKE ANY BLOOD THINNERS LIKE IBUPROFEN, OMEGA-3 OR TOPICAL VITAMIN SOLUTIONS 48 HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER MICRONEEDLING. THIS WILL FUCK U UP.

PAIN
From experience, this is the most painful parts of the face to microneedle, and therefore the parts of the face you should put more numbing cream on, in order
This will vary from person to person

1. Nose
Hurts the most. When I started I didn't use to put numbing cream. The nose is literally impossible to microneedle without numbing cream, it's like you're torturing youself. Imagine plucking out your nose hair, now imaging plucking out 10 nose hairs in the same spot every 0.2 seconds, that's how it feels like. I unironically skipped microneedling it until I got numbing cream.
ALWAYS USE NUMBING CREAM. It doesn't hurt if you put enough numbing cream btw.

2. Above the lips
Directly above the lips hurts the Second most, not as much as nose but still stings if you don't put numbing cream, so put numbing cream.

3. Undereyes
You should put as much numbing cream as you put on your nose, because of it's thinness, the under eyes have a harder time absorbing cream as the skin above the lips.

4. Forehead
Without numbing cream it's very discomforting to microneedlie.

5. The brows and to the sides of them
The skin of your eyebrows, even though covered with hair, is actually extremely sensitive. You might notice this when going to the beach and the salty water starts making your eyebrows sting. They don't hurt as much as nose because they're covered with hair but yes you should put numbing cream even on your eyebrows too.

6. Sides of face
Doesn't really hurt at all, and numbing cream essentially gaurantees no pain, especially the jaw.

7. Chin
Same as sides of face except even less pain tbh.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr for this section, every word in this section is vital.
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How do I Microneedle my Scalp?:
Apply the knowledge in the previous section, the only difference is
You can do it once a week instead of every 28 days
You CANNOT APPLY PRODUCTS like you can with skin, what I mean by this is with skin you can apply products like Hyaluronic Acid or anything else that normally has a hard time bypassing the top layer of your skin. With scalp the product you probably have in mind is topical minoxidil, finasteride and dutasteride. The reason you do not want that is they already cause skin irritation issues, so you would really want to not apply them within 24 hours both before and after microneedling. Don't worry, the benefits of that microneedling session will outway the 48 hours of not applying whatever product.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Scalp same as face but you can do it every 7 days. Don't apply any hair products on scalp within 28 hours of microneedling both before and after

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What Dermapen to Buy?:
I would only ever buy Dr. Pen dermapens. All the other pens on the market are literally just unbranded versions of this pen [Clones] or branded clones but branded by some random brand you've never heard of probably called something like EverLife or some shit.
I would recommend the Dr. Pen M8. It's usually under 50 GBP/Euros. Don't buy the expensive Dr. pens because those are specially made for clinics. They literally put AI in the pens to learn from the clinician's hand movements and shit which obviously autistic looksmaxxer in his room won't need. And honestly even though I have the money I don't plan on buying it either.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A DR.PEN MICRONEEDLING PEN, MAKE SURE NOT TO BUY IT FROM 3RD PARTY AND THAT THE SELLER IS DR. PEN THEMSELVES WHETHER YOU'RE ON ALIEXPRESS, EBAY OR ONBUY.
And no referral link to prove I'm not recommending them for money

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Just buy the Dr. Pen M8. Make sure the vendor is Dr. Pen themselves whether you're buying it on Aliexpress, eBay, their own site, Amazon, whatever.

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Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
If you are interested in this subject I recommend reading my Hyaluronic Acid guide, it was actually a precursor to this one

In-depth HYALURONIC ACID GUIDE - Smart niggas only.

AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH THIS GUIDE, YOU ARE PROBABLY INTIMIDATED AT THE COMPLICATED WORDS YOU ARE SEEING. DO NOT WORRY. AS LONG AS YOU USE AN AI ASSISTANT [fully serious] LIKE DEEPSEEK, ChatGPT, GEMENI, GROK ETC. WHILST READING THIS YOU SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE...

looksmax.org

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr since you should only really read the guide linked if you're actually interested

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Side Effects:
I will not be listing the side effects like redness and skin irritation since you're literally stabbing yourself with microneedles so obviously .
It goes away after 2 days max so no point in talking about it.

Infection
Will not happen if you follow my step by step. This will really ever happen with improper use. It's the thing Clinics use to try and get people to microneedle at their clinic instead of at home but it's really not a risk at all if you're not braindead, use face wipes on your face, wash your hands and don't reuse cartridges.

Scarring
Will not happen with improper use. I really only see this happening if you Microneedle too regularly which as I said before, do it every 28 days, no less no more [though missing by a few days is nothing to be scared of], if you maybe microneedle the same spot over and over too much in a session. And if you use way too much depth for

Skin pigmentation changed [that isn't hyperpigmentation going away]
Same as scarring

Nerve damage
This is LITERALLY impossible if you follow my step by step. The most shallow nerve in the face is 2.9mm deep, and I told you guys to go 1.5mm deep so again, if you follow my step by step, this is literally impossible.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Most of these are little to no risk if you follow my step by step. Nerve damage is impossible if you follow my step by step.

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BONUS CONTENT: DERMAROLLERS AND DERMASTAMPS


Dermaroller.
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Dermacopers. These things are fucking garbage. Look back at the side effects section.
Infection - I am not even kidding when I say dermarolling will have 1,000 times the chance to cause skin infection as microneedling. I personally NEVER reuse a cartridge and you should NEVER reuse them too. Now imagine reusing the same cartridge every month no matter how dull it becomes. Now imagine never even disinfecting it. That is how the average dermaroller user uses their dermaroller.
Scarring -
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Look at this diagramn which shows the difference between Microneedling. Because the dermaroller ROLLS when the needles in the dermaroller moves with the wheel, it literally widens the hole it made. I do not need to tell you how much this increases the chance of scarring and infection

Skin pigmentation and Nerves - same as scarring again tbh
Btw you don't need to disinfect microneedling cartridges unless you retardedly decide to reuse them which again, me personally i would never do and have never done.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

They're fucking cope bro what can I say

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Dermastamp
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The stuff I've heard about the women who originally made the dermastamp is INSANE. Apperently she used the credit card and shipping address info of reviewers who reviewed it bad to dox them and shit?

That aside, I don't see the appeal of them over dermapens. The face isnt a 2 dimensional objects, it has curves, protrusions, it goes deeper in some places. The derma pen allows you to be much more direct instead of just doing it in a general area. I feel like this would either partly or completely miss the deep parts of wrinkles, laugh lines, some acne scars and nasiolabial folds

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Doesn't allow you to be direct, would probably miss the deep parts of wrinkles and acne scars and shit.

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Why did I write this thread?

I wrote this in the space of about 6 hours which is nothing. This thread is detailed, well researched, talks about everything you could possibly want to know about the subject, actually helpful and insightful, touches a topic that really needs to be talked more about on this site [microneedling], talks from actual experience, and it only took 6 hours. It's not that hard.Why do you guys keep releasing shitty threads and calling them mega guides? THIS is a megaguide. Do better guys.

Ask any questions in the comments and I am sure to answer them.


The BB code of this thread incase you wish to use it as a template: https://pastecode.io/s/ikup37jy

I would add dermapenning with topical GHK-Cu peptide serum + glycine supplementation and red light therapy mask

 

[SoNotFunny]

I would add dermapenning with topical GHK-Cu peptide serum + glycine supplementation and red light therapy mask

I micro needle and use ghk. I don't use topical ghk because it's cope, but I still inject it. My theory is that since ghk heals wounds and promotes collagen, it will multiply the benefits of microneedling, possibly healing it even faster

 

[ripikke]

Tl;Dr:

Look at this diagramn which shows the difference between Microneedling. Because the dermaroller ROLLS when the needles in the dermaroller moves with the wheel, it literally widens the hole it made. I do not need to tell you how much this increases the chance of scarring and infection

Skin pigmentation and Nerves - same as scarring again tbh
Btw you don't need to disinfect microneedling cartridges unless you retardedly decide to reuse them which again, me personally i would never do and have never done.
Tl;Dr:

I micro needle and use ghk. I don't use topical ghk because it's cope, but I still inject it. My theory is that since ghk heals wounds and promotes collagen, it will multiply the benefits of microneedling, possibly healing it even faster

Ok. I will note that. I also inject only GHK-cu peptide. I'm considering adding bpc 157 and tb-500 to see if they all synergize. I'm also using red light therapy almost every day.

 

[sinofuckingboss]

Ok. I will note that. I also inject only GHK-cu peptide. I'm considering adding bpc 157 and tb-500 to see if they all synergize. I'm also using red light therapy almost every day.

red light therapy is fire keep it up

 

[gigacumster3000]

lmao

 

[childishkillah]

If you cannot be bothered reading this guide, I highly recommend bookmarking or screenshotting it for a later read.
Because If you do read this entire guide, and apply what you've learnt
You will be one step closer to the porcelain skinned version of yourself you imagine in the mirror
More so than you will be reading any other guide on this site.

Spoiler: THREAD SONG

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Spoiler: Info for reader

This guide will have All the information on Microneedling you could ever need.
After reading this guide in full, you should be as knowledgeable as someone who has been Microneedling for 6 months, knows what it is, what it does, what it's for, how it works, the benefits, the side effects, the products it works well with, the myths, the lies, and everything in between without ever even touching a micro needle cartridge.
This is a very under-appreciated method which I would honestly say is better than Accutane.
(and yes you can do it at home)
5 years of Accutane vs 5 years of Microneedling from 20-25.
Microneedling clears. For Acne control the Accutane will be better, but for skin texture, anti aging, and collagen stimulation Microneedling clears. If you do the methods I describe here in this guide, aswell as use Accutane, and don't fuck up your skin with incel diet, after 12 months you will be the kid with the best skin in your school, you will be the passenger with the best skin at the airport, you will be the pedestrian with the best skin in the town centre, and you'll be the person with the best skin in her dms.

I used to know nothing about Microneedling a year ago. When I saw those insane before and after pics of those Indian grandmas losing half their wrinkles, I thought Microneedling was some Indian folk method where they get alot of needles and stab it into the skin or some shit. Yes, I thought it was a type of acupuncture
If you are reading this you most likely know at-least what Microneedling IS which should give you confidence since even though the length of this guide is quite long, you don't need know have any prior knowledge and I will assume you knew just as much as I did, which is nothing.

Spoiler: IMPORTANT Info

The info I put in my guides is ALWAYS out there. As goes for EVERY other guide on this site. What my guide does is save you hours of research and experience and puts all the information you would have learned into a 5-10 minute read [20 if you do a bit of research and ChatGPTing whilst reading]
Never trust anyone if they are telling you they are giving you secrets, whether in a looksmaxxing influencer's course or .org guide.
The only secrets that ever get revealed are the ones that come from REAL studies.
They are either saving you time or money you would've put into trying out ways to look better, or they are selling you complete snake oil and
SCAMMING you.
Whilst reading any looksmaxxing guide, the thought that should always be on your mind is "are actual models doing this?"
Or is it only autistic teens in their room on .org?
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Spoiler: Mini-guide to this guide

Headers look like this
Subheaders look like this
or this
Regular text will look like this
Text I want to emphasise will look like this
Quick info that will come up AFTER I've made a statement that you should keep in mind will look like this
Quick info that will come up DURING a statement I'm making that you should keep in mind will look like this

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If you are reading this on computer, zoom out where the words fit like this since that is how my computer is, and that is how I formatted it based on.
Not a necessity just don't want to limit any reader's experience.
READ THIS GUIDE IN DARK MODE!!!!!

Spoiler: Quick info on the Tl;Dr's

I WILL PROVIDE A Tl;Dr [too long; didn't read.] AT THE END OF EVERY SECTION.
IF YOU WANT THE MOST IN-DEPTH CONTENT JUST COMPLETELY SKIP THE Tl;Dr's.
IF YOU DO READ ONLY THE Tl;Dr SECTIONS, THAT IS FINE, I ADDED THEM THERE FOR A REASON, BUT PLEASE DO NOT BOTHER COMMENTING TO SAVE ME FROM THE RETARDATION.
[unless it's praise ofc]
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First, the Results:
[Keep in mind, this is only after 3-5 months, with the last being 8. Imagine doing this for a year, or even 2, or even 5.]

Beats Wrinkles
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Beats Acne scars
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Beats Mild Acne
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Beats Hyperpigmentation
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Beats Skin damage from Makeup
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The last girl here is a skincare channel and is about 35, and has been doing skincare for over 10 years. Yet still had such a good skin transformation from Microneedling
The reason why women who use skincare have worse skin than you might expect is because the makeup they wear everyday is bad for their skin. Which essentially makes them look like someone who doesn't do skincare at all. Even with that, Microneedling made them look like someone who HAS been doing skincare for 10 years.

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Spoiler: Contents

What even is Microneedling?
Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen
How do I actually Microneedle?
How do I Microneedle my Scalp?
What Dermapen to Buy?
Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
Bonus Content
Dermaroller.
Dermastamp

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What even is Microneedling?:
Microneedling is when you rapidly stab your face with metal needles usually using an electric powdered device to look better.
Jokes aside, Microneedling is when you use either a Dermaroller [dermacoper], Microneedling pen or a Dermastamp to essentially make micro-punctured in your skin. This is for 2 main reasons.
1: It triggers your body's natural healing response, making your body produce and send Collagen and Elastin to the surface of your skin [making your skin look much more youthful and firmer (less wrinkly/saggy)].
2: It allows products that otherwise have a hard time penetrating the skin [such as Hyaluronic acid] to bypass the outerlayers of the skin
It also is great for increasing hair thickness in an area [good for norwooding men] but I'll talk about that later
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The model in this picture is wearing makeup and her skin is clear, in reality it'd be red. Not an issue having microneedles rapidly stab your skin because you should use numbing cream before, which is easy peasy and cheap, trust.
For the redness, yes during and after you will have red skin, only for a day, MAX 2. This is easily fixable by just doing it on the weekends when you're at home and nobody will see you except family.
But is it actually all that good?
Yes. Compared to Topical Retinol and Accutane, Microneedling mogs when it comes to increasing derma-collagen levels.
To explain this quickly for the current and future Retinoid readers reading this

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Microneedling = stab skin with microneedles to create micropunctures to trigger ur body's healing response. Good for increasing collagen + good for letting topical solutions that no bypass top layer of skin to yes bypass top layer of skin

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Comparing Microneedling with Retinoids when it comes to increasing Derma-Collagen:
[You don't have to read this section, it's only important if you know quite a bit about retinoids (accutane/retinol) already, are using retinoids, or plan to use them in the future.]
[Just read the Tl;Dr if this doesn't apply to you]
This study I am about to show you will shock you, will blow your fucking mind.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/19/15/9055

The study reported a 400% increase in collagen and elastin production after 6 months of treatment.
I thought it was BS too. Now obviously that 400% increase does not mean that a 60 year old who's collagen production is only at 20%, if he starts microneedling, his collagen will go back to 100% [look at graph in the next spoiler] and he will look like a 15 year old or something. Because this only applies to derma-collagen, the collagen in the rest of your body, blood, tendons, hair, nails, the skin that's not your face matters more to your skin's youthfulness than just the collagen that's directly on your skin.
Though what this does say for certain, is apart from maybe direct collagen injections or PRP, which are both procedures I doubt 5% of the people reading would ever get [because most people here are dreamers] Microneedling is the best way to increase collagen in your skin. More than RETINOL, more than ACCUTANE, more thsn COLLAGEN CREAM/SUPPLEMENTS.
The only thing that can shine a light to Microneedling when it comes to increasing collagen, except collagen injections and PRP which I write about here, is being younger in age
Btw, for the retards. This does not mean Microneedling is useless if you are planning on doing PRP or collagen injections, what it does mean is if you do all 3, you will look 30 at 45.

Spoiler: Quick summary on Collagen for those who don't know

Collagen = main building block [like 30%] of human body
Collagen = skin, hair, nails, bones, cartillage, tendons = all collagen
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Collagen production = go down significantly as you age starting from birth and rapidly accelerating once you're 30
At 20: you start losing 1% collagen production per year
At 25: you start losing 1.5% collagen production per year
This collagen production decrease is the main reason you start looking older and more wrinklier and less youthful as time goes on. This + natural hyaluronic acid production goes down + elastin production goes down + DHT goes up = Agepill hits hard
There is no way to stop this production from going down, it's encoded in our genetics too deep.
You WILL start growing wrinkles. Best thing to do is to just accept it
Only thing you can do is to slow it down as much as you can, and to increase your skin's natural collagen as much as possible. Retinoids and Microneedling really helps
[aswell as PRP Treatment and Collagen injections though that's for another guide]

Spoiler: Collagen types summary to refer back to

The 28 types of Collagen
There are 28 types of collagen. For this guide we only care about 5 [we don't really care about collagen 6] of them. Don't worry, I'm not going to go super in depth, and I don't expect you to remember even 3 of them, just refer back to this whilst reading:
Collagen type 1 - MOST IMPORTANT [in skin aesthetics]
For Skin strength and structure [We care about this one]

Collagen type 2 - NOT IMPORTANT
For Cartilage [We don't care about this one]

Collagen type 3 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For Skin healing and elasticity [We care] [Skin healing for acne scars, elasticity for looking more youthful]

Collagen type 4 - - Moderate Importance
Does not really act in the structure of skin, only helps skin aesthetics indirectly [We don't really care]

Collagen type 5 - - Low-Moderate Importance
For regulating Type 1 fibers [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 6 - - Low Importance
For acting as a scaffolding for the skin [Doesn't rlly matter]

Collagen type 7 - - VERY IMPORTANT
For anchoring skin layers [prevents sagging], [We care]

I say [in skin aesthetics] because there will be that retard which says "ermm actually there is no most important type of collagen, you would die without alot of them"

[We will completely be ignoring collagen type 2 in this guide and act like it does not exist]
Microneedling stimulates all types of collagen from 1-7, Retinol does the same except for type 6, and Accutane just gets mogged by both since it only stimulates type 1, 3 and 5, and even then it's stimulation is very limited. It only stimulates type 1 to a moderate degree which doesn't matter since both Retinol and Microneedling strongly stimulate type 1 collagen so it get's mogged at the only thing it's good at when it comes to derma-collagen. So topical Retinol is the main contender against Microneedling when it comes to stimulating derma-collagen, therefore we will compare them both.

Spoiler: Comparing Microneedling and Retinol when it comes to stimulating the production of different collagen types

Spoiler: Tl;Dr for the collagen types comparisons

[REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY REGARDING DERMA-COLLAGEN]

Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

COLLAGEN TYPE 1:
Microneedling mogs Retinol in Collagen type 1 stimulation, though Retinol still strongly stimulates type 1 in the skin, just not to the degree of Microneedling. As you probably know, plastic surgery was invented to treat disfigured veterans after WWI. 95% of beauty products/methods are just repurposed medical products/methods. The medicine side of biology discovers a new molecule/surgery method/some protein or peptide or whatever, and the beauty industry looks at it and says "oo I can use that", which is where Microneedling comes from. Microneedling was first used [and still is] to treat wounds and scars, and skin conditions like Epidermolysis Bullosa. And through studies on those types of wounds and on Microneedling we know that Microneedle Induces deeper fibroblast activity and remodeling via wound healing to such a degree that I don't think a topical or ingestable product will ever be in the market that will stimulate collagen 1 more than Microneedling does.

For Collagen 1, Microneedling mogs to gandy, though you guys shouldn't underestimate Retinol's ability to stimulate it aswell.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- "Compared to the baseline, collagen types I, III, and VII, as well as newly synthesized collagen... showed a statistically significant increase (P < 0.05) in response to treatment.
https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/full...s_evaluation_of_microneedling_therapy.80.aspx [though this one's done on animals]
Retinol: https://www.mdpi.com/2079-9284/3/4/35
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type I collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 3:
Microneedling again, mogs Retinol here. Microneedling stimulates collagen type 3 almost as much as it does type 1, poor Retinol's ability to stimulate collagen 3 doesn't come as very close to it's ability to stimulate collagen type 3. THOUGH THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T STIMULATE COLLAGEN 3 TO A MODERATE DEGREE. Microneedling just has more of a consistent increase of collagen type 3 through dermal healing cascade, which has been proven through studies.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Same as the first study in collagen 1 + https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3921236/
- "New type III collagen fibers integrate into the existing skin matrix without any trace of fibrotic tissue."
Retinol: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2045685/
- "Topical ROL treatment increases Type III collagen expression, the major structural protein in the skin."

COLLAGEN TYPE 4:
Retinol mogs Microneedling in Collagen type 4 stimulation. Microneedling only mildly stimulates it though I don't believe that's an issue because it doesn't directly contribute to skin aesthetics and is nowhere near as important as type 1 or 7.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: Could not find a specific one for Microneedling. Usually I would assume that means it doesn't boost it at all, though when 1 type of collagen in the skin is stimulates, type 4 will always be more stimulated aswell.
Retinol: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ics.12250
- Can't find a good quote from this since alot of it is big smart biology words that us looksmaxxers don't care about

COLLAGEN TYPE 5 & 6:
We don't really care about these 2 just know Microneedling is MUCH MUCH better than Retinol at increasing these 2 types of collagen.
COLLAGEN TYPE 7:
Now I do actually believe Retinol does increase this type of collagen because they are alot of studies that say "Retinol yadda yadda yadda.. increases type 7 collagen and blah blah blah" but there is no study which purpose is to show it increases type 4 collagen, nor is there a study that CITES a study that does this that I can quote.
What this means: Retinol definitley DOES increase type 7 collagen in my opinion, just from my biology knowledge and the studies I've eyeballed though whether it's significant or consistent I have no idea.
For Microneedling it does, studies have shown Microneedling regenerates type 7 collagen in damaged skin during healing, so for that I'm going to say Microneedling mogs Retinol in the collagen 7 stimulation department.

Spoiler: Studies supporting

Microneedling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26096653/
- I have cited this study before in this guide so no need to quote

Retinol: ?????

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Accutane is actually pretty mid and increasing derma-collagen, it's really goated for acne but when it comes to derma-collagen [the collagen in your skin], Retinol is actually better
Comparing Microneedling and Retinol, Microneedling is much better at increasing derma-collagen. Microneedling increases derma-collagen production by 400%
For the different collagen types:
Collagen type 1: MIcroneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol still strongly stimulates it
Collagen type 3: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though Retinol moderately stimulates it. Microneedling stimulates type 1 more than 3 though.
Collagen type 4: Retinol stimulates it more than Microneedling, though it doesn't matter since collagen 4 is not really that important in skin aesthetics
Collagen type 5: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 6: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though we don't really care about this type of collagen
Collagen type 7: Microneedling stimulates it more than Retinol, though there isn't really enough studies on Retinol's effect on this type of collagen.

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How do I actually Microneedle?:
This section of the guide will be a polished reformatted version of this one. Reason I'm basically remastering it instead of just providing the link is because it's genuine eye cancer to look at and I don't want my readers to go blind.
Also there is quite a bit that the guide linked gets wrong like needing disinfrectant spray and the price of the pen and many more.

What you will need:
Face wipes - 20 wipes will be 2 euros so 0.10 euros per treatment
Microneedling pen - 55 euro
Numbing cream with Licodaine AND prilocaine [2.5% each] - Under a euro's worth per treatment [maybe 0.90 euros]
Microneedle cartridge - 0.4 euros per cartridge if you buy in bulk
[40 euro for 100 cartidges, though when you buy the dermapen you will recieve about 5 which should cover you for 5 months anyways]

Per treatment cost after initial buying of the dermapen - 1.4 euros only
Recommended additions:
Medical gloves [to stop bacteria from hands] - 0.10 euros per pair per treatment
Hyaluronic Acid [preferably from L'Oreal though that's my bias] - .50 per treatment

Per treatment cost if you don't cheap out and use recommended additions- 2.0 euros only

Keep in mind before you start, you should only microneedle every 28 days. Any more lessens results, any less will cause side effects.​

Step 1:
DO NOT DO THE TREATMENT IF IN THE LAST 8 HOURS YOU'VE USED ANY SKINCARE OR FACIAL PRODUCT
Wipe your face with the face wipes. Water is not enough, you must use them. To balance the pH of your skin, to remove bacteria, to avoid skin irritation, everything.

Step 2 [Optional]:
Wash your hands, dry them, put on the medical gloves.
The gloves are optional, washing your hands isn't. WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS TO AVOID SKIN IRRITATION

Step 3:
Apply the numbing cream to your face. If you think you're adding too little you probably are. MICRONEEDLING HURTS. Even during the first treatment when you've applied the numbing cream there will be some parts of the skin that will sting anyways, remember which parts so you can add more cream in those areas in the next treatments. Make sure every millimetre of your skin is lightly coated in the numbing cream.
WAIT 30 MINUTES FOR IT TO DRY AND ABSORB INTO YOUR SKIN BEFORE CONTINUING

Step 4:
If there is still any numbing cream left, remove it VERY GENTLY, as light as possible with face wipes, then again wait for your face to dry from the face wipes.
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution
Put a new cartridge into your dermapen, NEVER REUSE A CARTRIDGE, EVEN IF YOU CLEANSE IT. AFTER ONE USE THE NEEDLES WILL BE DULL. THEY'RE ONE USE ONLY.
Put your dermapen deepness at 1.5mm, and about 2 speed. You may differ from this as time goes on if you prefer, for example now adays I do it at 4 speed for face and 2 speed for nose, eyebrows and undereyes.

First the Forehead

Dark Purple lines: You will want to go down across from your entire Forehead like this
Hot Pink lines: Then across the entire forehead like this. Make sure every square centimetre has been microneedled
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DO THIS ONCE FOR PURPLE AND RED AREA DESCRIBED BELOW, DO THIS TWICE FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE EVERY SQUARE MILLIEMETRE OF YOUR FOREHEAD SHOULD BE MICRONEEDLED

Using this method of down then across, then down then across again. You will do this method to your entire face in this order:
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IN THIS ORDER:
The speed, deepness and order only applies to first and maybe second treatment. From then on you can change it suiting to what you prefer.
1ST AREA: HOT PINK
FOREHEAD
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

2ND AREA: DARK BLUE
LEFT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

3RD AREA: GREEN
BOTTOM OF FACE [not including lips, don't microneedle them at all]
1.0MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

4TH AREA: LIGHT BLUE
RIGHT SIDE OF FACE [except zygos should be 1.0mm]
1.5MM DEEPNESS, 2 SPEED

5TH AREA: RED
EYEBROWS, UNDER EYES AND NOSE
0.5MM DEEPNESS, 1 SPEED.

If your skin ever bleeds during, do not worry, just quickly wipe it with face wipes.

Step 5:
[Optional] Coat every millimetre of your skin with Hyaluronic acid solution again
Your skin will look Red/pinkish now. That's to be expected. It will stay like that for 1-2 days so preferably do it on Friday when weekend approaching. Trust me, it will be worth it.
Your treatment is now finished by this step.
DO NOT WASH YOUR FACE WITH WATER. DO NOT SHOWER. DO NOT SLEEP WITH ANY SIDE OF YOUR FACE TOUCHING THE BED. DO NOT GO OUTSIDE WHEN IT'S WINDY. DO NOT USE ANY SKINCARE OR PRODUCT ON YOUR FACE
After 24 hours and only after 24 hours may you put LUKEWARM water on your face and shower
[Try not to get any shampoo that touches your hair to touch your face, look up to have the shampoo fall down the back of your body. Shower with low water pressure]
After 48 hours you may start putting products back on your face.

MAKE SURE NOT TO TAKE ANY BLOOD THINNERS LIKE IBUPROFEN, OMEGA-3 OR TOPICAL VITAMIN SOLUTIONS 48 HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER MICRONEEDLING. THIS WILL FUCK U UP.

PAIN
From experience, this is the most painful parts of the face to microneedle, and therefore the parts of the face you should put more numbing cream on, in order
This will vary from person to person

1. Nose
Hurts the most. When I started I didn't use to put numbing cream. The nose is literally impossible to microneedle without numbing cream, it's like you're torturing youself. Imagine plucking out your nose hair, now imaging plucking out 10 nose hairs in the same spot every 0.2 seconds, that's how it feels like. I unironically skipped microneedling it until I got numbing cream.
ALWAYS USE NUMBING CREAM. It doesn't hurt if you put enough numbing cream btw.

2. Above the lips
Directly above the lips hurts the Second most, not as much as nose but still stings if you don't put numbing cream, so put numbing cream.

3. Undereyes
You should put as much numbing cream as you put on your nose, because of it's thinness, the under eyes have a harder time absorbing cream as the skin above the lips.

4. Forehead
Without numbing cream it's very discomforting to microneedlie.

5. The brows and to the sides of them
The skin of your eyebrows, even though covered with hair, is actually extremely sensitive. You might notice this when going to the beach and the salty water starts making your eyebrows sting. They don't hurt as much as nose because they're covered with hair but yes you should put numbing cream even on your eyebrows too.

6. Sides of face
Doesn't really hurt at all, and numbing cream essentially gaurantees no pain, especially the jaw.

7. Chin
Same as sides of face except even less pain tbh.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr for this section, every word in this section is vital.
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How do I Microneedle my Scalp?:
Apply the knowledge in the previous section, the only difference is
You can do it once a week instead of every 28 days
You CANNOT APPLY PRODUCTS like you can with skin, what I mean by this is with skin you can apply products like Hyaluronic Acid or anything else that normally has a hard time bypassing the top layer of your skin. With scalp the product you probably have in mind is topical minoxidil, finasteride and dutasteride. The reason you do not want that is they already cause skin irritation issues, so you would really want to not apply them within 24 hours both before and after microneedling. Don't worry, the benefits of that microneedling session will outway the 48 hours of not applying whatever product.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Scalp same as face but you can do it every 7 days. Don't apply any hair products on scalp within 28 hours of microneedling both before and after

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What Dermapen to Buy?:
I would only ever buy Dr. Pen dermapens. All the other pens on the market are literally just unbranded versions of this pen [Clones] or branded clones but branded by some random brand you've never heard of probably called something like EverLife or some shit.
I would recommend the Dr. Pen M8. It's usually under 50 GBP/Euros. Don't buy the expensive Dr. pens because those are specially made for clinics. They literally put AI in the pens to learn from the clinician's hand movements and shit which obviously autistic looksmaxxer in his room won't need. And honestly even though I have the money I don't plan on buying it either.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A DR.PEN MICRONEEDLING PEN, MAKE SURE NOT TO BUY IT FROM 3RD PARTY AND THAT THE SELLER IS DR. PEN THEMSELVES WHETHER YOU'RE ON ALIEXPRESS, EBAY OR ONBUY.
And no referral link to prove I'm not recommending them for money

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Just buy the Dr. Pen M8. Make sure the vendor is Dr. Pen themselves whether you're buying it on Aliexpress, eBay, their own site, Amazon, whatever.

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Helps products that Can't penetrate skin normally go past the top layer of the skin.
If you are interested in this subject I recommend reading my Hyaluronic Acid guide, it was actually a precursor to this one

In-depth HYALURONIC ACID GUIDE - Smart niggas only.

AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH THIS GUIDE, YOU ARE PROBABLY INTIMIDATED AT THE COMPLICATED WORDS YOU ARE SEEING. DO NOT WORRY. AS LONG AS YOU USE AN AI ASSISTANT [fully serious] LIKE DEEPSEEK, ChatGPT, GEMENI, GROK ETC. WHILST READING THIS YOU SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE...

looksmax.org

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

No Tl;Dr since you should only really read the guide linked if you're actually interested

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Side Effects:
I will not be listing the side effects like redness and skin irritation since you're literally stabbing yourself with microneedles so obviously .
It goes away after 2 days max so no point in talking about it.

Infection
Will not happen if you follow my step by step. This will really ever happen with improper use. It's the thing Clinics use to try and get people to microneedle at their clinic instead of at home but it's really not a risk at all if you're not braindead, use face wipes on your face, wash your hands and don't reuse cartridges.

Scarring
Will not happen with improper use. I really only see this happening if you Microneedle too regularly which as I said before, do it every 28 days, no less no more [though missing by a few days is nothing to be scared of], if you maybe microneedle the same spot over and over too much in a session. And if you use way too much depth for

Skin pigmentation changed [that isn't hyperpigmentation going away]
Same as scarring

Nerve damage
This is LITERALLY impossible if you follow my step by step. The most shallow nerve in the face is 2.9mm deep, and I told you guys to go 1.5mm deep so again, if you follow my step by step, this is literally impossible.

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Most of these are little to no risk if you follow my step by step. Nerve damage is impossible if you follow my step by step.

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BONUS CONTENT: DERMAROLLERS AND DERMASTAMPS


Dermaroller.
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Dermacopers. These things are fucking garbage. Look back at the side effects section.
Infection - I am not even kidding when I say dermarolling will have 1,000 times the chance to cause skin infection as microneedling. I personally NEVER reuse a cartridge and you should NEVER reuse them too. Now imagine reusing the same cartridge every month no matter how dull it becomes. Now imagine never even disinfecting it. That is how the average dermaroller user uses their dermaroller.
Scarring -
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Look at this diagramn which shows the difference between Microneedling. Because the dermaroller ROLLS when the needles in the dermaroller moves with the wheel, it literally widens the hole it made. I do not need to tell you how much this increases the chance of scarring and infection

Skin pigmentation and Nerves - same as scarring again tbh
Btw you don't need to disinfect microneedling cartridges unless you retardedly decide to reuse them which again, me personally i would never do and have never done.
Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

They're fucking cope bro what can I say

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Dermastamp
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The stuff I've heard about the women who originally made the dermastamp is INSANE. Apperently she used the credit card and shipping address info of reviewers who reviewed it bad to dox them and shit?

That aside, I don't see the appeal of them over dermapens. The face isnt a 2 dimensional objects, it has curves, protrusions, it goes deeper in some places. The derma pen allows you to be much more direct instead of just doing it in a general area. I feel like this would either partly or completely miss the deep parts of wrinkles, laugh lines, some acne scars and nasiolabial folds

Tl;Dr:

Spoiler: Tl;Dr

Doesn't allow you to be direct, would probably miss the deep parts of wrinkles and acne scars and shit.

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Why did I write this thread?

I wrote this in the space of about 6 hours which is nothing. This thread is detailed, well researched, talks about everything you could possibly want to know about the subject, actually helpful and insightful, touches a topic that really needs to be talked more about on this site [microneedling], talks from actual experience, and it only took 6 hours. It's not that hard.Why do you guys keep releasing shitty threads and calling them mega guides? THIS is a megaguide. Do better guys.

Ask any questions in the comments and I am sure to answer them.


The BB code of this thread incase you wish to use it as a template: https://pastecode.io/s/ikup37jy

Why this masterpiece is not in BOTB?

 

[killyourselfASAP]

read every word, shud be botb asap
im low dosing isotret, should i stop it before or after microneedling sesh?

 

[seven?]

will read later

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

read every word, shud be botb asap
im low dosing isotret, should i stop it before or after microneedling sesh?

you shouldn't microneedle if you have acne, only very mild acne

 

[killyourselfASAP]

you shouldn't microneedle if you have acne, only very mild acne

na i dont have acne, just using for maintenance

 

[killyourselfASAP]

also howll my skin survive without moisturizer for 48 hours

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

also howll my skin survive without moisturizer for 48 hours

Woman’s Face Deteriorates Into Grey, Cracked Husk After Missing Single Day Of Skincare Routine

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