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[Benjibanks]

So I've been posting for a bit and i've basically been told i look like shit. I have some slim hope of fixing things with a double jaw surgery which im waiting for right now but i still feel as though i will just look 'different but not better' I've almost deleted my social media and cut off everyone i know because of this and im feeling like there isn't any point to anything other than going to work and basically being a bugman im completely miserable. I don't know why im writing this but I just want to know if there is anything i can do to get to a 5 without surgery, or if there isn't if the surgery has at least a decent chance of raising me to a 5 or more.

 

[St. Wristcel]

Normie

 

[Deleted member 7076]

don't get surgery unless you feel minimal to no fat on your face. Right now you're bloated asf, you don't know what you actually look like with bones popping out

 

[Benjibanks]

don't get surgery unless you feel minimal to no fat on your face. Right now you're bloated asf, you don't know what you actually look like with bones popping out

Ok im really getting annoyed because everyone says im bloated but i swear on my life i don't feel like there is any bones under the fat so i don't feel like it will make a difference. Basically im asking are you sure that im bloated enough to not know how i really look. Beleive me id love to just lose weight and transform but it sounds too good to be true

 

[freeone12]

Better haircut, asap

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

your eye area sucks bad and will be hard to fix. also narrow mouth + small lips

 

[$tackThatMoney]

How tall are you?

 

[aspieSavage]

Nigga u a mentalcel

 

[Benjibanks]

How tall are you?

6 foot barefoot so 6'1 in shoes i guess

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Low tier normie with BDD. Get lean, fix your mind and social life.
After those maybe surgery but not as the first option.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

So I've been posting for a bit and i've basically been told i look like shit. I have some slim hope of fixing things with a double jaw surgery which im waiting for right now but i still feel as though i will just look 'different but not better' I've almost deleted my social media and cut off everyone i know because of this and im feeling like there isn't any point to anything other than going to work and basically being a bugman im completely miserable. I don't know why im writing this but I just want to know if there is anything i can do to get to a 5 without surgery, or if there isn't if the surgery has at least a decent chance of raising me to a 5 or more.


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You can do something, but not in a traditional way
It's either surgery or fillers at the very least. Eyes in first pic look really bad. But otherwise lower tier normie?

 

[Benjibanks]

Low tier normie with BDD. Get lean, fix your mind and social life.
After those maybe surgery but not as the first option.

How do i have bdd if im low tier. Fuck off

 

[$tackThatMoney]

6 foot barefoot so 6'1 in shoes i guess

Completely in your head then.

Get as close to 10% BF as you can, get a haircut (short sides, longer on top is best).

If you do those two things and sort through whatever psychological difficulties you're having in a pursuit to become NT, you can easily be a top 20% man.

Good luck, feel free to PM me if you want to talk to someone without judgement.

Best.

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

How do i have bdd if im low tier. Fuck off

Low tier normie is good tbh. You're human level and you can get a gf with red pill stuff, no need for surgeries. And you might become a better tier normie with softmaxxing.

 

[Benjibanks]

You can do something, but not in a traditional way
It's either surgery or fillers at the very least. Eyes in first pic look really bad. But otherwise lower tier normie?

what do you mean not in a traditional way? and why the question mark. I'm telling you i honestly dont want to be a clown and that's all that's waiting for me as a normie especially a low tier one

 

[Benjibanks]

Low tier normie is good tbh. You're human level and you can get a gf with red pill stuff, no need for surgeries. And you might become a better tier normie with softmaxxing.

uhhh how? What's my psl then? What's a chad or chadlites psl. How are you saying im ok as a low tier when that's two or three deviations away from goodlooking.

 

[6’1cel]

So I've been posting for a bit and i've basically been told i look like shit. I have some slim hope of fixing things with a double jaw surgery which im waiting for right now but i still feel as though i will just look 'different but not better' I've almost deleted my social media and cut off everyone i know because of this and im feeling like there isn't any point to anything other than going to work and basically being a bugman im completely miserable. I don't know why im writing this but I just want to know if there is anything i can do to get to a 5 without surgery, or if there isn't if the surgery has at least a decent chance of raising me to a 5 or more.


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your eyes are shit but you have a decent pheno
mid tier normie 4psl
you will have to try hard to get women but it is possible

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

uhhh how? What's my psl then? What's a chad or chadlites psl. How are you saying im ok as a low tier when that's two or three deviations away from goodlooking.

Most people aren't gl. You could very well become reasonably gl without surgery. TBH you know your looks level from the amount of female attention you're getting.

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

your eyes mouth harmony sucks cawk

 

[Deleted member 10536]

what do you mean not in a traditional way? and why the question mark. I'm telling you i honestly dont want to be a clown and that's all that's waiting for me as a normie especially a low tier one

Traditional way being - get nicer pictures, better haircut, better outfit or a shower. I don't see it helping.
Question mark is because it seems so to me, but I don't feel confident enough in judging. It's just my guess~approximation.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Ok im really getting annoyed because everyone says im bloated but i swear on my life i don't feel like there is any bones under the fat so i don't feel like it will make a difference. Basically im asking are you sure that im bloated enough to not know how i really look. Beleive me id love to just lose weight and transform but it sounds too good to be true

I went from 3PSL to 5.5 because I leaned my face to no fat on it. Just fucking leanmax everyone i see looks bloated

 

[Benjibanks]

Most people aren't gl. You could very well become reasonably gl without surgery. TBH you know your looks level from the amount of female attention you're getting.

in la they are or they get treated like clowns. I've had girls want to talk to me but since I learned about all this shit i've been gradually losing any desire to follow up. TBH I feel like any compliments i've gotten were all fake trying to be polite shit

 

[Benjibanks]

I went from 3PSL to 5.5 because I leaned my face to no fat on it. Just fucking leanmax everyone i see looks bloated

You have pics or posts I can see? What's my psl now in your opinion. I just wanna take advantage of some money i came into and make the right choices to get to be objectively GL. Also are you saying it's not over and hopeless for me?

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

in la they are or they get treated like clowns. I've had girls want to talk to me but since I learned about all this shit i've been gradually losing any desire to follow up. TBH I feel like any compliments i've gotten were all fake trying to be polite shit

Life is cruel. Can't do anything about it really. Cope, ascend or rope. Everything is trying to change you.
Just choose a lane and go with it. It is what you make of it.

I believe this world is literally hell.

 

[Benjibanks]

Traditional way being - get nicer pictures, better haircut, better outfit or a shower. I don't see it helping.
Question mark is because it seems so to me, but I don't feel confident enough in judging. It's just my guess~approximation.

I just got a hair cut and it looks like shit because of my face. Legit the hair is a tik tok model guy looking hair cut it looks great. My face doesn't go with it though

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Okay I need to start recommending this more. Anyone with a shit eye area (like yours) should book an online consultation with Taban for 300$. He will be able to tell you how it realistically can be improved. If he tells you no viable options exist then at least you know you can move on to looking at other flaws. You said you have the money so 300$ dont seem that much

 

[Deleted member 5746]

it didnt have to be over for u just on the basis of your looks, so ur inceldom is the result of a lot of things combined together where looks do play a factor, but probably not the deciding factor

 

[Benjibanks]

Okay I need to start recommending this more. Anyone with a shit eye area (like yours) should book an online consultation with Taban for 300$. He will be able to tell you how it realistically can be improved. If he tells you no viable options exist then at least you know you can move on to looking at other flaws

I'm already looking at Taban's site. I don't think office is open till monday but i am going to contact him. I'm just annoyed because I was told by others here that my eye area was ok. One guy said i had good under eye support

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I just got a hair cut and it looks like shit because of my face. Legit the hair is a tik tok model guy looking hair cut it looks great. My face doesn't go with it though

Ye as I said it's not about haircut for you. Tbh I see guys like you with gfs, but no clue how they do it. I don't see a way. Sorry, not to shit on you or anything. But you're here already, so can only go up.

 

[Benjibanks]

it didnt have to be over for u just on the basis of your looks, so ur inceldom is the result of a lot of things combined together where looks do play a factor, but probably not the deciding factor

I'm not incel tho. I just want to be good looking because where im at these days I'm gonna wind up being a loser to everyone around me if I'm not 5 psl plus. Which is appartently like an 8 irl

 

[Deleted member 7076]

You have pics or posts I can see? What's my psl now in your opinion. I just wanna take advantage of some money i came into and make the right choices to get to be objectively GL. Also are you saying it's not over and hopeless for me?

i sent u my transformation. im not rating anyones PSL unless they have minimal fat on their face, theres no point.

 

[Benjibanks]

Ye as I said it's not about haircut for you. Tbh I see guys like you with gfs, but no clue how they do it. I don't see a way. Sorry, not to shit on you or anything. But you're here already, so can only go up.

I've had girls say i was cute and I've had girls try and flirt with me. But I hate the way i look and it fucks with me. Only thing that would make sense is that I take horrific pictures and I don't look bad irl but I seriously doubt that.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I've had girls say i was cute and I've had girls try and flirt with me. But I hate the way i look and it fucks with me. Only thing that would make sense is that I take horrific pictures and I don't look bad irl but I seriously doubt that.

Then idk. You had/have opportunities, why not take them? Where is the problem then?

 

[Benjibanks]

i sent u my transformation. im not rating anyones PSL unless they have minimal fat on their face, theres no point.

Nice transformation you didn't do anything but lose weight though? It looks like you added jaw and cheek bone somehow is why im asking.

 

[Gayalienmax]

So I've been posting for a bit and i've basically been told i look like shit. I have some slim hope of fixing things with a double jaw surgery which im waiting for right now but i still feel as though i will just look 'different but not better' I've almost deleted my social media and cut off everyone i know because of this and im feeling like there isn't any point to anything other than going to work and basically being a bugman im completely miserable. I don't know why im writing this but I just want to know if there is anything i can do to get to a 5 without surgery, or if there isn't if the surgery has at least a decent chance of raising me to a 5 or more.


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Looks fine tbh lose fat and remove your eyes jfl

 

[Benjibanks]

Then idk. You had/have opportunities, why not take them? Where is the problem then?

They might have just been being nice because I've seen them act towards this one guy thats short but everyone says he's gorgeous. So I decicded I didn't wanna humiliate myself. The good looking guy definitely acts better than me but I honestly felt and still feel like i would be laughed at if it tried to mimic him

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Nice transformation you didn't do anything but lose weight though? It looks like you added jaw and cheek bone somehow is why im asking.

1. lean face
2. hair
3. skin
thats it

 

[Benjibanks]

Looks fine tbh lose fat and remove your eyes jfl

Not a single person has brought up my maxilla today which confuses me. No one told me shit about my eyes compared to the big deal made out of my maxilla on every other post ive ever done

 

[Benjibanks]

1. lean face
2. hair
3. skin
thats it

Did you go through puberty or something because you looked like a kid in the first pic. Also I got a haircut yesterday, great cut didn't help me because I still look like shit. I'm losing weight while lifting and taking protein so i don't lose muscle. Using retin a on my skin as well as eating carrots. Don't know what to do beyond that. Oh aside from the jaw surgery that I'm setting up but it's going to take over a month to get it set up so I can decide to go through with it or not when im leaner.

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

okay much better pic. If Im honest your eyes are still bad shape wise and size and you wont really be able to change that. They also seem NCT tough Taban should be able to address that. Your nose could definitely be improved as well but I would look at your mouth and lips next. They just look incel ngl

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Did you go through puberty or something because you looked like a kid in the first pic. Also I got a haircut yesterday, great cut didn't help me because I still look like shit. I'm losing weight while lifting and taking protein so i don't lose muscle. Using retin a on my skin as well as eating carrots. Don't know what to do beyond that. Oh aside from the jaw surgery that I'm setting up but it's going to take over a month to get it set up so I can decide to go through with it or not when im leaner.

dude the pics were 5 months apart how could puberty do that. im just gonna say to you, 90% of the improvement was from losing the face fat through fasting and cutting carbs from my diet. good luck

 

[Gayalienmax]

Not a single person has brought up my maxilla today which confuses me. No one told me shit about my eyes compared to the big deal made out of my maxilla on every other post ive ever done

Its okay in the side profile i guess your eyes failo much harder sorry bro

 

[Benjibanks]

okay much better pic. If Im honest your eyes are still bad shape wise and size and you wont really be able to change that. They also seem NCT tough Taban should be able to address that. Your nose could definitely be improved as well but I would look at your mouth and lips next. They just look incel ngl

Here's what gets me. I haven't been treating like a psl 3 or 2 like im being told around here. But because you guys are telling the truth and not motivated to lie to me I feel like maybe the people irl are just being 'nice' I even had one girl say i have 'dreamer eyes' and yes she meant it in a good way. I'm basically having disonance because im hearing two different things.

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

Here's what gets me. I haven't been treating like a psl 3 or 2 like im being told around here. But because you guys are telling the truth and not motivated to lie to me I feel like maybe the people irl are just being 'nice' I even had one girl say i have 'dreamer eyes' and yes she meant it in a good way. I'm basically having disonance because im hearing two different things.

you dont have flaws normies could pick out easily. To them your just average. Not like the obvious crooked nose or recessed chin. Your eyes might have looked dreamy alright but objectively speaking theyre not attractive it is what t is

 

[Benjibanks]

okay much better pic. If Im honest your eyes are still bad shape wise and size and you wont really be able to change that. They also seem NCT tough Taban should be able to address that. Your nose could definitely be improved as well but I would look at your mouth and lips next. They just look incel ngl

also i feel like its just a swuinting thing for my eyes. I don't know how much it comes down to my expression but my eyes are probably just shit tier

 

[Sanrio4ACAB]

normie face lul

 

[Benjibanks]

you dont have flaws normies could pick out easily. To them your just average. Not like the obvious crooked nose or recessed chin. Your eyes might have looked dreamy alright but objectively speaking theyre not attractive it is what t is

Uhh ok the whole point is that normal people still see hot guys as hot though so that's my problem. I've talked to a plastic surgeon she offered fillers. Should I just have a fuck ton of jaw and chin fillers? I know people love henry cavills looks but around here he gets shit over his eye area. My point is can i ascend past a 5 psl if I fix other parts of my face

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

a better nose tip might give you a few decimals but from these front pics another things thats really apparent is your incel mouth lip philtrum area

 

[Benjibanks]

a better nose tip might give you a few decimals but from these front pics another things thats really apparent is your incel mouth lip philtrum area

Is maxilla gonna fix that? I'm supposed to get a MMA which is basically double jaw surgery moving my maxilla and mandible forward

 

[Benjibanks]

Its okay in the side profile i guess your eyes failo much harder sorry bro

I've been told i have the worse maxilla some of the posters have ever seen. I don't know what to do I'd do just about anything im ready to go in for double jaw surgery but that still won't be enough.