Midface Changes

[ChristianF]

Dear @RealSurgerymax

Do you think it would be possible to just decrease the middle third by:

decreasing the nose tip conservatively doing a lip lift + lip reduction to raise the lips upwards (could be associated with Lefort 1 + impaction in people with gummy smile)

Bones underneath wouldn’t change (excluding lefort1) BUT the soft tissues changes would give the impression of a shorter midface.

thank you

 

[Deleted member 16989]

Yes it is possible especially if you have drooped nose. .. also you philtrum will get bigger and you can also fix that thing with Lip lift.

 

[Need2Ascend]

It's 2022 and people still cope with surgery for looks uff

 

[ChristianF]

Yes it is possible especially if you have drooped nose. .. also you philtrum will get bigger and you can also fix that thing with Lip lift.

Exactly what I was thinking! Of course it always depends from your starting point: if one’s nose is very very long, the correction wouldn’t solve the problem 100% but it would still be better than nothing

 

[Deleted member 16989]

Exactly what I was thinking! Of course it always depends from your starting point: if one’s nose is very very long, the correction wouldn’t solve the problem 100% but it would still be better than nothing

Yes. The shit tip can give your nose extra length and it can hide your philtrum length.

 

[one job away]

Yes. The shit tip can give your nose extra length and it can hide your philtrum length.

Yeah for me it’s like that. My philtrum appears shorter due to my droopy tip. Fixing my tip will make my philtrum look longer which is bad.

 

[ChristianF]

It’s crazy how in beauty everything is connected like a Sudoku.
You change one thing and you worsen another one. But if you get everything correct you’re golden.

 

[Deleted member 16989]

Yeah for me it’s like that. My philtrum appears shorter due to my droopy tip. Fixing my tip will make my philtrum look longer which is bad.

Long philtrum is not actually that bad.. Many good looking chad have it.. for example Cavil, Crhis hermsworth. Ian somerhalder.. Its only failo when it goes beyond the ideal level.

 

[Deleted member 16934]

Yes you can do this but you have to make sure the lip lift doesn’t give you a gay feminine look after

 

[Mewton]

Nose reduction would be most beneficial in cases like this

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Combined with sliding genio, even better

But what about this sort of longmidfaces? I have the same problem but not to this extent
Does this guy have any hope at all?

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[Deleted member 16934]

Nose reduction would be most beneficial in cases like this

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ibb.co

Combined with sliding genio, even better

But what about this sort of longmidfaces? I have the same problem but not to this extent
Does this guy have any hope at all?

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ibb.co

His nose is way too long to be saved. No hope for him

 

[one job away]

Long philtrum is not actually that bad.. Many good looking chad have it.. for example Cavil, Crhis hermsworth. Ian somerhalder.. Its only failo when it goes beyond the ideal level.

My philatrum is defenitly short overall but it still always looks better with a shorter one instead of longer. But probably autism

 

[Deleted member 16989]

Nose reduction would be most beneficial in cases like this

IMG-20220121-163331 hosted at ImgBB

Image IMG-20220121-163331 hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

Combined with sliding genio, even better

But what about this sort of longmidfaces? I have the same problem but not to this extent
Does this guy have any hope at all?

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Image Screenshot-2022-01-21-16-53-01-65 hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

He is also recessed as fuck. Does bimax help make Midface smaller?

 

[Mewton]

He is also recessed as fuck. Does bimax help make Midface smaller?

It doesn't actually reduce midface but forward grown midface appears short than a recessed one of same length
A simple example

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The right line is even a bit longer

 

[ChristianF]

It shortens midface IF you have a gummy smile, which is defined by the medical literature as “maxillary excess”.
It’s an excessive vertical growth of the maxilla.
The procedure I’m taking about though shortens the midface on a SKELETAL level, if you want visible changes you need to undergo a lip lift as well.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Dear @RealSurgerymax

Do you think it would be possible to just decrease the middle third by:

decreasing the nose tip conservatively doing a lip lift + lip reduction to raise the lips upwards (could be associated with Lefort 1 + impaction in people with gummy smile)

Bones underneath wouldn’t change (excluding lefort1) BUT the soft tissues changes would give the impression of a shorter midface.

thank you

Really gonna ask this without pics?

 

[ChristianF]

The guy I’m about to post is perfect the way he is. But considering an average of his facial features, what would you think?

Really gonna ask this without pics?

 

[ChristianF]

It gives me an error when loading the picture unfortunately

 

[ChristianF]

Justus Eisfeld could be an example (I cannot upload pictures )
his midface ratio is 1 thus perfect, but what would you say (as far as the procedures mentioned above are concerned), considering his features? (nose and lips)
@RealSurgerymax