mike mentzers calorie in calorie out shit is fucking cope

[FiendFiend]

as in the burning fat shit with calorie in calorie out. He said on a show that if u eat 2k calories of sugar and sweets and fat and ur maintenance is like 2.4k u wll lose fat.

Thats fucking bull shit. Cuz ive been eating in a surplus working out, doing 10-15k steps daily, my weight is going up basically every other day and im only getting leaner.

Mike mentzer did make a lot of good points but honestly working out 3 times a week, eating not much protein, eating basically whatever u want but muh train hard, just sounds like snake oils salesmen.

The only thing hes right about is the importance of carbs and high intensity training. Stop taking shit that retard said as dogma though. He was a contrarian who was a nihlist retard who drugged himself to death because muh im sad. Anyone who depressively drinks is NOT a good person. They want u to feel bad for them. Do not.

 

[2chevskuy]

as in the burning fat shit with calorie in calorie out. He said on a show that if u eat 2k calories of sugar and sweets and fat and ur maintenance is like 2.4k u wll lose fat.

Thats fucking bull shit. Cuz ive been eating in a surplus working out, doing 10-15k steps daily, my weight is going up basically every other day and im only getting leaner.

Mike mentzer did make a lot of good points but honestly working out 3 times a week, eating not much protein, eating basically whatever u want but muh train hard, just sounds like snake oils salesmen.

The only thing hes right about is the importance of carbs and high intensity training. Stop taking shit that retard said as dogma though. He was a contrarian who was a nihlist retard who drugged himself to death because muh im sad. Anyone who depressively drinks is NOT a good person. They want u to feel bad for them. Do not.

Denying people of their emotions does not add depth or intelligence to your image

 

[FiendFiend]

Denying people of their emotions does not add depth or intelligence to your image

There is levels to emotions. Some sorry fuck who depressively drinks is fully at fault. Dont help people who cant help themselves. There is literally medication to get you OFF alcohol. Anyone who is drinking in 2026 depressively is a miserable faggot who wants you to feel bad for them.

They depressively drink for a reason. Unless ur an actual war veteran I dont give a fuck if you have alcohol addiction. That shit is not an addiciton.

 

[2chevskuy]

There is levels to emotions. Some sorry fuck who depressively drinks is fully at fault. Dont help people who cant help themselves. There is literally medication to get you OFF alcohol. Anyone who is drinking in 2026 depressively is a miserable faggot who wants you to feel bad for them.

They depressively drink for a reason. Unless ur an actual war veteran I dont give a fuck if you have alcohol addiction. That shit is not an addiciton.

Do you not see the contradiction? You’re acting like you could objectify what suffering legitimises alcohol addiction. I could be a shitty person too, I could say “muh these people bombed innocents and raped children, they don’t deserve anything but a death sentence” but that would be just subjective noise
You can’t post hoc rationalise the rightness of drinking
And yes it is an addiction and it’s a consensus. Does it make any of your points less valid? No.
CICO is basic physics

 

[ascendtocl122]

Do you not see the contradiction? You’re acting like you could objectify what suffering legitimises alcohol addiction. I could be a shitty person too, I could say “muh these people bombed innocents and raped children, they don’t deserve anything but a death sentence” but that would be just subjective noise
You can’t post hoc rationalise the rightness of drinking
And yes it is an addiction and it’s a consensus. Does it make any of your points less valid? No.
CICO is basic physics

the human body is not a closed thermodynamic circuit. when you ascend into a htn coal steam engine then lmk about 'physics' in your metabolism LOL

 

[2chevskuy]

the human body is not a closed thermodynamic circuit

Thus we can’t apply physics?

 

[ascendtocl122]

Thus we can’t apply physics?

yes! its silly to believe 'calories in calories out' works for humans because we are chemical systems not thermodynamic ones. calories are an inherently flawed metric and it would be stupid to try and assess the amount of petrol it would take to power a bicyle. which is basically what youre doing

 

[FiendFiend]

Do you not see the contradiction? You’re acting like you could objectify what suffering legitimises alcohol addiction. I could be a shitty person too, I could say “muh these people bombed innocents and raped children, they don’t deserve anything but a death sentence” but that would be just subjective noise
You can’t post hoc rationalise the rightness of drinking
And yes it is an addiction and it’s a consensus. Does it make any of your points less valid? No.
CICO is basic physics

It isnt. If u eat fat and sugar all day, 2k calories, even if ur working out, u will lose muscle mass and beocme fat. Im sorry but thats how it is.

U can run the experiment urself. It isnt tales.

Nothing legitamises alcohol addiction, i just will have some level of sympathy to a war vet who has seen horrifying shit, but a fucking sore loser who loses mr olympia then goes off depressively drinking for years, come on man u want me to feel bad?

My dad was also a sorry ass fuck alcoholic who never spoke to his kids cuz he drank alcohol so much and apperantly he said after he got second place in a boxing comp when he was tryna go pro, he quit and began drinking and became depressed.

What a sorry fuck u must be, to still be hanging onto something like that and beating urself up about it , even though u got second place

Nothing justifies alcoholism, but if ur only and main memories are u killing people and guts spilled everywhere, id see where it comes from. if ur most saddest memory that beats u up is muh getting second place on a top competiiton, your a fucking bitch. He works out like a bitch too and gives out fake info.

Yeah im sorry if ur juicing ur not working out 3 times a week. Hes a compulsive liar i have delt with people like mentzer b4 in my life he just sounds like someone who wants to be the "good guy" so bad, compulsively lies. Its so embarassing.

 

[FiendFiend]

yes! its silly to believe 'calories in calories out' works for humans because we are chemical systems not thermodynamic ones. calories are an inherently flawed metric and it would be stupid to try and assess the amount of petrol it would take to power a bicyle. which is basically what youre doing

it does work in large part, and I do believe in calories to a massive degree, but come on, if u eat 2k calories of fats and sugars u will burn fat? Nah man ur just losing straight muscle, even if u work out every body part that day

Fat burning comes from a calorie deficit, eating low fat and low sugar, and doing some form of physical activity too. I was eating copius amount of calories, worked out, but I walked lots of steps, i gained muscle and became even more and more shredded.

Each macronutrient does something different

 

[2chevskuy]

yes! its silly to believe 'calories in calories out' works for humans because we are chemical systems not thermodynamic ones. calories are an inherently flawed metric and it would be stupid to try and assess the amount of petrol it would take to power a bicyle. which is basically what youre doing

False dichotomy final boss
Chemistry operates within the framework of thermodynamics

 

[eeaghost]

as in the burning fat shit with calorie in calorie out. He said on a show that if u eat 2k calories of sugar and sweets and fat and ur maintenance is like 2.4k u wll lose fat.

Thats fucking bull shit. Cuz ive been eating in a surplus working out, doing 10-15k steps daily, my weight is going up basically every other day and im only getting leaner.

Mike mentzer did make a lot of good points but honestly working out 3 times a week, eating not much protein, eating basically whatever u want but muh train hard, just sounds like snake oils salesmen.

The only thing hes right about is the importance of carbs and high intensity training. Stop taking shit that retard said as dogma though. He was a contrarian who was a nihlist retard who drugged himself to death because muh im sad. Anyone who depressively drinks is NOT a good person. They want u to feel bad for them. Do not.

whole lotta bro science

 

[ascendtocl122]

False dichotomy final boss
Chemistry operates within the framework of thermodynamics

yes, but there is so much leakage in 'calories' as a metric, theres up to 50% accepted error on calorie labels on packaging, and even more so in metabolisation. its stupid to compare the body to a circuit with no leakage when there is so much disparity and error range. its not really comparable

 

[2chevskuy]

It isnt. If u eat fat and sugar all day, 2k calories, even if ur working out, u will lose muscle mass and beocme fat. Im sorry but thats how it is.

U can run the experiment urself. It isnt tales.

Nothing legitamises alcohol addiction, i just will have some level of sympathy to a war vet who has seen horrifying shit, but a fucking sore loser who loses mr olympia then goes off depressively drinking for years, come on man u want me to feel bad?

My dad was also a sorry ass fuck alcoholic who never spoke to his kids cuz he drank alcohol so much and apperantly he said after he got second place in a boxing comp when he was tryna go pro, he quit and began drinking and became depressed.

What a sorry fuck u must be, to still be hanging onto something like that and beating urself up about it , even though u got second place

Nothing justifies alcoholism, but if ur only and main memories are u killing people and guts spilled everywhere, id see where it comes from. if ur most saddest memory that beats u up is muh getting second place on a top competiiton, your a fucking bitch. He works out like a bitch too and gives out fake info.

Yeah im sorry if ur juicing ur not working out 3 times a week. Hes a compulsive liar i have delt with people like mentzer b4 in my life he just sounds like someone who wants to be the "good guy" so bad, compulsively lies. Its so embarassing.

CICO is not “eat sugar and lose fat” you’re attacking a strawman

 

[2chevskuy]

yes, but there is so much leakage in 'calories' as a metric, theres up to 50% accepted error on calorie labels on packaging, and even more so in metabolisation. its stupid to compare the body to a circuit with no leakage when there is so much disparity and error range. its not really comparable

Got a better metric? No? Then what is the point of this entire shit

 

[FiendFiend]

yes, but there is so much leakage in 'calories' as a metric, theres up to 50% accepted error on calorie labels on packaging, and even more so in metabolisation. its stupid to compare the body to a circuit with no leakage when there is so much disparity and error range. its not really comparable

truth lies somewhere in the middle. Calorie theory is largely true then again it really is based on the macronutrients u eat. Thats what i disagree with mentzer on.

If ur eating mainly protein, and u dont eat it in one sitting like a retard. and u do ur steps. U will burn fat from the steps, and since ur eating low fat u will go down in bodyfat %, but since ur working out and eating protein and ur in a surplus, ur going to gain muscle, lose body fat %.

Issue is its a hard diet to stick to thats why niggas dont do it. But it mogs

 

[FiendFiend]

CICO is not “eat sugar and lose fat” you’re attacking a strawman

its literally what mentzer said btw

It isnt a strawman



Its what he said.

Hes fucking retarded. Just admit ur goat is a fucking idiot

 

[ascendtocl122]

truth lies somewhere in the middle. Calorie theory is largely true then again it really is based on the macronutrients u eat. Thats what i disagree with mentzer on.

If ur eating mainly protein, and u dont eat it in one sitting like a retard. and u do ur steps. U will burn fat from the steps, and since ur eating low fat u will go down in bodyfat %, but since ur working out and eating protein and ur in a surplus, ur going to gain muscle, lose body fat %.

Issue is its a hard diet to stick to thats why niggas dont do it. But it mogs

yeah thats what i mean. calories are so wildly unpredictable and potentially wrong that it dosent make sense to use them as a metric. imagine if there was 40% anticipated error for every inch measured? who would ever use that as a measure of measurement

 

[FiendFiend]

yeah thats what i mean. calories are so wildly unpredictable and potentially wrong that it dosent make sense to use them as a metric. imagine if there was 40% anticipated error for every inch measured? who would ever use that as a measure of measurement

yeah counting every calorie is fucking ridiculous. Just do ur cardio or steps, lift as hard as u can, in the UK we have labels that tell u if something is high fat, high sugar whatever

Just literally dont eat anything that is high in any of these but salt, and eat till ur seciated and get high protein items and eat the usual, lean meat, rice. Jfl id rope if i had to count or estimate every calorie i eat im not a fucking slave

 

[ascendtocl122]

yeah counting every calorie is fucking ridiculous. Just do ur cardio or steps, lift as hard as u can, in the UK we have labels that tell u if something is high fat, high sugar whatever

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Just literally dont eat anything that is high in any of these but salt, and eat till ur seciated and get high protein items and eat the usual, lean meat, rice. Jfl id rope if i had to count or estimate every calorie i eat im not a fucking slave

high fat carnivore is the method

 

[2chevskuy]

its literally what mentzer said btw

It isnt a strawman



Its what he said.

Hes fucking retarded. Just admit ur goat is a fucking idiot

There’s nuance broski..

 

[FiendFiend]

There’s nuance broski..

there is no nuance. I didnt hear a stutter.

I also doubt he worked out 3 times a week thats fucking larp, on that much gear? ur taking the piss. I was working out 7 days a w eek on ostarine and put on almost 30lbs of lean muscle tissue.

Ur recovery is so insane on cycle it is literally more beneficial to work out MORE. His theory is absolute bullshit, he obviously didnt do what he preached, he just said outlandish shit, like he said here, to probably make money and get attention.

 

[FiendFiend]

high fat carnivore is the method

i dont metabolize fat well, honestly getting 20-30g of fat a day, most of it coming from animal products is all thats needed. I grew up eating so much fucking animal fat, sour cream, greek yogurts it just made me a skinny fat chud with a beerb elly lol

 

[ascendtocl122]

i dont metabolize fat well, honestly getting 20-30g of fat a day, most of it coming from animal products is all thats needed. I grew up eating so much fucking animal fat, sour cream, greek yogurts it just made me a skinny fat chud with a beerb elly lol

yeah. either go high fat or high carb. trying to do both just up-regulates randall cycle

 

[2chevskuy]

there is no nuance. I didnt hear a stutter.

I also doubt he worked out 3 times a week thats fucking larp, on that much gear? ur taking the piss. I was working out 7 days a w eek on ostarine and put on almost 30lbs of lean muscle tissue.

Ur recovery is so insane on cycle it is literally more beneficial to work out MORE. His theory is absolute bullshit, he obviously didnt do what he preached, he just said outlandish shit, like he said here, to probably make money and get attention.

Man, this shit is about mass gain and loss. If you don’t get the required energy, you’re losing mass.

 

[FiendFiend]

yeah. either go high fat or high carb. trying to do both just up-regulates randall cycle

 

[FiendFiend]

Man, this shit is about mass gain and loss. If you don’t get the required energy, you’re losing mass.

ok but he was talking about fat. not mass why would u also wanna lose mass if ur just losing hardly any fat and mainly muscle? make it make sense bro.

Just admit ur goat was chatting utter shit

 

[2chevskuy]

ok but he was talking about fat. not mass why would u also wanna lose mass if ur just losing hardly any fat and mainly muscle? make it make sense bro.

Just admit ur goat was chatting utter shit

Fat loss is a subset of mass loss. Saying “you can eat mayo and sugar and still lose fat” is not inherently false.

 

[2chevskuy]

ok but he was talking about fat. not mass why would u also wanna lose mass if ur just losing hardly any fat and mainly muscle? make it make sense bro.

Just admit ur goat was chatting utter shit

Like I get where you’re coming from, from practice and that it’s not quite rational to do that. But mentzer didn’t claim it’s high iq to go a mayo only diet did he. He simply stated that it’s theoretically possible to lose fat as long as you get less calories than your tdee

 

[FiendFiend]

Fat loss is a subset of mass loss. Saying “you can eat mayo and sugar and still lose fat” is not inherently false.

ok well thats what he said idk what ur arguing for?

 

[2chevskuy]

ok well thats what he said idk what ur arguing for?

That he’s not an idiot for saying obvious things??

 

[FiendFiend]

Like I get where you’re coming from, from practice and that it’s not quite rational to do that. But mentzer didn’t claim it’s high iq to go a mayo only diet did he. He simply stated that it’s theoretically possible to lose fat as long as you get less calories than your tdee

i mean he did say u would lose fat but then again u would just lose mostly muscle not fat doing that

its the most stupid shit ever. Ur not losing fat, ur losing mass. Not mentioning that ur not losing muscle too (mainly) is just misleading as fuck and beyond retarded.

Thats like asking ur commander, i have sights on 10 terrorists, if i drop this bomb will it kill them? He then says, yeah , it will kill them. But ur literally dropping a nuke that will kill every living thing in a 10 mile radius including civilians

Not mentioning that u will mainly lose muscle is basically lying at this point.

 

[2chevskuy]

i mean he did say u would lose fat but then again u would just lose mostly muscle not fat doing that

its the most stupid shit ever. Ur not losing fat, ur losing mass. Not mentioning that ur not losing muscle too (mainly) is just misleading as fuck and beyond retarded.

Thats like asking ur commander, i have sights on 10 terrorists, if i drop this bomb will it kill them? He then says, yeah , it will kill them. But ur literally dropping a nuke that will kill every living thing in a 10 mile radius including civilians

Not mentioning that u will mainly lose muscle is basically lying at this point.

mentzer didn’t claim it’s high iq to go a mayo only diet

 

[FiendFiend]

@2chevskuy completely failed to see the analogy on why what hes saying is utterly retarded. Its the equivilant of saying if u eat in a 100-200 calorie surplus u will gain fat

its so fukcing stupid

 

[emogymmaxx]

not on PEDS
that’s the turning gear

 

[2chevskuy]

@2chevskuy completely failed to see the analogy on why what hes saying is utterly retarded. Its the equivilant of saying if u eat in a 100-200 calorie surplus u will gain fat

its so fukcing stupid

Again, it wasn’t a dietary recommendation. Guess what, you can eat 20 kilos of cucumbers and lose fat. So what? Is it now super good and optimal? No. Did anyone say it was? Also no.
So what is it, the point you’re making?
That it’s not optimal? He never argued otherwise

 

[FiendFiend]

not on PEDS
that’s the turning gear

lol competing at mr olympia natty? yeah what next? faries are real?

 

[emogymmaxx]

lol competing at mr olympia natty? yeah what next? faries are real?

i just want you to pin bro

 

[FiendFiend]

i just want you to pin bro

i would pin if i wasnt prone to acne. I pinned growth hormone and mt2 before but that dont count ofc it isnt roids

 

[emogymmaxx]

i would pin if i wasnt prone to acne. I pinned growth hormone and mt2 before but that dont count ofc it isnt roids

fair
go read my can’t sleep thread

 

[2chevskuy]

Anyways wanna rep eachother @FiendFiend

 

[gario]

Candy sugar does not have any nutrion. how u are supposed to grown muscle when theren no protein?

 

[King Midas]

as in the burning fat shit with calorie in calorie out. He said on a show that if u eat 2k calories of sugar and sweets and fat and ur maintenance is like 2.4k u wll lose fat.

Thats fucking bull shit. Cuz ive been eating in a surplus working out, doing 10-15k steps daily, my weight is going up basically every other day and im only getting leaner.

Mike mentzer did make a lot of good points but honestly working out 3 times a week, eating not much protein, eating basically whatever u want but muh train hard, just sounds like snake oils salesmen.

The only thing hes right about is the importance of carbs and high intensity training. Stop taking shit that retard said as dogma though. He was a contrarian who was a nihlist retard who drugged himself to death because muh im sad. Anyone who depressively drinks is NOT a good person. They want u to feel bad for them. Do not.

Calories don't exist, humans aren't a closed thermodynamic system