Minoxidil is the biggest looksmin you could ever decide to do

[nuisance]

Ive been on minoxidil twice for my hair and holy shit this stuff is awful do not touch it.

The first time I was-on it for four months, decided to stop it because of bloat issues and dark circles I looked like shit. Two months later my skin went back to normal.

Now i started stressing again about my hair so i convinced myself "mabye my skin as bad because it was winter".

Six months later my eyes and litterly black under, eye wrinkles are super deep, my skin looks like shit pores are humongous on my cheeks, and a decent amount of facial bloat.

Its actually insane, it also takes the color out of your face to my face looks discolored and lifeless.

Another problem is that even if you apply it on your head hair grows everywhere, my body hair increased like 2x, back hair, shoulder hair, I have a huge 5 o'clock shadow which I didn't have before, and my face has a bunch of little velous hairs poking out everywhere like on the cheeks and forehead now which make the pores larger.

This shit is putrid and I regret going on it again.

 

[Sprinkles]

what the hell were u even on it for?

 

[nuisance]

what the hell were u even on it for?

ive been balding slowly

 

[Sprinkles]

ive been balding slowly

were you using oral?

 

[nuisance]

were you using oral?

no I have only used topical

I also developed keratosis pillaris on the backs of my arms now, i am certain from minoxidil

 

[PowerPlay]

Yeah Minox isnt worth it. The bloat from it literally makes you subhuman.

 

[shtbender]

Minox best thing ive ever done

 

[JohnDoe]

Min and fin/dut are no good

 

[nuisance]

Yeah Minox isnt worth it. The bloat from it literally makes you subhuman.

brutal, dont know if i can even hop off atp

i can only run finasteride at a extremly low dose topically dont even know if that helps.

 

[nuisance]

Min and fin/dut are no good

is there any other option though?

rope?

 

[nuisance]

Minox best thing ive ever done

did you run it temporarily for eyebrows? Or for hair

 

[JohnDoe]

is there any other option though?

rope?

Grow hair out hide temples with fringe, if crown thinning then also use toppik fibers. I believe balding is a metabolic disease and you can somewhat stop or slow it down enough. Complex subject that I don't want to go into right now but I can pm you info tomorrow

 

[Stranger to myself]

Ive been on minoxidil twice for my hair and holy shit this stuff is awful do not touch it.

The first time I was-on it for four months, decided to stop it because of bloat issues and dark circles I looked like shit. Two months later my skin went back to normal.

Now i started stressing again about my hair so i convinced myself "mabye my skin as bad because it was winter".

Six months later my eyes and litterly black under, eye wrinkles are super deep, my skin looks like shit pores are humongous on my cheeks, and a decent amount of facial bloat.

Its actually insane, it also takes the color out of your face to my face looks discolored and lifeless.

Another problem is that even if you apply it on your head hair grows everywhere, my body hair increased like 2x, back hair, shoulder hair, I have a huge 5 o'clock shadow which I didn't have before, and my face has a bunch of little velous hairs poking out everywhere like on the cheeks and forehead now which make the pores larger.

This shit is putrid and I regret going on it again.

It is okay I will donate my pajeet hair genetics, just the hair genetics.

 

[nuisance]

Grow hair out hide temples with fringe, if crown thinning then also use toppik fibers. I believe balding is a metabolic disease and you can somewhat stop or slow it down enough. Complex subject that I don't want to go into right now but I can pm you info tomorrow

Sure thank you , ill try anything

I alr cope with the fringe and it worked good for a while my hairline was only recceding, but recently i started losing density in the front which is alot harder to fraud. Back is still really thick.

 

[slaters]

Yeah Minox isnt worth it. The bloat from it literally makes you subhuman.

You got bloat from topical?

 

[shtbender]

did you run it temporarily for eyebrows? Or for hair

ive been taking for 5 months for lashes, hair, and beard

 

[nuisance]

You got bloat from topical?

yeah bad bloat

It creeps up on you, you think its your normal face until you stop it

 

[nuisance]

ive been taking for 5 months for lashes, hair, and beard

I might be hyper absorber or whatever

 

[slaters]

yeah bad bloat

It creeps up on you, you think its your normal face until you stop it

Been using it purely on eyebrows so hopefully I don’t get it in the coming months

I’m guessing you got crazy gains if you got sides?

 

[bttb]

brutal, dont know if i can even hop off atp

i can only run finasteride at a extremly low dose topically dont even know if that helps.

Ur such a bitchhhhhh

 

[shtbender]

I might be hyper absorber or whatever

Im ethnic so maybe the discolouration and dark circle wouldnt affect as much.
I definitely noticed some bloat, but the hairline is back and my lashes are longer

 

[marlesip]

I also developed keratosis pillaris on the backs of my arms now, i am certain from minoxidil

can you dm me and send photo? I also got something like this prolly from minox

 

[Comebackkid]

Because you need to take it with a med to debloat, it increase lashes/eyebrows/beard and fight alopecia, ofc its important

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Don’t listen to anyone who thinks balding is some metabolic issue and is against 5ARi or anti androgens. They are clearly misinformed. They cope with their long hair to cover their subhuman recession JFL.

 

[vtribal]

topical minox gave you facial bloating? brutal

 

[loLyric]

how much are you using? and what brand and %

 

[nuisance]

Ur such a bitchhhhhh

yeah bro, a bitch thats what finasteride makes me

swollen nipples and jelly dick at higher doses

 

[Snoofy]

I been on oral minox for about a month and a half and not noticed a single side effect

 

[nuisance]

Don’t listen to anyone who thinks balding is some metabolic issue and is against 5ARi or anti androgens. They are clearly misinformed. They cope with their long hair to cover their subhuman recession JFL.

Ive been into this stuff for a while, of course 5ARi inhibitors are the only thing that we have that work at the moment.

But like we can take another man inject him with dht and he will not bald, so what causes the hair follicle to become sensitive to androgens why do hairs on the back of the head not fall out? Its somethng to do with genetics of course but we dont know the mechanism.

So im open to try everything. Even something like metabolic issues, while im taking finasteride ofc.

 

[nuisance]

Because you need to take it with a med to debloat, it increase lashes/eyebrows/beard and fight alopecia, ofc its important

It also increases pore size it seems, through growing velous hairs everywhere on the face. Dark circles are due to vasodilation.So multiple issues.

how much are you using? and what brand and %

rogaine 2% crown preventative, 5% frontal. I dont apply alot, way less than reccomended.

can you dm me and send photo? I also got something like this prolly from minox

Not my photo but looks like this, slightly more red, developed it on my neck chest and arms didnt have it six months ago. Id assume its from the new body hair.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Ive been into this stuff for a while, of course 5ARi inhibitors are the only thing that we have that work at the moment.

But like we can take another man inject him with dht and he will not bald, so what causes the hair follicle to become sensitive to androgens why do hairs on the back of the head not fall out? Its somethng to do with genetics of course but we dont know the mechanism.

So im open to try everything. Even something like metabolic issues, while im taking finasteride ofc.

Genetics are the main factor you can boil follicle androgen sensitivity to at the moment.

At the moment, the only way to fully stop hairloss, or as close to it as you can, is 5ARi and topical anti androgen. I have a thread on both. The 5ARi will deal with the DHT for the most part, and any residual DHT left at the scalp will be dealt with by the topical anti androgen. Scalp testosterone is also androgenic, so will also cause hair follies to miniaturise over time, so topical anti androgen takes care of that also, since, at least in RUs case, it is not selective to DHT, it works on both Test and DHT. Using a stronger 5ARi like dutasteride, and max dosage if that (2.5mg) will basically leave you androgen free at the scalp when used with RU. If you are losing hair on that, you most likely do not have AGA and losing hair due to another reason. I’m not worried about sides of 5ARi. Past 18 you’re probably safe to nuke it, if your dick has fully grown. It doesn’t have effect on bone growth etc.

The Cure For Hair Loss - The Truth About 5α-Reductase Inhibitors and Topical Anti-Androgens

The Cure For Hair Loss - The Truth about 5α-Reductase Inhibitors and Topical Anti-Androgens - Part 2 (excuse the shit formatting, I don't normally write threads, so I can't format for shit) What does this thread include? Introduction. Why are you balding in the first place? What can we...

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[nuisance]

Genetics are the main factor you can boil follicle androgen sensitivity to at the moment.

At the moment, the only way to fully stop hairloss, or as close to it as you can, is 5ARi and topical anti androgen. I have a thread on both. The 5ARi will deal with the DHT for the most part, and any residual DHT left at the scalp will be dealt with by the topical anti androgen. Scalp testosterone is also androgenic, so will also cause hair follies to miniaturise over time, so topical anti androgen takes care of that also, since, at least in RUs case, it is not selective to DHT, it works on both Test and DHT. Using a stronger 5ARi like dutasteride, and max dosage if that (2.5mg) will basically leave you androgen free at the scalp when used with RU. If you are losing hair on that, you most likely do not have AGA and losing hair due to another reason. I’m not worried about sides of 5ARi. Past 18 you’re probably safe to nuke it, if your dick has fully grown. It doesn’t have effect on bone growth etc.

The Cure For Hair Loss - The Truth About 5α-Reductase Inhibitors and Topical Anti-Androgens

The Cure For Hair Loss - The Truth about 5α-Reductase Inhibitors and Topical Anti-Androgens - Part 2 (excuse the shit formatting, I don't normally write threads, so I can't format for shit) What does this thread include? Introduction. Why are you balding in the first place? What can we...

looksmax.org

If scientists can figure out the mechanism of why the hair follicle becomes sensitive, then we would probably be able to find a cure for hairloss. Things like stress can accelerate the sensitivity, so theories like metabolic diseases shouldn't be discounted completely however I agree at the time the only thing we have is 5aris and antiandrogens.

Ive been on 5aris in multiple forms and dosages (oral, topical, compounded topical liposomal, oral saw palmetto). All of these still give me very annoying and uncomfortable gyno symptoms to the point of nipple swelling and itching. Longest stint was 8 months on 0.05% liposomal, and after 5 months I got sexual side effects aswell. Ive gotten bloods done during it, and my estrodial was in mid optimal range and testosterone was over 800. Currenlt using very low dose topical 0.005% and minox and it seems to work ok for me slight nip sensitvity.

Ive been looking at RU however what worries me is Reflex Hyperandrogenicty (upregulataion of the androgen receptor) and it going systemic aswell. Lots of ancedotes of this happening, and i understand anecdotes are anecdotes but with something like RU there is not much we have to go off of.

 

[hoping to improve]

i used it orally for 2 days and got acne and headaches

 

[nuisance]

i used it orally for 2 days and got acne and headaches

Headaches make sense its a blood pressure drug. I believe most of the time the body gets used to it though regarding headaches.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Ive been looking at RU however what worries me is Reflex Hyperandrogenicty (upregulataion of the androgen receptor) and it going systemic aswell. Lots of ancedotes of this happening, and i understand anecdotes are anecdotes but with something like RU there is not much we have to go off of

What evidence do you have for Reflex Hyperandrogenicty? I do not believe in it.
10 year long finasteide studies show improvement in hair count year after year.

RU is more often than not the key for most people’s growth after not seeing results on Dut and Minox, adding RU changes everything.!

 

[nuisance]

What evidence do you have for Reflex Hyperandrogenicty? I do not believe in it.
10 year long finasteide studies show improvement in hair count year after year.

RU is more often than not the key for most people’s growth after not seeing results on Dut and Minox, adding RU changes everything.!

Reflex Hyperandrogenicty with RU, I dont belive it with finasteride aswell.

Of course anecdotal, but ru interacts with the androgen receptors, its not out of the question that its a possibility it could cause epigentic changes. Generally these anecdotes are from stopping RU, theory is while on RU the androgen receptor upregulates and when going off the dht floods in and reaks havoc.

 

[Sixatheconqueror]

Ive been on minoxidil twice for my hair and holy shit this stuff is awful do not touch it.

The first time I was-on it for four months, decided to stop it because of bloat issues and dark circles I looked like shit. Two months later my skin went back to normal.

Now i started stressing again about my hair so i convinced myself "mabye my skin as bad because it was winter".

Six months later my eyes and litterly black under, eye wrinkles are super deep, my skin looks like shit pores are humongous on my cheeks, and a decent amount of facial bloat.

Its actually insane, it also takes the color out of your face to my face looks discolored and lifeless.

Another problem is that even if you apply it on your head hair grows everywhere, my body hair increased like 2x, back hair, shoulder hair, I have a huge 5 o'clock shadow which I didn't have before, and my face has a bunch of little velous hairs poking out everywhere like on the cheeks and forehead now which make the pores larger.

This shit is putrid and I regret going on it again.

Nga stop using it orally and use it topically then

 

[Jonas2k7]

Ive been into this stuff for a while, of course 5ARi inhibitors are the only thing that we have that work at the moment.

There are multiple treatments. (Won't name any publicly)

But like we can take another man inject him with dht and he will not bald, so what causes the hair follicle to become sensitive to androgens why do hairs on the back of the head not fall out? Its somethng to do with genetics of course but we dont know the mechanism.

The genetics don't vary that much in that regard. What you are referring to are the polymorphims of the 5αR2-Gene that differ heavily depending on genetic make up. Even these people would develop hair loss as it's a "racial" trait that is also seen in monkeys and other species.

Like look at these red ass niggas heads

Everyone can loose their hair, as that AR-mediated pathway doesn't differ.

If scientists can figure out the mechanism of why the hair follicle becomes sensitive, then we would probably be able to find a cure for hairloss. Things like stress can accelerate the sensitivity, so theories like metabolic diseases shouldn't be discounted completely however I agree at the time the only thing we have is 5aris and antiandrogens.

Stress doesn't increase the AR sensitivity, it's another pathway. CAG repeats are one factor that determines AR sensitivity. By the way, if someone looses his hair early on in his life is a great indicitor how sensitive someone is to androgens overall.

Ive been on 5aris in multiple forms and dosages (oral, topical, compounded topical liposomal, oral saw palmetto). All of these still give me very annoying and uncomfortable gyno symptoms to the point of nipple swelling and itching. Longest stint was 8 months on 0.05% liposomal, and after 5 months I got sexual side effects aswell. Ive gotten bloods done during it, and my estrodial was in mid optimal range and testosterone was over 800. Currenlt using very low dose topical 0.005% and minox and it seems to work ok for me slight nip sensitvity.

That's unfortunate, I don't have any high E2 sides on Dutasteride personally. Aromatization is also something that differs heavily from person to person. It's a valid point that 5ARIs can increase aromatization as DHT acts anti-estrogenic.

Ive been looking at RU however what worries me is Reflex Hyperandrogenicty (upregulataion of the androgen receptor) and it going systemic aswell. Lots of ancedotes of this happening, and i understand anecdotes are anecdotes but with something like RU there is not much we have to go off of.

Reflex Hyperandrogenecity doesn't exist, the AR gets upregulated by androgens so it's quite the opposite. What you are worried about doesn't matter for the average 5ARI user, it's only interesting for Pro-Bodybuilders as there indeed is some androgen receptor downregulation when using higher dosages of androgens. That doesn't happen on physiological levels though, so it's insignificant.

Reflex Hyperandrogenicty with RU, I dont belive it with finasteride aswell.

Of course anecdotal, but ru interacts with the androgen receptors, its not out of the question that its a possibility it could cause epigentic changes. Generally these anecdotes are from stopping RU, theory is while on RU the androgen receptor upregulates and when going off the dht floods in and reaks havoc.

RU is an antagonist of the AR, so it just "binds" to it and doesn't cause any protein expression. Possibly the lack of testosterone and DHT agonizing the receptor could cause some changes, though they would be local and not systemic.

The average person won't have any side effects from RU58841 at a moderate dosage, multiple CTs proved that and there are studies backing it up.

If you want to continue using a 5ARI consider adding a low-dose AI like Exemestan so you don't get any high E2 side effects.

Read this once if you want to learn something. @Zagro @loyolaxavvierretard @truthhurts @Snicket @NoaA99

 

[nuisance]

Nga stop using it orally and use it topically then

i only used topical, it goes systemic, even my leg hair is thicker and denser

 

[nuisance]

There are multiple treatments. (Won't name any publicly)

The genetics don't vary that much in that regard. What you are referring to are the polymorphims of the 5αR2-Gene that differ heavily depending on genetic make up. Even these people would develop hair loss as it's a "racial" trait that is also seen in monkeys and other species.

Like look at these red ass niggas heads
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Everyone can loose their hair, as that AR-mediated pathway doesn't differ.

Stress doesn't increase the AR sensitivity, it's another pathway. CAG repeats are one factor that determines AR sensitivity. By the way, if someone looses his hair early on in his life is a great indicitor how sensitive someone is to androgens overall.

That's unfortunate, I don't have any high E2 sides on Dutasteride personally. Aromatization is also something that differs heavily from person to person. It's a valid point that 5ARIs can increase aromatization as DHT acts anti-estrogenic.

Reflex Hyperandrogenecity doesn't exist, the AR gets upregulated by androgens so it's quite the opposite. What you are worried about doesn't matter for the average 5ARI user, it's only interesting for Pro-Bodybuilders as there indeed is some androgen receptor downregulation when using higher dosages of androgens. That doesn't happen on physiological levels though, so it's insignificant.

RU is an antagonist of the AR, so it just "binds" to it and doesn't cause any protein expression. Possibly the lack of testosterone and DHT agonizing the receptor could cause some changes, though they would be local and not systemic.

The average person won't have any side effects from RU58841 at a moderate dosage, multiple CTs proved that and there are studies backing it up.

If you want to continue using a 5ARI consider adding a low-dose AI like Exemestan so you don't get any high E2 side effects.

Read this once if you want to learn something. @Zagro @loyolaxavvierretard @truthhurts @Snicket @NoaA99

Good shit, knowledge mogs me read every word.

With my e2 being in range (28) wouldn't lowering it more potentially not change anything? DHT can alter the estrogen receptor expression in some tissues like the breast tissue. So since e2 isn't elevated wouldn't the culprit be lack of estrogen antagonization in the breast tissue from dht reduction?

Albeit I dont have bloodwork pre finasteride so I dont know how much my e2 has changed from baseline.

Could you share the alternative treatments in the PMS? Im pretty desperate to try anything ATP.

 

[Sixatheconqueror]

i only used topical, it goes systemic, even my leg hair is thicker and denser

Wow thats actually crazy but i think im gonna use it anyway im tired of this rosemary oil cope possibly get thicker beard

 

[nuisance]

Wow thats actually crazy but i think im gonna use it anyway im tired of this rosemary oil cope possibly get thicker beard

beard is looksmin for most people, if laser wasnt permeant id laser it off but id probally want it later

putting minoxidil on cheeks is low iq it has alcohol aswell

 

[Jonas2k7]

Good shit, knowledge mogs me read every word.

Appreciate that, you seem like a smart guy too.

With my e2 being in range (28) wouldn't lowering it more potentially not change anything? DHT can alter the estrogen receptor expression in some tissues like the breast tissue. So since e2 isn't elevated wouldn't the culprit be lack of estrogen antagonization in the breast tissue from dht reduction?

Your estrogen really appears to be in range, I guess that was pre-Finasteride though? E2 testing methods are pretty outdated and even cross-detect E1 sometimes, I think using Fin increased your E2 slightly.

That would also explain why using an AI like Exemestan would work. Did you know Exemestan is closely related to androgens too? One of its metabolites is an androgen and acts anti-estrogenic too, that's one of the reasons why it's a good option to decrease E2 side effects.

100%, DHT acts on the estrogen receptor itself too.

Albeit I dont have bloodwork pre finasteride so I dont know how much my e2 has changed from baseline.

Could you share the alternative treatments in the PMS? Im pretty desperate to try anything ATP.

I can, feel free to PM me.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

If scientists can figure out the mechanism of why the hair follicle becomes sensitive, then we would probably be able to find a cure for hairloss. Things like stress can accelerate the sensitivity, so theories like metabolic diseases shouldn't be discounted completely however I agree at the time the only thing we have is 5aris and antiandrogens.

Multiple things are responsible for making the hair follicle become more sensitive over time

If scientists can figure out the mechanism of why the hair follicle becomes sensitive, then we would probably be able to find a cure for hairloss. Things like stress can accelerate the sensitivity, so theories like metabolic diseases shouldn't be discounted completely however I agree at the time the only thing we have is 5aris and antiandrogens.

No the cure is , A medicine that brings the derma papila cells back to alive. If you do that a nw5 come to a nw1