Moderate-High TRT & Moderate Blasts don't aesthetically age you (may even age better)

[RealSurgerymax]

This isn't medical advice or a suggestion! It's just what I have seen in myself and observed in others I know irl and also certain fitness influencers, I have put the pieces together to explain it with simple physiology.

I've noticed many people (including me) on high dose (over 200mg) TRT and people doing moderate blast cycles (500-700mg Test, and even pairing with engineered hormones liked Anavar, Winstrol, Nandrolone, NO TREN, NO MASTERON, NO ANADROL) are aging quite well. I mean no hair loss and no accelerated visible skin aging, and even improvement.

Under these strict terms:

1. Test under 350mg
2. with 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor (Preferably Dutatseride, but finasteride may work if you have good genetics)

That mans hormone profile would be:

1. 2-3x Natural Testosterone
2. 4-10x less natural DHT
3. 1.5 - 3x natural male estrogen levels and about 1/3 to 1/2 of natural female peak levels (female levels are naturally in phases)

A man with high T, elevated E, and supressed DHT might in fact see aging benefits compared to a ma.n with natural T, natural E, and Natural DHT.

	Natty Guy​	Responsibly Enhanced Chad​	Gymcel Blasting Grams​
Testosterone	Normal (or low)​	2-3x Natural​	5-20x Natural​
DHT	Normal​	Much Lower​	Elevated, even on Fin or Dut​
Estrogen	Normal​	Elevated but balanced with Test​	Hyper Elevated or Crashed if using AI​
Outcome	Normal aging - Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.	Enhanced Aesthetic Aging - Reduced DHT and Elevated Estrogen nurture the hair and skin. May look the same or better at 30 than they did in early 20s (I've been noticing lots of cases like this)	Accelerated Aging on all levels. Skin: Collagen is raped. Wrinkles, sagging. Facial Muscle Activity: Forehead has deep lines, deep nasolabial folds and full neck/submental area from facial Muscle hypertrophy (Unaesthetic, meaty face) Hair: Bald or thin and unhealthy looking If not on AI (Aromatase Inhibitor): All of the above plus, bad gynecomastia from elevated estrogen. Higher cancer risk at these high E levels. If on an AI: Maybe no gyno but all the rest is compounded 3 fold because of crashed estrogen. In addition to aesthetic problems add bone porosity, tendon injuries, Cardiac and nerve dysfunction.

• Overuse of AROMATASE INHIBITORS are one of the main contributors to aesthetic and medical consequences on steroids, and this has been historically understated. Proper doses for the "Responsibly Enhanced Chad" category is way less than current guidlines are suggesting (if anything at all - but a very small and sporadic use may be ok)
• This is referring explicitly to AESTHETIC AGING meaning visible markers for age. Actual cellular/biological aging is still happening and admittedly, probably accelerated even on moderate dose TRT.

Personal story:
Ive been on TRT in the ranges of 200 - 450 for 2 years. About a year and a half in, I noticeabley gained hair density. Well, I temporarily went to 450mg test 6 months ago and a few weeks in I noticed some slightly puffy and sensitive nipples (still no shedding, and no bloat). So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its yourself, and youre in the middle a shitstorm. I consulted a dermatologist who was unhelpful (suggested Telogen Effluvium). I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that major shed event.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me - thats definitely what happened when I took those AIs.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

 

[weepmeep]

Why take anastrozole when there are better alternatives? Estrogen declines are dangerous for the body.

 

[weepmeep]

and stop stuffing yourself with crap

 

[org3cel.RR]

This isn't medical advice or a suggestion! It's just what I have seen in myself and observed in others I know irl and also certain fitness influencers, I have put the pieces together to explain it with simple physiology.

I've noticed many people (including me) on high dose (over 200mg) TRT and people doing moderate blast cycles (500-700mg Test, and even pairing with engineered hormones liked Anavar, Winstrol, Nandrolone, NO TREN, NO MASTERON, NO ANADROL) are aging quite well. I mean no hair loss and no accelerated visible skin aging, and even improvement.

Under these strict terms:

1. Test under 350mg
2. with 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor (Preferably Dutatseride, but finasteride may work if you have good genetics)

A persons hormone profile is:

1. 2-3x Natural Testosterone
2. 4-10x less natural DHT
3. 1.5 - 3x natural male estrogen levels and about 1/3 to 1/2 of natural female peak levels (female levels are naturally in phases)

A man with high T, elevated E, and supressed DHT might in fact see aging benefits compared to a ma.n with natural T, natural E, and Natural DHT.

	Natty Guy​	Responsibly Enhanced Chad​	Gymcel Blasting Grams​
Testosterone	Normal (or low)​	2-3x Natural​	5-20x Natural​
DHT	Normal​	Much Lower​	Elevated, even on Fin or Dut​
Estrogen	Normal​	Elevated but balanced with Test​	Hyper Elevated or Crashed if using AI​
Outcome	Normal aging - Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.	Enhanced Aesthetic Aging - Reduced DHT and Elevated Estrogen nurture the hair and skin. May look the same or better at 30 than they did in early 20s (I've been noticing lots of cases like this)	Accelerated Aging on all levels. Skin: Collagen is raped. Wrinkles, sagging. Facial Muscle Activity: Forehead has deep lines, deep nasolabial folds and full neck/submental area from facial Muscle hypertrophy (Unaesthetic, meaty face) Hair: Bald or thin and unhealthy looking If not on AI (Aromatase Inhibitor): All of the above plus, bad gynecomastia from elevated estrogen. Higher cancer risk at these high E levels. If on an AI: Maybe no gyno but all the rest is compounded 3 fold because of crashed estrogen. In addition to aesthetic problems add bone porosity, tendon injuries, Cardiac and nerve dysfunction.

• Overuse of AROMATASE INHIBITORS are one of the main contributors to aesthetic and medical consequences on steroids, and this has been historically understated. Proper doses for the "Responsibly Enhanced Chad" category is way less than current guidlines are suggesting (if anything at all - but a very small and sporadic use may be ok)
• This is referring explicitly to AESTHETIC AGING meaning visible markers for age. Actual cellular/biological aging is still happening and admittedly, probably accelerated even on moderate dose TRT.

Personal story:
Ive been on TRT in the ranges of 200 - 450 for 2 years. About a year and a half in, I noticeabley gained hair density. Well, I temporarily went to 450mg test 6 months ago and a few weeks in I noticed some slightly puffy and sensitive nipples (still no shedding, and no bloat). So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its you, and youre in the middle of the incident. I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that incident.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a the medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me thats definitely what it happened.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

TRT is ideal.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its you, and youre in the middle of the incident. I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that incident.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a the medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me thats definitely what it happened.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

Intresting..
so you're saying we need elevated estrogen?

 

[Hernan]

This isn't medical advice or a suggestion! It's just what I have seen in myself and observed in others I know irl and also certain fitness influencers, I have put the pieces together to explain it with simple physiology.

I've noticed many people (including me) on high dose (over 200mg) TRT and people doing moderate blast cycles (500-700mg Test, and even pairing with engineered hormones liked Anavar, Winstrol, Nandrolone, NO TREN, NO MASTERON, NO ANADROL) are aging quite well. I mean no hair loss and no accelerated visible skin aging, and even improvement.

Under these strict terms:

1. Test under 350mg
2. with 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor (Preferably Dutatseride, but finasteride may work if you have good genetics)

A persons hormone profile is:

1. 2-3x Natural Testosterone
2. 4-10x less natural DHT
3. 1.5 - 3x natural male estrogen levels and about 1/3 to 1/2 of natural female peak levels (female levels are naturally in phases)

A man with high T, elevated E, and supressed DHT might in fact see aging benefits compared to a ma.n with natural T, natural E, and Natural DHT.

	Natty Guy​	Responsibly Enhanced Chad​	Gymcel Blasting Grams​
Testosterone	Normal (or low)​	2-3x Natural​	5-20x Natural​
DHT	Normal​	Much Lower​	Elevated, even on Fin or Dut​
Estrogen	Normal​	Elevated but balanced with Test​	Hyper Elevated or Crashed if using AI​
Outcome	Normal aging - Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.	Enhanced Aesthetic Aging - Reduced DHT and Elevated Estrogen nurture the hair and skin. May look the same or better at 30 than they did in early 20s (I've been noticing lots of cases like this)	Accelerated Aging on all levels. Skin: Collagen is raped. Wrinkles, sagging. Facial Muscle Activity: Forehead has deep lines, deep nasolabial folds and full neck/submental area from facial Muscle hypertrophy (Unaesthetic, meaty face) Hair: Bald or thin and unhealthy looking If not on AI (Aromatase Inhibitor): All of the above plus, bad gynecomastia from elevated estrogen. Higher cancer risk at these high E levels. If on an AI: Maybe no gyno but all the rest is compounded 3 fold because of crashed estrogen. In addition to aesthetic problems add bone porosity, tendon injuries, Cardiac and nerve dysfunction.

• Overuse of AROMATASE INHIBITORS are one of the main contributors to aesthetic and medical consequences on steroids, and this has been historically understated. Proper doses for the "Responsibly Enhanced Chad" category is way less than current guidlines are suggesting (if anything at all - but a very small and sporadic use may be ok)
• This is referring explicitly to AESTHETIC AGING meaning visible markers for age. Actual cellular/biological aging is still happening and admittedly, probably accelerated even on moderate dose TRT.

Personal story:
Ive been on TRT in the ranges of 200 - 450 for 2 years. About a year and a half in, I noticeabley gained hair density. Well, I temporarily went to 450mg test 6 months ago and a few weeks in I noticed some slightly puffy and sensitive nipples (still no shedding, and no bloat). So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its yourself, and youre in the middle of the incident. I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that major shed event.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me - thats definitely what happened when I took those AIs.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

bump.

 

[mufasamufasa]

Intresting..
so you're saying we need elevated estrogen?

Everyone been knowing that.
Estrogen is peak for males

 

[King_Schnitzel]

but finasteride may work if you have good genetics

The genetics end there.
Please don't give advice on people taking Finasteride who are considering to reproduce.

 

[MaracasMogs]

This isn't medical advice or a suggestion! It's just what I have seen in myself and observed in others I know irl and also certain fitness influencers, I have put the pieces together to explain it with simple physiology.

I've noticed many people (including me) on high dose (over 200mg) TRT and people doing moderate blast cycles (500-700mg Test, and even pairing with engineered hormones liked Anavar, Winstrol, Nandrolone, NO TREN, NO MASTERON, NO ANADROL) are aging quite well. I mean no hair loss and no accelerated visible skin aging, and even improvement.

Under these strict terms:

1. Test under 350mg
2. with 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor (Preferably Dutatseride, but finasteride may work if you have good genetics)

A persons hormone profile is:

1. 2-3x Natural Testosterone
2. 4-10x less natural DHT
3. 1.5 - 3x natural male estrogen levels and about 1/3 to 1/2 of natural female peak levels (female levels are naturally in phases)

A man with high T, elevated E, and supressed DHT might in fact see aging benefits compared to a ma.n with natural T, natural E, and Natural DHT.

	Natty Guy​	Responsibly Enhanced Chad​	Gymcel Blasting Grams​
Testosterone	Normal (or low)​	2-3x Natural​	5-20x Natural​
DHT	Normal​	Much Lower​	Elevated, even on Fin or Dut​
Estrogen	Normal​	Elevated but balanced with Test​	Hyper Elevated or Crashed if using AI​
Outcome	Normal aging - Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.	Enhanced Aesthetic Aging - Reduced DHT and Elevated Estrogen nurture the hair and skin. May look the same or better at 30 than they did in early 20s (I've been noticing lots of cases like this)	Accelerated Aging on all levels. Skin: Collagen is raped. Wrinkles, sagging. Facial Muscle Activity: Forehead has deep lines, deep nasolabial folds and full neck/submental area from facial Muscle hypertrophy (Unaesthetic, meaty face) Hair: Bald or thin and unhealthy looking If not on AI (Aromatase Inhibitor): All of the above plus, bad gynecomastia from elevated estrogen. Higher cancer risk at these high E levels. If on an AI: Maybe no gyno but all the rest is compounded 3 fold because of crashed estrogen. In addition to aesthetic problems add bone porosity, tendon injuries, Cardiac and nerve dysfunction.

• Overuse of AROMATASE INHIBITORS are one of the main contributors to aesthetic and medical consequences on steroids, and this has been historically understated. Proper doses for the "Responsibly Enhanced Chad" category is way less than current guidlines are suggesting (if anything at all - but a very small and sporadic use may be ok)
• This is referring explicitly to AESTHETIC AGING meaning visible markers for age. Actual cellular/biological aging is still happening and admittedly, probably accelerated even on moderate dose TRT.

Personal story:
Ive been on TRT in the ranges of 200 - 450 for 2 years. About a year and a half in, I noticeabley gained hair density. Well, I temporarily went to 450mg test 6 months ago and a few weeks in I noticed some slightly puffy and sensitive nipples (still no shedding, and no bloat). So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its yourself, and youre in the middle of the incident. I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that major shed event.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me - thats definitely what happened when I took those AIs.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

Bump

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Intresting..
so you're saying we need elevated estrogen?

Slightly elevated is beneficial for aesthetics. Especially if it's balanced with Test.

Theoretically it increases risk of certain tumors (AIs weren't invented for steroid users, they were invented for women as chemotherapy drugs)

Everyone's different, but it's also changed my libido to come in waves of massively horny to not horny at all, lasting a few days. It's still worth it for me. I may try 2x a week pinning to stabilize things. Its just inconvenient when youre always traveling place to place like me.

TRT is ideal.

Agreed.

The genetics end there.
Please don't give advice on people taking Finasteride who are considering to reproduce.

STFU retard You wont be reproducing with any women of genetic quality if youre bald!

 

[mufasamufasa]

The genetics end there.
Please don't give advice on people taking Finasteride who are considering to reproduce.

Is there any studies that shows 5-a reductase inhibitors lead to infertility ?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Is there any studies that shows 5-a reductase inhibitors lead to infertility ?

That guy is a leech whos entire personality revolves around being loud.
all he's good for is hating on people.
he's a low sentient subhuman & has nothing to say.
typical leech

 

[King_Schnitzel]

STFU retard You wont be reproducing with any women of genetic quality if youre bald!

Holy low IQ.

 

[King_Schnitzel]

Is there any studies that shows 5-a reductase inhibitors lead to infertility ?

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-Reductase Inhibitors (5ARIs) and Male Reproduction - PubMed

The 5ARIs, finasteride and dutasteride, are used to treat benign prostate hyperplasia and lower urinary tract symptoms. At much lower doses, 5ARI treatment reduces male hair loss. These drugs inhibit the conversion of testosterone to the more active dihydrotestosterone (DHT). In men taking these...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Slightly elevated is beneficial for aesthetics. Especially if it's balanced with Test.
Theoretically it increases risk of certain tumors (AIs weren't invented for steroid users, they were invented for women as chemotherapy drugs)

Everyone's different, but it's also changed my libido to come in waves of massively horny to not horny at all, lasting a few days. It's still worth it for me. I may try 2x a week pinning to stabilize things. Its just inconvenient when youre always traveling place to place like me.

so you at what dose of test & at what estrogen levels do you suggest taking AI?

STFU retard You wont be reproducing with any women of genetic quality if youre bald!

Put that retard on ignore list
He's a subhuman & he exists only to hate on people in hopes of getting some attention.

 

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5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-Reductase Inhibitors (5ARIs) and Male Reproduction - PubMed

The 5ARIs, finasteride and dutasteride, are used to treat benign prostate hyperplasia and lower urinary tract symptoms. At much lower doses, 5ARI treatment reduces male hair loss. These drugs inhibit the conversion of testosterone to the more active dihydrotestosterone (DHT). In men taking these...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dut mogs

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-Reductase Inhibitors (5ARIs) and Male Reproduction - PubMed

The 5ARIs, finasteride and dutasteride, are used to treat benign prostate hyperplasia and lower urinary tract symptoms. At much lower doses, 5ARI treatment reduces male hair loss. These drugs inhibit the conversion of testosterone to the more active dihydrotestosterone (DHT). In men taking these...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility - PMC

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dut has long half-life
They stopped the research before letting the dut leave the body

besides, research's been done on fin & they bounced back well.

 

[4ever]

Great thread.

1. Are you getting blood work frequently? Which other medical check-ups are you getting? Do you think heart echos or ecgs are overkill?

2. Do you think that people who take those optimized roid cycles are aging better than people who are natty but also take anti aging measures (dut, tret, etc)?

3. Which ester are you using and what injection frequency?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Dut has long half-life
They stopped the research before letting the dut leave the body

besides, research's been done on fin & they bounced back well.

Ashton Kutcher takes dut, went off as a precaution to impregnate his wife, had no problem.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Great thread.

1. Are you getting blood work frequently? Which other medical check-ups are you getting? Do you think heart echos or ecgs are overkill?

About every 6 months. Hormone Panel and Cholesterols. I might check my liver and kidney function next time I get blood work but thats more because ive been drinking and partying a lot than because of any concern I have with TRT350.

2. Do you think that people who take those optimized roid cycles are aging better than people who are natty but also take anti aging measures (dut, tret, etc)?

Yes thats exactly what Im saying

3. Which ester are you using and what injection frequency?

Test Enanthate and once per week.

 

[4ever]

About every 6 months. Hormone Panel and Cholesterols. I might check my liver and kidney function next time I get blood work but thats more because ive been drinking and partying a lot than because of any concern I have with TRT350.


Yes thats exactly what Im saying


Test Enanthate and once per week.

Choosing a different ester and injection frequency might impact your aromatization / need for an AI.

Do you use any ancillaries (supplements or medications) to reduce side effects? Something for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.

And how annoying is injecting yourself IM to you?

What are the biggest advantages you've noticed? Any facial changes?

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Choosing a different ester and injection frequency might impact your aromatization / need for an AI.

I am about to experiment with that but life is chaotic right now

Do you use any ancillaries (supplements or medications) to reduce side effects? Something for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.

Just dutasteride, retatrutide, oral minoxidil, and I just finished a year-long Accutane course.

My cholesterol isn't that bad since I got dietary control from Semaglutide and recently switched to Reta

And how annoying is injecting yourself IM to you?

Not annoying

What are the biggest advantages you've noticed?

Confidence, better social skills, cold approaching guys in public or in bars without any shame or nervousness at all (this is a night and day difference to me. Before I would be so shy I didnt even want them to catch me looking at them)

 

[powerliftercoco]

What dose would you recommend lowering to before doing surgery? 350 is quite high, not even considered TRT since that caps at 250 in medical settings.

Or if blood pressure is fine then we are good?

I’m getting a cardiogram and a simple blood test done by them to confirm I’m good, but can’t discuss I’m on TRT unfortunately.

Worried about the general anesthesia, that shit is spooky.

 

[4ever]

I am about to experiment with that but life is chaotic right now

Just dutasteride, retatrutide, oral minoxidil, and I just finished a year-long Accutane course.

My cholesterol isn't that bad since I got dietary control from Semaglutide and recently switched to Reta

Not annoying

Confidence, better social skills, cold approaching guys in public or in bars without any shame or nervousness at all (this is a night and day difference to me. Before I would be so shy I didnt even want them to catch me looking at them)

Nice! I've been thinking about hopping on for a while now, but life is busy, organizing bloodwork and potential ancillaries takes bandwidth.
Reta should arrive in a week or two, so whatever I'll do, I'll cut down to 10-12% bf first. Hope at that bf I'll be able to maintain strength and energy also without roids at the gym / in life.

Oh and also, I have slight gyno from puberty. Would it make sense to remove that first before roiding? Or roid first, remove later in case it gets worse again?
In that case, insurance wouldn't cover it for sure unfortunately.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

What dose would you recommend lowering to before doing surgery? 350 is quite high, not even considered TRT since that caps at 250 in medical settings.

Or if blood pressure is fine then we are good?

I’m getting a cardiogram and a simple blood test done by them to confirm I’m good, but can’t discuss I’m on TRT unfortunately.

Worried about the general anesthesia, that shit is spooky.

If ur not a Giant patient I cannot discuss this with you although we have a protocol for it since so many of our guys are enhanced.

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

What would you suggeet if you're tryna heightmax snd age properly at the same time. AIs are needed on 200mg to 300mg per week

 

[powerliftercoco]

If ur not a Giant patient I cannot discuss this with you although we have a protocol for it since so many of our guys are enhanced.

Nigger

I don’t need full face implants and 1200° CCW rotation of my cock but ok, let me die after my anesthesia…

 

[gingergreycell]

This isn't medical advice or a suggestion! It's just what I have seen in myself and observed in others I know irl and also certain fitness influencers, I have put the pieces together to explain it with simple physiology.

I've noticed many people (including me) on high dose (over 200mg) TRT and people doing moderate blast cycles (500-700mg Test, and even pairing with engineered hormones liked Anavar, Winstrol, Nandrolone, NO TREN, NO MASTERON, NO ANADROL) are aging quite well. I mean no hair loss and no accelerated visible skin aging, and even improvement.

Under these strict terms:

1. Test under 350mg
2. with 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor (Preferably Dutatseride, but finasteride may work if you have good genetics)

That mans hormone profile would be:

1. 2-3x Natural Testosterone
2. 4-10x less natural DHT
3. 1.5 - 3x natural male estrogen levels and about 1/3 to 1/2 of natural female peak levels (female levels are naturally in phases)

A man with high T, elevated E, and supressed DHT might in fact see aging benefits compared to a ma.n with natural T, natural E, and Natural DHT.

	Natty Guy​	Responsibly Enhanced Chad​	Gymcel Blasting Grams​
Testosterone	Normal (or low)​	2-3x Natural​	5-20x Natural​
DHT	Normal​	Much Lower​	Elevated, even on Fin or Dut​
Estrogen	Normal​	Elevated but balanced with Test​	Hyper Elevated or Crashed if using AI​
Outcome	Normal aging - Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.	Enhanced Aesthetic Aging - Reduced DHT and Elevated Estrogen nurture the hair and skin. May look the same or better at 30 than they did in early 20s (I've been noticing lots of cases like this)	Accelerated Aging on all levels. Skin: Collagen is raped. Wrinkles, sagging. Facial Muscle Activity: Forehead has deep lines, deep nasolabial folds and full neck/submental area from facial Muscle hypertrophy (Unaesthetic, meaty face) Hair: Bald or thin and unhealthy looking If not on AI (Aromatase Inhibitor): All of the above plus, bad gynecomastia from elevated estrogen. Higher cancer risk at these high E levels. If on an AI: Maybe no gyno but all the rest is compounded 3 fold because of crashed estrogen. In addition to aesthetic problems add bone porosity, tendon injuries, Cardiac and nerve dysfunction.

• Overuse of AROMATASE INHIBITORS are one of the main contributors to aesthetic and medical consequences on steroids, and this has been historically understated. Proper doses for the "Responsibly Enhanced Chad" category is way less than current guidlines are suggesting (if anything at all - but a very small and sporadic use may be ok)
• This is referring explicitly to AESTHETIC AGING meaning visible markers for age. Actual cellular/biological aging is still happening and admittedly, probably accelerated even on moderate dose TRT.

Personal story:
Ive been on TRT in the ranges of 200 - 450 for 2 years. About a year and a half in, I noticeabley gained hair density. Well, I temporarily went to 450mg test 6 months ago and a few weeks in I noticed some slightly puffy and sensitive nipples (still no shedding, and no bloat). So I got some Anatrazole and went by the medical guidelines of 0.5 - 1mg per day. This is what TRT doctors are prescribing. Within a few days I noticed HORRENDOUS SHEDDING. Clogging my shower drain every time I showered, even flooding the bathroom.

Of course I panicked and looked for a cause. Convention would say its obviously from the 450mg test. But I was skeptical because of the timing. I actually thought it was from partying too much which coincided with the incident. Things are never clear when its yourself, and youre in the middle a shitstorm. I consulted a dermatologist who was unhelpful (suggested Telogen Effluvium). I reduced the TRT back down to 250 to be safe, which also meant I didn't need the anastrozole anymore. Things stabilized pretty quickly and Im just now starting to see some regrowth from that major shed event.

A couple months later I was studying the OBGYN chapter for a medical licensing exam I'm taking and reviewed Postpartum Alopecia - when a woman sheds hair, sometimes devastating amounts, after giving birth because of the rapid estrogen crash. It hit me - thats definitely what happened when I took those AIs.

Now I'm on TRT350 take 0.25 anastrozole HERE AND THERE - as in once every couple weeks, if I feel nipples are getting slightly puffy. And everything's fine.......

high iq thread but your theory revolves a lot around personal subjectivity

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Nice! I've been thinking about hopping on for a while now, but life is busy, organizing bloodwork and potential ancillaries takes bandwidth.
Reta should arrive in a week or two, so whatever I'll do, I'll cut down to 10-12% bf first. Hope at that bf I'll be able to maintain strength and energy also without roids at the gym / in life.

Oh and also, I have slight gyno from puberty. Would it make sense to remove that first before roiding? Or roid first, remove later in case it gets worse again?
In that case, insurance wouldn't cover it for sure unfortunately.

Yes remove ASAP because the bigger it gets the more sagging and skin laxity youre gonna have after removal, and possibly bigger scars from the gyno surgery if keyhole access isn't enough, or you need a chest lift procedure.

What would you suggeet if you're tryna heightmax

Leg Lengthening Surgery. Thats it. All else is giga cope.

snd age properly at the same time. AIs are needed on 200mg to 300mg per week

I dont know how old you are but definitely you shouldn't be taking steroids as a teenager.

and AIs are usually NOT needed on under 300mg.

Nigger

I don’t need full face implants and 1200° CCW rotation of my cock but ok, let me die after my anesthesia…

Should've came to the right place brah. Simple as that.

high iq thread but your theory revolves a lot around personal subjectivity

No, it doesn't. It revolves around countless examples (trend noticing) with a personal story in addition to that.

 

[edodalic29]

 

[Acquiescence]

Normal aging -
Usually looking old and tired and lost considerable hair by early 30s, and for many, even mid to late 20s depending on lifestyle and genetics.