Money is not a cope

[Octavian_Augustus]

Capitalism is great and communism is awful.

 

[vinn98]

No this website allows Free Speech unlike Reddit.

 

[schizo echochamber]

Capitalism is great and communism is awful.

nigga is captain obvious

 

[thereallegend]

Under socialism-communism, the money is distributed more evenly

 

[JovenCansao]

Under socialism-communism, the money is distributed more evenly

No shit
Imagine being an engineer and you see a dishwasher earn similar to you

 

[Foreverbrad]

No shit
Imagine being an engineer and you see a dishwasher earn similar to you

I don’t need to imagine this in UK

 

[The Thinker]

Under socialism-communism, the money is distributed more evenly

This has never actually happened in the history of the world. Any attempt to Communism just turns into totalitarianism. Millions get killed. It's terrible.

 

[thereallegend]

This has never actually happened in the history of the world. Any attempt to Communism just turns into totalitarianism. Millions get killed. It's terrible.

it's amazin

soviet union had the superior economy

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Capitalism is great and communism is awful.

That's why the US had to bring its democracy to the rest of the world with bombs, dropping them on schools and hospitals on every country that resisted their imperialism:

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No shit
Imagine being an engineer and you see a dishwasher earn similar to you

Socialism is not about equality of results, but about equality of opportunity.
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This has never actually happened in the history of the world. Any attempt to Communism just turns into totalitarianism. Millions get killed. It's terrible.

You were told this by the same people who claimed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (a made up excuse for war)​

it's amazin

soviet union had the superior economy

 

[dancs]

UK is basically communism at this point.

Even on a good £60,000 a year salary

When you count tax, VAT on products, motor tax, property tax, electricity bills/tax, television tax, petrol/diesel tax, council tax, medical bills, alcohol tax, rent, food, insurance tax, customs taxes, shipping tax.

Honestly your lucky to even scrape £5,000 for leisure a year

 

[User28823]

medical bills

what happened to muh NHS

 

[dancs]

what happened to muh NHS

lol it’s certainly not free

Your paying for other people’s medical bills too.

Better off living off benefits in UK

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

UK is basically communism at this point.

Even on a good £60,000 a year salary

When you count tax, VAT on products, motor tax, property tax, electricity bills/tax, television tax, petrol/diesel tax, council tax, medical bills, alcohol tax, rent, food, insurance tax, customs taxes, shipping tax.

Honestly your lucky to even scrape £5,000 for leisure a year

High taxes are the domain of social democracy - a mixed economy system that gained popularity during the Cold War because Western countries feared an anti-capitalist revolution and therefore made concessions to workers.

These concessions serve to lull the attention of the working class, they do not solve the problem of exploitation of workers by capitalists. The UK's crazy migration policy has contributed to lower wages for native workers and higher taxes because the government needs money to buy immigrants' votes.

The British government is spending huge amounts of money on war, causing havoc in the Middle East (remember Iraq) and Eastern Europe (Ukraine) instead of helping working families - immigrants from invaded countries are angry with Westerners and this is part of the establishment's plan to cause division among people. The populist right-wing benefits the most from this.​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Capitalism is great and communism is awful.

Communism is only good for the absolute dregs of society. Everyone else is much better off under capitalism.

 

[colton myers]

Capitalism is great and communism is awful.

Capitalism mogs , u need victims to be a boss

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Communism is only good for the absolute dregs of society. Everyone else is much better off under capitalism.

Can you write something more than a slogan? You have a serious problem justifying your opinion
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Capitalism mogs , u need victims to be a boss

You are cuckolds because you support a system that you complain about is controlled by (((they)))

You don't realize that capitalism has contributed to the tyranny of the 1%​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Can you write something more than a slogan? You have a serious problem justifying your opinion
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Name me one place, in all human history, where Communism worked.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Name me one place, in all human history, where Communism worked.

It is up to you to prove that communism is bad - you made the first claim, not me​

 

[Interested]

It is up to you to prove that communism is bad - you made the first claim, not me​

high iq response ngl

 

[Part-Time Chad]

It is up to you to prove that communism is bad - you made the first claim, not me​

That's in response to your assertion that Communism is good. So the burden of proof is on you.

But, not to worry, I'll do it for you.

Let's compare Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union and North Korea to Europe and America.

Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that you'd rather live in of the countries of the former? If you're answer is affirmative, then you must be destitute.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

That's in response to your assertion that Communism is good. So the burden of proof is on you.

Communism is only good for the absolute dregs of society. Everyone else is much better off under capitalism.

This is where you answered @Octavian_Augustus, not me - this is where it all started
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But, not to worry, I'll do it for you.

Let's compare Cuba, Venezuela, the Soviet Union and North Korea to Europe and America.

Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that you'd rather live in of the countries of the former? If you're answer is affirmative, then you must be destitute.

A person who has guaranteed accommodation, education and health care is richer than a person who has to pay for all this. In the USA, you can become destitute due to illness, not to mention how difficult it is on the housing market​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

This is where you answered @Octavian_Augustus, not me - this is where it all started
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A person who has guaranteed accommodation, education and health care is richer than a person who has to pay for all this. In the USA, you can become destitute due to illness, not to mention how difficult it is on the housing market​

Again, would you rather live in any of the places that I described, all of which are/were Communist. Don't give me your pie-in-the-sky academic theory. I'm giving you real-world examples.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Again, would you rather live in any of the places that I described, all of which are/were Communist. Don't give me your pie-in-the-sky academic theory. I'm giving you real-world examples.

1. They were not communist because communism is a classless society, the final stage of socialism where states cease to exist. The countries you mentioned are at best on the road to communism.

2. It's crazy to compare countries with completely different history and geography. It is appropriate to compare, for example, Cuba with Haiti, they have a similar past and location, but one of these countries has chosen a different path than capitalism.​

 

[DrTony]

It is up to you to prove that communism is bad - you made the first claim, not me​

You are not trained in science and it shows. Trying to twist the proof of burden but failing.
The null hypothesis is that communism is not superior unless proven otherwise. So far the data you have presented do not reject the null hypothesis.

 

[Deleted member 6128]

That's why the US had to bring its democracy to the rest of the world with bombs, dropping them on schools and hospitals on every country that resisted their imperialism:

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Socialism is not about equality of results, but about equality of opportunity.


You were told this by the same people who claimed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (a made up excuse for war)​

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Every society needs to operate within an hierarchy I thought communism was good but no it’s not.

Class conflict isn’t the root cause of all conflict.
Communism is so fucking tribal it literally eliminates all civil progress made yeah bro let’s just regress to the way we were 10,000 years ago in fucking decentralised tribes.
Cultural Conflict is far stronger than “Class” Conflict

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

You are not trained in science and it shows. Trying to twist the proof of burden but failing.
The null hypothesis is that communism is not superior unless proven otherwise. So far the data you have presented do not reject the null hypothesis.

That's literally the basics of class analysis that Marx talks about. Each class behaves in their best interest.

Also if you look at countries with similar levels of economic development the socialist countries produce a better quality of life. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906​

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Every society needs to operate within an hierarchy

Class conflict isn’t the root cause of all conflict.

Cultural Conflict is far stronger than “Class” Conflict

Slogans. I'm waiting for you to provide arguments for these claims​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

1. They were not communist because communism is a classless society, the final stage of socialism where states cease to exist. The countries you mentioned are at best on the road to communism.

2. It's crazy to compare countries with completely different history and geography. It is appropriate to compare, for example, Cuba with Haiti, they have a similar past and location, but one of these countries has chosen a different path than capitalism.​

There's no such thing as a "classless society". It's a naive, Utopian dream.

People are inherently different from each other, and have varying abilities. Capitalism--although far from perfect--reflects that, and allows people to pursue their potential. If you try to force a "classless society" on people, who are vastly different from one another, you're just going to create a huge black market that will circumvent the unnatural system you imposed.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

There's no such thing as a "classless society". It's a naive, Utopian dream.

This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.

In the communist primitive society, work was done by everyone who was capable of it, and its fruits - food obtained through hunting and gathering - were available to the entire community.

There was no private property and the means of production (tools, buildings, etc.) were publicly owned. Now humanity is heading back to communism, but with the difference that it is technologically advanced.

While it is true that no modern society has achieved a stateless, classless society on the scale of prehistoric communism, it serves as evidence that human societies have been able to organize themselves around principles of cooperation and mutual aid.
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People are inherently different from each other, and have varying abilities. Capitalism--although far from perfect--reflects that, and allows people to pursue their potential. If you try to force a "classless society" on people, who are vastly different from one another, you're just going to create a huge black market that will circumvent the unnatural system you imposed.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

There's no such thing as a "classless society". It's a naive, Utopian dream.

People are inherently different from each other, and have varying abilities. Capitalism--although far from perfect--reflects that, and allows people to pursue their potential. If you try to force a "classless society" on people, who are vastly different from one another, you're just going to create a huge black market that will circumvent the unnatural system you imposed.

If anything socialism is oppression of the productive and clever by the lazy and needy.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

If anything socialism is oppression of the productive and clever by the lazy and needy.

You are confusing socialism with capitalism. It is in capitalism that private owners do little and want to become even richer in order to do nothing.​

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.

In the communist primitive society, work was done by everyone who was capable of it, and its fruits - food obtained through hunting and gathering - were available to the entire community.

There was no private property and the means of production (tools, buildings, etc.) were publicly owned. Now humanity is heading back to communism, but with the difference that it is technologically advanced.

While it is true that no modern society has achieved a stateless, classless society on the scale of prehistoric communism, it serves as evidence that human societies have been able to organize themselves around principles of cooperation and mutual aid.
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Lol where's your proof of these perfect egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies. They most likely had pecking orders based on who was the most productive, strong, or useful.

Even wild animals have hierarchies within their groups. Looks at wolves, hyenas etc. Those at the top of the pecking order eat first.

It's not just human nature, but living being nature.

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Slogans. I'm waiting for you to provide arguments for these claims​

It’s completely illogical for everyone to be on the same base level what’s the point of me pursuing entrepreneurship if there’s no monetary incentive to it? There’s no point in me pursuing engineering if there were no monetary incentive. Not to mention that communism only takes on class hierarchy and not other hierarchies like looks, status and so on JFL the society would literally just break on itself as those who exceed at certain things will eventually demand to be compensated more and the peasants will support them.

Cultural conflict you think wars like the revolutionary war in America began because of class conflict and not because the Americans wanted to do away with the feudal European aristocratic system? Inb4 you say Muh it’s class conflict no the Americans didn’t want to dethrone the king they wanted a meritocracy they wanted people best suited for the roles making decisions people who have worked for that role.

The liberal west attempts to subjugate the entire world into its cultural norms while China does the same. The Roman Empire collapsed thanks to the rise of Judeo-Christianity and the death of ancestral worship. Do you think europe would have fell into a dark age if the romans elite studied their predecessors? No Ofc not lmao europe had a whole intellectual revival in 15th century just because they started studying their pagan predecessors. 2 of the biggest events in the western world neither caused or motivated by class conflict instead it was the evolution and adaption of cultural beliefs

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

You are confusing socialism with capitalism. It is in capitalism that private owners do little and want to become even richer in order to do nothing.​

Private owners and investors who in many cases got their capital through hard work. Fine you can hate on the outlier who inherits billions of dollars, but what irks me is that socialists also tear down those who are dutiful, hard-working, and frugal and who just happen to have more as a result of that work ethic. They can go fuck themselves, needy fucks.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Lol where's your proof of these perfect egalitarian hunter-gatherer societies. They most likely had pecking orders based on who was the most productive, strong, or useful.

I recommend reading the works of anthropologist Lewis Morgan.
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Even wild animals have hierarchies within their groups. Looks at wolves, hyenas etc. Those at the top of the pecking order eat first.

What distinguishes us from other animals is that we are self-aware and intelligent forms of life - there is no point in imitating wolves or hyenas, humans aren't canids.
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It's not just human nature, but living being nature.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Private owners and investors who in many cases got their capital through hard work. Fine you can hate on the outlier who inherits billions of dollars, but what irks me is that socialists also tear down those who are dutiful, hard-working, and frugal and who just happen to have more as a result of that work ethic. They can go fuck themselves, needy fucks.

Bosses steal surplus value from workers. This is what they live off of.

It's parasitism​

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

I recommend reading the works of anthropologist Lewis Morgan.


What distinguishes us from other animals is that we are self-aware and intelligent forms of life - there is no point in imitating wolves or hyenas, humans aren't canids.
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There are similarities. Those similarities arise from the simple fact that life needs to organize itself per hierarchies to solve tasks effectively and survive.

Also ironic calling out my appeal to nature when you did exactly the same thing earlier.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Bosses steal surplus value from workers. This is what they live off of.

It's parasitism​

Nope. Investors provide the capital, organization, business planning, and eat the downside. That's huge. It's not paratism. You have to give credit where credit is due. you're full of shit.

The valet parking cars at the Ritz can only park 15 cars an hour because of the fact there's a Ritz hotel there, and because the Ritz brand has been built up over a hundred years. He doesn't deserve all the value of his work.

 

[Manletmachine]

No shit
Imagine being an engineer and you see a dishwasher earn similar to you

That’s ideal

 

[moggathon]

I don’t need to imagine this in UK

roidfreak

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

There are similarities. Those similarities arise from the simple fact that life needs to organize itself per hierarchies to solve tasks effectively and survive.

Also ironic calling out my appeal to nature when you did exactly the same thing earlier.

You use this rhetoric to defend the ruling class. Meanwhile, I am on the side of ordinary people - that is the difference.

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Nope. Investors provide the capital, organization, business planning, and eat the downside. That's huge. It's not paratism. You have to give credit where credit is due. you're full of shit.

The valet parking cars at the Ritz can only park 15 cars an hour because of the fact there's a Ritz hotel there, and because the Ritz brand has been built up over a hundred years. He doesn't deserve all the value of his work.

They privatize profits and socialize losses. In this comment I explained exactly what I mean: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-femboy-manifesto.664056/post-12206189
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It’s completely illogical for everyone to be on the same base level what’s the point of me pursuing entrepreneurship if there’s no monetary incentive to it? There’s no point in me pursuing engineering if there were no monetary incentive. Not to mention that communism only takes on class hierarchy and not other hierarchies like looks, status and so on JFL the society would literally just break on itself as those who exceed at certain things will eventually demand to be compensated more and the peasants will support them.

Socialism is about equal opportunities, not equal results. In capitalism, most people earn little while a few enjoy luxury. In particular, socially needed professions are underpaid, while those that could not exist are highly rewarded
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Cultural conflict you think wars like the revolutionary war in America began because of class conflict and not because the Americans wanted to do away with the feudal European aristocratic system? Inb4 you say Muh it’s class conflict no the Americans didn’t want to dethrone the king they wanted a meritocracy they wanted people best suited for the roles making decisions people who have worked for that role.

It was a class conflict. The bourgeoisie decided to remove the feudal lords from power - just like in France. This was inevitable due to the development of trade (overseas colonies) and technology.
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The liberal west attempts to subjugate the entire world into its cultural norms while China does the same. The Roman Empire collapsed thanks to the rise of Judeo-Christianity and the death of ancestral worship. Do you think europe would have fell into a dark age if the romans elite studied their predecessors? No Ofc not lmao europe had a whole intellectual revival in 15th century just because they started studying their pagan predecessors. 2 of the biggest events in the western world neither caused or motivated by class conflict instead it was the evolution and adaption of cultural beliefs

The transformations you mention resulted from the development of means of production and ownership relations. A person who has tools from the Iron Age thinks differently than someone who deals with artificial intelligence. The invention of gunpowder itself determined the final fall of the remnants of the Roman Empire based in Constantinople.​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.

In the communist primitive society, work was done by everyone who was capable of it, and its fruits - food obtained through hunting and gathering - were available to the entire community.

There was no private property and the means of production (tools, buildings, etc.) were publicly owned. Now humanity is heading back to communism, but with the difference that it is technologically advanced.

While it is true that no modern society has achieved a stateless, classless society on the scale of prehistoric communism, it serves as evidence that human societies have been able to organize themselves around principles of cooperation and mutual aid.
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That's because they were in a desperate state and their very survival depended on banding together. They had no choice. We're talking about a modern, affluent society here, unless affluence isn't your goal, and you want to revert to a poor, desperate condition.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

That's because they were in a desperate state and their very survival depended on banding together. They had no choice. We're talking about a modern, affluent society here, unless affluence isn't your goal, and you want to revert to a poor, desperate condition.

Look at which capitalist countries have the best quality of life. We are talking about the social democratic ones (often wrongly called socialist), i.e. mainly the Scandinavian countries. This just shows that the less capitalism in the economy, the better - especially if you live in a country that does not belong to the former colonial powers, then it is best to adopt a protectionist policy.​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Look at which capitalist countries have the best quality of life. We are talking about the social democratic ones (often wrongly called socialist), i.e. mainly the Scandinavian countries. This just shows that the less capitalism in the economy, the better - especially if you live in a country that does not belong to the former colonial powers, then it is best to adopt a protectionist policy.​

That's largely because Scandinavian countries have small, docile and homogeneous populations. That wouldn't work as well in the United States (And, by the way, those are not Communist countries).

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

That's largely because Scandinavian countries have small, docile and homogeneous populations. That wouldn't work as well in the United States (And, by the way, those are not Communist countries).

Eisenhower proved higher tax rates could work -https://apnews.com/article/2184e9f18f6f4acca1ed007bdcdca818​

 

[gribsufer1]

till one day i succeed

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Eisenhower proved higher tax rates could work -https://apnews.com/article/2184e9f18f6f4acca1ed007bdcdca818​

It's funny how the people calling for "higher tax rates" are always the ones with the least amount of money to lose. Bet you would be singing a different song, if you actually had assets, wouldn't you, Lord Arthur?

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

It's funny how the people calling for "higher tax rates" are always the ones with the least amount of money to lose. Bet you would be singing a different song, if you actually had assets, wouldn't you, Lord Arthur?

I have said from the very beginning that each class acts in its own interest. I see no reasons to defend the small group of businessmen visiting Epstein's island - I am part of the working class​

 

[Part-Time Chad]

I have said from the very beginning that each class acts in its own interest. I see no reasons to defend the small group of businessmen visiting Epstein's island - I am part of the working class​

And I am acting in my own best interest, which happens to also be in the best interest of the vast majority of people.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

And I am acting in my own best interest, which happens to also be in the best interest of the vast majority of people.

No, most people are proletarians - and you are one with false class consciousness (I doubt you are a private business owner)​