Morality Is Ironically Why Society Is Corrupt and Degeneracy is Flourishing

[Deleted member 2403]

Another day another argument in a Pinkwell thread

 

[Matheus]

if i say

"its wrong because x, y, and z"

and my opponent says

"its wrong because it just is"

shouldnt my opinion win

Technically yes but usually the opposing sides has arguments like you know it’s not because you think it’s the right choice that the opposing side is irrational either.

In practice anyway it boils down to who has power and not any of that nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Technically yes but usually the opposing sides has arguments like you know it’s not because you think it’s the right choice that the opposing side is irrational either.

In practice anyway it boils down to who has power and not any of that nonsense.

there should be a system put in place where reasoning is given power

 

[Matheus]

there should be a system put in place where reasoning is given power

Power is not « given » and tbh any philosophical and subsequent political system is cope because in reality it’s just whoever takes power

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Power is not « given » and tbh any philosophical and subsequent political system is cope because in reality it’s just whoever takes power

brutal

 

[Back Alley Boy]

The ideal society would be driven primarily by logic. I think the reason society is so immoral is ironically because we are trying to be moral and not logical.

The basis of all laws that are good for a society, is logic.

Take murder for example, the law should not be "you should not kill because its bad/evil", it should be - "you should not kill because you also do not want to be killed". We should hate murder as a society because if we allow other people to kill others haphazardly, then we might be next, sounds fucked up but if society ran on cold logic like that, then everything would be more peaceful.

Basing laws on morality is ironically why society is flawed, its because MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE. Even criminal organizations like the Yakuza or the Italian Mob, etc all have "codes of honour", that are things that even the average citizen would agree with. They have their own set of morals, for example the Mob usually doesn't allow killing women and children, its an emotional and subjective "rule", they have let their emotions create an illogical ruleset, but ironically they can kill men, steal from families, sell drugs, etc.

This is the problem with morals, everybody thinks their moral code is "good enough". If we all had to operate on logic, there is no such thing as "my logic" or "your logic", a choice either is logical or it isn't, logic is based on whats objective, not on how something makes one feel. We need a logical society not a moral one, "true morals" are inherent to logic, because logic usually yields the greatest collective rule set

Imagine how much the rates of rape and human trafficking would go down of prostitution was decriminalized, think about it, its completely illogical that paying for sex is illegal, there's no logical reason why it should be, yet despite all the income it would generate for a country if taxable, despite all the people it would alleviate from suffering, society keeps it illegal due to moral reasoning.

You see that slut on instagram, a lot of you moralfags on this site would say that she is being immoral, but you would be wrong. She doesn't kill, she doesn't steal, she doesn't <insert "bad" thing here>. That's her morals, as far as she's concerned "the times have changed" and she can be a slut and "it isn't hurting anyone". She is completely moral FOR THE ERA SHE EXISTS IN.

Again MORALS ARE SUBJECTIVE, they change from person to person, country to country, era to era. Morals are pointless, we need to be driven by logic not morals, morals can be altered and therefore THEY CAN BE CORRUPTED.

You can't corrupt logic, you can't corrupt objectivity. It always is what its going to be, it will never change, any changes to a law based on logic, will also be logical, but changes to a "moral code" can easily become corrupted.

In fact modern society is the greatest example of this, Christians influenced laws using their moral code, that's why gay marriage was illegal, today morals have been changed due to EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS. People against gay marriage are seen as "bigots", "evil", etc. Now today gay marriage is legal.

ANY LAW WITH A FOUNDATION BASED ON EMOTION, IS "STRUCTURALLY WEAK" AND CAN BE ALTERED USING EMOTIONS.

MORALS CORRUPT A SOCIETY, THEY DON'T HELP IT

ayn rand already said this, quality thoughts, don’t just coom ™

 

[Deleted member 11414]

OP your one of my favourite users on this forum.
i don't agree with everything you say but its refreshing to see somebody who's articulate and doesn't just spam forced memes.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

OP your one of my favourite users on this forum.
i don't agree with everything you say but its refreshing to see somebody who's articulate and doesn't just spam forced memes.

let me guess, you think adult men having consensual sex with high school chicks is wrong?

 

[Deleted member 11414]

let me guess, you think adult men having consensual sex with high school chicks is wrong?

if there under 15 then yes

 

[Deleted member 4612]

if there under 15 then yes

i see.

what country you live in?

 

[Deleted member 11414]

i see.

what country you live in?

kangaroo land

 

[Deleted member 4612]

kangaroo land

australia. i see

 

[Deleted member 8576]

I agree but have you seen this GTA 5 graphic mod tho

wow it looks good

 

[and 79 others]

Its the moral perception of the parliament members who decide on the laws

Morality is more democratic than Laws which get decided by corrupt politicians