Morality is subjective

[Crimx991]

Yall should watch this video if you havent its really good

 

[D69mo]

Blud doesnt know le heckin basic human empathy

 

[Crimx991]

Yall

whenever i write yall i feel like @IronMike

 

[Lord Vader]

Yall should watch this video if you havent its really good

morals surround what benefits yourself. this will be the same for everybody whether they realize it or not, the only difference is the degree in which this is the case. moral egoism is law.

 

[peopleslover21]

Morals are social constructs and a indicator that free will dosent actually exist

 

[LA_vxmpk1NG]

morals surround what benefits yourself. this will be the same for everybody whether they realize it or not, the only difference is the degree in which this is the case. moral egoism is law.

Maybe there's no such thing as right or wrong and everything is rooted in survival

 

[Mecha-Man]

Didn't watch the video but you're correct. Morality is subjective. Cultures, ancestral history, technology and evolutionary biology decides them. As well as other things.

 

[Littlepickel2]

Maybe there's no such thing as right or wrong and everything is rooted in survival

Maybe it isn't rooted in survival either; maybe there are no roots, and morality is completely based on your own personal experience. If it were based on survival, then you could say it's morally wrong to kill yourself (it isn't).

 

[Mecha-Man]

Maybe there's no such thing as right or wrong and everything is rooted in survival

That is correct. There is no objective "right" or "wrong"

There is only goals and actions.

 

[Lord Vader]

Maybe there's no such thing as right or wrong and everything is rooted in survival

definitely selfishness. thats the way things should be, though. cheat, lie, and manipulate your way through life so as long as it benefits yourself and those who you care about.

 

[Mecha-Man]

Maybe it isn't rooted in survival either; maybe there are no roots, and morality is completely based on your own personal experience. If it were based on survival, then you could say it's morally wrong to kill yourself (it isn't).

It's an emergent property that society agrees upon. It has many roots, and different societies have developed different moral compasses because of this.

 

[Mai Sakurajima.]

Morals dont exist

They’re made up to construct a basis of rules so we could all live like slaves

think of law, we have to follow them or else we rot in a shitty jail

Its funny how people show morality to “animals” but cant even have morality towards literal humans

 

[Mai Sakurajima.]

Morals dont exist

They’re made up to construct a basis of rules so we could all live like slaves

think of law, we have to follow them or else we rot in a shitty jail

Its funny how people show morality to “animals” but cant even have morality towards literal humans

society is forced to believe good morals makes you a good person as well

In truth it does not make you a good person if you have morals

 

[Littlepickel2]

It's an emergent property that society agrees upon. It has many roots, and different societies have developed different moral compasses because of this.

"Roots" implies there is something set in place. There is nothing preventing morals from going one way or going the other; the roots do not exist, but mirages created by different societies have been put in place for mostly common agreement. However, this does not lead to an objective morality; therefore, it does not lead to "roots"

 

[Littlepickel2]

How often do you change your pfp?

 

[Mecha-Man]

"Roots" implies there is something set in place. There is nothing preventing morals from going one way or going the other; the roots do not exist, but mirages created by different societies have been put in place for mostly common agreement. However, this does not lead to an objective morality; therefore, it does not lead to "roots"

Morality does converge one way or the other. Where it ends up going depends on how it began formulating and what external factors interacted with said society.

My understanding of "roots" in this context is "something that causes morality to appear".

Under that definition, I would say morality has roots. It doesn't arise from nothing. It arises from self preservation, agreed upon norms amongst participants (you already mentioned this), culture, external environment, etc.

But nothing to trace back down logically for an "aha moment, so this finally explains why murder truly is wrong in the same way that 2+2 = 4"

 

[Mai Sakurajima.]

How often do you change your pfp?

every 2 hours

 

[Crimx991]

How often do you change your pfp?

me?

ive changed it once ever.

 

[Acruxes]

Yall should watch this video if you havent its really good

Morals are nearly the same thing as laws. They aren't a definitive way of blocking someone from doing something; they are both used to lower the amount of crime and civil unrest that occurs. They are both human constructs that make you a societal outcast if you disobey.

 

[Littlepickel2]

Morality does converge one way or the other. Where it ends up going depends on how it began formulating and what external factors interacted with said society.

My understanding of "roots" in this context is "something that causes morality to appear".

Under that definition, I would say morality has roots. It doesn't arise from nothing. It arises from self preservation, agreed upon norms amongst participants (you already mentioned this), culture, external environment, etc.

But nothing to trace back down logically for an "aha moment, so this finally explains why murder truly is wrong in the same way that 2+2 = 4"

Thank you for helping me understand. I was incorrect.

 

[Mecha-Man]

Thank you for helping me understand. I was incorrect.

I don't think I've ever heard someone on the internet tell me they were incorrect, truly a first.

And I wouldn't even say you were incorrect, we just had different ideas of what "roots" meant in this context. Your understanding of it being agreed upon norms and subjective, and having high variance ("nothing preventing them from going one way or another") were all correct.

 

[shedontluv-U]

whenever i write yall i feel like @IronMike

what the problem with yall

 

[Crimx991]

what the problem with yall

yeah youre right theres nothing wrong with it. @IronMike im sorry, this wont happen again

 

[shedontluv-U]

yeah youre right theres nothing wrong with it. @IronMike im sorry, this wont happen again

It's my fault, I implied there was a problem with the word "yall".

 

[shedontluv-U]

yeah youre right theres nothing wrong with it. @IronMike im sorry, this wont happen again

fym that won't happen again

I AM sorry not you

 

[Crimx991]

It's my fault, I implied there was a problem with the word "yall".

nah i tagged ironmike cuz yall sounds black to me sort of but i was definitely wrong thats why i apologized

 

[threadeffort]

Yall should watch this video if you havent its really good

morality obviously is not objective, but subjective? I mean I guess so, but if we didn't have so called "morals" thhen society would be an absolute mess lwky

 

[shedontluv-U]

nah i tagged ironmike cuz yall sounds black to me sort of but i was definitely wrong thats why i apologized

nah it's good

I litteraly use it because it sounds more black tbh

using words like , you all every time don't suit me

and ironmike is a patriot

 

[JewishNationalist]

i mean, its obvious that morality is subjective
i doubt anyone except for scammers will debate that

 

[JewishNationalist]

Morals are nearly the same thing as laws. They aren't a definitive way of blocking someone from doing something; they are both used to lower the amount of crime and civil unrest that occurs. They are both human constructs that make you a societal outcast if you disobey.

morality is made up to brainwash strong people to degrade them to the level of weaklings

 

[JewishNationalist]

Morals dont exist

They’re made up to construct a basis of rules so we could all live like slaves

think of law, we have to follow them or else we rot in a shitty jail

Its funny how people show morality to “animals” but cant even have morality towards literal humans

true but laws can be good and morality is almost always just shit

 

[shedontluv-U]

true but laws can be good and morality is almost always just shit

but how if laws is created according to what is moral

 

[JewishNationalist]

but how if laws is created according to what is moral

its just how the government wants its not about muh morality

 

[threadeffort]

i mean, its obvious that morality is subjective
i doubt anyone except for scammers will debate that

what if morality is neither subjective nor objective, we just don't know? because we don't have an obvious moral code, but the majority of the population follos specific rules based on a moral code so is it really subjective?

 

[shedontluv-U]

its just how the government wants its not about muh morality

consent, rape , majority etc

 

[JewishNationalist]

what if morality is neither subjective nor objective, we just don't know? because we don't have an obvious moral code, but the majority of the population follos specific rules based on a moral code so is it really subjective?

differences between moral code between different populations and times are obvious so if morality was objective that wouldn't happen. individuals also have different moralities

 

[JewishNationalist]

consent, rape , majority etc

why do you think they are immoral?