Most girls aren't with good looking guys

[.*my*.]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

 

[Gaia262]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

This isn't "success" as you define it.
You know the deal is with these guys you been here long enough

Actively used for their money
Actively cheated on
Very little reciprocating love.
Women actively are looking to upgrade from them.

Their relationship is utility based (usefulness).

The last time I was with a girl she was actively looking to upgrade from me. But on the outside everything looked great.

People here want real commitment, love , validation from women which they see "chad" getting not a pseudo conditional arrangement.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

I'm above average height and above average looks

 

[gamma]

Yeah they're the betaproviders after the chad's cock carousel

 

[Deleted member 15246]

I am Stacy only.

 

[Deleted member 15246]

This isn't "success" as you define it.
You know the deal is with these guys you been here long enough

Actively used for their money
Actively cheated on
Very little reciprocating love.
Women actively are looking to upgrade from them.

Their relationship is utility based (usefulness).

The last time I was with a girl she was actively looking to upgrade from me. But on the outside everything looked great.

People here want real commitment, love , validation from women which they see "chad" getting not a pseudo conditional arrangement.

Correct my high iq ethnic brother

 

[TeraCope54]

Low iq thread, those women aren't sexually attracted to their bfs.

 

[hebbewem]

Massiv cope

 

[Deleted member 14160]

You're acting like good looking guys are a dime a dozen? Even the hoes on FDS all agree they see a guy they're genuinely attracted to once in a blue moon.

 

[sytyl]

This isn't "success" as you define it.
You know the deal is with these guys you been here long enough

Actively used for their money
Actively cheated on
Very little reciprocating love.
Women actively are looking to upgrade from them.

Their relationship is utility based (usefulness).

The last time I was with a girl she was actively looking to upgrade from me. But on the outside everything looked great.

People here want real commitment, love , validation from women which they see "chad" getting not a pseudo conditional arrangement.

Reading this post all I envision is a crybaby. What you say has little basis in reality with regards to relationships within a certain age range and demographic (namely students and young adults) and only becomes somewhat true past 30-35 by which point only the dregs of society haven't sorted themselves out.

And regarding your most recent relationship, it just seems like you dated a shitty person - and even if she wasn't, how many guys out there would willingly also upgrade? Plenty.

 

[Gaia262]

Reading this post all I envision is a crybaby. What you say has little basis in reality with regards to relationships within a certain age range and demographic (namely students and young adults) and only becomes somewhat true past 30-35 by which point only the dregs of society haven't sorted themselves out.

And regarding your most recent relationship, it just seems like you dated a shitty person - and even if she wasn't, how many guys out there would willingly also upgrade? Plenty.

Yes bro divorce rates at 50% , because what i said has no basis in reality...suddenly the "love" is gone for some reason, where women unanimously instigate the divorce.

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Not only factoring in the other half is just "settling" being a complacent betabux.

Very few relationships with non "chad" are grounded on real attraction and love. If you think they are then whatever you do you.

Yes she was a shitty person she was like 38 years old unemployed living with her mum and I met her in a bar on the way to a nightclub.

 

[sytyl]

Yes bro divorce rates at 50% , because what i said has no basis in reality...suddenly the "love" is gone for some reason, where women unanimously instigate the divorce.

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We found every divorce statistic, study and fact you need to know - over 115 in all. Find out what impacts divorce (spoiler: almost everything).

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Not only factoring in the other half is just "settling" being a complacent betabux.

Very few relationships are grounded on real attraction and love. If you they are then whatever you do you.

Yes she was a shitty person she was like 38 years old unemployed living with her mum and I met her in a bar on the way to a nightclub.

Maybe we have different perspectives through way of being in different shoes. From everything I've seen from the ages of 16-30 relationships mostly revolve around social circles, extroversion and of course looks (most people are within the same range, rarely notice outliers since chads/stacies are rare and in the case of chad/stacy they almost always date down either way so the point is moot). Similarly most divorces I've seen came about as a result of the woman or man having a poor upbringing/bad family structure - I'm not discounting cases where either cheats of course that happens as well, but in my opinion it's really easy to tell whether a girl will cheat or not if you have a good read on people. I'll concede to you that most marriages are not solely based on attraction but to say that attraction and love play a small role and that the relationship is mostly based around utility is wrong.

You don't think you can achieve a relationship with a girl on the same looks level (including race and religious background) where you can be sure she likes you for you (which includes looks)? Or are you just shooting above your level or going outside your lane and complaining about things not panning out? It seems to me the relations you've had with objectively bad people by your own admission have soured your outlook and you've sandboxed yourself into a really pessimistic view reinforced by raw statistics with no context - had you engaged in relations with south asian women on your looks level from good families with a healthy perspective on life I'm sure you'd be saying what I'm saying but it seems you don't want that in life.

What OP says is more or less true, the range of men and women from below average to average to above average are all dating/fucking/whatever with one another and looks matters way less in this range relative to being "nt". Looks only starts being a halo if you're approaching chadlite/chad tier, below that and above truecel tier looks it's literally just being sociable.

 

[Beetlejuice]

It is over

 

[Gaia262]

Maybe we have different perspectives through way of being in different shoes. From everything I've seen from the ages of 16-30 relationships mostly revolve around social circles, extroversion and of course looks (most people are within the same range, rarely notice outliers since chads/stacies are rare and in the case of chad/stacy they almost always date down either way so the point is moot). Similarly most divorces I've seen came about as a result of the woman or man having a poor upbringing/bad family structure - I'm not discounting cases where either cheats of course that happens as well, but in my opinion it's really easy to tell whether a girl will cheat or not if you have a good read on people. I'll concede to you that most marriages are not solely based on attraction but to say that attraction and love play a small role and that the relationship is mostly based around utility is wrong.

You don't think you can achieve a relationship with a girl on the same looks level (including race and religious background) where you can be sure she likes you for you (which includes looks)? Or are you just shooting above your level or going outside your lane and complaining about things not panning out? It seems to me the relations you've had with objectively bad people by your own admission have soured your outlook and you've sandboxed yourself into a really pessimistic view reinforced by raw statistics with no context - had you engaged in relations with south asian women on your looks level from good families with a healthy perspective on life I'm sure you'd be saying what I'm saying but it seems you don't want that in life.

What OP says is more or less true, the range of men and women from below average to average to above average are all dating/fucking/whatever with one another and looks matters way less in this range relative to being "nt". Looks only starts being a halo if you're approaching chadlite/chad tier, below that and above truecel looks it's literally just being sociable.

I'm really talking about relationships past 25+ before that its looks, social circles ect.

No I only attract toxic attractive women I.e. women with major personality defects, strippers ect.

They have extremely low looks requirement and usually want some bitch cuck that will tolerate their behaviours. Guess they universally see these traits in me.

The equivalent would be an alcoholic old white man picking up a 4 ft 5 philipino gook to cook and clean for him and get slapped around by him after he drinks.

Women my looks level have a higher looks ceiling to compensate their own lack of looks and I dont even want them anyway or even consider them.

I exist in a grey area in the dating market.

 

[sytyl]

I'm really talking about relationships past 25+ before that its looks, social circles ect.

Fair enough, I agree for the most part then if you change 25 to 30-35, beyond those age ranges you see more examples of settling, betabuxxing and so on.

Women my looks level have a higher looks ceiling

I sincerely doubt this is the case, given your background you should be mostly exempt from this being the case even if you limit it to whatever you background is. An amicable looking guy like yourself is popular among such niches.

 

[Hozay]

All about timing, the right place, at the right time and not looking completely disgusting.

 

[Deleted member 8853]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

Sub 5 law is undisputed.
Just be average or above theory

 

[Deleted member 8904]

nigga how u get no girls

If you are what you say you are just go to a college party and get a girl

its easy af

 

[APJ]

What OP doesn’t see is the character of the relationship. The girlfriends of these average guys have had (and could get, cf. cheating, which in many places is endemic) way hotter casual partners previously, nuking her ability to treat her boyfriend with anything approaching strong desire and decency. This isn’t enviable.

However, not to worry — when Chad is in an LTR she gets bored of him, too.

 

[Ethniframementalcel]

no shit dude. women will fuck anyone you just have to give them a reason. and be at the right place at the right time.

I hate those fucking normie faggots

 

[noodlelover]

I don't see this, any time I see a couple out and about the guy is ALWAYS better looking than the women, tall, fit, muscular, and better face. This is because Chads always date multiple women or they are serial monogamous and all women wait their turn to date or marry a chad.

Instead of convincing yourself that these guys are ugly as a self worth cope, you should figure out how they are better looking than you and what you can change.

 

[Ronnie]

I don't see this, any time I see a couple out and about the guy is ALWAYS better looking than the women, tall, fit, muscular, and better face. This is because Chads always date multiple women or they are serial monogamous and all women wait their turn to date or marry a chad.

Instead of convincing yourself that these guys are ugly as a self worth cope, you should figure out how they are better looking than you and what you can change.

I too have never seen this phenomenon. If there is a sub par male dating a female it can usually be due to traits that are not too obvious on first sight like wealth, status, and NT.

 

[Ethniframementalcel]

they're all rich or drug dealers IMO

shit pisses me off when I see hot girls with busted / average / normie dudes

 

[loksr]

You started it off fine, “most girls are with average dudes” absolutely true, because the vast majority of people in the world are average looking, it only makes sense.

but then you finished it like a retard pretending that even slight increases in looks don’t give you massive bonuses. There’s really only two options here: either you’re non-nt and that’s your issue, or you’re a closet narcy and overrating yourself when in reality you’re dead middle of the road in looks or even lower. (In reality it’s probably just both)

 

[Deleted member 14543]

yooooo this is so true. but i knew if i made a thread on it, id get lots of hate

 

[Deleted member 14543]

Actively cheated on

this is the truth tho tbh

 

[Deleted member 8461]

ye most guys are in LTRs because beckies can't hold down a chad. They would switch in a heartbeat for something better though, and a lot of them cheat, and for FWBs and ONSs, beckies usually choose chad. lowiqcels get confused with hypergamy bc they think it means only 90th+ percentile men can get girls while the bottom 90% are incels. It's more like the bottom 35% of men are incels, 35th-80th percentile men can get LTRs and the top 20% can get laid with ease.

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[one job away]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

Most guys aren’t good looking so yeah.

Girls also just have a boyfriend cuz it’s convenient not cuz they actually like him or even find him attractive.

It’s better to be attractive than not to be

 

[Ethniframementalcel]

lifefuel tbh

 

[SntDomistheRealChad]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

Imo, if you pay attention these girls usually are after you first and then the other guys second, I had this thought as well. One of the girls I liked a lot went for a random black dude for a bit, but before that she was trying to talk to me but I bailed on the convo casually because it was dying down, later my high school oneitis that I dated for a bit went for the lowest class guy ever, shorter than me even (5’9). Even before him she was with a 6’2 Chad but he wasn’t nice I heard so she had to settle after. They usually settle within a friend group or something but it stings so hard when you’re grinding anD optimizing for something that doesn’t even come close to what a random luck out can get. Plus the luck outs seem to result in much higher loyalty too (think Hughie and Starlight in The Boys, although starlight isn’t actually hot but the show acted like she was supposed to be)

 

[AscensionMan98]

Most girl are with 5'7, out of shape not well groomed, sorry ass niggers with average dicks. Just go out and open your eyes. Most ugly and average girls are with average men.

I'm above average height and above average looks, in shape and I can't get a girl at 21 after dozens of times of trying because I'm shy and awkward.

Your success with women has very little to do with your looks unless you're top 1% in looks or if you're dumb enough to only want stacy and not settle for anything else

Keep in mind the forum considers the a Higher MTB in Eastern Europe as their minimal acceptable standard, or those top tier Latinas in Brazil and argentina or the Arab foids in turks.

So that would be like top 60% in eastern europe ,and top 25% in Brazil , argentina, Columbia for their Latinas, and the same in Turkey or Iran.

Now due to extreme obesity in america and america getting uglier ethnics, the dating pool is greatly minimized.

Roughly only 15-20% of foids in general are even remotely acceptable in America. So these women get sky high standards and narcy beyond comprehension.

For actual hot foids its like 10%.

So the problem was never getting a foid. its getting an appropriate standard of women . if 10% are only acceptable, then it causes a big problem .

And thus every edge is needed, and ultimately all the concepts of the blackpill come into play.