Most incels are mentalcels- the actual real causes of inceldom

[vigor]

Whilst the importance of looks and height cannot be overstated, it is obvious to anyone with an intact grasp of reality that most “incels” are not, in fact, barred from intimacy by their looks.

Indeed, normies can quite easily point out a number of subpar men with access to sex, and I could provide numerous anecdotes of friends of mine that probably look worse than many of you, and yet still have no issue pulling girls

This does not invalidate the BP, but it does show that the dating market is not one-dimensional.

As a quick exercise, note how many of the following criteria apply to you:

• You rarely go outside and socialise and spend most of your time alone
• You are highly inhibited, are afraid of talking to women and avoid asking women you like out
• You are neurodivergent or have a limiting mental illness
• You do not have a proper irl social circle or any female friends
• You are not in employment, education or training (a NEET)

If any, or multiple of those statements apply to you then you are likely a mentalcel/volcel. The fact is that to gain access to sex/relationships, you need to have access to women (through friends, jobs, school/uni, hobbies etc), you need to be able to confidently interact with those women and you need to be able to attract those women.

Looksmaxxing only covers the final base. If you’re a non-manlet MTN+ you should have no problem with women if you have access to women and are able to interact with them well. I’ve had periods when I was less attractive than I am now but pulled much more because I was in life situations where I was regularly meeting women so I actually had opportunities to pull.

Even if you’re an LTN or an attractive manlet you wouldn’t be a KHHV if you cover those bases, although it is understandable for you to still pursue looksmaxxing or opt out of the dating market in those scenarios.

Again, this is no refutation to lookism, but the fact is that you are working on the wrong things if you’re still trying to “ascend” whilst remaining a lonely, antisocial forum rotter who spends all of his time online.

 

[YourLocalLMTN]

true

 

[Lundgren]

No no no. I'm not going to listen to you. Instead I will shut myself in my room and cry about how evil women are for not giving me pussy

 

[Scars]

Whilst the importance of looks and height cannot be overstated, it is obvious to anyone with an intact grasp of reality that most “incels” are not, in fact, barred from intimacy by their looks.

Indeed, normies can quite easily point out a number of subpar men with access to sex, and I could provide numerous anecdotes of friends of mine that probably look worse than many of you, and yet still have no issue pulling girls

This does not invalidate the BP, but it does show that the dating market is not one-dimensional.

As a quick exercise, note how many of the following criteria apply to you:

• You rarely go outside and socialise and spend most of your time alone
• You are highly inhibited, are afraid of talking to women and avoid asking women you like out
• You are neurodivergent or have a limiting mental illness
• You do not have a proper irl social circle or any female friends
• You are not in employment, education or training (a NEET)

If any, or multiple of those statements apply to you then you are likely a mentalcel/volcel. The fact is that to gain access to sex/relationships, you need to have access to women (through friends, jobs, school/uni, hobbies etc), you need to be able to confidently interact with those women and you need to be able to attract those women.

Looksmaxxing only covers the final base. If you’re a non-manlet MTN+ you should have no problem with women if you have access to women and are able to interact with them well. I’ve had periods when I was less attractive than I am now but pulled much more because I was in life situations where I was regularly meeting women so I actually had opportunities to pull.

Even if you’re an LTN or an attractive manlet you wouldn’t be a KHHV if you cover those bases, although it is understandable for you to still pursue looksmaxxing or opt out of the dating market in those scenarios.

Again, this is no refutation to lookism, but the fact is that you are working on the wrong things if you’re still trying to “ascend” whilst remaining a lonely, antisocial forum rotter who spends all of his time online.

overcoming this is the main problem

 

[vigor]

No no no. I'm not going to listen to you. Instead I will shut myself in my room and cry about how evil women are for not giving me pussy

I do find it funny how a lot of guys whining about women haven’t actually been rejected

Like ER’s whole thing was that women were evil for not dating him when he never even asked one out. Just sat on a bench all day expecting to be approached by a beautiful blonde

 

[Lundgren]

I do find it funny how a lot of guys whining about women haven’t actually been rejected

Like ER’s whole thing was that women were evil for not dating him when he never even asked one out. Just sat on a bench all day expecting to be approached by a beautiful blonde

What sluts... how dare they ignore the martyr of inceldom

 

[vigor]

overcoming this is the main problem

It can definitely be difficult but you have agency over this at least

Therapy can sound like normie cope but it can definitely help mentalcels. Getting a job with a mixed gender cohort of people your age or going to college/uni is very useful. Hobbies can help too. And a lot of this is just a matter of trial and error with lowering your inhibition. Bit by bit you get desensitised to rejection. Don’t be afraid to use pharmaceutical assistance just don’t get dependent on it

 

[Lundgren]

Therapy can sound like normie cope but it can definitely help mentalcels

May gandy have mercy. What absolute bullshit did you elect to shovel onto our world today

 

[vigor]

May gandy have mercy. What absolute bullshit did you elect to shovel onto our world today

There is factual evidence for the use of therapy for certain mental disorders
OCD, BPD, depression/anxiety etc
I get that the way normies try to force it upon everyone as the solution to all problems is bullshit but some people could do with professional support or at least another perspective on their problems

 

[sasha108]

Kinda true. You don't need to look very good to slay some ltbs

 

[Lundgren]

There is factual evidence for the use of therapy for certain mental disorders
OCD, BPD, depression/anxiety etc
I get that the way normies try to force it upon everyone as the solution to all problems is bullshit but some people could do with professional support or at least another perspective on their problems

An iq of 100 allows you to be your own therapist. Take a notebook and meditate. Ponder deeply about the state of affairs in your life. Write it down and make it make sense.

 

[vigor]

Kinda true. You don't need to look very good to slay some ltbs

yeah honestly
outside of dating apps hypergamy isn’t that brutal just don’t be super ugly or short
its when you give women access to a massive pool of men that they get picky

this is why i feel bad for manlets more than anything else because the heightpill is brutal both irl and online whereas you can get away with a lot more facially irl

 

[vigor]

An iq of 100 allows you to be your own therapist. Take a notebook and meditate. Ponder deeply about the state of affairs in your life. Write it down and make it make sense.

If you have a disordered mind there will be periods where you just can’t. If you can always think objectively you aren’t mentally ill period

I have a tested iq of 138 and there are still times where I just kind of lose my shit and don’t have a balanced perspective at all because I have my own issues

 

[sasha108]

yeah honestly
outside of dating apps hypergamy isn’t that brutal just don’t be super ugly or short
its when you give women access to a massive pool of men that they get picky

this is why i feel bad for manlets more than anything else because the heightpill is brutal both irl and online whereas you can get away with a lot more facially irl

Tbh just to have sex I don't think there is huge hypergamy thing. But for a relationship yes

 

[sasha108]

yeah honestly
outside of dating apps hypergamy isn’t that brutal just don’t be super ugly or short
its when you give women access to a massive pool of men that they get picky

this is why i feel bad for manlets more than anything else because the heightpill is brutal both irl and online whereas you can get away with a lot more facially irl

Sometimes I even doubt that heightism is THAT brutal. Like my friend who is around 5'7(i guess) gets more bitches than some taller guys here. Because of socialization. And yeah, he is not tom cruise or something
I believe it is real, but it's not that bad for just slaying at clubs. I'm not sure about regular life tho

 

[vigor]

Sometimes I even doubt that heightism is THAT brutal. Like my friend who is around 5'7(i guess) gets more bitches than some taller guys here. Because of socialization. And yeah, he is not tom cruise or something
I believe it is real, but it's not that bad for just slaying at clubs. I'm not sure about regular life tho

Depends where you are tbh
My area is pretty tall (predominantly white british uni known for its sports so plenty of tall jacked dudes at clubs) and so being a manlet would be tough here
But I do have fairly short friends that pull
Its only really truly over when you’re shorter than women like sub 5’6”

 

[sasha108]

Depends where you are tbh
My area is pretty tall (predominantly white british uni known for its sports so plenty of tall jacked dudes at clubs) and so being a manlet would be tough here
But I do have fairly short friends that pull
Its only really truly over when you’re shorter than women like sub 5’6”

+ frame matter a lot
But sub 5'6 sounds like really ass

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Subhuman found in India

 

[Lowtiertroll]

Whilst the importance of looks and height cannot be overstated, it is obvious to anyone with an intact grasp of reality that most “incels” are not, in fact, barred from intimacy by their looks.

Indeed, normies can quite easily point out a number of subpar men with access to sex, and I could provide numerous anecdotes of friends of mine that probably look worse than many of you, and yet still have no issue pulling girls

This does not invalidate the BP, but it does show that the dating market is not one-dimensional.

As a quick exercise, note how many of the following criteria apply to you:

• You rarely go outside and socialise and spend most of your time alone
• You are highly inhibited, are afraid of talking to women and avoid asking women you like out
• You are neurodivergent or have a limiting mental illness
• You do not have a proper irl social circle or any female friends
• You are not in employment, education or training (a NEET)

If any, or multiple of those statements apply to you then you are likely a mentalcel/volcel. The fact is that to gain access to sex/relationships, you need to have access to women (through friends, jobs, school/uni, hobbies etc), you need to be able to confidently interact with those women and you need to be able to attract those women.

Looksmaxxing only covers the final base. If you’re a non-manlet MTN+ you should have no problem with women if you have access to women and are able to interact with them well. I’ve had periods when I was less attractive than I am now but pulled much more because I was in life situations where I was regularly meeting women so I actually had opportunities to pull.

Even if you’re an LTN or an attractive manlet you wouldn’t be a KHHV if you cover those bases, although it is understandable for you to still pursue looksmaxxing or opt out of the dating market in those scenarios.

Again, this is no refutation to lookism, but the fact is that you are working on the wrong things if you’re still trying to “ascend” whilst remaining a lonely, antisocial forum rotter who spends all of his time online.

How do you get the balls to approach?

 

[vigor]

How do you get the balls to approach?

Depends on your starting situation
You need to gradually work on your inhib

If you’re starting as a socially confident person who is just awkward around women then try to make some female friends to desensitise yourself to talking to girls.

Use alcohol or GABAergics to lower your inhib and get some experience approaching at bars/clubs. A lot of it is just about manning up for like 5 seconds to say hi to a girl, accepting whatever happens afterwards and slowly reducing your fear of approaching

But if you’re a totally asocial autist you’ll need to take it slower. Farm interactions with strangers on omegle/monkee. Strike up conversations with strangers. Get some more confident friends to wingman/guide you

 

[Lowtiertroll]

Depends on your starting situation
You need to gradually work on your inhib

If you’re starting as a socially confident person who is just awkward around women then try to make some female friends to desensitise yourself to talking to girls.

Use alcohol or GABAergics to lower your inhib and get some experience approaching at bars/clubs. A lot of it is just about manning up for like 5 seconds to say hi to a girl, accepting whatever happens afterwards and slowly reducing your fear of approaching

But if you’re a totally asocial autist you’ll need to take it slower. Farm interactions with strangers on omegle/monkee. Strike up conversations with strangers. Get some more confident friends to wingman/guide you

Depends on your starting situation
You need to gradually work on your inhib

If you’re starting as a socially confident person who is just awkward around women then try to make some female friends to desensitise yourself to talking to girls.

Use alcohol or GABAergics to lower your inhib and get some experience approaching at bars/clubs. A lot of it is just about manning up for like 5 seconds to say hi to a girl, accepting whatever happens afterwards and slowly reducing your fear of approaching

But if you’re a totally asocial autist you’ll need to take it slower. Farm interactions with strangers on omegle/monkee. Strike up conversations with strangers. Get some more confident friends to wingman/guide you

Situation isn’t awful, I ain’t autistic just never approach except for when I drink. Do you have any pills or something that lower social anxiety, that are easily accessible?

 

[vigor]

Situation isn’t awful, I ain’t autistic just never approach except for when I drink. Do you have any pills or something that lower social anxiety, that are easily accessible?

I mean alcohol is a good example. But other ones people use include pregabalin, baclofen, propanolol, xanax (be very careful with benzos, avoid unless you have severe anxiety) etc. Research them before buying, there are good threads on here

 

[Lowtiertroll]

I mean alcohol is a good example. But other ones people use include pregabalin, baclofen, propanolol, xanax (be very careful with benzos, avoid unless you have severe anxiety) etc. Research them before buying, there are good threads on here

Thanks brother

 

[Detective]

and what if that mental issue caused by your looks?

 

[Detective]

mental pill is true ngl

 

[xXXxZeusxXXx]

Whilst the importance of looks and height cannot be overstated, it is obvious to anyone with an intact grasp of reality that most “incels” are not, in fact, barred from intimacy by their looks.

Indeed, normies can quite easily point out a number of subpar men with access to sex, and I could provide numerous anecdotes of friends of mine that probably look worse than many of you, and yet still have no issue pulling girls

This does not invalidate the BP, but it does show that the dating market is not one-dimensional.

As a quick exercise, note how many of the following criteria apply to you:

• You rarely go outside and socialise and spend most of your time alone
• You are highly inhibited, are afraid of talking to women and avoid asking women you like out
• You are neurodivergent or have a limiting mental illness
• You do not have a proper irl social circle or any female friends
• You are not in employment, education or training (a NEET)

If any, or multiple of those statements apply to you then you are likely a mentalcel/volcel. The fact is that to gain access to sex/relationships, you need to have access to women (through friends, jobs, school/uni, hobbies etc), you need to be able to confidently interact with those women and you need to be able to attract those women.

Looksmaxxing only covers the final base. If you’re a non-manlet MTN+ you should have no problem with women if you have access to women and are able to interact with them well. I’ve had periods when I was less attractive than I am now but pulled much more because I was in life situations where I was regularly meeting women so I actually had opportunities to pull.

Even if you’re an LTN or an attractive manlet you wouldn’t be a KHHV if you cover those bases, although it is understandable for you to still pursue looksmaxxing or opt out of the dating market in those scenarios.

Again, this is no refutation to lookism, but the fact is that you are working on the wrong things if you’re still trying to “ascend” whilst remaining a lonely, antisocial forum rotter who spends all of his time online.

dnr, just have game theory

 

[vigor]

dnr, just have game theory

It’s not “game”
I’m saying that you CANNOT pull if you don’t interact with women and can’t hold a conversation
You don’t need tricks or manipulation tactics. To not be an incel you just need to look decent and be vaguely socially competent and have access to women

To actively *slay* all the time and gain status because of your looks you need to be attractive, but most men would absolutely be able to pull an LTB or even MTB if they were willing to face rejection a few times and surrounded themselves with a few

 

[miserycel]

Whilst the importance of looks and height cannot be overstated, it is obvious to anyone with an intact grasp of reality that most “incels” are not, in fact, barred from intimacy by their looks.

Indeed, normies can quite easily point out a number of subpar men with access to sex, and I could provide numerous anecdotes of friends of mine that probably look worse than many of you, and yet still have no issue pulling girls

This does not invalidate the BP, but it does show that the dating market is not one-dimensional.

As a quick exercise, note how many of the following criteria apply to you:

• You rarely go outside and socialise and spend most of your time alone
• You are highly inhibited, are afraid of talking to women and avoid asking women you like out
• You are neurodivergent or have a limiting mental illness
• You do not have a proper irl social circle or any female friends
• You are not in employment, education or training (a NEET)

If any, or multiple of those statements apply to you then you are likely a mentalcel/volcel. The fact is that to gain access to sex/relationships, you need to have access to women (through friends, jobs, school/uni, hobbies etc), you need to be able to confidently interact with those women and you need to be able to attract those women.

Looksmaxxing only covers the final base. If you’re a non-manlet MTN+ you should have no problem with women if you have access to women and are able to interact with them well. I’ve had periods when I was less attractive than I am now but pulled much more because I was in life situations where I was regularly meeting women so I actually had opportunities to pull.

Even if you’re an LTN or an attractive manlet you wouldn’t be a KHHV if you cover those bases, although it is understandable for you to still pursue looksmaxxing or opt out of the dating market in those scenarios.

Again, this is no refutation to lookism, but the fact is that you are working on the wrong things if you’re still trying to “ascend” whilst remaining a lonely, antisocial forum rotter who spends all of his time online.

Truth Nuke

Majority of incels including myself were nurtured in horrible environments and have failed to escape the consequences of that to this day.

I know a normie who comes from a healthy family and he’s genuinely an obese sub-5 yet has a whole roster of + isn’t KHHV. It’s that fucking important

 

[vigor]

Truth Nuke

Majority of incels including myself were nurtured in horrible environments and have failed to escape the consequences of that to this day.

I know a normie who comes from a healthy family and he’s genuinely an obese sub-5 yet has a whole roster of + isn’t KHHV. It’s that fucking important

Yeah out of my incel friendgroup from school, the first one to get laid was the 300lb obese nigcel purely because he was low inhib

Some of the others who are genuinely MTNs are incels at 20 because they’re still cucked by inhibition, lack of effort and still living with their parents rather than moving away like I did

 

[miserycel]

Yeah out of my incel friendgroup from school, the first one to get laid was the 300lb obese nigcel purely because he was low inhib

Some of the others who are genuinely MTNs are incels at 20 because they’re still cucked by inhibition, lack of effort and still living with their parents rather than moving away like I did

Moving away is hard but I’m working towards that now + it’s lowkey underrated how integral showing a private space is to a relationship (+ getting away from shitty family ofc)

Sadly I’m ND and super high inhib but I refuse to let it hinder me much longer, gonna try get anti-anxiety meds