Most LTRs I see are cucked, is it even worth it nowadays?

[GymBro2000]

Did you observe the same? Most times I See couples outside, in my social circle, in stores or restaurants, the girl seems bored, demands everytime something from the guy, only dresses nice or make up when they go outside. Sometimes it seems that she doesent even want to be seen with her bf. Even when their bf mogs them lookswise.
in addition, only the first time is nice in a relationship (honeymoon).
If you now consider that the girlfriend can always get another man with the help of social media or dating apps, is it still worth starting a relationship?

 

[Deleted member 4310]

It's the biggest scam a man can fall for unless he's Chad. You will only lose as a sub8 male.

 

[Ghostcel]

At this point I already gave up on western girls

 

[Deleted member 245]

I notice that women look bored when with an average or ugly guy but look happy when with a Chad. This is the detail that "I see ugly guys with girls" copers miss. Women cannot love a non Chad male.

 

[GymBro2000]

I notice that women look bored when with an average or ugly guy but look happy when with a Chad. This is the detail that "I see ugly guys with girls" copers miss. Women cannot love a non Chad male.

Yea... As an average guy you are nothing to her, she can get every normie she wants for an ltr, only chad satisfies her dopamin receptors, if she experienced it one time it’s game over

 

[john2]

Normal betabux Relationships < Escortceling < Fwb (being a chadlite or chad with no terms and conditions) < ONS (being a Chad) < LTR {as a Chad = unconditional, eternal love}.

This is why, i'm only going to looksmax to feel better, mog other men and hopefully escortcel once in a while, because I have no hope of being in a LTR as a subChad male. i'll only be a betabux. I'd rather pay a hotter hooker and avoid dealing with the relationship mess.

Tbh, OP, I've been seeing threads on this topic being posted frequently, lately.

 

[Zdeweilx]

I notice that women look bored when with an average or ugly guy but look happy when with a Chad. This is the detail that "I see ugly guys with girls" copers miss. Women cannot love a non Chad male.

Fuck thats very true
Didnt think about this but yea thats very much fucking true
Fuck women

 

[janglebawl]

No just Escortmax/onenight stand or FWB.

 

[GymBro2000]

Normal betabux Relationships < Escortceling < Fwb (being a chadlite or chad with no terms and conditions) < ONS (being a Chad) < LTR {as a Chad = unconditional, eternal love}.

This is why, i'm only going to looksmax to feel better, mog other men and hopefully escortcel once in a while, because I have no hope of being in a LTR as a subChad male. i'll only be a betabux. I'd rather pay a hotter hooker and avoid dealing with the relationship mess.

Tbh, OP, I've been seeing threads on this topic being posted frequently, lately.

Imagine how the situation is in 10-20 years, society has to collapse soon

 

[rockndogs]

Tbh my ltr is pretty good

 

[Blackout.xl]

I notice that women look bored when with an average or ugly guy but look happy when with a Chad. This is the detail that "I see ugly guys with girls" copers miss. Women cannot love a non Chad male.

80/20 is law forever

 

[GymBro2000]

Tbh my ltr is pretty good

How long is it going?

 

[fukmylyf]

LTRs are dead.

 

[rockndogs]

How long is it going?

4 months

 

[SpearOfOrion]

I've gotten IOI from girls right in front of their cuck boyfriends. I don't know why some of them get in ltrs with subhumans anyways, they probably don't have sex.

 

[Bechadish]

Bro.
Yes looks means a lot.
But, one has to learn to not be a beta, nor a betabux.
If a girl is with you for you, for your looks, or that you even MOG her, you KNOW that she loves you.
So why beeing laxist ?
One has to learn to get the girl yes that's one thing, but to keep her too.
You have to have the control, not her, to feel like she NEEDS you at ALL cost, not that you NEED her.
It's an absolute certainty, there will always be objectively better lookings dudes than you - yeah even to barrett or opry -, but what will makes a girl stay with you after reaching the obvious looks treshold, is your BEHAVIOUR.
Unironically, because i'm not a fan of personality but here it matters.
@Usum Can explain it to you too.

 

[eduardkoopman]

If you now consider that the girlfriend can always get another man with the help of social media or dating apps, is it still worth starting a relationship?

One forgets to question. Whay we should want this or not. And for how long.

What is the essential point of a relationship, anyways?

Misconceptions imo.
Romantic propaganda of life long partner, the Disney Love concept, eternal love, etc..
Is all Human created concepts from the past, because it worked very well.
Why did that concept work well, in history?
- Women had like 6 kids from young age onwards, and needed male to stick around for long
- Life was hard, people died young (average lifespan like 40's, so lifelong wasn'ty as long as now) and a paired up couple had a better chance of survival
- Easy way to transfer all possesions, land, etc.. after death from the then dead parents to children.

Outdated. it is now. Women have like 1. something kids. We get really old. Life is easy and safe. Women are self-supportive or can get free money from wellfare. Kids can manage comfortable, no need to transfer death wealth to kids as 1 unit.

Nowadays.
Why still run that outdated concept?
Circumstancs have changed. That old fake/cope concept was false to begin with, but just a nice spin on a harsh reality of trying to survive.

The only point for a relationship is:
* getting kids together.

Since nowadays life is easy. I would think the new norm of relationships will be like this (which will be set by women, because women hold the power for the type of relationships that exists), broughtly speaking on average:

1. At young age, when she don't want children yet. Fucking around at young age, with hot cool etc. dudes; and "having fun" in general
2. When want children (somewhere in later 20's and 30's). Try to get into relationship with a man to have 1 (maybe 2) kid with. Sacrifise like 5/6 years for going full out for raising young kid. (after 5, mentally speaking child is set for like 80%, and it's easier after that age). Then separate from dude again, and co-raise the child a bit.
3. Have more fun again.

This makes most sense. There hasn't been made a cool ceoncept/story around it yet, like the Disney life long partnership concept.

Don't forget.
Throughout history. Humans (aka females) mating stratgies have been plenty changefull, and adaptive to the circumstances. We humans don't have 1 set mating strategy. And therefore, don't buy into that Disney Love concept from the recent history time.
* In the early time, when humans were less sticking to 1 place and hunter gatherers, that travelled around in small communities. Women were mostly only matting with the top 30% of males of the group also. The community (helped) raised the children.*
* It all changed, when humans invented "agricultural ways of food agining"; and humans decided to stick to 1 place/spot. Where it became important to own/have your own piece of land, to grow food and animals. And then women decided to go for the mating startegy of: 1 male for 1 woman, so the land owned by the couple could be "milked" together by the couple-unit and transfered to the children after death.
* nowadays, people in mny places become more nomadic/location changing again. So it's back to the earlier times, ofwomen chosing top % men to mate with.

* http://static1.squarespace.com/stat...60/Vol1_ch23_Apicella,Crittenden_in+press.pdf

 

[GymBro2000]

One forgets to question. Whay we should want this or not. And for how long.

What is the essential point of a relationship, anyways?

Misconceptions imo.
Romantic propaganda of life long partner, the Disney Love concept, eternal love, etc..
Is all Human created concepts from the past, because it worked very well.
Why did that concept work well, in history?
- Women had like 6 kids from young age onwards, and needed male to stick around for long
- Life was hard, people died young (average lifespan like 40's, so lifelong wasn'ty as long as now) and a paired up couple had a better chance of survival
- Easy way to transfer all possesions, land, etc.. after death from the then dead parents to children.

Outdated. it is now. Women have like 1. something kids. We get really old. Life is easy and safe. Women are self-supportive or can get free money from wellfare. Kids can manage comfortable, no need to transfer death wealth to kids as 1 unit.

Nowadays.
Why still run that outdated concept?
Circumstancs have changed. That old fake/cope concept was false to begin with, but just a nice spin on a harsh reality of trying to survive.

The only point for a relationship is:
* getting kids together.

Since nowadays life is easy. I would think the new norm of relationships will be like this (which will be set by women, because women hold the power for the type of relationships that exists), broughtly speaking on average:

1. At young age, when she don't want children yet. Fucking around at young age, with hot cool etc. dudes; and "having fun" in general
2. When want children (somewhere in later 20's and 30's). Try to get into relationship with a man to have 1 (maybe 2) kid with. Sacrifise like 5/6 years for going full out for raising young kid. (after 5, mentally speaking child is set for like 80%, and it's easier after that age). Then separate from dude again, and co-raise the child a bit.
3. Have more fun again.

This makes most sense. There hasn't been made a cool ceoncept/story around it yet, like the Disney life long partnership concept.

Don't forget.
Throughout history. Humans (aka females) mating stratgies have been plenty changefull, and adaptive to the circumstances. We humans don't have 1 set mating strategy. And therefore, don't buy into that Disney Love concept from the recent history time.
* In the early time, when humans were less sticking to 1 place and hunter gatherers, that travelled around in small communities. Women were mostly only matting with the top 30% of males of the group also. The community (helped) raised the children.*
* It all changed, when humans invented "agricultural ways of food agining"; and humans decided to stick to 1 place/spot. Where it became important to own/have your own piece of land, to grow food and animals. And then women decided to go for the mating startegy of: 1 male for 1 woman, so the land owned by the couple could be "milked" together by the couple-unit and transfered to the children after death.
* nowadays, people in mny places become more nomadic/location changing again. So it's back to the earlier times, ofwomen chosing top % men to mate with.

* http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54c826b8e4b0b23fee6c1343/t/566ece775a5668242bc39462/1450102391260/Vol1_ch23_Apicella,Crittenden_in+press.pdf

Nice post, makes sense thank you!
Where do you think society will go in the next decades?

 

[Bechadish]

One forgets to question. Whay we should want this or not. And for how long.

What is the essential point of a relationship, anyways?

Misconceptions imo.
Romantic propaganda of life long partner, the Disney Love concept, eternal love, etc..
Is all Human created concepts from the past, because it worked very well.
Why did that concept work well, in history?
- Women had like 6 kids from young age onwards, and needed male to stick around for long
- Life was hard, people died young (average lifespan like 40's, so lifelong wasn'ty as long as now) and a paired up couple had a better chance of survival
- Easy way to transfer all possesions, land, etc.. after death from the then dead parents to children.

Outdated. it is now. Women have like 1. something kids. We get really old. Life is easy and safe. Women are self-supportive or can get free money from wellfare. Kids can manage comfortable, no need to transfer death wealth to kids as 1 unit.

Nowadays.
Why still run that outdated concept?
Circumstancs have changed. That old fake/cope concept was false to begin with, but just a nice spin on a harsh reality of trying to survive.

The only point for a relationship is:
* getting kids together.

Since nowadays life is easy. I would think the new norm of relationships will be like this (which will be set by women, because women hold the power for the type of relationships that exists), broughtly speaking on average:

1. At young age, when she don't want children yet. Fucking around at young age, with hot cool etc. dudes; and "having fun" in general
2. When want children (somewhere in later 20's and 30's). Try to get into relationship with a man to have 1 (maybe 2) kid with. Sacrifise like 5/6 years for going full out for raising young kid. (after 5, mentally speaking child is set for like 80%, and it's easier after that age). Then separate from dude again, and co-raise the child a bit.
3. Have more fun again.

This makes most sense. There hasn't been made a cool ceoncept/story around it yet, like the Disney life long partnership concept.

Don't forget.
Throughout history. Humans (aka females) mating stratgies have been plenty changefull, and adaptive to the circumstances. We humans don't have 1 set mating strategy. And therefore, don't buy into that Disney Love concept from the recent history time.
* In the early time, when humans were less sticking to 1 place and hunter gatherers, that travelled around in small communities. Women were mostly only matting with the top 30% of males of the group also. The community (helped) raised the children.*
* It all changed, when humans invented "agricultural ways of food agining"; and humans decided to stick to 1 place/spot. Where it became important to own/have your own piece of land, to grow food and animals. And then women decided to go for the mating startegy of: 1 male for 1 woman, so the land owned by the couple could be "milked" together by the couple-unit and transfered to the children after death.
* nowadays, people in mny places become more nomadic/location changing again. So it's back to the earlier times, ofwomen chosing top % men to mate with.

* http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54c826b8e4b0b23fee6c1343/t/566ece775a5668242bc39462/1450102391260/Vol1_ch23_Apicella,Crittenden_in+press.pdf

Our ancestors were polygamous, but overall i agree.
Still there is a good room for your own power.
And i absolutely don't believe this type of mating that is becoming prevalent will stay as it is : I believe it's the symptoms of a end of an Era.
And everything leads to it : It's impossible in the long run, in a world where there are a way more Women than Men, that 80/100 of men will stay alone, unvolontary.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Nice post, makes sense thank you!
Where do you think society will go in the next decades?

Relationships wise. I think it will become way less homogenous as before, and more diverse trsategies. Based on persons wants and persona.

Birth-control is there to stay. So women won't have babies at young age and 5 babies anymore.
Therefore, I guestimate this to be the average.

Young women fucking around is there to stay. Only if massive harsh circumstances will happen (war, food scarcity, unsafe), will it be different. Becuse then young females will go bck to excanging their youth for resources and protection form males.
Young men, more inceldom for lower tier men and more ses/flings/short relationships/etc.. for the more top tier young men. Your either winner or loser.

Middle aged women (30-40) year olds. This will become the new age of having children, and child rasing fro men and women. But ony 1 or 2 kids on average. But it will more be lets sy Top 50% of men that will go on rotation for becoming father. So these men will be recuicled, as in already dad from another women, and gong for 2nd or 3rd round.
Middle aged men (30-40) year olds. The top 50% will become fathers, maybe in rotation, or the ones that don't wanna can maybe bang around bit also with young women. The bottom 50%, will stay incel-ish or maybe some will have some sex with the 50+ year old women crowd.

Later middle aged women (40-50). Dumping the father of child, aiming of going one last round fo fun, some sex, travels, etc.
Later middle aged men (40-50). Top 25% men that want to, can and will contenuously be recycled to be fathers with the fresh new 30-something year old women. The bottom 50%, can maybe land an older or same aged woman now and then.

After 60. Both men and women will pair up again or just stay alone. In fear of daying alone, for companionship, and a support person if you get sick.

People will trave around. Indentity will become less. Feeling belonging to something will become less.
Due to lack of sense of belonging and community. This should a great opportunity for groups that do feel a big sense of beloning to a group/nation/religion to become powerfull, and take more power (by force if need so).
I bet the Chinese, could make good progress, They are still very united.
The Muslims could in theory do fine also, but they always have internal fights to much. So they perform shit at gaining power.

 

[GymBro2000]

Relationships wise. I think it will become way less homogenous as before, and more diverse trsategies. Based on persons wants and persona.

Birth-control is there to stay. So women won't have babies at young age and 5 babies anymore.
Therefore, I guestimate this to be the average.

Young women fucking around is there to stay. Only if massive harsh circumstances will happen (war, food scarcity, unsafe), will it be different. Becuse then young females will go bck to excanging their youth for resources and protection form males.
Young men, more inceldom for lower tier men and more ses/flings/short relationships/etc.. for the more top tier young men. Your either winner or loser.

Middle aged women (30-40) year olds. This will become the new age of having children, and child rasing fro men and women. But ony 1 or 2 kids on average. But it will more be lets sy Top 50% of men that will go on rotation for becoming father. So these men will be recuicled, as in already dad from another women, and gong for 2nd or 3rd round.
Middle aged men (30-40) year olds. The top 50% will become fathers, maybe in rotation, or the ones that don't wanna can maybe bang around bit also with young women. The bottom 50%, will stay incel-ish or maybe some will have some sex with the 50+ year old women crowd.

Later middle aged women (40-50). Dumping the father of child, aiming of going one last round fo fun, some sex, travels, etc.
Later middle aged men (40-50). Top 25% men that want to, can and will contenuously be recycled to be fathers with the fresh new 30-something year old women. The bottom 50%, can maybe land an older or same aged woman now and then.

After 60. Both men and women will pair up again or just stay alone. In fear of daying alone, for companionship, and a support person if you get sick.

People will trave around. Indentity will become less. Feeling belonging to something will become less.
Due to lack of sense of belonging and community. This should a great opportunity for groups that do feel a big sense of beloning to a group/nation/religion to become powerfull, and take more power (by force if need so).
I bet the Chinese, could make good progress, They are still very united.
The Muslims could in theory do fine also, but they always have internal fights to much. So they perform shit at gaining power.

Brutal.. but nature was always brutal, humans found ways in the last thousands of years to make the life of most males acceptable, all it takes to destroy this was a few years/inventions and movements

 

[Hades]

If you now consider that the girlfriend can always get another man with the help of social media or dating apps, is it still worth starting a relationship?

This hurts so fucking much. To know you’re always one wrong word, one slip up, one mistake away from being cucked.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Our ancestors were polygamous, but overall i agree.
Still there is a good room for your own power.
And i absolutely don't believe this type of mating that is becoming prevalent will stay as it is : I believe it's the symptoms of a end of an Era.
And everything leads to it : It's impossible in the long run, in a world where there are a way more Women than Men, that 80/100 of men will stay alone, unvolontary.

There are only more women then men on earth, because of high amount of granny women. If we only consider women and men below the age of 50. and then it's pretty much around 100/100.

If 80% of men have to stay alone. I think it will get fucked up. But overall in the West. I think it will more be like 30% that will stay alonefor all the time untiil he's 50. A large number of lesser men, will find an older (and ugly women), single mom, etc..Maybe they can be happy with it and see that s success. A protion will go location maxxing (I know 3 guys already who did that: 1 with an Ukraine woman, 1 with Polish woman, 1 with South East Asian women). It's there way of getting with an decent looking woman, will they would otherwise be incel in 30's or having to settle for ugly-landwale-etc. women.

For above reason.
I think there won't be that uproar. that you guestimates, because 80% of men getting angry for low success.
I think you under estimated the following (at least for the West):
* men willingness to lower standards really low (the horrors I've seen and see aorund me daily (i can't beleive these men could fuck such a woman, I would almost rather kill myself));
* men being happy/content with just being an "helper", not having relationships nd kids themselfes, but content with being the cool uncle for his sisters children and helping out, etc..
* mens last option to go locationmaxxing in shithole countries.

 

[Deleted member 616]

Curiously my past LTRs were all very romantic and loving at the beginning despite me being non chad and they ended up with me getting bored (subconsciously I always wanted Stacy pussy). Maybe I was just lucky. Maybe I happened to be “their chad”. Maybe those girls hadn’t discovered the power of their pussies yet.

That said I’m still not willing to waste my time on LTRs anymore. I’ve come to realize that I was pursuing LTRs simply because I couldn’t get casual sex on the regular. Deep down I’m just a hedonistic narcy that gets bored quickly and only needs foids for validation and showboating. I’m incapable of love.

 

[GymBro2000]

This hurts so fucking much. To know you’re always one wrong word, one slip up, one mistake away from being cucked.

Or one swipe away, this is even more brutal because it was not even your fault

 

[Bechadish]

There are only more women then men on earth, because of high amount of granny women. If we only consider women and men below the age of 50. and then it's pretty much around 100/100.

If 80% of men have to stay alone. I think it will get fucked up. But overall in the West. I think it will more be like 30% that will stay alonefor all the time untiil he's 50. A large number of lesser men, will find an older (and ugly women), single mom, etc..Maybe they can be happy with it and see that s success. A protion will go location maxxing (I know 3 guys already who did that: 1 with an Ukraine woman, 1 with Polish woman, 1 with South East Asian women). It's there way of getting with an decent looking woman, will they would otherwise be incel in 30's or having to settle for ugly-landwale-etc. women.

For above reason.
I think there won't be that uproar. that you guestimates, because 80% of men getting angry for low success.
I think you under estimated the following (at least for the West):
* men willingness to lower standards really low (the horrors I've seen and see aorund me daily (i can't beleive these men could fuck such a woman, I would almost rather kill myself));
* men being happy/content with just being an "helper", not having relationships nd kids themselfes, but content with being the cool uncle for his sisters children and helping out, etc..
* mens last option to go locationmaxxing in shithole countries.

I believe what can makes your point right - unless uproar- is that human body is adaptative.
Just look at the masturbation issue : If you masturbate everyday, you'll want to masturbate more. If you restrain yourself, in the first month and during a long period you won't even think about it nor doing it.
Same goes with the fact of doing a water diet or not eating food or water : At the beginning it's hard then easier.
So i believe the concept of beeing with "yourself" in a couple as said Emma Watson will become more and more common, and anyway, the less responsibilities you have, the easier it's for you to succeed professionnally in this individualist society.

Or one swipe away, this is even more brutal because it was not even your fault

Better stay alone than that, all day.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Brutal.. but nature was always brutal, humans found ways in the last thousands of years to make the life of most males acceptable, all it takes to destroy this was a few years/inventions and movements

Don't underestimate the HUGE importance, of the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960.

Before 1960's. A woman would accidentally get pregnant at late teens. And have popped out like 5 kids by late 20's. Why? No birth control pill existed.
Now, with the birth control pill. She can have fun sex, without getting pregnant.
Check statts, of all that ahppened after 1960 (intro of birt control pill).
Here some rough outlines:

 

[Deleted member 4310]

I notice that women look bored when with an average or ugly guy but look happy when with a Chad. This is the detail that "I see ugly guys with girls" copers miss. Women cannot love a non Chad male.

 

[Bechadish]

Don't underestimate the HUGE importance, of the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960.

Before 1960's. A woman would accidentally get pregnant at late teens. And have popped out like 5 kids by late 20's. Why? No birth control pill existed.
Now, with the birth control pill. She can have fun sex, without getting pregnant.
Check statts, of all that ahppened after 1960 (introof birt control pill).
Here some rough outlines:

I mean, most scientist said it :
MEN must marry or be in a LTR before 25 yo, and even younger. The nowadays concept of getting together at close of 40 modify everything, even in our instinct, for the worst.

 

[GymBro2000]

Curiously my past LTRs were all very romantic and loving at the beginning despite me being non chad and they ended up with me getting bored (subconsciously I always wanted Stacy pussy). Maybe I was just lucky. Maybe I happened to be “their chad”. Maybe those girls hadn’t discovered the power of their pussies yet.

That said I’m still not willing to waste my time on LTRs anymore. I’ve come to realize that I was pursuing LTRs simply because I couldn’t get casual sex on the regular. Deep down I’m just a hedonistic narcy that gets bored quickly and only needs foids for validation and showboating. I’m incapable of love.

Same with me, had a few beckys/low tier beckys in the past(ltr), got bored quickly...
now focusing on fwb or ons, waiting for a stacy/lite for an ltr, but probably won’t happen with Tinder and before turning 30, but then a used up stacylite at best..

 

[eduardkoopman]

I mean, most scientist said it :
MEN must marry or be in a LTR before 25 yo, and even younger. The nowadays concept of getting together at close of 40 modify everything, even in our instinct, for the worst.

I Yeah. I see most men that re in LTR with women and having babies. These men are nearly all mid or late 30's. And these women are often late 20's at best, but more often even 30's.
So that whole " before 25" getting into LTR and Kids; I don't see happening much anymore. It postponed to 30's. And the 20's are for females more spend on fun, screweing around a bit, trying to get some education and maybe work started (some independance). For a few lucky younger men it's like that also, but for most men the 20's is pretty sucky, with long-ish dry spells and some incels and stuff like that.

 

[Bechadish]

I Yeah. I see most men that re in LTR with women and having babies. These men are nearly all mid or late 30's. And these women are often late 20's at best, but more often even 30's.
So that whole " before 25" getting into LTR and Kids; I don't see happening much anymore. It postponed to 30's. And the 20's are for females more spend on fun, screweing around a bit, trying to get some education and maybe work started (some independance). For a few lucky younger men it's like that also, but for most men the 20's is pretty sucky, with long-ish dry spells and some incels and stuff like that.

You'r right, i really need to go oversea to find a traditional woman, i want to found a family since i'm not interested in intercourse - not having much feeling for it - and doing it very soon or it's over.

 

[GetThatBread]

Bro.
Yes looks means a lot.
But, one has to learn to not be a beta, nor a betabux.
If a girl is with you for you, for your looks, or that you even MOG her, you KNOW that she loves you.
So why beeing laxist ?
One has to learn to get the girl yes that's one thing, but to keep her too.
You have to have the control, not her, to feel like she NEEDS you at ALL cost, not that you NEED her.
It's an absolute certainty, there will always be objectively better lookings dudes than you - yeah even to barrett or opry -, but what will makes a girl stay with you after reaching the obvious looks treshold, is your BEHAVIOUR.
Unironically, because i'm not a fan of personality but here it matters.
@Usum Can explain it to you too.

This girl likes me even though I’m broke and bummy right now with a lot of room to improve lookswise, does that mean she likes me for me? And when I ascend she’ll like me even more? Right now it seems like her interest dwindled because I haven’t gotten a haircut in a while and got a scruffy beard while wearing Nike sweatpants everywhere I go or everytime she sees me. But when I dressed nice she’d always notice and comment on it

 

[eduardkoopman]

You'r right, i really need to go oversea to find a traditional woman, i want to found a family since i'm not interested in intercourse - not having much feeling for it - and doing it very soon or it's over.

Yep, you need to go overseas. But likely, also have to stay overseas, to keep her traditional. Take her to USA or West Europe and it will change her plenty.
An overses tradiational woman is so, becuse of the environment. And not because of an innate choice.

A good video about this, alsthogh many faults init. The basic is pretty legit for tradtional man (plus you have a chance to get babies with a Satcy, so you might get a Chad kid)

 

[GetThatBread]

Yeah I see it all the time, this one ugly bitch looks depressed and mad that she can only attract a 5’6 or 7” Manlet simp. She’s always the one that’s leading the walk while hes carrying her food to the dorm room.

 

[Bechadish]

Yep, you need to go overseas. But likely, also have to stay overseas, to keep her traditional. Take her to USA or West Europe and it will change her plenty.
An overses tradiational woman is so, becuse of the environment. And not because of an innate choice.

A good video about this, alsthogh many faults init. The basic is pretty legit for tradtional man (plus you have a chance to get babies with a Satcy, so you might get a Chad kid)

The part of it beeing due of the environment is so true...
I've talked to it with some friends :
Bestiality is natural, not humanity, not beeing a good husband or woman. adultery is natural, not beeing virgin.
Put them in an alienated world and they will most likely become like it....
I don't know if i cope, but, since i have some ethnic people in my family, i can try to find somebody from there and bring it in west.
Do you think i'm coping that it will stay "traditional" ?

 

[eduardkoopman]

i can try to find somebody from there and bring it in west.
Do you think i'm coping that it will stay "traditional" ?

I think, most will change with time. And adopt the beleives of our West society, and what female friends will tell them.
Some Muslim type of men, do a little bit better when bringing a woman from there to the West, but that's because they isolate that woman. Altough I know my local governement tries to fight that issolation.

This is not statistics. But experiences, and what I seen and heard.
* there is this place, where quit a few Thai women life in my country. Most divorced thier husband asap after the 5 year mark was achieves (the they can legally stay here, and collect wellfare, and child support, and what not). Almost like 80% of these women did do that.
* I know dude with Ukraine woman. They not married, and she already had child from previous man in Ukraine. They still together, seems to be going pretty well/fine
* I know a guy with an south east asian woman (they have a boy, I hope he won't stay short, game over).They now have 2 kids, She is here for like 5 years now. I dunno if she is going to pull that same trick on him as above mentioned Thai women. They seem to be doing fine-ish.

All these men. Wpuld have been 100% incel or near incel.
They get t least 5 years out of it. So that's better then zero.
But the save bet is, staying in that shithole country. I mean, a dude had to go there for a reason already. Because at least at that location he had some value and the upper hand. And when you take her here, you'll give away that upper hand.

 

[Deleted member 2403]

fuck women, they deserve pain

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

theyre worth it for me because theyre my only realistic chance of a decent sex life which is a very very important aspect of life to me personally and honesly to most people as well

 

[Bechadish]

I think, most will change with time. And adopt the beleives of our West society, and what female friends will tell them.
Some Muslim type of men, do a little bit better when bringing a woman from there to the West, but that's because they isolate that woman. Altough I know my local governement tries to fight that issolation.

This is not statistics. But experiences, and what I seen and heard.
* there is this place, where quit a few Thai women life in my country. Most divorced thier husband asap after the 5 year mark was achieves (the they can legally stay here, and collect wellfare, and child support, and what not). Almost like 80% of these women did do that.
* I know dude with Ukraine woman. They not married, and she already had child from previous man in Ukraine. They still together, seems to be going pretty well/fine
* I know a guy with an south east asian woman (they have a boy, I hope he won't stay short, game over).They now have 2 kids, She is here for like 5 years now. I dunno if she is going to pull that same trick on him as above mentioned Thai women. They seem to be doing fine-ish.

All these men. Wpuld have been 100% incel or near incel.
They get t least 5 years out of it. So that's better then zero.
But the save bet is, staying in that shithole country. I mean, a dude had to go there for a reason already. Because at least at that location he had some value and the upper hand. And when you take her here, you'll give away that upper hand.

I agree with all you said sadly.
I believe too thai women and some "jungle" asian, are way more venial than let's japanese who are more high class, able to get money, and way more noble on average, the example of your 3rd friend illustrates it for now.

The fact is i'm not bad looking, not chadish though, but in slight above average range.
I'm not attracted to sex particularly that's why it's not an issue for me. But i would like to make a family, and for this we both know that a virgin - because a non virgin will have a part of the DNA of all the hook she had when making the baby which is very meh + the more hook you did, the less able to have a LTR you are, biologically - and preferably traditionnal, is the best bet.
Unless going for some christian niche which i'm not, i don't think it will exist in west, no matter what your looks is. That's why i'm thinking of it, may be i'll have to pay it by staying there for ever... Fuark why life is like that ?