“Most men never catch up again”. A thread on how a lack of teen romance can ruin your adult years for good. (Important Read)

[p0lishsubhuman]

I know even if I got a gf right now, I'd never be as happy and "fresh" in life as someone who always had these needs met and lived a better life in other ways.

Agree with everything besides the part above.

If you got a gf right now that you'd fall in love with that was a virgin, you'd be just as happy as a teen that did the same.

But yeah, in your 20s chances for a scenario like that basically evaporate.

Tl;dr It's over

 

[Outlander]

Agree with everything besides the part above.

If you got a gf right now that you'd fall in love with that was a virgin, you'd be just as happy as a teen that did the same.

I'd sure be a lot happier than now for sure, but I still believe it would never be quite the same level as if it happened in my actual youth

But yeah, in your 20s chances for a scenario like that basically evaporate.

Tl;dr It's over

100% agree. Being a 20+ KHHV basically is a set in stone fate for life

 

[Veridic]

Agree with everything besides the part above.

If you got a gf right now that you'd fall in love with that was a virgin, you'd be just as happy as a teen that did the same.

But yeah, in your 20s chances for a scenario like that basically evaporate.

Tl;dr It's over

I've had a few girlfriends post losing my virginity at 20 years old and it never fulfilled that mental gap, stacked with the entire female nature blackpill thing it only makes it impossible to not begin to resent women over time.

Wish I was down syndrome tbh, imagine living the life of a 5 year old permanently

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

I've had a few girlfriends post losing my virginity at 20 years old and it never fulfilled that mental gap, stacked with the entire female nature blackpill thing it only makes it impossible to not begin to resent women over time.

Wish I was down syndrome tbh, imagine living the life of a 5 year old permanently

so you just weren't in love with them

 

[Veridic]

Didn't read the entire thing because this is stuff I already know but it's good to see some actual blackpill here for a change instead of just immature teen talk. I'm in my 20s as an incel and it's absolutely negatively impacted my life in many ways. Your odds of ascending just get lower and lower each year you fall further behind in terms of social and romantic experiences.

An 18 year old virgin is going to get judged more than a 15 year old virgin. Likewise a 20 year old one will be judged worse than the 18 year old. Even if you somehow did ascend in your 20s or later, the mental damage is done from how much you missed in your formative years and the jadedness from all the misery and deprivation. I know even if I got a gf right now, I'd never be as happy and "fresh" in life as someone who always had these needs met and lived a better life in other ways.

Rehab room has a video called lost time is never found again that sums this up well. Some things just need to happen at the correct times or things will never be as they ought to be. Some of his older inceltv videos discussed the same general thing too, and other youtubers like heedandsucceed, savvy guy, etc

I didn't get into blackpill till I was around 19 because I didnt hear about it from some brainrot normie social media and think it was "cool" and an aesthetic like many kids do who are too young and inexperienced to even digest these topics. I found blackpill because most of my life I was excluded socially and always excluded romantically, and had many problems other than these that were major things that I had no control over. Used to blame myself too much till I got blackpilled and then I felt a lot of relief when I wasn't blaming myself so much for shit that wasn't my fault

Tbh the blackpill was just a way to articulate the same thoughts I had internally for the entire duration of my teenage years, however I couldn't accept that looks were the primary driver until I was told so

 

[Veridic]

so you just weren't in love with them

I was of course, especially with my first one who brutally cheated on me and I had to find out in the worst way possible.

After that I was never capable of truly loving them, despite having had my own doubts back then since I was already blackpilled before my first one.

It's a mental load that kept repeating in my head that I didn't have the experience required, and that I'm constantly catching up to something people my age were already years into doing. Everything felt like I was pretending and at any moment it would all collapse.

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

I was of course, especially with my first one who brutally cheated on me and I had to find out in the worst way possible.

After that I was never capable of truly loving them, despite having had my own doubts back then since I was already blackpilled before my first one.

It's a mental load that kept repeating in my head that I didn't have the experience required, and that I'm constantly catching up to something people my age were already years into doing. Everything felt like I was pretending and at any moment it would all collapse.

she might not have cheated (or would have done so much later and give you way more chances) if she was a virgin before you and didn't have anyone to compare you to

 

[Veridic]

she might not have cheated (or would have but would still give you way more chances) if she was a virgin before you and didn't have anyone to compare you to

She was a whore, but I was just glad a woman loved me at last.

The amount of red flags I ignored was ridiculous, and I do think she knew I was inexperienced. Hell I think I even told her I was a virgin

I would get told that I'm not doing something good enough, and that "other couples" do this or that. Meanwhile I'm just trying to get my bearings on the situation the entire time. Brutal how I only found out when her other boyfriend or whatever he was called me from her phone while she was in jail, and guess what? I took her back after she spun an entire story and my nervous system couldn't handle losing the person my entire self worth was tied to.

Fucking pathetic.

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

She was a whore, but I was just glad a woman loved me at last.

The amount of red flags I ignored was ridiculous, and I do think she knew I was inexperienced. Hell I think I even told her I was a virgin

I would get told that I'm not doing something good enough, and that "other couples" do this or that. Meanwhile I'm just trying to get my bearings on the situation the entire time. Brutal how I only found out when her other boyfriend or whatever he was called me from her phone while she was in jail, and guess what? I took her back after she spun an entire story and my nervous system couldn't handle losing the person my entire self worth was tied to.

Fucking pathetic.

this is too brutal to read bro, I'm very sorry. Did you fall for her because she was the first ever girl to give you attention?

 

[Veridic]

this is too brutal to read bro, I'm very sorry. Did you fall for her because she was the first ever girl to give you attention?

Yeah, the stories I have with her are way more brutal than this.

She runs an onlyfans now which should tell you how much of a fool I was back then

 

[slimester]

Aye imma ask the big GPT if this is true

If it’s not.. I’m coming for ya ass

 

[Veridic]

Aye imma ask the big GPT if this is true

If it’s not.. I’m coming for ya ass

Cage tbh, let's see what jewpt has to tell us

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

Yeah, the stories I have with her are way more brutal than this.

She runs an onlyfans now which should tell you how much of a fool I was back then

did she have bpd or sth?

 

[Veridic]

did she have bpd or sth?

Yeah

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

Yeah

you got the absolute worst scenario regarding your first love, like absolute bottom of the barrel

 

[gautama333]

Funny you mention this, while not being a slayer I lost my virginity at the age of 20, the mental aspect has never left. It does matter on an objective brain chemistry level because dating is terrifying to me despite having had some experience already, and I've essentially chemically castrated myself to avoid feeling the urge to have sex so that I don't experience the 10x increase in emotional intensity when it comes to how my brain now releases certain hormones.

Otherwise I was an incel before then, had no friends much less female companionship throughout my entire school life, and have to lower my inhib heavily to even go out to social events after hardmaxxing and diy procedures.

Same here, have a bodycount of 9 (from 0 at 19 to 9 at 21), and nothing has lead to long-term dating. Most of it, is because of my shit character, my extreme neuroticism and hostility due to the perceived otherness of the situation. I've always had some friends though, and wasn't full khhv before 20 (had some low quality opportunities), but not being nt has never allowed me to function fully normally. I'd say getting laid hasn't made it better but worse each time (dissociation, and posterior ED and drug abuse), and I've come to become a superficial, avoidant shell of a human, that would be unrecognizable to me on my teenage years. At times I wish I could've stayed a mentalcel, but there is nothing I can do to regress to that state, as both desire and it's contradiction (and rejection) have become too strong to just repress.

 

[@@@]

Great thread, has led to way better discussion than most shitty "dnr" threads. If only there was a way to warn teenagers about it sooner, the concept of social inadequacy being cultivated through repeated neglect of the ability/need to exercise it.

 

[superpsycho]

read it all

because of missing out on teen love (and among many other things such as involuntary friendlessness, getting bullied almost everyday throughout early highschool, eating disorder through 15-17 yrs old) and because of not getting the proper experiences as a teenager, i regressed into an abused dog asocial hermit, ive had this unbreakable inferior complex instilled in me since the age of 16, it existed before then but it wasnt until then that it became so strong that it interfered with my daily life. regardless, i still dont think missing out on these developmental milestones alone are the nail in the coffin to my chances at getting a girlfriend or access to sex, instead, in my case, the nail in the coffin for my dating life is my face and neurotype but for most people who missed out on important teen years they still have a chance but a much lower one at that, it is up to them whether they think it is worth it to continue trying despite the difficulties of trying to handle a relationship with a woman after not having one for the first 20-25 years of their life.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Funny you mention this, while not being a slayer I lost my virginity at the age of 20, the mental aspect has never left. It does matter on an objective brain chemistry level because dating is terrifying to me despite having had some experience already, and I've essentially chemically castrated myself to avoid feeling the urge to have sex so that I don't experience the 10x increase in emotional intensity when it comes to how my brain now releases certain hormones.

Otherwise I was an incel before then, had no friends much less female companionship throughout my entire school life, and have to lower my inhib heavily to even go out to social events after hardmaxxing and diy procedures.

sounds like your fault man
I'm 21 a virgin and not a high inhib phaggot

 

[Whiteboard7]

A child’s psychologically formative years begin at the age 13 and end at around 19 pertaining to this context. This is when hormonal reward circuits involving dopamine and oxytocin are formed, meaning that missing out on teen romance leads to many negative impacts on the remainder of your adulthood. Neurologically your chances for developing anxiety, avoidant attachment issues, and lower emotional regulation are much higher than that of what a normie’s would be. Not only this but the many other brutal disadvantages a young male has to experience going forward.

Basically this just means your social skills, calibration, and self image will suffer majorly. Dating feels harsher (if you even have the ability to by then) to your nervous system and registers as a higher stake situation, so when a negative outcome occurs the male affected by his past will take it ten times harder than what a normie would feel afterwards. Even if you do/did have friends who you’d experience social gatherings with, none of it replaces the hormonal changes your brain needs for developmental aspects specifically requiring romantical triggers shown to occur during the phases of heightened emotional reactions, love, and heartbreak.

As you enter your adult years, and for the sake of the topic, let’s assume you’ve ascended through whatever various methods were used to become a better looking person. Normies expect you to operate on their level of standards and expectations they’ve gained regardless, all while you’ve never even had a chance to even begin undergoing the same cycle they’ve already passed by this point. Women tend to become less interested the more they learn about your inadequacies throughout talking/dating stages (trust me, women are highly emotionally perceptive to these things and will always be able to tell). Assuming you got lucky enough to get with a woman into a relationship despite lacking these desired social traits, there’s always the likelihood of it never lasting with her sexual or emotional needs not being met to the standards a majority of modern women have built out of novelty that comes from dating their entire lives up to that point of their life. All while you’re only still getting on your feet at this point. Unfortunately this inadequacy can lead to red flags being ignored, especially if you fall in love with the first woman to have given you attention, causing the fear of never finding somebody else to trigger and raising your chances of having to experience getting cheated on.
To top it all off, men that are better off in some aspect, subconsciously see you as lesser to them in professional spaces, where the biological competition between our gender, we’ve displayed throughout history is at an all time high. Especially within higher paying jobs, business, or anything else based on social politic dynamics. This is only a few real life situations out of so many more I could mention, and all just as brutal as the next.

it’s important to note that this isn’t about body count or sex necessarily at all. Instead, the events your brain experiences while developing and being in a malleable state is the biggest influence however.

There is some good news, not necessarily a guarantee to succeed for those of you still reading this thread. There are ways to mitigate the damage without further affecting your self image and confidence negatively, to as big of a degree as not doing anything at all. From personal experience, as someone who lost their virginity during my adulthood years, prior to that point having undergone missing out on my social bonding development years as a young child due to being isolated on top of teen romance being a completely foreign topic to my younger self, circumstances of which I’ll explain in a later post. I managed to eventually create a solution to this issue regardless of the fact that internally this affects me to this day.
Any perceived neurodivergence, even if not clinically induced by a condition such as ASD/Aspergers, will only continue to signal your inadequacy to other normies that you are not someone desirable enough to build connections with. This applies to most cases excluding the obvious “chad looks” type outliers with its own nuancing.

The reality is people hate people who don’t match up to their standards, even if they never outwardly display this outside of feedback/social indicators of how they rank you on their internal hierarchy, and this is natural even if harsh.​

The key to creating a solution for this issue lies in developing an outward appearance persona which mimics every safety trigger within the subconscious mind. A metaphorical checklist, mentally crossed off during first impressions and establishment of connection phases occurring between people.

The goal is to understand these triggers, mimic them, and display the correct behavioral patterns. Every animal including humans perceive these behaviors as “safe/one of us” as an instinct that living beings who tend to live in “packs” or tribes as we did, in order to utilize our pattern recognition parts of the brain to spot an enemy or friend. ​

Nowadays, we articulate this as something typically being “normal or weird” due to the fact of not having to hunt in order to survive.

I’ll probably write a psychological guide thread on this in detail tbh, for those who’d be interested in NTmaxxing by understanding the neuroscience and how it can be be taken advantage of within modern times, where the average human brain is less than subpar in terms of thinking outside of google or ai. That’s not to say we’re retards, just that most people stopped using a good chunk of their critical thinking skills as we see pretty often nowadays.

In conclusion, missing out on teen love has psychological and physical effects on your life going forward the same way something like severe mental trauma can, leading to a much harder life in every aspect concerning other people. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and unless you’re disfigured or worse, there are solutions to mitigate the damage but your internal biology never fully rewires itself.

Every single living being in nature had to adapt in order to survive, humans are no different. The outcome is never a first choice, but continuance of life in some aspect regardless.

Spent about 2-3 hours in some abandoned parking lot on adderall typing/formatting this on my phone while trying not to rage at the device’s limited capabilities, cage tbh.

Did read good thread

 

[soulless_npc]

i was KHHV until I was 22 and never got laid again I'm 32 now, can confirm it fucks you up for the rest of your life

 

[Buckh0rn]

Bookmarked

 

[Veridic]

sounds like your fault man
I'm 21 a virgin and not a high inhib phaggot

Yes, it's completely my fault for not having what you do naturally back then.

Dumb fuck.

 

[Veridic]

read it all

because of missing out on teen love (and among many other things such as involuntary friendlessness, getting bullied almost everyday throughout early highschool, eating disorder through 15-17 yrs old) and because of not getting the proper experiences as a teenager, i regressed into an abused dog asocial hermit, ive had this unbreakable inferior complex instilled in me since the age of 16, it existed before then but it wasnt until then that it became so strong that it interfered with my daily life. regardless, i still dont think missing out on these developmental milestones alone are the nail in the coffin to my chances at getting a girlfriend or access to sex, instead, in my case, the nail in the coffin for my dating life is my face and neurotype but for most people who missed out on important teen years they still have a chance but a much lower one at that, it is up to them whether they think it is worth it to continue trying despite the difficulties of trying to handle a relationship with a woman after not having one for the first 20-25 years of their life.

Good add on, and I heavily agree.

My main point was what you basically mentioned about it having a major impact however it is escapable for a minority of men.

 

[Veridic]

you got the absolute worst scenario regarding your first love, like absolute bottom of the barrel

Oh boy, that's not even scratching the surface of everything I underwent with that whore

We ball though

 

[Deleted member 332520]

I’m in my 20s and in this situation but it doesn’t make me feel bad. I wasn’t dying to get a gf when I was a teenager. I do feel like I’m missing out though so I want to go have sex with hookers for the experience. I’m too nd for anything more complex than that

 

[ethin2471]

read it all

because of missing out on teen love (and among many other things such as involuntary friendlessness, getting bullied almost everyday throughout early highschool, eating disorder through 15-17 yrs old) and because of not getting the proper experiences as a teenager, i regressed into an abused dog asocial hermit, ive had this unbreakable inferior complex instilled in me since the age of 16, it existed before then but it wasnt until then that it became so strong that it interfered with my daily life. regardless, i still dont think missing out on these developmental milestones alone are the nail in the coffin to my chances at getting a girlfriend or access to sex, instead, in my case, the nail in the coffin for my dating life is my face and neurotype but for most people who missed out on important teen years they still have a chance but a much lower one at that, it is up to them whether they think it is worth it to continue trying despite the difficulties of trying to handle a relationship with a woman after not having one for the first 20-25 years of their life.

mentality is a real thing bro you just have to put all that shit behind you if you hold on to it it can be easy to spot from people and girls especially.dont let not having a girl in teen years stop you from getting one as a adult.females are top 3 important things in life some may argue money or looks are first dont let it get in your head simple.

 

[23years2late]

edited to delete, what i wrote was irrelevant to the post.

 

[ethin2471]

edited to delete, what i wrote was irrelevant to the post.

point still stands u can have success in dating as a adult with no experience in teen years its a mentality.

 

[Hahacrazy]

Oh boy, that's not even scratching the surface of everything I underwent with that whore

We ball though

Same here, have a bodycount of 9 (from 0 at 19 to 9 at 21), and nothing has lead to long-term dating. Most of it, is because of my shit character, my extreme neuroticism and hostility due to the perceived otherness of the situation. I've always had some friends though, and wasn't full khhv before 20 (had some low quality opportunities), but not being nt has never allowed me to function fully normally. I'd say getting laid hasn't made it better but worse each time (dissociation, and posterior ED and drug abuse), and I've come to become a superficial, avoidant shell of a human, that would be unrecognizable to me on my teenage years. At times I wish I could've stayed a mentalcel, but there is nothing I can do to regress to that state, as both desire and it's contradiction (and rejection) have become too strong to just repress.

I'd sure be a lot happier than now for sure, but I still believe it would never be quite the same level as if it happened in my actual youth

100% agree. Being a 20+ KHHV basically is a set in stone fate for life

After reading this thread, I must say that I really relate to the three of you. From the ages of 13 to 20, I was a turbo-incel. I was ugly and I knew it deep down. This contributed to my social anxiety, low self-esteem and overall poor social skills. Girls never bothered interacting with me, and some of them even called me ugly. Unsurprisingly, I never bothered interacted with girls myself since it seemed like such a foreign fantasy. Naturally, I turned to porn and masturbation and developed an addiction that I still struggle with today at the age of 24. It was to the point where I was jerking off and watching porn almost daily for hours at a day. I even started prone masturbation in my bed.

However, I did "date" my oneitis during that time for a few months. It was hell and did not ascend me at all. We both admitted to liking each other for a good while, and agreed to become bf/gf. The problem: she was a (mentally ill) slut and I was a sensitive romantic bluepilled boy who was already ugly and nd (i was still shy and anxious around her). I told her I loved her before the first date (which she replied to favourably before switching up on me). I pedestalized her so much. She did not seem that attracted to me to begin with since she did not initially like it when I touched her at all, even if it was just for handholding. I had to wait for the fourth date just to have my first kiss and make out session. During that date, she told me that she met her ex before we started dating just so she can kiss him. I remember I placed my face in my hands and started tearing up because this broke down my idealized perception of her. I did not understand why she would meet her ex (who she claimed to dislike) just to kiss him if she had a crush on me. She would ghost me and ignore me for hours if not days, and since I was bluepilled, I would double and triple text her out of fear of losing her. She barely even wanted to hang out with me at all and made me feel like a burden. One day when we were hanging out at a park during lunch in high school, the jocks/chads were just passing through and she just placed her face in the palm of her hands out of embarrassment. How the hell do you think I felt after that? To top it all off, she had many guy friends. I even told her to stay away from one of her guy friends since he was mean to me, and she refused. She even went to his house sometime after I told her that according to her snapchat location (he was tall btw). She ended up dumping me to immediately start seeing one of her guy friends, according to some rumours (this one was uglier and shorter than me). Needless to say, I was still jerking off and watching porn throughout the entirety of our relationship since handjobs, blowjobs, sex, or any other form of orgasmic activity was out of the question for her when it came to our relationship.

After having my heart shattered and violently sobbing for a full night, I coped with the Redpill before finally discovering the Blackpill community. When I was 20-21, I finally started getting interest and dates from decent looking girls due to a combination of my natural physical development, softmaxxing and interacting with the normie world (restaurant job, bars, clubs, dating apps, social media) after covid. I then realized that the damage was already done. I lost my virginity to a girl who was out of my league at 21, and I had performance issues. My dick would not get up and seemed desensitized. Whenever my foreskin opened up when I did get hard, my glans was so sensitive that I just felt pain/discomfort whenever it touched my underwear and the condom. The hj was also not pleasant (idk if my glans or my foreskin is the problem). I was also anxious since this kind of situation felt so surreal and foreign to me. The girl was bitchy towards me because of this. Since then, the same symptoms have happened when I am about to get sexual with a woman. All those years of inceldom and my subsequent porn/fapping addiction has psycho-sexually ruined me. I can only be in the mood when I am alone in my room, and I am considering just not interacting with women at all. I can only interact with a woman after drinking alcohol, or else I will just come across as too nd. I strongly believe that I would have turned out psychosexually healthy, less insecure, and less nd if I engaged in sexual activity when I was in my adolescence. Even though I had other problems at the time that fucked me up, desirable relations with the opposite sex whenever I wanted could have helped me tremendously. And now that I know about female nature, ltrs don't even interest me. I am a 5'7 mtn with psychological issues that might never fully heal.