MSE At 20

[VexBoxed]

I’m considering looking for MSE at 20 and am wondering if what I’m expecting it to do is what it would actually do: Wider maxilla, more prominent cheekbones, better upper lip, wider mouth

My main concern is that I’m 20 years old and the effects would to be too minimal and not be worth it.

 

[madaaa]

even if its minimal it would still be worth it because of health benefit and a wider smile make everyone look better

 

[cucklek]

its expensive af

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

 

[VexBoxed]

even if its minimal it would still be worth it because of health benefit and a wider smile make everyone look better

Yeah, and having more room in my mouth for my tongue so I have an easier time speaking should also come with it

 

[madaaa]

ive seen some user like @mvp2v1 saying that if fucks harmony tho i dont know if its true

 

[Blond3cel]

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

Really ?
Maybe cause nearly no Ortho does it or what might be the reason ?

 

[VexBoxed]

its expensive af

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

I’ve done a bit of research and find it to not be crazy expensive, you might be looking at a surgery and not the oral appliance

 

[cucklek]

I’ve done a bit of research and find it to not be crazy expensive, you might be looking at a surgery and not the oral appliance

"Die Kosten für die MSE und die kieferorthopädische Behandlung liegen in der Regel zwischen 15.000 und 23.000 Euro, je nachdem, was erforderlich ist. Falls erforderlich, können wir Ihnen zinslose Zahlungspläne anbieten. Je nach Fall müssen Sie etwa 6-8 Mal nach München reisen. Die Zeit zwischen den ersten beiden Terminen beträgt etwa 10 Wochen, danach etwa 6-9 Monate. Die gesamte Behandlung dauert in der Regel 2 - 2,5 Jahre, je nach Umfang der Behandlung."

this is what the only doctor who does it in germany told me via mail. 15-23k euros. its without surgery

 

[puffer234234]

"Die Kosten für die MSE und die kieferorthopädische Behandlung liegen in der Regel zwischen 15.000 und 23.000 Euro, je nachdem, was erforderlich ist. Falls erforderlich, können wir Ihnen zinslose Zahlungspläne anbieten. Je nach Fall müssen Sie etwa 6-8 Mal nach München reisen. Die Zeit zwischen den ersten beiden Terminen beträgt etwa 10 Wochen, danach etwa 6-9 Monate. Die gesamte Behandlung dauert in der Regel 2 - 2,5 Jahre, je nach Umfang der Behandlung."

this is what the only doctor who does it in germany told me via mail. 15-23k euros. its without surgery

Dude go to another country and do it for like 2-8k lol

 

[Soychadcell]

its expensive af

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

Only with an incision. If you are privately insured and have narrow teeth and maby sleep apnea, which you can just tell them, it won’t be that expensive. Probably around 1kto 2k euro. Something you can even earn with a small summer job

 

[cucklek]

Only with an incision. If you are privately insured and have narrow teeth and maby sleep apnea, which you can just tell them, it won’t be that expensive. Probably around 1kto 2k euro. Something you can even earn with a small summer job

sleep apnea gets tested in a sleep study

and not everyone has private insurance

 

[mvp2v1]

ive seen some user like @mvp2v1 saying that if fucks harmony tho i dont know if its true

ive seen people descend due to mse. and not because the expansion caused asymmetry (although that can happen as well). I think every case of MSE descension I have seen involved a large expansion. but that dosnt mean that a smaller expansion wont descend u also but only to a lesser extent. Ive been excited for FME to possibly yield better results but so far i have only seen the results of 1 5mm expansion (by results I mean the actual after picture of a human face as i would see them not a fucking Xray or CT I dont have Xray vision) and it was not a very noticeable change in any direction (lookswise).

 

[Soychadcell]

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its expensive af

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

sleep apnea gets tested in a sleep study

and not everyone has private insurance

It’s not that expensive nontheless

 

[cucklek]

ive seen people descend due to mse. and not because the expansion caused asymmetry (although that can happen as well). I think every case of MSE descension I have seen involved a large expansion. but that dosnt mean that a smaller expansion wont descend u also but only to a lesser extent. Ive been excited for FME to possibly yield better results but so far i have only seen the results of 1 5mm expansion (by results I mean the actual after picture of a human face as i would see them not a fucking Xray or CT I dont have Xray vision) and it was not a very noticeable change in any direction (lookswise).

so bimax with sarpe or death?

 

[mvp2v1]

so bimax with sarpe or death?

the best route is still unknown. I think if u have the time, money and patience I would do biobloc orthotropics first, followed by a smaller FME+FMA (their proprietary facemask) and then soon after get a bimax.

this is my current plan of action. it may change depending on multiple factors including if Im able to attain notable mewing results following my biobloc removal and tongue tie release.

 

[cucklek]

the best route is still unknown. I think if u have the time, money and patience I would do biobloc orthotropics first, followed by a smaller FME+FMA (their proprietary facemask) and then soon after get a bimax.

this is my current plan of action. it may change depending on multiple factors including if Im able to attain notable mewing results following my biobloc removal and tongue tie release.

biobloc orthotropics works for adults without surgical opening of the palate?

 

[mvp2v1]

biobloc orthotropics works for adults without surgical opening of the palate?

It can. there are some people for whom it does not. mileage may vary. reasons for that are not well understood, it could be how the ortho is handling the expansion or the individual's biology. For me tho it did seem to work in part. I believe only half my expansion actually expanded my maxilla the other half seemed to go to flaring teeth. Im yet to confirm with after cbct yet tho.

If you want to skip the biobloc orthotropics that's fine (although you are missing out on a bunch of benefits IMO: repositioning of mandible, increase tongue space with less aesthetic risks compared to mse and fme, increase in saggital palate length, and in many cases peoples teeth are down and back and would benefit from some "flaring"). I would personally try to at leased do something for the upper anterior teeth (procline) so u get true 3d palate correction.

 

[Hexmask]

ive seen people descend due to mse. and not because the expansion caused asymmetry (although that can happen as well). I think every case of MSE descension I have seen involved a large expansion. but that dosnt mean that a smaller expansion wont descend u also but only to a lesser extent. Ive been excited for FME to possibly yield better results but so far i have only seen the results of 1 5mm expansion (by results I mean the actual after picture of a human face as i would see them not a fucking Xray or CT I dont have Xray vision) and it was not a very noticeable change in any direction (lookswise).

I had my dental arches expanded through Invisalign and descended. I can attest to this. It simply throws off ratios when you move things around like that and it either will be an ascension or fuck u. I'd rather just have proper tounge posture and get fillers atp.

 

[moze]

the best route is still unknown. I think if u have the time, money and patience I would do biobloc orthotropics first, followed by a smaller FME+FMA (their proprietary facemask) and then soon after get a bimax.

this is my current plan of action. it may change depending on multiple factors including if Im able to attain notable mewing results following my biobloc removal and tongue tie release.

Fme+fma is only needed in my opinion.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/02/0a/22/910df53838a029/WO2020014648A9.pdf

Read this if you can

 

[moze]

It can. there are some people for whom it does not. mileage may vary. reasons for that are not well understood, it could be how the ortho is handling the expansion or the individual's biology. For me tho it did seem to work in part. I believe only half my expansion actually expanded my maxilla the other half seemed to go to flaring teeth. Im yet to confirm with after cbct yet tho.

If you want to skip the biobloc orthotropics that's fine (although you are missing out on a bunch of benefits IMO: repositioning of mandible, increase tongue space with less aesthetic risks compared to mse and fme, increase in saggital palate length, and in many cases peoples teeth are down and back and would benefit from some "flaring"). I would personally try to at leased do something for the upper anterior teeth (procline) so u get true 3d palate correction.

What are the aesthetic risks with fme?

 

[crn14]

I’m considering looking for MSE at 20 and am wondering if what I’m expecting it to do is what it would actually do: Wider maxilla, more prominent cheekbones, better upper lip, wider mouth

My main concern is that I’m 20 years old and the effects would to be too minimal and not be worth it.

Who told you that? Even when you're in your 30s you still gonna get these results

 

[kwfti]

its expensive af

in germany its more exprnsive that double jaw surgery somehow

dont nyou have a good medical insurance there? or does that not cover it?

 

[mvp2v1]

I had my dental arches expanded through Invisalign and descended. I can attest to this. It simply throws off ratios when you move things around like that and it either will be an ascension or fuck u. I'd rather just have proper tounge posture and get fillers atp.

what changes did you notice from invisalign? do you have pics? I have seen people descend from invisalign as well.

 

[mvp2v1]

What are the aesthetic risks with fme?

that it turns out like mse

 

[crn14]

It can. there are some people for whom it does not. mileage may vary. reasons for that are not well understood, it could be how the ortho is handling the expansion or the individual's biology. For me tho it did seem to work in part. I believe only half my expansion actually expanded my maxilla the other half seemed to go to flaring teeth. Im yet to confirm with after cbct yet tho.

If you want to skip the biobloc orthotropics that's fine (although you are missing out on a bunch of benefits IMO: repositioning of mandible, increase tongue space with less aesthetic risks compared to mse and fme, increase in saggital palate length, and in many cases peoples teeth are down and back and would benefit from some "flaring"). I would personally try to at leased do something for the upper anterior teeth (procline) so u get true 3d palate correction.

Hahaha wtf? Are we seriously still stuck in the time when biobloc and dental expansion were a big thing? What you’re saying makes me feel like we’re still living in the era when agga and biobloc were the holy grail

 

[moze]

that it turns out like mse

What?the results?asymmetry?can you specify

 

[moze]

Hahaha wtf? Are we seriously still stuck in the time when biobloc and dental expansion were a big thing? What you’re saying makes me feel like we’re still living in the era when agga and biobloc were the holy grail

Bro john mew is reason behind it.he says that it works in the craniofacial action group and says that biobloc is the best expander

 

[crn14]

Bro john mew is reason behind it.he says that it works in the craniofacial action group and says that biobloc is the best expander

He’s stupid and hard to talk to and stuck in outdated ideas. He should evolve his thinking, but he’s too set in his ways because he's old.

 

[moze]

He’s stupid and hard to talk to and stuck in outdated ideas. He should evolve his thinking, but he’s too set in his ways because he's old.

Exactly.i think mike mew uses custom marpe very often and said that its very difficult to change faces without using it.

 

[crn14]

Exactly.i think mike mew uses custom marpe very often and said that its very difficult to change faces without using it.

He qlsp seems to be changing his ideas day by day. He’s even in the mse facebook group. I’d be interested to know his opinion on braces&invisalign after all these years of learning.

 

[moze]

He qlsp seems to be changing his ideas day by day. He’s even in the mse facebook group. I’d be interested to know his opinion on braces&invisalign after all these years of learning.

Are you there in the mse group?yea he says that most of the people need mse these days

 

[crn14]

Are you there in the mse group?yea he says that most of the people need mse these days

No, I think the group is for people in the orthodontic field, I’m not sure. It’s my first time knowing that he now believes in mse cause the last time I heard, he was just experimenting.

 

[moze]

No, I think the group is for people in the orthodontic field, I’m not sure. It’s my first time knowing that he now believes in mse cause the last time I heard, he was just experimenting.

I heard that he uses it on some patients

 

[Hexmask]

what changes did you notice from invisalign? do you have pics? I have seen people descend from invisalign as well.

If you would like pics of my teeth from right before and then 3 weeks in ill DM you them if your curious. Even within 3 weeks you could notice the signifcant widening. Of course though your just widening your face, its not like where with MSE your stimulating forward growth to compensate for the width, leaving the maxilla and mandible more supported versus how now, I have less support on both and consequently I look slighly worse and my side profile took a hit.

 

[mvp2v1]

Hahaha wtf? Are we seriously still stuck in the time when biobloc and dental expansion were a big thing? What you’re saying makes me feel like we’re still living in the era when agga and biobloc were the holy grail

your very retarded nigga, not worth even responding seriously 2U

 

[mvp2v1]

He’s stupid and hard to talk to and stuck in outdated ideas. He should evolve his thinking, but he’s too set in his ways because he's old.

jfl ur retarded, there is no wholy grail. the things u insinuate about what I believe are all wrong.

 

[mvp2v1]

Exactly.i think mike mew uses custom marpe very often and said that its very difficult to change faces without using it.

thats right mike mew has stopped using biobloc for adults, not because it doesn't work but rather because it doesn't work well enough considering how difficult adult cfd is. Again that doesn't mean biobloc orthotropics cannot be a useful tool. And btw Im not saying it is or it isn't. retard greycel highschoolers like @crn14 are close-minded and lack the knowledge to be listened to. We still don't have good results on FME. however there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the custom marpe world. Ultimately this field is still in its infancy no matter what retards like crn14 (probably his age btw) will tell you and there are no clear cut good answers as far as what treatment you should go with. My own personal path has been biobloc orthotropics followed by tongue tie release to set the stage for further experimentation with mewing. However I have my sights set on FME+customFMA and bimax among other things.

And I certainly don't regret doing the biobloc over mse...

Keep it coping with your lf1+bsso @crn14

 

[mvp2v1]

Are you there in the mse group?yea he says that most of the people need mse these days

I like how yall are like "look at mike mew is saying about biobloc! its wrong and he's an idiot!" and then when he switches over to mse dickriding all of a sudden yalls opinion on him changes. not only was he partly wrong about biobloc (and partly right) but he is also partly wrong about mse (and partly right)

anyway I've been ascending and yall keep errr coping tiktokcels!

 

[mvp2v1]

If you would like pics of my teeth from right before and then 3 weeks in ill DM you them if your curious. Even within 3 weeks you could notice the signifcant widening. Of course though your just widening your face, its not like where with MSE your stimulating forward growth to compensate for the width, leaving the maxilla and mandible more supported versus how now, I have less support on both and consequently I look slighly worse and my side profile took a hit.

interesting take. regular mse dosnt do much forward. the ratio is like 10mm:1mm (1 forward)

 

[crn14]

thats right mike mew has stopped using biobloc for adults, not because it doesn't work but rather because it doesn't work well enough considering how difficult adult cfd is. Again that doesn't mean biobloc orthotropics cannot be a useful tool. And btw Im not saying it is or it isn't. retard greycel highschoolers like @crn14 are close-minded and lack the knowledge to be listened to. We still don't have good results on FME. however there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the custom marpe world. Ultimately this field is still in its infancy no matter what retards like crn14 (probably his age btw) will tell you and there are no clear cut good answers as far as what treatment you should go with. My own personal path has been biobloc orthotropics followed by tongue tie release to set the stage for further experimentation with mewing. However I have my sights set on FME+customFMA and bimax among other things.

And I certainly don't regret doing the biobloc over mse...

Keep it coping with your lf1+bsso @crn14

My reply seems to have triggered you. I’m sorry, dude. I’m just here to have fun and share tips, but if you’re that mad, you should really stop using this website or any social platform and consider seeing a therapist. When you recover, you can come back. IDC about your plan I’m just here for a laugh. You really seem upset, and you assumed I’m closed-minded, but you don’t even know what I think about the biobloc. Good luck with your Biobloc I’d like to see the dental expansion you’re going to get. And btw i didn't read anything you said cause it's full of hate and i can't read hate speech

 

[crn14]

I like how yall are like "look at mike mew is saying about biobloc! its wrong and he's an idiot!" and then when he switches over to mse dickriding all of a sudden yalls opinion on him changes. not only was he partly wrong about biobloc (and partly right) but he is also partly wrong about mse (and partly right)

anyway I've been ascending and yall keep errr coping tiktokcels!

I know 5 things about you: you love using the word retarded, you love coping, you probably like assuming, and you’re chronically on .org. And i'm assuming you're an old stink

 

[crn14]

Omfg this stupid nigger thinks custome marpe is completely different thing than mse god may guide you to the right path brother

 

[moze]

interesting take. regular mse dosnt do much forward. the ratio is like 10mm:1mm (1 forward)

Bro i thought you were knowledgeable but now you are saying that mewing works for adults?ok mse is shit but fme works veru well ryt?who told that fme is not good?the expansion is very symmetric and there is no much complications

 

[moze]

thats right mike mew has stopped using biobloc for adults, not because it doesn't work but rather because it doesn't work well enough considering how difficult adult cfd is. Again that doesn't mean biobloc orthotropics cannot be a useful tool. And btw Im not saying it is or it isn't. retard greycel highschoolers like @crn14 are close-minded and lack the knowledge to be listened to. We still don't have good results on FME. however there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the custom marpe world. Ultimately this field is still in its infancy no matter what retards like crn14 (probably his age btw) will tell you and there are no clear cut good answers as far as what treatment you should go with. My own personal path has been biobloc orthotropics followed by tongue tie release to set the stage for further experimentation with mewing. However I have my sights set on FME+customFMA and bimax among other things.

And I certainly don't regret doing the biobloc over mse...

Keep it coping with your lf1+bsso @crn14

Yea but life is too short to do orthotropics treatment for adults the changes will be very very slow thats the reason why mike mew switched to custom marpe.but why did you say that you dont have good result with fme?i saw some cases where there is literally 0 asymmetry and split the suture equally.fma will be better than previous facemasks.why do you think its still in infancy i dont think so with the fme

 

[moze]

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interesting take. regular mse dosnt do much forward. the ratio is like 10mm:1mm (1 forward)

Do you think bimax can help in cfd for many people as some people have problems with jaws and have good midface projection