MSE+FM is GOD

[Deleted member 3020]

15 year old gets sagittal changes in
8 DAYS

 

[her]

I mean, she's 15... Older people will most likely still get noticeable changes, but not that fast.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I mean, she's 15... Older people will most likely still get noticeable changes, but not that fast.

IM 15 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAAASAASDJJSJDJDJDJ

 

[Slyfex8]

I don't think it looks good or signifiant.

People should stop searching true physical improvements from this thing

If you are so bothered about your jaw get a true jaw surgery IMO

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I don't think it looks good or signifiant.

People should stop searching true physical improvements from this thing

If you are so bothered about your jaw get a true jaw surgery IMO

COPE MOTHAFUCKAAAAAAASAASDJJSJDJDJDJ ITS MSE OR DIE

 

[Slyfex8]

COPE MOTHAFUCKAAAAAAASAASDJJSJDJDJDJ ITS MSE OR DIE

Just MSE, maybe it's good widening after all.

Facepulling : Bad idea and you don't have underbite anyways so you will not get it.

 

[Deleted member 7776]

I don't think it looks good or signifiant.

People should stop searching true physical improvements from this thing

If you are so bothered about your jaw get a true jaw surgery IMO

It's not that simple, jaw surgery only brings forward your lower maxilla, not the upper and middle portions, which is why you need either lefort2 or MSE, rather MSE tbh

 

[Slyfex8]

It's not that simple, jaw surgery only brings forward your lower maxilla, not the upper and middle portions, which is why you need either lefort2 or MSE, rather MSE tbh

Upper maxilla if not too bad is rarely a problem from side.

Pretty sure implants can eventually do the work.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Just MSE, maybe it's good widening after all.

Facepulling : Bad idea and you don't have underbite anyways so you will not get it.

WRONG! It upswings when the maxilla goes forward, especially when the facepuller is pulling 30 degrees it will counterclockwise rotate and the mandible will rotate. Want proof? Here is what doctor Richard ting says. Plus here is what the office coordinator from my orthodontist who’s providing me MSE says.

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Upper maxilla if not too bad is rarely a problem from side.

Pretty sure implants can eventually do the work.

It's not about the side view. A good maxilla is essential to a great front profile, which is what foids see when talking to you, fucking you etc. A shit maxilla will make the midface long and flat.

 

[Slyfex8]

It's not about the side view. A good maxilla is essential to a great front profile, which is what foids see when talking to you, fucking you etc. A shit maxilla will make the midface long and flat.

Straight advancement of maxilla will keep the flat look (lefort 3)

Advancement of the lower maxilla while keeping the upper behind will give this forward look.

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Straight advancement of maxilla will keep the flat look (lefort 3)

Advancement of the lower maxilla while keeping the upper behind will give this forward look.

Personally I'm getting MSE+MSDO, maybe if this guy has it then MSE+FM first then MSDO, and then bimax

 

[Slyfex8]

WRONG! It upswings when the maxilla goes forward, especially when the facepuller is pulling 30 degrees it will counterclockwise rotate and the mandible will rotate. Want proof? Here is what doctor Richard ting says. Plus here is what the office coordinator from my orthodontist who’s providing me MSE says.

Theory theory theory.

Clinically it will probably provide these things.

Will it be really noticeable ? No.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Theory theory theory.

Clinically it will probably provide these things.

Will it be really noticeable ? No.

Keep coping you jew lover, I just gave you noticeable proof from my original post. And this is 8 days. 8 DAYS! And who knows how long she wears it a day. Guess how much MSE+FM+braces+retainers cost me? 6.7k. Guess how much a bimax surgery costs? 14k-20k. This will move the entire maxilla, the zygomas, expand your zygomas, widen your lips, wider face, wider smile, so many things that are important to the face MSE+FM gives you son. Now if you’re old, I understand, but it’s worth a try. There are plenty of mature patients who have gotten bone anchored FM results, just not significantly because for only one reason, they didn’t wear it long enough. I will say bimax surgery is good for CCW rotation though.

 

[maxmendietta]

i must be an underdeveloped maxilla cuz ion remember expanding

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Insane lifefuel for 15cels

and ronald ead's latest video really showcases his ascension compared to his videos from a year ago

 

[Deleted member 3990]

major fuck up

should stop FM

 

[Deleted member 3020]

major fuck up

should stop FM

Changes in nasolabial folds, her UE support looks better, what’s wrong?

 

[Deleted member 3990]

She will never obtain left results
it is over for her and for all who dont ask the important question here (which I wont mention now)

 

[Deleted member 3020]

View attachment 466496 She will never obtain left results
it is over for her and for all who dont ask the important question here (which I wont mention now)

I don’t understand what you just said

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I don’t understand what you just said

She will never obtain left results
it is over for her and for all who dont ask the important question here (which I wont mention now)

Should I spell it for you?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

She will never obtain left results
it is over for her and for all who dont ask the important question here (which I wont mention now)

Should I spell it for you?

Don’t think spelling is the problem

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Don’t think spelling is the problem

Why dont you ask yourself this one important question about this treatment plan and result=
So important that it is the sole reason why it even established itself in PSL forums.
A thing this ortho didnt mention unfortunately, but can be seen in the results
I even morphed for you

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Why dont you ask yourself this one important question about this treatment plan and result=
So important that it is the sole reason why it even established itself in PSL forums.
A thing this ortho didnt mention unfortunately, but can be seen in the results
I even morphed for you

I feel like you’re talking out your ass, but I believe you’re talking about the appearance changes. For one this girl obviously has been wearing makeup in the left picture and if you look at her lips, you can see it fixed her underbite, again her nasolabial folds is slowly vanishing. And this is what? 8 days? I also assume she’s going very slow expansion and has not received a suture split. Although, her orthodontist might’ve stopped facepulling since he has fixed her underbite. I Wonder what she would’ve looked like if she kept pulling with the split suture and few extra months

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I Wonder what she would’ve looked like if she kept pulling

further looksminning

I feel like you’re talking out your ass

fatal to be this deluded
2 kinds of people who have MSE and FM on their wishlist

 

[Deleted member 3020]

further looksminning

fatal to be this deluded
2 kinds of people who have MSE and FM on their wishlist

It’s not on my wishlist. I’m already getting it, and I just can’t wait to prove you wrong. In the meantime you can fix your shit English, while I ascend.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

In the meantime you can fix your shit English, while I ascend.

My English is more easily fixable than your face after treatment (and before)

 

[shibo]

Is the left picture supposed to be the before or after?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

My English is more easily fixable than your face after treatment (and before)

At least I have least priorities, for you, you have to fix your face, english, and depression

 

[Deleted member 3990]

At least I have least priorities, for you, you have to fix your face, english, and depression

If you call this after in the treatment results an improvement, I dont want to know what you understand by ascension
Ascension into lifelong inceldom

 

[Deleted member 3020]

If you call this after in the treatment results an improvement, I dont want to know what you understand by ascension
Ascension into lifelong inceldom

These results were to fix her underbite, which it did in ~8 days. Who wants an underbite? It’s aesthetically unpleasant and I would like to know what you plan on getting or have gotten. If not, you have no room to talk.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

is it better to get MSE MSDO first or Bimax?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

is it better to get MSE MSDO first or Bimax?

MSE+MSDO first, then Bimax because when you get bimax surgery you can’t split the entire maxilla with MSE just the lower maxilla.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

MSE+MSDO first, then Bimax because when you get bimax surgery you can’t split the entire maxilla with MSE just the lower maxilla.

ok ty

 

[Incoming]

Why dont you ask yourself this one important question about this treatment plan and result=
So important that it is the sole reason why it even established itself in PSL forums.
A thing this ortho didnt mention unfortunately, but can be seen in the results
I even morphed for you

What did you change? It looks like ccw rotation and slight advancement of the lower maxilla. So whats the question doc

 

[Deleted member 3990]

These results were to fix her underbite, which it did in ~8 days. Who wants an underbite?

Indeed, it fixed her underbite

by not jutting and CW rotation

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Indeed, it fixed her underbite

by not jutting and CW rotation

You autistic retard, how are you so slow? How the fuck does jutting your neck forward fix your upper lip? CW rotation doesn’t even fix your underbite. It is possible the doctor angled the elastic bands downward, but the reason I posted this is because how fast her maxilla moved and this can be incorporated with upward angle pulling and longer pulling time period.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

What did you change? It looks like ccw rotation and slight advancement of the lower maxilla. So whats the question doc

Vector of distraction

MSE and Maxillary Protraction copers tend to be the same mongs who scream "CCW or death"
indeed, it is sometimes advisable to get CW by LeFort 1 anterior downgraft, which may fix a short lower third frontally

but why miss the chance of not getting upswing when this could be the only possibility ? That is why my arguing may have looked pointless, but I myself would only do it for the upswing or atleast linear protraction

 

[Deleted member 3990]

You autistic retard, how are you so slow? How the fuck does jutting your neck forward fix your upper lip? CW rotation doesn’t even fix your underbite

very unprofessional of this doc to not include an xray or CT somewhere
oh, he is a favela Doc, that is maybe the reason (on purpose for scamming or just really unprofessional) otherwise I could prove that she is jutting
So, counter-argument, because you like to see the things on the picture so much:
Why does her philtrum got flatter or longer; nasal base moved downwards, chin height increased aswell as her mento-labial angle (because of CW rotation of jaw)
From near linear or positive movement, she might have gotten bimaxillary protrusion, whic she didnt

All this made me suspicious and that is why I concluded that she may have jutted aswell in before picture

 

[Deleted member 3020]

very unprofessional of this doc to not include an xray or CT somewhere
oh, he is a favela Doc, that is maybe the reason (on purpose for scamming or just really unprofessional) otherwise I could prove that she is jutting
So, counter-argument, because you like to see the things on the picture so much:
Why does her philtrum got flatter or longer; nasal base moved downwards, chin height increased aswell as her mento-labial angle (because of CW rotation of jaw)
From near linear or positive movement, she might have gotten bimaxillary protrusion, whic she didnt

All this made me suspicious and that is why I concluded that she may have jutted aswell in before picture

I posted this is because how fast her maxilla moved and this can be incorporated with upward angle pulling and longer pulling time period.

aren’t you a mse coper? You said you were going to dr. Andrei for mse and MSDO?

 

[Deleted member 3990]

aren’t you a mse coper? You said you were going to dr. Andrei for mse and MSDO?

indeed, aswell as a facemask
Eventhough I think I will get more braindamage from +30° vector through first principle of stress than with bonesmashing my browridge

 

[Deleted member 3020]

indeed, aswell as a facemask
Eventhough I think I will get more braindamage from +30° vector through first principle of strain than with bonesmashing my browridge

Go slow then pal

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Go slow then pal

may I ask at what vector you will be pulling and which type of headgear will you use ?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

may I ask at what vector you will be pulling and which type of headgear will you use ?

15-30, unsure yet. The one my orthodontist provides me. Dr ting says he uses reverse pull. So no stress

 

[Deleted member 3990]

So no stress

a lot of stress except you pull like <300g

 

[Deleted member 3020]

a lot of stress except you pull like <300g

I wanna pull 1kg son is this ideal

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I wanna pull 1kg son is this ideal

F is +30°
This is where tensile stress applies. Red being the highest (I suppose)

This is where compressive strength applies

Is still havent figured out what this would truly mean because I am not a surgeon or scientist and nor do I have parameters to find that out that easily
Worrying is the high tensile stress on the sinus when you do +30° because I dont know in which direction the tensile stress is applied

I also dont know what the compressive strength would mean for the lateral orbits et cetera
We would have to try and I will also begin this journey at around august when we can fly again

 

[Deleted member 3020]

View attachment 466547View attachment 466548
F is +30°
This is where tensile stress applies. Red being the highest (I suppose)

View attachment 466550
This is where compressive strength applies

Is still havent figured out what this would truly mean because I am not a surgeon or scientist and nor do I have parameters to find that out that easily
Worrying is the high tensile stress on the sinus when you do +30° because I dont know in which direction the tensile stress is applied

I also dont know what the compressive strength would mean for the lateral orbits et cetera
We would have to try and I will also begin this journey at around august when we can fly again

I’ll ask prof Moon, he usually responds on the facebook group. It’s not ideal to do 31+ for that reason. Which is why 15-30 is good. Won moon has stated no one has ever achieved CCW rotation maybe hard mewing plus the suture split can be pretty good for a CCW rotation.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I’ll ask prof Moon, he usually responds on the facebook group. It’s not ideal to do 31+ for that reason. Which is why 15-30 is good. Won moon has stated no one has ever achieved CCW rotation maybe hard mewing plus the suture split can be pretty good for a CCW rotation.

you go for treatment with Moon ?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

you go for treatment with Moon ?

No he doesn’t accept patients anymore. Which is why I said facebook group you aspie