MSE Info Update

[retard]

A lot of valuable info in this video

key points in the video:

slow expansion is best for midface changes (won moon apparently said this but was unconfirmed), by expanding slow you do not reach the threshold of deformation for the screws, meaning all the energy goes into widening the maxilla opposes to the implant bending

2. The mandible is seen in a lot of cases to expand in ages 8-21 (as long as active growth is still taking place) as a response to expanding the mandible like I had predicted it would a few months ago, keep in mind these people wouldn’t of been chewing + resting with their teeth together either and they STILL got expansion of the lower jaw on the cucked westernized diet

 

[SPFromNY914]

A lot of valuable info in this video

key points in the video:

slow expansion is best for midface changes (won moon apparently said this but was unconfirmed), by expanding slow you do not reach the threshold of deformation for the screws, meaning all the energy goes into widening the maxilla opposes to the implant bending

2. The mandible is seen in a lot of cases to expand in ages 8-21 (as long as active growth is still taking place) as a response to expanding the mandible like I had predicted it would a few months ago, keep in mind these people wouldn’t of been chewing + resting with their teeth together either and they STILL got expansion of the lower jaw on the cucked westernized diet

Lifefuel for me as I'm starting next week and I'm 18

 

[Deleted member 6892]

Lifefuel I gotta wagecuck and get it as soon as possible

 

[gucciBoio]

When are they releasing the DIY guide ?

 

[Mongrelcel]

Jesus christ imagine being that kid who was about to get mogger zygos from MSE AT AGE 10, and his whore mother fucked him over JFL

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I dont feel my MSE anymore, I fear that I wont achieve a split

I am doing the slow protocol

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Yo the homie DR ting came through

I want to get MSE from him

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I dont feel my MSE anymore, I fear that I wont achieve a split

I am doing the slow protocol

U srs bro? Every time I turn I feel so many sensations all over my face. But you shouldn’t be driving urself crazy by looking to see if you felt anything. Just trust the progress and turn once a day.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

U srs bro? Every time I turn I feel so many sensations all over my face. But you shouldn’t be driving urself crazy by looking to see if you felt anything. Just trust the progress and turn once a day.

has your suture split already ?

I only feel my molars and premolars and my Joints click when I open and close the mouth after I make the turns

 

[Deleted member 685]

U srs bro? Every time I turn I feel so many sensations all over my face. But you shouldn’t be driving urself crazy by looking to see if you felt anything. Just trust the progress and turn once a day.

Are you doing slow too?

 

[Deleted member 685]

@varbrah wasnt rapid expansion ideal for skeletal changes?

 

[wagbox]

I fucking love Dr Ting man that guy is amazing

 

[Deleted member 3020]

has your suture split already ?

I only feel my molars and premolars and my Joints click when I open and close the mouth after I make the turns

I’m on my 5th turn. No split yet. What turn u on boyo?

Are you doing slow too?

Yes. 1 turn a day, very much ideal for all sorts of stuff. Especially pain, when you turn a lot your molars hurt like a bitch and can like ting says lead to tads bending and then you lose couple of mm of expansion. But that won’t happen to me since I’m young asf!!

I fucking love Dr Ting man that guy is amazing

yep

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I’m on my 5th turn. No split yet. What turn u on boyo?

Yes. 1 turn a day, very much ideal for all sorts of stuff. Especially pain, when you turn a lot your molars hurt like a bitch and can like ting says lead to tads bending and then you lose couple of mm of expansion. But that won’t happen to me since I’m young asf!!

yep

10 or 9
I dont remember if my Ortho did the first turn or not

I started out with 1 per day to get accustomed to but then 2 per day

 

[wagbox]

yep

Hold on did you get mse / fm from him? Lmao weird to think we've gone to the same office

 

[Deleted member 3020]

10 or 9
I dont remember if my Ortho did the first turn or not

I started out with 1 per day to get accustomed to but then 2 per day

Ehhh idk if you should do 2. What is your age? Dr Ting has had successful expansion with 1 turn protocol on people above 30. You might build asymmetries if you are young since bones are more malleable. Also take d3 and k2 as well. Rn my tongue has gotten raped by the mse screws.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Ehhh idk if you should do 2. What is your age? Dr Ting has had successful expansion with 1 turn protocol on people above 30. You might build asymmetries if you are young since bones are more malleable. Also take d3 and k2 as well. Rn my tongue has gotten raped by the mse screws.

Dr Christoph Moschik told me to do 2
I am 19

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Hold on did you get mse / fm from him? Lmao weird to think we've gone to the same office

Nah I was larping as an orthodontist and was emailing him back and forth questions to gain more knowledge about this stuff. He’s a good guy, to see that he wants to help so many people even if they don’t pay him. Far better than mike jew in my opinion. Also there’s tons of people on lookism and here that go to him.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Dr Christoph Moschik told me to do 2
I am 19

Ok Won Moon knows him personally, you should be fine. Although is weird that you don’t get any sensations even with 2 turns a day??

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Ok Won Moon knows him personally, you should be fine

indeed, was abit disappointed by his conservative style though. Then again, if there are bad news about MSE in Germany, it is never going to be covered by healthcare in the future
Maybe he will become more aggressive if healthcare covers it and admits it is superior to the shit SARPE surgeries

 

[forwardgrowth]

indeed, was abit disappointed by his conservative style though. Then again, if there are bad news about MSE in Germany, it is never going to be covered by healthcare in the future
Maybe he will become more aggressive if healthcare covers it and admits it is superior to the shit SARPE surgeries

time to use gh indeed, my split happened in a week or two due to gh pulse imo

 

[Deleted member 3020]

indeed, was abit disappointed by his conservative style though. Then again, if there are bad news about MSE in Germany, it is never going to be covered by healthcare in the future
Maybe he will become more aggressive if healthcare covers it and admits it is superior to the shit SARPE surgeries

Yeah ur gonna get a split around 20 turns. I might get mine at 10 or 15 turns according to my orthodontist.

 

[Deleted member 4310]

Is MSE cope at 22?

 

[wagbox]

Is MSE cope at 22?

No lol

 

[Lev Peshkov]

He has ruined his face

He unironically looks like

I think we can stop the cope now?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I’ve been having a lot of anxiety lmao. There’s a low potential of the tongue back turning the jack screw, but I’m scared I might back turn it since I actively use my tongue due to mewing bullshit

 

[Deleted member 5385]

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He has ruined his face

He unironically looks like

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I think we can stop the cope now?

Like brothers

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Sad he doesn't speak about counterclockwise rotation.

 

[Deleted member 6113]

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He has ruined his face

He unironically looks like

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I think we can stop the cope now?

Half the forums getting it at this point buddy boyo myself included.

 

[SPFromNY914]

I dont feel my MSE anymore, I fear that I wont achieve a split

I am doing the slow protocol

Slow Protocol is mad painful but its worth it

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Slow Protocol is mad painful but its worth it

as I said, I dont feel anything and/ or my T levels too high

 

[goat2x]

as I said, I dont feel anything and/ or my T levels too high

or its not working for u
my cranial nearly exploded when i turned that shit

 

[Deleted member 3020]

or its not working for u
my cranial nearly exploded when i turned that shit

Seriously. I also kinda felt lightheaded when I turned it lol. Mse is powerful as fuark

 

[Deleted member 3990]

or its not working for u
my cranial nearly exploded when i turned that shit

I need to check that srs

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I need to check that srs

R u turning right?

 

[Deleted member 3990]

or its not working for u
my cranial nearly exploded when i turned that shit

hm I did a turn once again and I only feel something at the turn itself but not after

 

[Deleted member 3990]

R u turning right?

I think so, I will try it other way around now

 

[goat2x]

hm I did a turn once again and I only feel something at the turn itself but not after

I had marpe at 14/15 which is i think nearly the same tier
When i turned that shit my cranial base hurted for atleast 7 8 hours

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I think so, I will try it other way around now

Should place in middle, for at least 10 seconds then push it slightly towards ur throat, then it should be stuck on the jack screw without you having to hold it. That’s when u got it right, then fully just push it towards ur throat then slowly take it out. Hope this makes sense

 

[Deleted member 4466]

What is considered to be a narrow inter-molar width? What is considered an ideal width?

I might actually get MSE- I think my upper arch is very small and I do have breathing problems.

Can anyone here who has MSE describe how their breathing was affected or improved by treatment? Thanks in advance

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I had marpe at 14/15 which is i think nearly the same tier
When i turned that shit my cranial base hurted for atleast 7 8 hours

I legit did 4 turns today and only feel a bit at teeth something now

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Should place in middle, for at least 10 seconds then push it slightly towards ur throat, then it should be stuck on the jack screw without you having to hold it. That’s when u got it right, then fully just push it towards ur throat then slowly take it out. Hope this makes sense

Did it exactely like that
gotta ask my Doc tomorrow

 

[goat2x]

I legit did 4 turns today and only feel a bit at teeth something now

It might didnt affect your suture yet
Maybe you need to wait for it

 

[Deleted member 7125]

Should i go to andrei for mse and then go to my local maxfac for check ups or does he have to do it himself. And why is nbody getting Msdo how do you widen the mandible?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

I legit did 4 turns today and only feel a bit at teeth something now

Brah if u did 4 turns and feel nothing at ur midface. Then it has to be the tads placement, that’s physically impossible

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Brah if u did 4 turns and feel nothing at ur midface. Then it has to be the tads placement, that’s physically impossible

How has your MSE treatment been going so far? any significant pain or unexpected issues?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

How has your MSE treatment been going so far? any significant pain or unexpected issues?

I mean so far good, although I have not received a diastema yet (5 turns in) and that means i can’t facepull yet also they gotta send me to heavy force elastics for it too. Some pain is molar pain on the molar with the molar band when I bite down, but it is expected. Unexpected issue is also pain from the FM hook. It cuts the shit out of my cheek but I think it’s used to it now. Also my tongue hurts like a bitch from the back 2 screws. It’s completely scraped. Hope I can get a diastema in a week or so so I can start pulling probably 1.5 KG each side

 

[000]

A lot of valuable info in this video

key points in the video:

slow expansion is best for midface changes (won moon apparently said this but was unconfirmed), by expanding slow you do not reach the threshold of deformation for the screws, meaning all the energy goes into widening the maxilla opposes to the implant bending

2. The mandible is seen in a lot of cases to expand in ages 8-21 (as long as active growth is still taking place) as a response to expanding the mandible like I had predicted it would a few months ago, keep in mind these people wouldn’t of been chewing + resting with their teeth together either and they STILL got expansion of the lower jaw on the cucked westernized diet

But when the mandible widens during this, does the chin say proportional?

 

[000]

I mean so far good, although I have not received a diastema yet (5 turns in) and that means i can’t facepull yet also they gotta send me to heavy force elastics for it too. Some pain is molar pain on the molar with the molar band when I bite down, but it is expected. Unexpected issue is also pain from the FM hook. It cuts the shit out of my cheek but I think it’s used to it now. Also my tongue hurts like a bitch from the back 2 screws. It’s completely scraped. Hope I can get a diastema in a week or so so I can start pulling probably 1.5 KG each side

How long to pull per day with that weight?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

How long to pull per day with that weight?

Brah as long as I can. Prob going 23 hours tbh. 1hr for brushing, eating, showering.