MSE is a looksmin. Thumbpulling doesn't work.

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

 

[6´3 LTN]

Nah bro I expanded my palate 8mm with thumbpulling

 

[punchmademaxxer]

My orthodontist told me the lower jaw expands along with the upper jaw when using a pallate expander whilst the sutures are still open

 

[aids]

So tired of fuckers discussing gear use because they think it'll grow facial bones when they're 16.
Good thread, put this in BOTB so we don't have to deal with any more retarded kids asking for the best shit to use.

 

[Tyler1]

There are literally results of thumbpulling on org you can expand your palate with your fingers bro

 

[aids]

My orthodontist told me the lower jaw expands along with the upper jaw when using a pallate expander whilst the sutures are still open

Mandible doesn't even have a midline suture so this would not even apply in theory.

 

[crazyguy]

There are literally results of thumbpulling on org you can expand your palate with your fingers bro

i doubt it

 

[AustrianMogger]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

lefort 1 high cut pill strikes again

 

[punchmademaxxer]

Mandible doesn't even have a midline suture so this would not even apply in theory.

He just told me the lower jaw follows the maxilla

 

[Random_Person561]

high iq bhai

 

[punchmademaxxer]

There are literally results of thumbpulling on org you can expand your palate with your fingers bro

Thumbpulling will go back to baseline because there is no retainer / braces afterwards. Also thumbpulling only does actually grow more bone when you gain a space inbetween your front teeth, otherwise the "8mm gain" is just molars being tilted.

 

[Iraniancel]

Good thread, but assymmetry only occurs when you already have fucked occlusion/sphenoid bone, no?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So tired of fuckers discussing gear use because they think it'll grow facial bones when they're 16.

hehe

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

Nah bro I expanded my palate 8mm with thumbpulling

You PMed me your pics and are subhuman objectively, I hope this is a joke.

There are literally results of thumbpulling on org

Where OP turns his head laterally and vertically to fraud those "results".

Mandible doesn't even have a midline suture so this would not even apply in theory.

This. Most didn't even read the full thread, yet decide to post something contra.

 

[AustrianMogger]

From all i have discorvered.
High cut lefort 1 maybe ccw
Premaxillary Augmentation
Lipp lift
and chin wing seem to be actually most high iq and changing surgerys (and ccw bimax if ramus cell)

 

[6´3 LTN]

You PMed me your pics and are subhuman objectively, I hope this is a joke.

Great compliment, thank you Jonas! And of course I was joking. Also, I’ll answer PMs, I’m legit tweaking.

 

[Tyler1]

i doubt it

So just ignore the fact that people have managed to expand the palate lol

He just told me the lower jaw follows the maxilla

Thats not true he‘s retarded

 

[Iraniancel]

From all i have discorvered.
High cut lefort 1 maybe ccw
Premaxillary Augmentation
Lipp lift
and chin wing seem to be actually most high iq and changing surgerys (and ccw bimax if ramus cell)

What about implants and fat grafting?

 

[lurking truecel]

From all i have discorvered.
High cut lefort 1 maybe ccw
Premaxillary Augmentation
Lipp lift
and chin wing seem to be actually most high iq and changing surgerys (and ccw bimax if ramus cell)

Saying ccw bimax for ramuscels doesnt make sense, chinwing might make the ramus longer but many surgeons dont do it because the results are usually subpar

 

[AustrianMogger]

What about implants and fat grafting?

Bone is law.
Sure implants work but if its possible aim for Real bone cause of 2 reasons.
First you can remove the fixateurs later and appear all natural.
Second implants can cause bone reabsobrtion

 

[Iraniancel]

Bone is law.
Sure implants work but if its possible aim for Real bone cause of 2 reasons.
First you can remove the fixateurs later and appear all natural.
Second implants can cause bone reabsobrtion

I see, thank you.

 

[AustrianMogger]

Saying ccw bimax for ramuscels doesnt make sense, chinwing might make the ramus longer but many surgeons dont do it because the results are usually subpar

You can lenghten ramus with bimax and then also decrease angle further with ccw

 

[AustrianMogger]

Saying ccw bimax for ramuscels doesnt make sense, chinwing might make the ramus longer but many surgeons dont do it because the results are usually subpar

 

[genetically fucked]

 

[lurking truecel]

View attachment 3892795

Thats not ccw, thats a split no surgeon in the world does because it will live you with functional issues.

 

[Tyler1]

Where OP turns his head laterally and vertically to fraud those "results".

I mean wider palate results

 

[AustrianMogger]

Thats not ccw, thats a split no surgeon in the world does because it will live you with functional issues.

Why you think that way

 

[crazyguy]

So just ignore the fact that people have managed to expand the palate lol

ive looked into threads and all im seeing is people that use a different angle for the after picture

also, its puberty when it comes to palate expansion

 

[Sujumh]

TikTok - Make Your Day

thoughts on him ? has disproved morph allegations and has more changes from the start of the vids to the most recent one. i dont see him talked ab enough

 

[lurking truecel]

Why you think that way

Not even giant would do those cuts because its to risky

 

[AustrianMogger]

Not even giant would do those cuts because its to risky

How is it risky. You mean the front part? Yeah that cut is bonkers. But ramus cut itself?

 

[lurking truecel]

How is it risky. You mean the front part? Yeah that cut is bonkers. But ramus cut itself?

The ramus cut has never been done without a distraction device probably because its so risky if you did.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

I mean wider palate results

Even some osteotomies return closer to baseline, applying pressure for a few minutes daily does fuck all.

If thumbpulling worked, it'd be a looksmin either way.

TikTok - Make Your Day

thoughts on him ? has disproved morph allegations and has more changes from the start of the vids to the most recent one. i dont see him talked ab enough

This is in no way proof. Really ignorant believing a concept because of anecdotal evidence that contradicts everything in existence.

You are no different than peasants from 2000BC believing anything they come across.

How is it risky. You mean the front part? Yeah that cut is bonkers. But ramus cut itself?

The ramus cut has never been done without a distraction device probably because its so risky if you did.

There is also not a single reason to do that cut. If someone wants to add height to their ramus implants are the best option.

 

[crazyguy]

thoughts on him ? has disproved morph allegations and has more changes from the start of the vids to the most recent one. i dont see him talked ab enough

this is the guy who says that you'll get a positive canthal tilt if you pull on your supras btw

 

[menas]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

thoughts on FME? and yeah obviously it won't grow bones on your face it will expand the midface tho
But yeah OBVIOUSLY surgery will get you way better results with less sides.

 

[Shinichi]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

Genio, genio, genio!!!! Fat grafts fat grafts, fat grafts!!!!


F*** ALL THE FAKE ASS COPE ICEHOODING, TOWEL SHITTING METHODS

 

[averagenormie]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

Raising a chad kid requires top tier habits to ensure proper skull development

 

[averagenormie]

Genio, genio, genio!!!! Fat grafts fat grafts, fat grafts!!!!


F*** ALL THE FAKE ASS COPE ICEHOODING, TOWEL SHITTING METHODS

Wouldn't the fat dissolves if you lost weight anyways

 

[genes_reroll]

Bone is law.
Sure implants work but if its possible aim for Real bone cause of 2 reasons.
First you can remove the fixateurs later and appear all natural.
Second implants can cause bone reabsobrtion

3rd if something fucks your implants you wasted 10k+ procedure per piece and will have to spend another 10k to get it right. But if u're rich they're a good choice especially because you need to count in eventual soft tissue work. Osteotomies are the best overall

 

[AustrianMogger]

3rd if something fucks your implants you wasted 10k+ procedure per piece and will have to spend another 10k to get it right. But if u're rich they're a good choice especially because you need to count in eventual soft tissue work. Osteotomies are the best overall

Water yes

 

[low1sd]

So all types of palatal expansion is cope and you should just get bimax and implants? What about Braces? Is invisalign or daemon Braces a looksmin even if you have some type of malocclusion, i heard it can recess your maxilla, you should make a thread on Braces btw.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

it won't grow bones on your face it will expand the midface tho

The thread literally explains why palate expansion as a whole is a looksmin and your midface includes your nose.

Raising a chad kid requires top tier habits to ensure proper skull development

The mother needs to maintain healthy habits during pregnancy, 5 years of breastfeeding, etc. and your kid will be "Chad" if the phenotype isn't bad.

implants can cause bone reabsobrtion

The opposite is the case with titanium/PEEK implants.

So all types of palatal expansion is cope and you should just get bimax and implants? What about Braces? Is invisalign or daemon Braces a looksmin even if you have some type of malocclusion, i heard it can recess your maxilla, you should make a thread on Braces btw.

You need to get braces in most cases either way with orthognathic surgery.

 

[zaebalsya]

The thread literally explains why palate expansion as a whole is a looksmin and your midface includes your nose.

The nose almost doesn't change if you don't expand more than 5 mm.
The upper lip may also expand in size. Your smile will get better, and your breathing will get better.
What should people with narrow upper palate do? only 3 piece le fort 1?
Mse is not ideal for sure but what about marpe or fme?

 

[dawooddX]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

think its worth it to hop on peptides aka hgh+test for chances to get a few mm of bone?

 

[zaebalsya]

View attachment 3892795

Ramus lenghtening is super rare
even ramus widening is more common

 

[gymcel64]

I got a palate expander at 8 years old, it might have caused some asymmetries in my face, now that you point that out.

 

[zaebalsya]

The ramus cut has never been done without a distraction device probably because its so risky if you did.

Yes, this cut is extra weird
I saw another cut while ramus lenghtening but of course it's better to use implants.

 

[Mainlander]

So tired of fuckers discussing gear use because they think it'll grow facial bones when they're 16.
Good thread, put this in BOTB so we don't have to deal with any more retarded kids asking for the best shit to use.

BUT BUT but bu tt what about LOOX

 

[Michelangelo]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

most of the time i hear this myofunctional therapist suggesting MARPE + lower jaw surgery to really correct bad jaw development in adults

 

[halloweed]

Water

BUT BUT but bu tt what about LOOX

fillers