MSE is a looksmin. Thumbpulling doesn't work.

[joaotorri]

Based, mse will only give you bigger nose and a tooth gap

 

[zaebalsya]

BUT BUT but bu tt what about LOOX

bonesmash+mk677 but please.. gatekeep it..

 

[thejcpenny]

everything on here is pure copium. only one natural way to ascend

 

[AustrianMogger]

Yes, this cut is extra weird
I saw another cut while ramus lenghtening but of course it's better to use implants.

implants is cope tb

 

[Sadist]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would

it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansion

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF

alar stretch isnt that crazy & there are different techniques/appliances to prevent or minimize asymmetry/complications

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW

theres mandible expanders too you know. bsso doesnt magically widen ur mandible either fyi, for mse is exclusively a bilateral movement, whilst bsso is focused on anterior movements

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon.

even if you are referring to ONLY mse - there are other techniques as you may know. completely false either way.

some palate expanding results return to baseline

only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis period

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants

still true, but not everyone can afford that, as this forum is full of 14 year old ibutamoren goblins
lateral maxillary expansion is still a good pick if you need a slight facial width increase though, but only if that will not compromise, say, eye-related ratios, etc

you arent helping your point with this table either

mirin edgy doomer repfarm tho

 

[lazza]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

If you do bimax alone you wa.t entirely fix your maxilla projection

you will only advance it forward but what you are trying to get is a three dimensional growth, so not only forward but on the sides as well, that why expander is needed.

Palate expansion won't fix every recessed bone in your face or increase bone density.

It serves another purpose, but calling it looksminimizing it's a stretch.

 

[SlayerJonas]

it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansion

Most of the expansion happens closer to the center of expansion. It does fuck all to your zygos.

alar stretch isnt that crazy

Just straight up wrong.

theres mandible expanders too

Let's just spend even more money, great idea.

even if you are referring to ONLY mse

All other palate expanders are equally dogshit. Everyone is better off just getting osteotomies.

only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis period

You won't be able to explain why even some osteotomies return closer to baseline.

still true, but not everyone can afford that

They can't afford palate and mandible expanders either. Just use something that doesn't work at all because it is 5% cheaper theory.

arent helping your point with this table

The skull finished developing for the most part at the age of 5 already, JFL if you think you can change your whole skull with thumbpulling or palate expanders.

Also go on and send your thumbpulling B/As where you turned your head three-dimensionally to fraud results.

 

[slaters]

I got this when I wa like 8 probably saved me since I was 8 can’t imagine 5mm palate expansion at 16 would do anything besides mess up hollows

 

[keife]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

So what do I get then? I’ve already been offered Marpe for free of charge due to a narrow palate. Ive read studies showing 1.5-2.9mm zygomatic expansion each side. Also giantimplants told me 25% of his clients experience noticeable changes.

 

[Azie555]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

so i can grow my maxilla and mandible still if im 16

 

[LEFORT17]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider noticably and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

View attachment 3892734

Even funnier is that some palate expanding results return to baseline, just JFL at thinking thumbpulling would change a molecule.

"B-But Patel said-" Great idea, just listen to him because he claims x ascended him and his clients.

View attachment 3892720

You are better off going straight for osteotomies and implants, there is no reason to cope with things that don't work.

Bimax B/A.

View attachment 3892761

Last blackpill of the thread: Your skull is done growing for the most part after the age of 5.

View attachment 3892744

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

Spoiler: Tags

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @DORIAN @Zagro

sarpe, segmental lefort clears 100%

 

[Sadist]

Most of the expansion happens closer to the center of expansion. It does fuck all to your zygos.

that implies that it stretches a gap in the middle. it doesnt. it pulls the maxilla apart, therefore widening your zygos. it is a well-documented fact.

Just straight up wrong.

it depends on the case

Let's just spend even more money, great idea.

extra few hundred bucks, lets goo

All other palate expanders are equally dogshit.

Just straight up wrong.

You won't be able to explain why even some osteotomies return closer to baseline.

for the exact same reason. fyi its called relapse & theres ways to mitigate it and unlikely exceptions/complications, ofc

They can't afford palate and mandible expanders either. Just use something that doesn't work at all because it is 5% cheaper theory.

quad digit price tags are an ai-generated myth but ok

The skull finished developing for the most part at the age of 5 already,

cant read UR OWN material? in the table u included, kindly check the maxillary development age. zygos sit on top of it laterally, they dont “grow” during mse; they MOVE with the maxilla btw, before u start about THEIR development end age.

Also go on and send your thumbpulling B/As where you turned your head three-dimensionally to fraud results.

if you spend more than 2 seconds thinking - you will realize that turning your head anywhere off perfect side makes maxillary projection look WORSE. there is no way to fraud it. looking up or down is irrelevant, as cephalometric landmarks are used to get the maxillary projection angle - and they are at constant positions. a good example (if you dont get it still) is the same way you cannot fraud past the FHP. as for tilting the head - i would need to tilt it a LOT to get the angle to change THAT much, and as you can see there is no head tilt in the pic at all. plus, the triangle would then be squished - and its not. easy geometry my nigga

 

[Org3cel]

it pushes zygos out laterally via bilateral maxillary expansion


alar stretch isnt that crazy & there are different techniques/appliances to prevent or minimize asymmetry/complications


theres mandible expanders too you know. bsso doesnt magically widen ur mandible either fyi, for mse is exclusively a bilateral movement, whilst bsso is focused on anterior movements



even if you are referring to ONLY mse - there are other techniques as you may know. completely false either way.


only happens if there is no proper retention for the full osteogenesis period



still true, but not everyone can afford that, as this forum is full of 14 year old ibutamoren goblins
lateral maxillary expansion is still a good pick if you need a slight facial width increase though, but only if that will not compromise, say, eye-related ratios, etc


you arent helping your point with this table either

mirin edgy doomer repfarm tho

Would u say MSE could give u wide set eyes then?
My palate is narrow so I was thinking of getting it even tho my ortho said I "didnt need it"

 

[Sadist]

Would u say MSE could give u wide set eyes then?
My palate is narrow so I was thinking of getting it even tho my ortho said I "didnt need it"

if it could do that, i wouldnt need tripod/obo

 

[SlayerJonas]

If you do bimax alone you wa.t entirely fix your maxilla projection

you will only advance it forward but what you are trying to get is a three dimensional growth, so not only forward but on the sides as well, that why expander is needed.

You can literally get a three piece Lefort 1.

It serves another purpose, but calling it looksminimizing it's a stretch.

In what world is a wider nose base and asymmetry not a looksmin?

It is literally a bade trade-off and as with anything in life it is about trade-offs, you don't just take the worst one you get just because of comfort.

I’ve already been offered Marpe for free of charge due to a narrow palate.

Go for it since it's for fixing a narrow palate, just be realistic with what to expect.

that implies that it stretches a gap in the middle. it doesnt. it pulls the maxilla apart

You basically just said that the maxilla gets pulled apart without the growth mediated by the sutures.

in the table u included, kindly check the maxillary development age. zygos sit on top of it laterally, they dont “grow” during mse; they MOVE with the maxilla btw, before u start about THEIR development end age.

You can't read my mind and I didn't specify why I didn't include the table. It is to clarify that "puberty" ends earlier than expected.

you will realize that turning your head anywhere off perfect side makes maxillary projection look WORSE. there is no way to fraud it. looking up or down is irrelevant, as cephalometric landmarks are used to get the maxillary projection angle - and they are at constant positions. a good example (if you dont get it still) is the same way you cannot fraud past the FHP. as for tilting the head - i would need to tilt it a LOT to get the angle to change THAT much, and as you can see there is no head tilt in the pic at all. plus, the triangle would then be squished - and its not. easy geometry my nigga

Many words to just distract from the fact that you frauded your results, JFL at saying "you can't fraud maxillary projection" as if there aren't 20 B/A threads claiming they changed their skull with mewing.

The cephalometric landmarks in question:

Puff, there it is. Someone with literally no experience talking bullshit again.

It's funny that you said this and then proceeded to permaagree with my points over 1000 words.

 

[Sadist]

Many words to just distract from the fact that you frauded your results, JFL at saying "you can't fraud maxillary projection" as if there aren't 20 B/A threads claiming they changed their skull with mewing.

The cephalometric landmarks in question:

i explained to you clearly how it is impossible to fraud it by altering the head position, yet you claim i frauded shit, yet you would never point out how. the landmarks used are constant (mostly; the two that are off on the after actually WORSEN the projection displayed)
people who frauded mewing never used any cephalometric analysis on their pictures.

now, smart guy, let me introduce you to two fellas who would appear to be your worst enemies:

and

say hi to them

 

[AutisticBeancel]

Hah! Guess what! I am deformed, and I need bimax anyways, so what do you have to say about that

 

[Duck Eats Bagel]

Hah! Guess what! I am deformed, and I need bimax anyways, so what do you have to say about that

me too deformed... this is so brutal

 

[SlayerJonas]

@KeepCopingLads @idkmanimao it's about this thread I guess.

 

[Deleted member 129120]

@KeepCopingLads @idkmanimao it's about this thread I guess.

what about "results" like this?

also I don't really see why thumbpulling 100% wouldn't work tbh, isn't it for stimulation and not actually trying to break sutures or whatever?

 

[KeepCopingLads]

@KeepCopingLads @idkmanimao it's about this thread I guess.

I do have palate deformities? I think
If narrow and assymetrical counts

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I do have palate deformities? I think
If narrow and assymetrical counts

Overcrowding from narrow palate btw

 

[SlayerJonas]

what about "results" like this? View attachment 4008851 also I don't really see why thumbpulling 100% wouldn't work tbh, isn't it for stimulation and not actually trying to break sutures or whatever?

I answered most of these points already in the thread and replies. If you want to expand your palate atleast get a good expander, thumbpulling doesn't work at all.

I do have palate deformities? I think
If narrow and assymetrical counts

Then you should widen your palate 100%. Keep in mind there's also segmented LF1 which can widen the palate symmetrically if symmetrical palate expansion with an expander isn't possible.

 

[KeepCopingLads]

@KeepCopingLads @idkmanimao it's about this thread I guess.

@idkmanimao I read his thread before
He's right
But someone like me, I need an expander, for you idk cus Im not you so how would I know

 

[KeepCopingLads]

I answered most of these points already in the thread and replies. If you want to expand your palate atleast get a good expander, thumbpulling doesn't work at all.

Then you should widen your palate 100%. Keep in mind there's also segmented LF1 which can widen the palate symmetrically if symmetrical palate expansion with an expander isn't possible.

Thanks
Yh my plan is to fix the assymetry with a palate expander, one side getting more expansion than the other
I'm 16 so I'm trying with ortho work

 

[Deleted member 129120]

@idkmanimao I read his thread before
He's right
But someone like me, I need an expander, for you idk cus Im not you so how would I know

yeah, expanders wouldn't benefit me, palate is already wide, yet I still have shit zygo projection. Over

 

[KeepCopingLads]

yeah, expanders wouldn't benefit me, palate is already wide, yet I still have shit zygo projection. Over

Tbh mse probably wont help

 

[Deleted member 129120]

Tbh mse probably wont help

yeah it won't. but I might try face-mask+drugs (for personal testing.) i've been "mewing" for about 3 years now. when I first started, my palate was for sure narrow

(couldn't even fit my tounge on my palate lmafo. So I kept trying to force it everyday (had to curl up my tounge just to fit it.) now, there's a shit ton of extra space and my fwhr is noticeably wider.

this picture here was about 1 year ago, lips are the same size as back then, but my face doesn't look narrow as before. @Jonasㅤㅤthoughts? oh and also I had have x-rays saved from about 3 years ago, I went to doctors yesterday, they compared them to see growth and they had said lots changed.

 

[BootySniffer69]

@SexDefender jfl

 

[Deleted member 166865]

Nah bro I expanded my palate 8mm with thumbpulling

Yeah but there is a difference either you expanded the whole maxilla which is obv looksmax or alveolar ridge which is looksmin when expanded isolated from the whole maxilla. You can check it on your own, if the whole maxilla was expanded: you’ve got wider and higher set cheekbones, less uue, more positive canthal tilt except from the wider palate. And if there is only alveolar ridge then you eliminated room for hollow cheeks lol

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Never seen an msc ascension

 

[childishkillah]

MSE won't just grow the bones some users project it would, the only logical use case is fixing palate deformities.

If you don't have that problem, stay away from MSE and other palate expanders.

There are multiple downsides to MSE.

View attachment 3892707View attachment 3892708

Letting your nose get wider significantly and becoming asymmetrical AF doesn't sound like a "looksmax" to me.

The main factor in the expansion of the alar base is the position where the MSE is placed. The more anterior it is, the greater the alar expansion will be, so end up with a nigger nose depends on your orthodontist’s placement and treatment objective. That guy place his MSE in his second molar.

The mandible doesn't grow along your maxilla BTW. So JFL at needing bimax afterwards either way.

Both the mandible and maxilla grow during puberty, that doesn't mean their growth is correlated, especially not after puberty.

Comparison of maxillary and mandibular growth - PubMed

In this longitudinal study, serial lateral cephalometric radiographs were used to compare growth patterns of the maxilla and mandible, with hand-wrist radiographs used to assess skeletal maturity. The sample comprised 28 untreated subjects (15 female, 13 male) who were followed from ages 6 to 20...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If your only goal is to fix the bite after a large expansion, bimax surgery is not an option. The ideal procedures are BSSO, MSDO, or simple orthodontics.

Apart from that MSE literally costs multiple grands and is only being done by a Korean doctor called Dr. Moon. Other palate expanders have the same downsides.

https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.com/mse-type-2-starter-kit-12mm-281-003.html?srsltid=AfmBOopR3iOTEsD4yizPr0U08o87P6CxUt2dwgSU-iDp0vWaS7QZ4qNJ

 

[moltisantichincel]

If you have a narrow palate chances are you need bimax, and if your surgeon is good chances are he can do a multi segment lefort 1 osteotomy which splits the maxilla into 3 pieces and from there he can expand it, not to mention mse will cause asymmetry, and the lateral projection of the malar region gives the appearance of a moonface and most chads with prominent zygotes have them prominent not because of lateral projection but because of anterior projection, also gives you a tyrone nose. so mse and even sarpe are pretty cope. In fact most people who get mse end up getting bimax, also Cavill, Barrett, and gandy all have narrow palates. it's still better to have a wide smile tho.

 

[asdvek]

thumbpulling made my nose wider

i regret it

like fuck the day i learnt about that thumbpulling shit

i swear it did