Muh steppe mongol chads. Brutal for chinks.

[LTNUser]

False, both are extremely common

Not sure about that
It's extremely common in black side profiles
East Asians usually have better profile comparatively
@unstable

 

[Bars]

Their title was Moghul not Mongol. Moghul means 'Great'.

Didn't expect alternative history enjoyers here mirin

Mongol - Mogol - Megálos - Magnus - Magna

Tartaria Magna - Imperium Magnum - Mongol Empire am I crazy or what

 

[unstable]

Not sure about that
It's extremely common in black side profiles
East Asians usually have better profile comparatively
@unstable

@PEENO08
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both of them have very similar side profiles
similar brow ridge and nose
the white man has slightly more chin projection but lets ignore that
similar maxillas etc.

only difference is their cheekbones
asian man has higher.

seems like cheek bones is the only difference here

Didn't expect alternative history enjoyers here mirin

Mongol - Mogol - Megálos - Magnus - Magna

Tartaria Magna - Imperium Magnum - Mongol Empire am I crazy or what

nigga is trolling fool
i already debunked him
moghul is persian translation of mongol.

 

[Bars]

moghul is persian translation of mongol.

NG in mongol is hard to pronounce almost for anyone and it is pronounced as ng (ŋ) like in sing or just gh. Moghul or mongol is the same. Well idk whether mongolians themselves can pronounce it or not

 

[unstable]

NG in mongol is hard to pronounce almost for anyone and it is pronounced as ng (ŋ) like in sing or just gh. Moghul or mongol is the same. Well idk whether mongolians themselves can pronounce it or not

of course they can pronounce that bhai
even khan was hard to pronounce
in india it became khan (different pronunciation) in other places it became glottal Han

 

[Bars]

White tatar = hapa
Black tatar = fully asian

Even if you are correct (which it's not, since they misinterpreted and called all Mongols black tatar),

You still have zero right to be shitting on Asians as all ancient Turks were fully 100% Asian and all the men fucking the white women were Asian at least

It is very low behavior from you, maybe you have some Kurdish DNA i don't know.

Read mengda beilu you low iq retard

 

[Bars]

Other way around, Haplogroup C Mongol Changs slaughtered R1A and R1B men and took their Aryan Stacies all across Central Asia meanwhile Haplogroup N Turkic and Uralic Changs did the same all across Northeast Europe

Cope R1a is still dominant in central asia so it is the other way around

If mongols were dominant in CA how come whole central asia speaks turkic and not mongolian and how come the dominant haplo is still R1a? You didn't refute OP's og claims allat wall of text of nothing



Tajiks are r1a
Kyrgyz are r1a
Altayans are r1a
Uyghurs are r1a
uzbeks are majority r1a

Turkmens are Q and R1a

Only kazakhs have more C but the second one is still R1a



Baskirs Tatars are all R

The OG ancient Proto-Turks were 100% Mongoloid from Northeast Asia btw and only had Haplogroups C, Q, and N, they adopted Haplogroup R and to a lesser extent J through intermixing and assimilation when they invaded previously Caucasoid-dominant Central Asian lands, However they intermixed with much more Caucasoid females than Caucasoid males @inyerta

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They were already hapa by the time they made it Central Asia and became overwhelmingly Caucasoid when they invaded the Middle East, Europe, and South Asia but make no mistake they were originally 100% gook JFL, even the Gokturk royals in Central Asia and the Avar elite in Europe were 100% gook JFL

DNA studies on early members of the Ashina family revealed that they were exclusively East Asian.[97]

In 2023 the first genetic analysis on an early royal Ashina member (Empress Ashina, the daughter of Muqan Qaghan) found nearly exclusively Northeast Asian ancestry (97.7%) next to a minor West-Eurasian component (2.3%). The West-Eurasian component corresponded to a single mixture event dating to around 1566 ± 396 years before Ashina's lifetime (dating to c. 1000 BC). Our genomic analyses of Empress Ashina revealed Göktürk's Northeast Asian origin (97.7% Northeast Asian ancestry and 2.3% West Eurasian ancestry), refuting the western Eurasian origin and multiple origin hypotheses.

“A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in January 2020 examined the remains of 26 individuals buried at various elite Avar cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin dated to the 7th century.[57] The mtDNA of these Avars belonged mostly to East Asian haplogroups, while the Y-DNA was exclusively of East Asian origin and "strikingly homogenous", belonging to haplogroups N-M231and Q-M242.[58] The evidence suggests that the Avar elite were largely patrilineal."

Chinese propaganda

 

[hotcheetoboy]

@Maxillular

OG Turks were R and Q nigga cope harder continue dick riding your mongol niggas. All ancient turkics were R1 a/b Q etc.

@hotcheetoboy

Not reading allat bullshit if you are denying this you are low iq faggot or don't know anything abt history

Source: Trust me bro

Not a single modern historian or anthropologist agrees with you

Didn't say you were Kavkaz nigga? You're not a real Turk at all JFL your ancestors weren't forming the huge Turkic empires and conquering lands like the ancestors of @inyerta and @tomahawk were and all you do is shit on real Mongoloid Turks nonstop in seething jealousy

R1A Turks were mostly the slaves and subjects or assimilated peoples of Haplogroup N/C/Q Trve Tvrks, with a few exceptions

We wuz Turks n shyt, Gokturks and Avars who existed during the First Turkic Khaganate (First people to be called Turks but the proto-Turks were even more Mongoloid) were both predominantly Haplogroup N/Q and were both genetically more closely related to modern day Mongolics and Tungusics and even East Asians than they are to modern day Central Asian Turkic Groups

"DNA studies on early members of the Ashina family revealed that they were exclusively East Asian.[97]"

"In 2023 the first genetic analysis on an early royal Ashina member (Empress Ashina, the daughter of Muqan Qaghan) found nearly exclusively Northeast Asian ancestry (97.7%) next to a minor West-Eurasian component (2.3%). The West-Eurasian component corresponded to a single mixture event dating to around 1566 ± 396 years before Ashina's lifetime (dating to c. 1000 BC). Our genomic analyses of Empress Ashina revealed Göktürk's Northeast Asian origin (97.7% Northeast Asian ancestry and 2.3% West Eurasian ancestry), refuting the western Eurasian origin and multiple origin hypotheses."

"A genetic study published in scientific journal Cell in April 2022 analyzed 48 Pannonian Avar samples from the early, middle and late period, and found nearly all of them to have a high level of Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) ancestry. The paternal lineage N1a1a1a1a3a-F4205 was most common (today highest percent of haplogroup N-F4205 was found in Dukha people of Mongolia with 52.2%[62]), with Q1a, Q1b, R1a, R1b and E1b subclades present in smaller numbers. The samples had a strong affinity with modern peoples inhabiting the region from Mongolia to the Amur, with a historical Rouran Khaganate sample, and with samples from Xiongnu-Xianbei periods in the eastern Asian steppe.[41] The Avar individuals showed their highest genetic affinity with present-day Mongolic and Tungusic peoples, as well as Nivkhs.[42]"

"Ashina individual was found to be genetically closer to East Asians than modern Central Asian Turkic groups. However, East Asian Turkic groups such as Dolgan, Salar, Tuvinian, Yakut, Chuvash Altaian, Altaian-Chelkan, Khakass, Kazakh-China, Kyrgyz-China showed genetic genetic affinity with Ashina.[104] The Ashina individual was genetically closest to post-Iron Age Tungusic and Mongolic Steppe pastoralists, supporting the near-exclusively Northeast Asian origin of the Ashina tribe and early Turkic populations.[104]"

"The ancient Türkic royal family of the Göktürks was found to share genetic affinities to post-Iron Age Tungusic and Mongolic pastoralists, while having heterogeneous relationships towards various later Turkic-speaking groups, suggesting genetic heterogeneity and multiple sources of origin for the later populations of the Turkic empire. This shows that the Ashina lineage had a dominating contribution on Mongolic and Tungusic speakers but limited contribution on Turkic-speaking populations. According to the authors of the 2023 study, these findings "once again validates a cultural diffusion model over a demic diffusion model for the spread of Turkic languages" and refutes "the western Eurasian origin and multiple origin hypotheses" in favor of an East Asian origin for the royal Ashina family.[105]"

"A genetic study published in scientific journal Current Biology in May 2022 examined 143 Avar samples from various periods, including Avar elites and local commoners. It confirmed the Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) paternal and maternal origin for the Avar elite, with N1a-F4205 being their predominant and characteristic paternal lineage, alongside incorporated Q1a2a1 and R1a-Z94 Hunnic-Iranian remnants, and the rest belonging to local haplogroups found among surrounding populations. Autosomally, the Elite Avar samples "preserved very ancient Mongolian pre-Bronze Age genomes, with ca 90% [Ancient North-East Asian] ancestry", shared deep ancestry with European Huns, but although since Early Avar period started mixing with local and immigrant Hunnic-Iranian related populations, "people with different genetic ancestries were seemingly distinguished, as samples with Hun-related genomes were buried in separate cemeteries". The majority of the Avar Khaganate general population consisted of local European peoples (EU_core) but did not display Northeast Asian admixture, supporting a model of elite dominance of arriving horse nomads over a large sedentary population, with at least some subsequent admixture events."

Now if you only look at the elites for the Avars, not their assimilated subjects, despite them literally invading Europe and staying there, they were 100% East Asian paternally of Haplogroups N and Q, with only like 10% European DNA on the maternal side, similar to the 98% East Asian royal Ashina family of Gokturks

“A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in January 2020 examined the remains of 26 individuals buried at various elite Avar cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin dated to the 7th century.[57] The mtDNA of these Avars belonged mostly to East Asian haplogroups, while the Y-DNA was exclusively of East Asian origin and "strikingly homogenous", belonging to haplogroups N-M231and Q-M242.[58] The evidence suggests that the Avar elite were largely patrilineal."

@hotcheetoboy


Cope harder

Not a single source for any of that btw, written by some 5'6 Anatolian cuck in his mom's basement on Reddit JFL

Cope R1a is still dominant in central asia so it is the other way around

If mongols were dominant in CA how come whole central asia speaks turkic and not mongolian and how come the dominant haplo is still R1a? You didn't refute OP's og claims allat wall of text of nothing



Tajiks are r1a
Kyrgyz are r1a
Altayans are r1a
Uyghurs are r1a
uzbeks are majority r1a

Turkmens are Q and R1a

Only kazakhs have more C but the second one is still R1a



Baskirs Tatars are all R

Their maternal line is majority West Eurasian as well so none of this even matters (even if we don't count the fact that R1A-Z93 and R as a whole is undeniably originally an East Eurasian YDNA haplogroup), the vast majority of steppe groups have EVEN MORE West Eurasian mtDNA than YDNA as @unstable showed in his charts, and they have more East Eurasian YDNA than East Eurasian mtDNA as well, proving it was vast majority East Eurasian men fucking West Eurasian women

"A genetic study on maternal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups of a Turkmen sample describes a mixture of mostly West Eurasian lineages maternal lineages and minority of East Eurasian lineages. Turkmens also have two unusual mtDNA markers with polymorphic characteristics, only found in Turkmens and southern Siberians.[58]"

You know Central Asians were originally mostly Caucasoid Indo-European right? They were EVEN MORE R1A before the Turko-Mongolic expansions from Northeast Asia cucking the native Caucasoid Indo-Europeans there, the only reason they're majority R1A is because they were mostly R1A in the first place

Mongols and Kazakhs are still both majority Haplogroup C btw, Kazakhs are the biggest moggers in Central Asia, being the tallest, richest, highest GDP, best looking, best at combat sports, and most successful Central Asian country, and they're less than 10% West Eurasian paternally, but literally 41% West Eurasian maternally JFL

The below is all from the same source btw, showing Mongolians incorporated lots of European mtDNA into their genes while their YDNA mostly remained the same, and they also replaced the YDNA of other Central Asian populations while their YDNA remained the same. They also didn't contribute much to the mtDNA of other Central Asians despite contributing heavily to their YDNA, showing it was all Mongol and Kazakh Changs fucking Caucasoid Tajik, Kyrgyz, Altaian, Uyghur, Uzbek, and Turkmen women

"The European haplogroups were detected in Mongolians who inhabited Central Asia, such as Xingjing Autonomous region, and central Inner Mongolian. The Silk Road (second century bc to the thirteenth century ad) would have brought the European-specific genetics into those regions. However, few European-specific haplogroups have been found in Han and Tibetan populations who lived along the Silk Road (Yao et al. 2002; Qian et al. 2001), which supports the hypothesis that the Silk Road contributed little genetic admixture between the Europeans and East Asians. In history, the Parthian empire prevented any mass migration of strange people, usually only allowing caravans of traders to pass, so population migration freely between Europe and East Asia could not occur (Dubs 1957). Thus, the genetic admixture of Europeans with northern East Asians in Central Asian can only be explained by the later conquer of the Mongolian empire (1271–1368 ad). The Mongolian populations played an important role in promoting the historical development of Eurasia. Genghis Khan (1162–1227) and his descendants waged three wars in the west and established the united multiethnic Mongolian empire crossing Eurasia, which had 3.5 million km2 and a 100 million people. The Mongolians continued to dominate the region north of the Great Wall of China and west to the Aral Sea for two more centuries after the Mongolian empire ended in 1368. Then, some Mongolian descendants moved back to their hometowns from thousands of kilometers away. Those who migrated back carried some exotic genetic components with them. During their wars, the Mongolian conquerers incorporated some ethnic populations into their groups, and those admixtures expanded the Mongolian gene pool. The European-specific mtDNA haplogroups could be detected in different northern Mongolian populations.
Y-chromosome studies support the fact that Mongolians have kept East-Asian characteristics (Nasidze et al. 2005; Wells et al. 2001; Xue et al. 2006; Yang et al. 2005). The prevalence of the Mongolian Y chromosome in Central Asians support the inequity admixture due to Genghis Khan’s military success (Zerjal et al. 2002, 2003), that is, the Mongolia conqueror contributed the dominant Y chromosome to the descendant admixture populations. This happened in the Indo-Europeans admixture in the caste establishment in India (Bamshad et al. 2001; Thanseem et al. 2006), and similar situations were found among Spanish Conquistadors and British colonialists in North America and Australia (Carvajal-Carmonn et al. 2000). The Y-chromosome data support Mongolian impact in the genetics of Central and northern East Asians, however, Mongolian impact from maternal lineage was not significant (Bamshad et al. 2001; Thanseem et al. 2006). The unbalanced genetic contribution of the paternal and maternal in the admixture populations during conquest by the Mongolian empire indicate the developmental history of Mongolian populations."

Genetic imprint of the Mongol: signal from phylogeographic analysis of mitochondrial DNA - Journal of Human Genetics

Mitochondrial deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) from 201 unrelated Mongolian individuals in the three different regions was analyzed. The Mongolians took the dominant East Asian-specific haplogroups, and some European-prevalent haplogroups were detected. The East Asians-specific haplogroups...

www.nature.com

West Eurasian ancestry literally declined during the Mongol Empire while there was a male-mediated rise in East Asian ancestry btw, showing it was Mongoloid men cucking Caucasoid men and fucking their women

"A 2020 study based on ancient DNA found that West Eurasian autosomal ancestry declined significantly in Mongolia during the Mongol empire period. The authors detected a male-mediated rise in East Asian ancestry in the late medieval Mongolian period, noting also the increase in haplogroup C2b, the presumed lineage of Genghis Khan.[18]"

Chinese propaganda

Your source: Redditard Anatolian coper

My source: Scientists and anthropologists that widely agree upon the origins of the Ashina royal family and Proto-Turks, cope and kang about it buddy boyo

Avars were the exact same way

Persian historian Rashid al-Din recorded in his "Chronicles" that the legendary "glittering" ancestor of Genghis was tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and green-eyed. Rashid al-Din also described the first meeting of Genghis and Kublai Khan, when Genghis was shocked to find that Kublai had not inherited his red hair. Also according to al-Din Genghis's Borjigid clan, had a legend involving their origins: it began as the result of an affair between Alan-ko and a stranger to her land, a glittering man who happened to have red hair and bluish-green eyes

Your only source for this: random singular Persian cuck who never even met Genghis Khan and was born literally decades after he died, tryna spreading propaganda and cope and kang about high T Mongol bvlls because they nearly genocided his entire race and wiped the Khwarazmian Empire off the map before he was even born

WE WUZ KHANZ N SHYT, autistic little white supremacist incel with a cringe blonde cuck PFP has to cope and kang and claim the achievements of Turkomongol bvlls who conquered raped and massacred his people to cope with being conquered raped and massacred by another race JFL

In reality, actual genetic testing shows that the DIRECT MALE LINE DESCENDANTS of Genghis Khan have Haplogroup C, proving that he had 100% East Eurasian male ancestors

"Y chromosome haplogroup C2c1a1a1-M407 is carried by Mongol descendants of the Northern Yuan ruler from 1474–1517, Dayan Khan, who is a male line descendant of Genghis Khan which was found out after geneticists in Mongolia conducted tests on them."

"Toghan, Genghis Khan's sixth son has claimed descendants who have Y haplogroup C2b1a1b1-F1756 just like the first son of Genghis Khan, Jochi's descendants in the Kazakh Tore clan.[48]"
"The Lu clan claimed to be the descendants of Khulgen, the sixth son of Genghis Khan. A genetic study of the molecular genealogy of Northwest China shows that some members of Lu belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C2b1a1b1 F1756.[10] This haplogroup is also observed in the Tore clan from Kazakhstan, who are paternal descendants of Jochi, the first alleged son of Genghis Khan.[11]"

The Avar elites who conquered, massacred, and enslaved hundreds of thousands of Slavs, Germanics, and Balkans alike were also genetically tested to be homogenously 100% East Asian paternally how do you cope with that?

The only reason the Europeans even beat them in the first place is due to the help of the Avars' genetically superior AMWF hapa sons JFL

"Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion."

Meanwhile, European empires like the Rurikids who ruled Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine for over 700 years straight ACTUALLY had East Eurasian paternal haplogroups and their AMWF hapa rulers were made from Siberian Changs breeding Scandinavian Stacies JFL

"A genetic study on the origins of the Rurikids (Zhur et al. 2023) analysed "for the first time", remains belonging to Prince Dmitry Alexandrovich. The study found that Dmitry Alexandrovich and most of the "medieval and modern Rurikids", starting with Prince Yaroslav the Wise, belong to paternal haplogroup N-M231 (N1a). The genetic results suggest that the formation of the Rurikid lineage included a population from eastern Scandinavia (Öland), a population from Central Europe or the Iron Age Eurasian Steppe, and an East Asian component via Siberian geneflow to Northeastern Europe.[37]"

 

[tomahawk]

Did read great reply

Source: Trust me bro

Not a single modern historian or anthropologist agrees with you

Didn't say you were Kavkaz nigga? You're not a real Turk at all JFL your ancestors weren't forming the huge Turkic empires and conquering lands like the ancestors of @inyerta and @tomahawk were and all you do is shit on real Mongoloid Turks nonstop in seething jealousy

R1A Turks were mostly the slaves and subjects or assimilated peoples of Haplogroup N/C/Q Trve Tvrks, with a few exceptions

We wuz Turks n shyt, Gokturks and Avars who existed during the First Turkic Khaganate (First people to be called Turks but the proto-Turks were even more Mongoloid) were both predominantly Haplogroup N/Q and were both genetically more closely related to modern day Mongolics and Tungusics and even East Asians than they are to modern day Central Asian Turkic Groups

"DNA studies on early members of the Ashina family revealed that they were exclusively East Asian.[97]"

"In 2023 the first genetic analysis on an early royal Ashina member (Empress Ashina, the daughter of Muqan Qaghan) found nearly exclusively Northeast Asian ancestry (97.7%) next to a minor West-Eurasian component (2.3%). The West-Eurasian component corresponded to a single mixture event dating to around 1566 ± 396 years before Ashina's lifetime (dating to c. 1000 BC). Our genomic analyses of Empress Ashina revealed Göktürk's Northeast Asian origin (97.7% Northeast Asian ancestry and 2.3% West Eurasian ancestry), refuting the western Eurasian origin and multiple origin hypotheses."

"A genetic study published in scientific journal Cell in April 2022 analyzed 48 Pannonian Avar samples from the early, middle and late period, and found nearly all of them to have a high level of Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) ancestry. The paternal lineage N1a1a1a1a3a-F4205 was most common (today highest percent of haplogroup N-F4205 was found in Dukha people of Mongolia with 52.2%[62]), with Q1a, Q1b, R1a, R1b and E1b subclades present in smaller numbers. The samples had a strong affinity with modern peoples inhabiting the region from Mongolia to the Amur, with a historical Rouran Khaganate sample, and with samples from Xiongnu-Xianbei periods in the eastern Asian steppe.[41] The Avar individuals showed their highest genetic affinity with present-day Mongolic and Tungusic peoples, as well as Nivkhs.[42]"

"Ashina individual was found to be genetically closer to East Asians than modern Central Asian Turkic groups. However, East Asian Turkic groups such as Dolgan, Salar, Tuvinian, Yakut, Chuvash Altaian, Altaian-Chelkan, Khakass, Kazakh-China, Kyrgyz-China showed genetic genetic affinity with Ashina.[104] The Ashina individual was genetically closest to post-Iron Age Tungusic and Mongolic Steppe pastoralists, supporting the near-exclusively Northeast Asian origin of the Ashina tribe and early Turkic populations.[104]"

"The ancient Türkic royal family of the Göktürks was found to share genetic affinities to post-Iron Age Tungusic and Mongolic pastoralists, while having heterogeneous relationships towards various later Turkic-speaking groups, suggesting genetic heterogeneity and multiple sources of origin for the later populations of the Turkic empire. This shows that the Ashina lineage had a dominating contribution on Mongolic and Tungusic speakers but limited contribution on Turkic-speaking populations. According to the authors of the 2023 study, these findings "once again validates a cultural diffusion model over a demic diffusion model for the spread of Turkic languages" and refutes "the western Eurasian origin and multiple origin hypotheses" in favor of an East Asian origin for the royal Ashina family.[105]"

"A genetic study published in scientific journal Current Biology in May 2022 examined 143 Avar samples from various periods, including Avar elites and local commoners. It confirmed the Ancient Northeast Asian (ANA) paternal and maternal origin for the Avar elite, with N1a-F4205 being their predominant and characteristic paternal lineage, alongside incorporated Q1a2a1 and R1a-Z94 Hunnic-Iranian remnants, and the rest belonging to local haplogroups found among surrounding populations. Autosomally, the Elite Avar samples "preserved very ancient Mongolian pre-Bronze Age genomes, with ca 90% [Ancient North-East Asian] ancestry", shared deep ancestry with European Huns, but although since Early Avar period started mixing with local and immigrant Hunnic-Iranian related populations, "people with different genetic ancestries were seemingly distinguished, as samples with Hun-related genomes were buried in separate cemeteries". The majority of the Avar Khaganate general population consisted of local European peoples (EU_core) but did not display Northeast Asian admixture, supporting a model of elite dominance of arriving horse nomads over a large sedentary population, with at least some subsequent admixture events."

Now if you only look at the elites for the Avars, not their assimilated subjects, despite them literally invading Europe and staying there, they were 100% East Asian paternally of Haplogroups N and Q, with only like 10% European DNA on the maternal side, similar to the 98% East Asian royal Ashina family of Gokturks

“A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in January 2020 examined the remains of 26 individuals buried at various elite Avar cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin dated to the 7th century.[57] The mtDNA of these Avars belonged mostly to East Asian haplogroups, while the Y-DNA was exclusively of East Asian origin and "strikingly homogenous", belonging to haplogroups N-M231and Q-M242.[58] The evidence suggests that the Avar elite were largely patrilineal."


Not a single source for any of that btw, written by some 5'6 Anatolian cuck in his mom's basement on Reddit JFL


Their maternal line is majority West Eurasian as well so none of this even matters (even if we don't count the fact that R1A-Z93 and R as a whole is undeniably originally an East Eurasian YDNA haplogroup), the vast majority of steppe groups have EVEN MORE West Eurasian mtDNA than YDNA as @unstable showed in his charts, and they have more East Eurasian YDNA than East Eurasian mtDNA as well, proving it was vast majority East Eurasian men fucking West Eurasian women

"A genetic study on maternal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups of a Turkmen sample describes a mixture of mostly West Eurasian lineages maternal lineages and minority of East Eurasian lineages. Turkmens also have two unusual mtDNA markers with polymorphic characteristics, only found in Turkmens and southern Siberians.[58]"

You know Central Asians were originally mostly Caucasoid Indo-European right? They were EVEN MORE R1A before the Turko-Mongolic expansions from Northeast Asia cucking the native Caucasoid Indo-Europeans there, the only reason they're majority R1A is because they were mostly R1A in the first place

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Mongols and Kazakhs are still both majority Haplogroup C btw, Kazakhs are the biggest moggers in Central Asia, being the tallest, richest, highest GDP, best looking, best at combat sports, and most successful Central Asian country, and they're less than 10% West Eurasian paternally, but literally 41% West Eurasian maternally JFL

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The below is all from the same source btw, showing Mongolians incorporated lots of European mtDNA into their genes while their YDNA mostly remained the same, and they also replaced the YDNA of other Central Asian populations while their YDNA remained the same. They also didn't contribute much to the mtDNA of other Central Asians despite contributing heavily to their YDNA, showing it was all Mongol and Kazakh Changs fucking Caucasoid Tajik, Kyrgyz, Altaian, Uyghur, Uzbek, and Turkmen women

"The European haplogroups were detected in Mongolians who inhabited Central Asia, such as Xingjing Autonomous region, and central Inner Mongolian. The Silk Road (second century bc to the thirteenth century ad) would have brought the European-specific genetics into those regions. However, few European-specific haplogroups have been found in Han and Tibetan populations who lived along the Silk Road (Yao et al. 2002; Qian et al. 2001), which supports the hypothesis that the Silk Road contributed little genetic admixture between the Europeans and East Asians. In history, the Parthian empire prevented any mass migration of strange people, usually only allowing caravans of traders to pass, so population migration freely between Europe and East Asia could not occur (Dubs 1957). Thus, the genetic admixture of Europeans with northern East Asians in Central Asian can only be explained by the later conquer of the Mongolian empire (1271–1368 ad). The Mongolian populations played an important role in promoting the historical development of Eurasia. Genghis Khan (1162–1227) and his descendants waged three wars in the west and established the united multiethnic Mongolian empire crossing Eurasia, which had 3.5 million km2 and a 100 million people. The Mongolians continued to dominate the region north of the Great Wall of China and west to the Aral Sea for two more centuries after the Mongolian empire ended in 1368. Then, some Mongolian descendants moved back to their hometowns from thousands of kilometers away. Those who migrated back carried some exotic genetic components with them. During their wars, the Mongolian conquerers incorporated some ethnic populations into their groups, and those admixtures expanded the Mongolian gene pool. The European-specific mtDNA haplogroups could be detected in different northern Mongolian populations.
Y-chromosome studies support the fact that Mongolians have kept East-Asian characteristics (Nasidze et al. 2005; Wells et al. 2001; Xue et al. 2006; Yang et al. 2005). The prevalence of the Mongolian Y chromosome in Central Asians support the inequity admixture due to Genghis Khan’s military success (Zerjal et al. 2002, 2003), that is, the Mongolia conqueror contributed the dominant Y chromosome to the descendant admixture populations. This happened in the Indo-Europeans admixture in the caste establishment in India (Bamshad et al. 2001; Thanseem et al. 2006), and similar situations were found among Spanish Conquistadors and British colonialists in North America and Australia (Carvajal-Carmonn et al. 2000). The Y-chromosome data support Mongolian impact in the genetics of Central and northern East Asians, however, Mongolian impact from maternal lineage was not significant (Bamshad et al. 2001; Thanseem et al. 2006). The unbalanced genetic contribution of the paternal and maternal in the admixture populations during conquest by the Mongolian empire indicate the developmental history of Mongolian populations."

Genetic imprint of the Mongol: signal from phylogeographic analysis of mitochondrial DNA - Journal of Human Genetics

Mitochondrial deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) from 201 unrelated Mongolian individuals in the three different regions was analyzed. The Mongolians took the dominant East Asian-specific haplogroups, and some European-prevalent haplogroups were detected. The East Asians-specific haplogroups...

www.nature.com

West Eurasian ancestry literally declined during the Mongol Empire while there was a male-mediated rise in East Asian ancestry btw, showing it was Mongoloid men cucking Caucasoid men and fucking their women

"A 2020 study based on ancient DNA found that West Eurasian autosomal ancestry declined significantly in Mongolia during the Mongol empire period. The authors detected a male-mediated rise in East Asian ancestry in the late medieval Mongolian period, noting also the increase in haplogroup C2b, the presumed lineage of Genghis Khan.[18]"


Your source: Redditard Anatolian coper

My source: Scientists and anthropologists that widely agree upon the origins of the Ashina royal family and Proto-Turks, cope and kang about it buddy boyo

Avars were the exact same way


Your only source for this: random singular Persian cuck who never even met Genghis Khan and was born literally decades after he died, tryna spreading propaganda and cope and kang about high T Mongol bvlls because they nearly genocided his entire race and wiped the Khwarazmian Empire off the map before he was even born

WE WUZ KHANZ N SHYT, autistic little white supremacist incel with a cringe blonde cuck PFP has to cope and kang and claim the achievements of Turkomongol bvlls who conquered raped and massacred his people to cope with being conquered raped and massacred by another race JFL

In reality, actual genetic testing shows that the DIRECT MALE LINE DESCENDANTS of Genghis Khan have Haplogroup C, proving that he had 100% East Eurasian male ancestors

"Y chromosome haplogroup C2c1a1a1-M407 is carried by Mongol descendants of the Northern Yuan ruler from 1474–1517, Dayan Khan, who is a male line descendant of Genghis Khan which was found out after geneticists in Mongolia conducted tests on them."

"Toghan, Genghis Khan's sixth son has claimed descendants who have Y haplogroup C2b1a1b1-F1756 just like the first son of Genghis Khan, Jochi's descendants in the Kazakh Tore clan.[48]"
"The Lu clan claimed to be the descendants of Khulgen, the sixth son of Genghis Khan. A genetic study of the molecular genealogy of Northwest China shows that some members of Lu belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C2b1a1b1 F1756.[10] This haplogroup is also observed in the Tore clan from Kazakhstan, who are paternal descendants of Jochi, the first alleged son of Genghis Khan.[11]"

The Avar elites who conquered, massacred, and enslaved hundreds of thousands of Slavs, Germanics, and Balkans alike were also genetically tested to be homogenously 100% East Asian paternally how do you cope with that?

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The only reason the Europeans even beat them in the first place is due to the help of the Avars' genetically superior AMWF hapa sons JFL

"Each year, the Huns [Avars] came to the Slavs, to spend the winter with them; then they took the wives and daughters of the Slavs and slept with them, and among the other mistreatments [already mentioned] the Slavs were also forced to pay levies to the Huns. But the sons of the Huns, who were [then] raised with the wives and daughters of these Wends could not finally endure this oppression anymore and refused obedience to the Huns and began, as already mentioned, a rebellion."

Meanwhile, European empires like the Rurikids who ruled Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine for over 700 years straight ACTUALLY had East Eurasian paternal haplogroups and their AMWF hapa rulers were made from Siberian Changs breeding Scandinavian Stacies JFL

"A genetic study on the origins of the Rurikids (Zhur et al. 2023) analysed "for the first time", remains belonging to Prince Dmitry Alexandrovich. The study found that Dmitry Alexandrovich and most of the "medieval and modern Rurikids", starting with Prince Yaroslav the Wise, belong to paternal haplogroup N-M231 (N1a). The genetic results suggest that the formation of the Rurikid lineage included a population from eastern Scandinavia (Öland), a population from Central Europe or the Iron Age Eurasian Steppe, and an East Asian component via Siberian geneflow to Northeastern Europe.[37]"

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

nigga for god's sake please don't type like that it makes you look like a retard and also those photos don't help your ase tbh

@Ghost Philosophy
correction r1a and r1b were formed in west eurasians (ANE) but the ancestral haplogroups were from eastern eurasia. unlike my previouse claim that they were 100% east eurasian in origin.

Why would they be considered West Eurasians if they are called Ancient North Eurasians? They are common in West Eurasians but they ultimately get it from Ancient North Eurasians.

 

[unstable]

Why would they be considered West Eurasians if they are called Ancient North Eurasians? They are common in West Eurasians but they ultimately get it from Ancient North Eurasians.

ane malta boy the first skeleton with R haplogroup is 75% west eurasian

north eurasian is a mixture of west and east

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

ane malta boy the first skeleton with R haplogroup is 75% west eurasian

north eurasian is a mixture of west and east

I am guessing his mother was fully West Eurasian, and his father was half West Eurasian and half East Eurasian or something. Because R1* originated in Siberia. And that is northeast Asia, I think. Close to Mongolia, if I am not mistaken.

 

[unstable]

I am guessing his mother was fully West Eurasian, and his father was half West Eurasian and half East Eurasian or something. Because R1* originated in Siberia. And that is northeast Asia, I think. Close to Mongolia, if I am not mistaken.

he lived in mongolia.
he was the oldest we know about R
down south we find P (R's ancestor) in tianyuan man.

 

[hotcheetoboy]

Why would they be considered West Eurasians if they are called Ancient North Eurasians? They are common in West Eurasians but they ultimately get it from Ancient North Eurasians.

I am guessing his mother was fully West Eurasian, and his father was half West Eurasian and half East Eurasian or something. Because R1* originated in Siberia. And that is northeast Asia, I think. Close to Mongolia, if I am not mistaken.

he lived in mongolia.
he was the oldest we know about R
down south we find P (R's ancestor) in tianyuan man.

The cucking and replacement happened so, so long ago and was so widespread that they're considered West Eurasian now (similar to what happened somewhat more recently in Finland and the Baltics where the invading gooks completely bleached themselves with the native Scandinavian women) but make no mistake it was originally East Eurasian

Every single R1A and R1B male today can trace their line tens of thousands of years back to a purely East Eurasian male ancestor like K2B Tianyuan man who is most genetically related to modern day East Asians and Southeast Asians, as well as thousands of West Eurasian female ancestors

Haplogroup R ANE Yamnaya steppe invaders replaced and cucked REAL native European, purely West Eurasian haplogroups like G, I, and J (Then those Haplogroup R mutts got double raped again in Northeast Europe by Haplogroup N Siberians JFL)

This is how Mal'ta boy and Ancient North Eurasians were produced

It is unanimously agreed that haplogroup K2B AS WELL AS Haplogroup P and Haplogroup P1, which all Haplogroup R comes from, was East Eurasian

Haplogroup R's direct father haplogroup (P1), grandfather haplogroup (P), great-grandfather haplogroup (K2B), closest brother haplogroup (Q), as well as both its closest cousin haplogroups (N and O) ARE ALL EAST EURASIAN

You can't tell me all of those haplogroups are East Eurasian but Haplogroup R isn't JFL

R is undeniably an originally East Eurasian YDNA haplogroup that bleached itself autosomally with millions of Caucasoid women

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

The cucking and replacement happened so, so long ago and was so widespread that they're considered West Eurasian now (similar to what happened somewhat more recently in Finland and the Baltics where the invading gooks completely bleached themselves with the native Scandinavian women) but make no mistake it was originally East Eurasian

Every single R1A and R1B male today can trace their line tens of thousands of years back to a purely East Eurasian male ancestor like K2B Tianyuan man who is most genetically related to modern day East Asians and Southeast Asians, as well as thousands of West Eurasian female ancestors

Haplogroup R ANE Yamnaya steppe invaders replaced and cucked REAL native European, purely West Eurasian haplogroups like G, I, and J (Then those Haplogroup R mutts got double raped again in Northeast Europe by Haplogroup N Siberians JFL)

This is how Mal'ta boy and Ancient North Eurasians were produced

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It is unanimously agreed that haplogroup K2B AS WELL AS Haplogroup P and Haplogroup P1, which all Haplogroup R comes from, was East Eurasian

Haplogroup R's direct father haplogroup (P1), grandfather haplogroup (P), great-grandfather haplogroup (K2B), closest brother haplogroup (Q), as well as both its closest cousin haplogroups (N and O) ARE ALL EAST EURASIAN

You can't tell all of those haplogroups are East Eurasian but Haplogroup R isn't JFL

R is undeniably an originally East Eurasian YDNA haplogroup that bleached itself autosomally with millions of Caucasoid women

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Yes, you're right. Btw, iirc those original haplogroups in West Eurasia came from the Middle East through ANF.

 

[dhusc]

why is that this forum puts so much effort on racism and nothing else

 

[dhusc]

Yes, you're right. Btw, iirc those original haplogroups in West Eurasia came from the Middle East through ANF.

are you talking about R1a n R1b?

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

are you talking about R1a n R1b?

Yes, R1* which is ancestral to R1a and R1b. But the other original European haplogroups were Middle Eastern haplogroups, I think? Idk.

 

[dhusc]

Yes, R1* which is ancestral to R1a and R1b. But the other original European haplogroups were Middle Eastern haplogroups, I think? Idk.

did it not come from modern day ukraine though since ANF carried G2A?

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

did it not come from modern day ukraine though since ANF carried G2A?

G2a is from ANF, yes.

 

[dhusc]

G2a is from ANF, yes.

so how could it have come from the Middle East to Europe?

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

so how could it have come from the Middle East to Europe?

Because of the Out-of-Africa waves. They first settled in West Asia. Anatolian Neolithic farmers were native to Anatolia. Which is in West Asia.

 

[Maxillular]

@hotcheetoboy the amount of retarded takes in this thread is frying my brain

 

[hotcheetoboy]

@hotcheetoboy the amount of retarded takes in this thread is frying my brain

We wuz Genghis Khan saar

 

[lurker23]

 

[Maxillular]

Nah I wanted some engagement on this dead thread and I knew you would sperg out like this like you sperged out on @

@Maxillular on that other thread, it's fun breaking your brain and raping your cortisol with online words

LOL that sandnigger got cortisol spiked for NO reason at all

Sandniggers are THE MOST RAPED RACE right next to jeets man

These people are so paranoid, high cortisol, high neuroticism, it's insane.

Literal schizo eternal victim race.

 

[dhusc]

Because of the Out-of-Africa waves. They first settled in West Asia. Anatolian Neolithic farmers were native to Anatolia. Which is in West Asia.

but that’s assuming that halo group existed back then no?

 

[hotcheetoboy]

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AI generated cope, meanwhile

 

[LTNUser]

Why are you niggas arguing about this shit every single day
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Everybody loves to clown Asians