mulling over genetics thread

[GuyFromSingapore]

< out of India Aryan migration theory is nonsense because India has both R1a1a ydna and H ydna. R1a1a comes from PQ while H comes from HIJK

< I is high in North Western Europe, J is high in West Asia, K in Melanesians. So we can theorize that HIJK is somewhere that lies between all 4(geographically). But that's not necessarily the case. All you need is successive migration waves individually migrating to any particular regions. Like Q comes from P but is the dominant ydna of Native Americans which is far away from the origin of P.

HIJK founders could have travelled anywhere and started a founder population.

People travel so it doesn't matter where they end up.

Take America for example, California has a significant East Asian population. This migration was possible only through modern air and maritime travel. And America is far away from East Asia.

- speaking of which, if a specific group of people, however insignificant they maybe, form an underclass/blue collar/lower class, their numbers will increase because the labour class forms the substrata of the population, they will have access to more women

The elites on the other hand will only breed with the most attractive, high quality women

< H ydna is the highest in tribal populations aka Weddoids, Shudras/lower castes have much higher frequency of H ydna than High Caste Hindus(aka Aryans). So obviously H ydna tribals became today's Shudras/low castes(but where did they get R1a1a ydna from?, I will discuss this again later)

- the whole ASI autosomal thing is nonsense, ASI is either Weddoid or Negrito(it can't be both, as they are two different phenotypes), the ASI component is highest in Negritos. But is it also high in H ydna significant tribals? Maybe Weddoid evolved from Negrito.

Negritos don't have M mtdna or H ydna. But as you know Tamils look very similar to Ethiopians/Somalis(Europid+Negrid hybrids). So what must have happened was that a H ydna Tamil must have married a ASI woman and had a son with them(preserving the H ydna) who married a M mtdna woman, giving birth to male and female children who now carry ASI autosomes(which now means 25% Negrito/ASI). Or some kind of disease took place wiping out Negrito/ASI mtdna.

- I have never seen a fully Negrito Tamil

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

H ydna Weddoid male breeds with a Negrito female (having 50% Weddoid and 50% Negrito children). Suppose his 50% Negrito - from the mother's side son - breeds with another Negrito female again. Their son will carry 75% Negrito/ASI autosomes. If their son breeds with a Weddoid/M mtdna female in return, the Negrito/ASI autosomes will return back to 50% Negrito/ASI and 50% Weddoid.

< If you want to maintain 50% ASI autosomes low caste Tamils. Their children should have interbred with similar scenario(as above mentioned) children. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY a Tamil can have more than 50% ASI. That's impossible without them also carrying ASI haplogroups

< So why do North Indians carry lower ASI than South Indians you ask? Simple. Given the above mentioned scenario, if a 50% Weddoid 50% Negrito/ASI North Indian married a 100% Europid/West Eurasian/Aryan R1a1a North Indian male. The ASI autosomes will reduce to 25%. Which pretty much is the case! Now if their descendants intermarried with each other the ASI %age will remain constant.

- So how come some South Indians look similar to North Indians? Weddoid is the similarity between both North Indians and South Indians. Therefore the admixture was inconsistent. It's like taking marbles from one container and putting some more in the other containers and some less in other containers.

- speaking of which, North Indians look more Europid/West Eurasian than South Indians ON AVERAGE.

And the haplogroups numbers don't lie. North Indians = higher R1a1a ydna and West Eurasian mtdna(such as U mtdna)

< question is, do South Indian Brahmins have higher M mtdna frequency than low caste North Indians? If they do, then they must have had more male vs female migration expansion from the North and took local M mtdna females and created their own community

< We know that South Indian Brahmins have higher R1a1a ydna than low caste North Indians. This means South Indian Brahmins are less bastards, "more pure" than North Indian low castes who have multiple origins. What happened was Aryan R1a1a Brahmins did not mate with outside groups on the patrilineal side.