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He only sustained some injuries, nothing life threatening.
“muh religion of peace” really showing here tho
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He only sustained some injuries, nothing life threatening.
yes.If they are opposites then am do I contradict myself in saying that I subjectively believing that this is objectively wrong?
this verse refers to the battle of tabuk. Its not a general order to kill christians or jooz. It was a specific order to defend against the Romans. (Unlike the bible,the Quran does not record the circumstances that leads to a verse being revealed. The people at the time of the revelation would know what the revelation means and later people would have to refer to hadith and history to understand what went on at that time)Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
At-Tawba 29
« religion of peace » is something made up by some « muslims » trying to please the west.“muh religion of peace” really showing here tho![]()
If not for my priest locally, I’d agree.Mar Mari Emmanuel is one of the greatest priests iver ever heard, praying for him
Another reason why islam is false. Your book just doesn't make sense. It's the greatest thing ever made, yet it requires other books (made by humans) to be understood and guess what... it's still unclear af(Unlike the bible,the Quran does not record the circumstances that leads to a verse being revealed
how about fuck both and give Jerusalem back to the Catholic ChurchAll the christian sheep screeching about Palestine deserve (and will get) this treatment. That's the true face of islam.
Fuck Jerusalem too. Lets focus on fixing our countries first.how about fuck both and give Jerusalem back to the Catholic Church
The catholic church deserves to get wiped off the face of the Earth (I'm Christian)how about fuck both and give Jerusalem back to the Catholic Church
those « other books » are just recollections of the sayings and doings of the prophet (pretty much the same as the gospels btw, difference being that we have the chain of narrations). our « bible » would be the Quran+ books of Hadith.Another reason why islam is false. Your book just doesn't make sense. It's the greatest thing ever made, yet it requires other books (made by humans) to be understood and guess what... it's still unclear af
No. Assuming that someone on an island got airdropped the Quran without hadith, takfir etc… and he does his best to follow what is written, he will be judged based on his niyah (intentions), and most certainly will enter Jannah.If a Christian is on a remote island and all he has is a Bible he can get saved. If a muslim is on a remote island he's going to hell cuz he doesn't have the 38994103 volumes of hadiths, commentaries, and biographies
How is it a contradiction if you simultaneously affirm both that objective assertions are subjectiveyes.
this verse refers to the battle of tabuk. Its not a general order to kill christians or jooz. It was a specific order to defend against the Romans. (Unlike the bible,the Quran does not record the circumstances that leads to a verse being revealed. The people at the time of the revelation would know what the revelation means and later people would have to refer to hadith and history to understand what went on at that time)
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not love transgressors. (2:190)
Fight them until there is no more persecution and worship is for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.(2:193)
If the enemy inclines to peace, then incline to it also and rely upon Allah. Verily, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. (8:61)
So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause for fighting against them. (4:90)
« religion of peace » is something made up by some « muslims » trying to please the west.
something objective cannot be subjective.How is it a contradiction if you simultaneously affirm both that objective assertions are subjective
Yeah but how do you prove islam is more moral than anyone elsesomething objective cannot be subjective.
objectively more moralYeah but how do you prove islam is more moral than anyone else
im defending religion in general, not just islam. Im saying that religion gives us objective morals, unlike atheism which doesnt. If the true principles of atheism were applied, we would very much not be different from animals since atheism cannot give an objective reason to why killing, raping, incest, hypergamy etc is bad.Yeah but how do you prove islam is more moral than anyone else
maybe atheism is more objectively moral because it is the foundation of everything like inventions, technology, and very religion itself which by itself gives nothing but cope.im defending religion in general, not just islam. Im saying that religion gives us objective morals, unlike atheism which doesnt. If the true principles of atheism were applied, we would very much not be different from animals since atheism cannot give an objective reason to why killing, raping, incest, hypergamy etc is bad.
It's unclear to all Muslims. It's literally impossible to just read the Quran, you gotta go and ask the sheikhs about pretty much everything.They might be unclear to you but it aint to millions of people.
No, The Gospels were written between AD 66 and 90, which means they appeared between 33 and 50 years after Jesus' death. Meanwhile, it wasn't until the 8th and 9th centuries, roughly 200 to 300 years after Muhammad's death, that scholars began compiling and writing down these traditions of sayings and actions.our « bible » would be the Quran+ books of Hadith.
Dnr all but As a ex muslim and now atheist first sentence is true that it's not fully clear and it plays with 2 possibilities at once while claiming to be otherwise.It's unclear to all Muslims. It's literally impossible to just read the Quran, you gotta go and ask the sheikhs about pretty much everything.
The Quran claims for itself that it is "mubeen" or clear but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims and experts will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the quranic text is just incomprehensible. The Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries, foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verb verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number, illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no reference; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberration in the language have given scope to critics who deny the quran's eloquence. Not to mention it had some random letters scattered around it that no one knows what they mean.
No, The Gospels were written between AD 66 and 90, which means they appeared between 33 and 50 years after Jesus' death. Meanwhile, it wasn't until the 8th and 9th centuries, roughly 200 to 300 years after Muhammad's death, that scholars began compiling and writing down these traditions of sayings and actions.
inventions, technology ??? BS mate.maybe atheism is more objectively moral because it is the foundation of everything like inventions, technology, and very religion itself which by itself gives nothing but cope.
Read it nigga this shit bombDnr all but As a ex muslim and now atheist first sentence is true that it's not fully clear and it plays with 2 possibilities at once while claiming to be otherwise.
christianity didnt help newton invent the math that i as an atheist probably know more about than youinventions, technology ??? BS mate.
Newton was chrirstian.
Algebra was discovered by a muslim.
The scientific method was mostly created by a muslim.
the « father of modern optics » was muslim.
Euler, Faraday, Maxwell, Gauss were christian (physics/mathematics).
The first university was opened by muslims.
Dozens of very important vaccines were made by jews.
I could go on and on. Atheism isnt « the foundation of everything »
there is no such thing as « more objectively moral ».
And even atheists nowadays are using the morality that came from religion lol.
Fuck very very accurate. Hence I left honestly it's just interpretation that's it.It's unclear to all Muslims. It's literally impossible to just read the Quran, you gotta go and ask the sheikhs about pretty much everything.
The Quran claims for itself that it is "mubeen" or clear but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims and experts will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the quranic text is just incomprehensible. The Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries, foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verb verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number, illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no reference; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberration in the language have given scope to critics who deny the quran's eloquence. Not to mention it had some random letters scattered around it that no one knows what they mean.
No, The Gospels were written between AD 66 and 90, which means they appeared between 33 and 50 years after Jesus' death. Meanwhile, it wasn't until the 8th and 9th centuries, roughly 200 to 300 years after Muhammad's death, that scholars began compiling and writing down these traditions of sayings and actions.
Chain of narration my ass
Allah couldn't make a good book if his life depended on it. Gets mogged by human authors on a daily basisFuck very very accurate. Hence I left honestly it's just interpretation that's it.
BrahminBoss is EXTREMELY based. More news at 11I have listened to this guy b4 , hopefully now people understand what a vile excuse for a religion islam is and revert to the Lord
Allah couldn't make a good book if his life depended on it. Gets mogged by human authors on a daily basis
Agreed. But your going harsh on muslim cels here.there only kind people .org .like gengar and squirtle and forgot that other guy. Others just degrade like blackgymmaxI have listened to this guy b4 , hopefully now people understand what a vile excuse for a religion islam is and revert to the Lord
No one (besides Quranists) claim that the Quran alone can answer all questions. There is a reason why we have Hadith too.It's unclear to all Muslims. It's literally impossible to just read the Quran, you gotta go and ask the sheikhs about pretty much everything.
Copy-pasted BSThe Quran claims for itself that it is "mubeen" or clear but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims and experts will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the quranic text is just incomprehensible. The Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries, foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verb verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number, illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no reference; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other such aberration in the language have given scope to critics who deny the quran's eloquence. Not to mention it had some random letters scattered around it that no one knows what they mean.
Yet there are no copies of the gospel from that date range so this is irrelevant. We also dont have any type of chain of narration or anything. this is a debate for another day tho.No, The Gospels were written between AD 66 and 90, which means they appeared between 33 and 50 years after Jesus' death
when they were compiled doesnt change anything. (100-300AH btw)Meanwhile, it wasn't until the 8th and 9th centuries, roughly 200 to 300 years after Muhammad's death, that scholars began compiling and writing down these traditions of sayings and actions.
Chain of narration is the most important thing when it comes to hadith authentification.Chain of narration my ass
He is an idol-worshipping pagan, check his post historyBrahminBoss is EXTREMELY based. More news at 11
I've not noticed that, most of they seem narcy imo (not all).Agreed. But your going harsh on muslim cels here.there only kind people .org .like gengar and squirtle and forgot that other guy. Others just degrade like blackgymmax
sandnigger classic, the west is doomed
siberian temperature IQ. Did atheism help anyone invent anything ?christianity didnt help newton invent the math that i as an atheist probably know more about than you
Might be I guess I don't know i don't usually look into these debates also why gandy degen banner use something more non degenI've not noticed that, most of they seem narcy imo (not all).
Squirtle is Christian btw
In the past. Islam and Judaism are now the most violent religions.Pretty much every religion, people, have committed genocide so this is irrelevant (im not saying it wasnt bad/evil).
Many Islamic Jihadist groups would disagree with you.This goes against the Quran and again, it is not (at all) something done only by muslims.
Because the U.S. and Russia have dropped a huge amount of Bombs on them to contain them to the middle east. ISIS wants to take over the entire world.Majority of the victims of ISIS are muslims. Again, groups that kill people in the name of their beliefs isnt a « muslim only » thing
Muslims are 1.1% of the U.S. population. Such as small percentage of the population causing so much violence. Imagine if we let more of them in?« Muslims perpetrated 12.5% of attacks in the US, yet received half of the news coverage. »
i know more maths cause i do it everyday as a job and go college and im ahead of everyone.siberian temperature IQ. Did atheism help anyone invent anything ?
can you tell me how you do/ would know more than me about maths ?
If you say its « because ur atheist » than thats cope since I just told you that almost all of mathematics was discovered by religious people.
You know how to rep farm don't you? Future incelebrity in making also you didn't reply why men's virginity do not matter?
Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”He wasnt muslim + show me anywhere in the quran or the sunnah where muslims are told to kill people with different ideologies.
It's still true, I often argue with muzzies so I have some things stored in my arsenalCopy-pasted BS
I guess you meanYet there are no copies of the gospel from that date range so this is irrelevant. We also dont have any type of chain of narration or anything. this is a debate for another day tho.
We don't need a "chain" nigga. The guys who wrote the Gospels were literally there and heard Jesus say it first hand. A "narration" doesn't get more "sahih" than thatYou also dont have any type of chain of narration or anything
It does, it's way too late in your case. Not to mention that they were compiled very far away from where the supposed events happened. Jfl Muhammad al-Bukhari whote this shit from 4k kilometers awaywhen they were compiled doesnt change anything.
214 years later and 4k kilometers awayChain of narration is the most important thing when it comes to hadith authentification.
To authenticate a hadith, scholars look at the biography and date of birth/death first to see if it is historically accurate, then for each narrator they look at: whether the narrator was a muslim, had reached puberty and was known to be wise and trustworthy, was not an open sinner.
Then they check if the hadith contradicts the Quran or not and if the language matches the one used at the time of the prophet.
Chain of narration my ass
ACHKSHUALLYYYYY, YOU NEED CONTEXT SARRRRR!!!!!!Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
that doesnt mean we should ignore the past.In the past. Islam and Judaism are now the most violent religions.
thats fine, all reputable muslims scholars now and from before disagree with them. Same way most christians would disagree with extremist groups like the KKK that have a flawed interpretation of christian scriptures.Many Islamic Jihadist groups would disagree with you.
the bombing of middle eastern civilians and the stealing of $150 billions of oil money wasnt to « contain » ISIS.Because the U.S. and Russia have dropped a huge amount of Bombs on them to contain them to the middle east. ISIS wants to take over the entire world.
Like the US did in the middle east ? Im not condoning terrorist attacks, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of the media.like drowning people in cages and cutting off heads
I replied to 9:29 earlier and 47:4 is also talking about a specific battle.Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Its not, nor do you have any way to say it is. This is most likely something copy pasted from some christian with some arabic knowledge.It's still true, I often argue with muzzies so I have some things stored in my arsenal
Yep, mbI guess you mean
No, « those who wrote the gospels » were eyewitnesses of eye witnesses which is a chain.We don't need a "chain" nigga. The guys who wrote the Gospels were literally there and heard Jesus say it first hand. A "narration" doesn't get more "sahih" than that
Give me a reason why the location of the compilation changes the authenticity of a hadithIt does, it's way too late in your case. Not to mention that they were compiled very far away from where the supposed events happened. Jfl Muhammad al-Bukhari whote this shit from 4k kilometers away
Atheism has nothing to do with that so its irrelevant to our debatei know more maths cause i do it everyday as a job and go college and im ahead of everyone.
ikI also think youre not understanding what atheism means. Atheism doesnt mean to claim god doesnt exist, but rather to deny affirming the existence of it, so atheism is the neutral position.
It should be considered as there is no objective morality without it.This means the burden of proof is on you to show religion should be considered when it comes to civilisation and just a good society in general.
"There is no objective morality without it"Atheism has nothing to do with that so its irrelevant to our debate
ik
It should be considered as there is no objective morality without it.
it could be a false flag done by a jew tbh. It wouldnt be the first time they've done it:
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote the Gospels, they were in the presence of Jesus. They didn't ask others what to writeNo, « those who wrote the gospels » were eyewitnesses of eye witnesses which is a chain.
Over such a long time, information can be easily distorted. Like a game of telephone, details may be added, removed, or made sound better in the retelling of the sayings across generations. Societies and their values change over centuries. The hadith nigga, living in a different cultural context 4000 kilometers away, can definitely misinterpret the meaning or intent behind Muhammad's sayings. Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings. He definitely filtered those (choose to include sayings that support his views and omit others... reminds me of this one book that got some of it's chapters burned and eaten by sheep so they may never see light ever againGive me a reason why the location of the compilation changes the authenticity of a hadith
you say this like it is a well-known fact when its source of many debates amongst christian scholarsMatthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote the Gospels, they were in the presence of Jesus. They didn't ask others what to write
This does not play in your favour, knowing that the oldest bible (incomplete btw) is from 300-305 ADOver such a long time, information can be easily distorted. Like a game of telephone, details may be added, removed, or made sound better in the retelling of the sayings across generations. Societies and their values change over centuries
could have, however Bukhari and other hadtith books were all authenticated both at the time of the compilation and later by others.The hadith nigga, living in a different cultural context 4000 kilometers away, can definitely misinterpret the meaning or intent behind Muhammad's sayings. Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings
« probably »Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings
The bible ?He definitely filtered those (choose to include sayings that support his views and omit others... reminds me of this one book that got some of it's chapters burned so they may never see light ever again)
Thats where the importance of the chain of narration comes in lolBeing this far away, it's unlikely that Bukhari had access to reliable sources to verify the authenticity of the sayings he collected
again, this is why the field of islamic studies specialising in the authentification of hadith is so important to usAnd last but not least, there's a chance the author, or someone in the "transmission chain", fabricated sayings entirely to fit a certain narrative or for dramatic effect
Bad example since the moon splitting is from Quran and not hadith(moon split for example)
It's not a "source of many debates", maybe there are some retards who wanna make a career out of sayings controversial stuff, but real scholars just laugh at them.you say this like it is a well-known fact when its source of many debates amongst christian scholars
Cope, The Bible is unchanged, It's a fact confirmed by some of the biggest critics of ChristianityThis does not play in your favour, knowing that the oldest bible (incomplete btw) is from 300-305 AD
« probably »
« could »could have, however Bukhari and other hadtith books were all authenticated both at the time of the compilation and later by others.
It was narrated that Aishah said: "The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult tenThe bible ?
Secular historians laugh at y'all's "chains" and criteria. Muslims scholars said Islam was rightagain, this is why the field of islamic studies specialising in the authentification of hadith is so important to us
Ok, my bad, here are some miracles of Muhammad that can only be found in the hadith:Bad example since the moon splitting is from Quran and not hadith
ofc ethnics flock to a violent religion like islam it’s all their underdeveloped brains understand is violence
He didn't die though thank God