My experiences with striking up casual conversation with girls at social events.

[Deleted member 275]

Looks:

Context: Parties, Clubbing, Festivals, Bars, Concerts.

I never start the conversation sexually, but just strike up convo about some random topic in the moment, something about the music, about a drink theyre having, how the bar looks, etc.
I always strike up convo in a casual way, never sexually right at the start unless it's about someone elses sexuality, etc u know


40% of the time: Look of disgust or of being annoyed by me presence and interaction. Generally don't even respond to me, just turn their backs towards me and ignore me.

40% of the time: They listen to what I have to say, but answer in few words and show little interest in keeping up a conversation. The vibe is: 'I am just answering this guy's questions, I hope he goes away soon' in my mind.

20% of the time: Girl responds back in a friendly way and seems to like the social interaction. The conversation/interaction usual stays somewhat casual/friendly, I struggle with turning interactions like this into sexual/flirty interactions since they are so rare anyways tbh. I guess this is where social skill/diference/self-esteem/confidence can make a difference but idk. Generally we have a few laughs and just go our own ways again.

In the end it's just 20% of female interactions that end up somewhat positively. So at an average social event I usually don't even have a single positive interaction with a woman, but negative interactions are common.


Are these somewhat normal percentages/interactions with women my age for a guy my lookslevel (~4.5PSL or something)?

Idk just dont see the point in approaching and even interacting with women at all if only 20% of interactions are going to be positive at my lookslevel. Seems like wasted effort if I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

 

[RichardSpencel]

I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

Mirin gaymaxxing.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Mirin gaymaxxing.

Meh. It's just that I know I can walk up to a random guy I don't know, say random shit and they would never just look at me in disgust or ignore me. Only happens with women.

 

[Deleted member 5809]

Looks:

Context: Parties, Clubbing, Festivals, Bars, Concerts.

I never start the conversation sexually, but just strike up convo about some random topic in the moment, something about the music, about a drink theyre having, how the bar looks, etc.
I always strike up convo in a casual way, never sexually right at the start unless it's about someone elses sexuality, etc u know


40% of the time: Look of disgust or of being annoyed by me presence and interaction. Generally don't even respond to me, just turn their backs towards me and ignore me.

40% of the time: They listen to what I have to say, but answer in few words and show little interest in keeping up a conversation. The vibe is: 'I am just answering this guy's questions, I hope he goes away soon' in my mind.

20% of the time: Girl responds back in a friendly way and seems to like the social interaction. The conversation/interaction usual stays somewhat casual/friendly, I struggle with turning interactions like this into sexual/flirty interactions since they are so rare anyways tbh. I guess this is where social skill/diference/self-esteem/confidence can make a difference but idk. Generally we have a few laughs and just go our own ways again.

In the end it's just 20% of female interactions that end up somewhat positively. So at an average social event I usually don't even have a single positive interaction with a woman, but negative interactions are common.


Are these somewhat normal percentages/interactions with women my age for a guy my lookslevel (~4.5PSL or something)?

Idk just dont see the point in approaching and even interacting with women at all if only 20% of interactions are going to be positive at my lookslevel. Seems like wasted effort if I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

mogs me to the moon and back. how tall were you again? you're one of the few people on this site that doesn't look aspie in pictures (or irl). try working on your aura, forget looksmaxxing.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

mogs me just for the sole fact ur striking up convos, my awkward ass could never

 

[Deleted member 275]

mogs me to the moon and back. how tall were you again? you're one of the few people on this site that doesn't look aspie in pictures (or irl). try working on your aura, forget looksmaxxing.

6'0

yeah i think aura is legit tbh, I am too disillusioned about women and the world in general, very depressed. prob shows in my interactions ngl

 

[Albeacho]

Chadlite

40% of the time: Look of disgust or of being annoyed by me presence and interaction. Generally don't even respond to me, just turn their backs towards me and ignore me.

40% of the time: They listen to what I have to say, but answer in few words and show little interest in keeping up a conversation. The vibe is: 'I am just answering this guy's questions, I hope he goes away soon' in my mind.

20% of the time: Girl responds back in a friendly way and seems to like the social interaction. The conversation/interaction usual stays somewhat casual/friendly, I struggle with turning interactions like this into sexual/flirty interactions since they are so rare anyways tbh. I guess this is where social skill/diference/self-esteem/confidence can make a difference but idk. Generally we have a few laughs and just go our own ways again.

In the end it's just 20% of female interactions that end up somewhat positively. So at an average social event I usually don't even have a single positive interaction with a woman, but negative interactions are common.


Are these somewhat normal percentages/interactions with women my age for a guy my lookslevel (~4.5PSL or something)?

Idk just dont see the point in approaching and even interacting with women at all if only 20% of interactions are going to be positive at my lookslevel. Seems like wasted effort if I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

When I read shit like this I don't even know what to think. If a guy like you is only getting a 20 percent positive response then how tf would foids respond to me? Holy fuck its over for me. Tbh I would be happy if I just got a becky gf at this point because Slaying is waste of time.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Chadlite

When I read shit like this I don't even know what to think. If a guy like you is only getting a 20 percent positive response then how tf would foids respond to me? Holy fuck its over for me. Tbh I would be happy if I just got a becky gf at this point because Slaying is waste of time.

I don't approach Beckies though, these are results after approaching girls I find somewhat attractive, usually high tier beckies. Sometimes bit better or worse than that, depending on how desperate I am and how much alcohol I've had.

This is prob slightly better looking than the avg girl I would approach tbh. This girl mogs most girls I would interact with. Would rate this girl also ~4.5PSL, looksmatched? but she can fuck better looking guys than me im sure of that.

But tbh if I don't find the girl attractive, I just don't see the point in approaching or interacting with her. I am guessing my percentages would be better if I lowered my standards but not gonna do that.

I rather looksmax till above girl finds me interesting or go mgtow. Having casual sex and casual relationships with girls I am not attracted to has never interested me. Sex is overated

 

[Albeacho]

I don't approach Beckies though, these are results after approaching girls I find somewhat attractive, usually high tier beckies. Sometimes bit better or worse than that, depending on how desperate I am and how much alcohol I've had.

This is prob slightly better looking than the avg girl I would approach tbh. This girl mogs most girls I would interact with. Would rate this girl also ~4.5PSL, looksmatched? but she can fuck better looking guys than me im sure of that.

But tbh if I don't find the girl attractive, I just don't see the point in approaching or interacting with her. I am guessing my percentages would be better if I lowered my standards but not gonna do that.

I rather looksmax till above girl finds me interesting or go mgtow. Having casual sex and casual relationships with girls I am not attracted to has never interested me. Sex is overated

Well then if your only approaching Stacie's then 20 percent genuinely sounds good. What other looksmaxes are you gonna do at this point? How old are you?

 

[Deleted member 7580]

While this guy is getting jbs pregnant

Lose bloat and get a haircut + tan , you look too pale

 

[Deleted member 275]

Well then if your only approaching Stacie's then 20 percent genuinely sounds good. What other looksmaxes are you gonna do at this point? How old are you?

What would you rate above girl? You think I am looksmatched with her?
But yeah I mainly approach girls like this. Other examples:

I don't care about banging girls I wouldn't also potentially see myself in a LTR with (based off looks).


Hairtransplant, lose some bodyfat and gain a bit of muscle, get better clothing/style. Beyond that I am not going to bother with any major looksmaxing.

25yo

 

[turkproducer]

You look decent. You definitely underrated yourself before

But ik what u mean, getting girls as a sub chadlite is like walking uphill whilst pulling a car

 

[lutte]

thanks for including a pic these threads are worthless otherwise

 

[Deleted member 275]

While this guy is getting jbs pregnant

Lose bloat and get a haircut + tan , you look too pale

mirin their ideal relationship tbh. I wish I was a teen getting a cute teen girl pregnant.

I guess tan is a looksmax I forgot about. I take beta carrotene + astaxanthin and use retinA, thought it would be enough to get a good 'tan' without having to expose my skin to sun radiation damage. But I guess tanning is still necessary.

 

[Albeacho]

What would you rate above girl? You think I am looksmatched with her?
But yeah I mainly approach girls like this. Other examples:

I don't care about banging girls I wouldn't also potentially see myself in a LTR with (based off looks).

Yeah I believe you can definitely ltr these girls. You are looksmatched with them if you didn't fraud your picture.

Hairtransplant, lose some bodyfat and gain a bit of muscle, get better clothing/style. Beyond that I am not going to bother with any major looksmaxing.

So just softmaxing which is all you need. Except the hair transplant which is middle tier max.

25yo

I read in a couple of posts that you said that you were a khhv until 22 or something. Seemed really weird to me but it makes more sense now that I know you only target stacies. Good luck with everything.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

The hair failos you hard. It is extremely hard for guys to pull off shoulder length hair, it usually just looks non NT and creepy.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

its over

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yeah I believe you can definitely ltr these girls. You are looksmatched with them if you didn't fraud your picture.


So just softmaxing which is all you need. Except the hair transplant which is middle tier max.

I read in a couple of posts that you said that you were a khhv until 22 or something. Seemed really weird to me but it makes more sense now that I know you only target stacies. Good luck with everything.

Cool it's a struggle to even get positive interactions with these looksmatched girls, let alone date/ltr or fuck them lol. Part of life I guess, just gotta keep going and try to make that 20% into something more than just a few casual laughs.

I was khhv untill 23.5yo, ~2years ago. Mostly because I was uglier in the past combined with some struggles from an abusive household.

This was me at 17yo, second guy from the right. Most of my childhood I also wore glasses which didn't help.

But kinda grew into my looks I guess.

 

[Deleted member 275]

The hair failos you hard. It is extremely hard for guys to pull off shoulder length hair, it usually just looks non NT and creepy.

hair is hit or miss tbh, I don't think my old short hairstyles are better. I didn't do better with shorter hairstyles with women, in fact the opposite.

Long:

Short:

 

[lutte]

Cool it's a struggle to even get positive interactions with these looksmatched girls, let alone date/ltr or fuck them lol. Part of life I guess, just gotta keep going and try to make that 20% into something more than just a few casual laughs.

I was khhv untill 23.5yo, ~2years ago. Mostly because I was uglier in the past combined with some struggles from an abusive household.

This was me at 17yo, second guy from the right. Most of my childhood I also wore glasses which didn't help.

But kinda grew into my looks I guess.

Are you hanging out with @thecel?

 

[Deleted member 275]

Are you hanging out with @thecel?

?! no

 

[Deleted member 2214]

How do u pull off a homeless hairstyle and still look high class?

 

[Deleted member 6305]

Haircut

 

[Deleted member 275]

How do u pull off a homeless hairstyle and still look high class?

cuz its not homeless hairstyle, its corona hairstyle

 

[DesperadoRatado]

you literally mog salludon

you have better eyebrows than @16tyo

one of the best eye areas on this site tbh

im indeed mirin this absolute specimen

 

[Deleted member 9787]

don’t give up

 

[Deleted member 13076]

I don't understand how you're not slaying, I'd say me and you are looks matched and I have no problem getting ONS, although my standards aren't atoo high, I can have sex with cute foids but If I'm horny I'll just fuck a 2/10 and not deal with the bullshit of a high SMV girl. You sound a bit low T? do you have a strong sex drive

Maybe you're too casual when it comes to convos, Men are always the chaser, girls don't chase not even for chad they just make it known that they're into you and then you escalate. Maybe you don't know how to read women?

You're good looking, You should have foids into you. Have you tried hanging out around Rock/Metal groups? you have that metalhead look that alt girls like.

 

[lasthope]

The hair failos you hard. It is extremely hard for guys to pull off shoulder length hair, it usually just looks non NT and creepy.

This. Even as a dude i would get some non nt vibes from you probably

try a shorter hairstyle + wash you hair it looks oily

And then save up for HT

 

[lasthope]

Cool it's a struggle to even get positive interactions with these looksmatched girls, let alone date/ltr or fuck them lol. Part of life I guess, just gotta keep going and try to make that 20% into something more than just a few casual laughs.

I was khhv untill 23.5yo, ~2years ago. Mostly because I was uglier in the past combined with some struggles from an abusive household.

This was me at 17yo, second guy from the right. Most of my childhood I also wore glasses which didn't help.

But kinda grew into my looks I guess.

Lol on this pic you look kinda like a slayer light

 

[Deleted member 7076]

you literally mog salludon

you have better eyebrows than @16tyo

one of the best eye areas on this site tbh

im indeed mirin this absolute specimen

View attachment 1089395

mogs me

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Op you should approach girls who give you iois , you’d have much higher success rate

 

[JosephGarrot123]

how is a chadlite like you on this forum smh chads me

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

hair is hit or miss tbh, I don't think my old short hairstyles are better. I didn't do better with shorter hairstyles with women, in fact the opposite.

Long:

Short:

View attachment 1089368

Yes, the shorter hairstyles don't suit you at all, but the longer ones are pretty bad as well.

This hairstyle was the best, but im not sure based on just one pic.

 

[Deleted member 275]

I don't understand how you're not slaying, I'd say me and you are looks matched and I have no problem getting ONS, although my standards aren't atoo high, I can have sex with cute foids but If I'm horny I'll just fuck a 2/10 and not deal with the bullshit of a high SMV girl. You sound a bit low T? do you have a strong sex drive

Maybe you're too casual when it comes to convos, Men are always the chaser, girls don't chase not even for chad they just make it known that they're into you and then you escalate. Maybe you don't know how to read women?

You're good looking, You should have foids into you. Have you tried hanging out around Rock/Metal groups? you have that metalhead look that alt girls like.

I have low T behavior I guess, but my hormone levels were very good. I had them checked and had top 10% T levels for my age natty. 900something ng/dl. But mentally I am depressed and low T in the brain.

But like I am stating here i dont have girls into me and slaying is impossible so idk cant relate to ur post ngl.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Lol on this pic you look kinda like a slayer light

i am below avg in this pic, girls were disgusted by me at this age. def not slayer.

I have non-NT hairstyle I agree with you. It's NT to have short sides, long on top, etc. I have pics with that hairstyle here too but its failo with nw3 so i need ht first.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Op you should approach girls who give you iois , you’d have much higher success rate

I agree that its counter productive with large rates of failure like this. But getting ioi's from women is extremely rare, relying on that would be even less succesfull tbh.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

I agree that its counter productive with large rates of failure like this. But getting ioi's from women is extremely rare, relying on that would be even less succesfull tbh.

Man Netherlands is brutal, you mog me and I usually talk to girls at social events who give me iois and get good response/numbers/make outs/even hookups... and I get iois all the time even during the day

I guess 6 feet is tall where I live but short in Netherlands or bcz European women are less into hookups

 

[Deleted member 275]

how is a chadlite like you on this forum smh chads me

PSL3 looksmaxed to 4.5 that was khhv at 23yo seems like i belong tbh

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yes, the shorter hairstyles don't suit you at all, but the longer ones are pretty bad as well.

View attachment 1089496 This hairstyle was the best, but im not sure based on just one pic.

all from the similar time, similar hairlength.

idk sometimes it looked good, sometimes it didnt. Some say short looks better, some say long looks better. I think its just a coinflip and personal preference.

 

[ReignsChad]

You look like Daniel Clark. Cut your hair tho

 

[Deleted member 275]

Man Netherlands is brutal, you mog me and I usually talk to girls at social events who give me iois and get good response/numbers/make outs/even hookups... and I get iois all the time even during the day

I guess 6 feet is tall where I live but short in Netherlands or bcz European women are less into hookups

United States?

I talk to girls at social events sometimes in a funny/casual way but never get ioi's or good responses. Too many times look at with disgust like described in OP.

Tbh at this point, I am not going to lie, I am quite disillusioned by women and the way they have treated me. And I tend to avoid socializing with them at this point since I don't expect anything positive to come out of it.

Brutal, will have to reprogram my mind also while looksmaxing tbh.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

United States?

I talk to girls at social events sometimes in a funny/casual way but never get ioi's or good responses. Too many times look at with disgust like described in OP.

Tbh at this point, I am not going to lie, I am quite disillusioned by women and the way they have treated me. And I tend to avoid socializing with them at this point since I don't expect anything positive to come out of it.

Brutal, will have to reprogram my mind also while looksmaxing tbh.

Canada
I’m above average height here and I’m 6’

Also like I said lose bloat, I get less iois when bloated

But yea you need to reprogram your mind, I also grew up ugly and bloated with acne so I feel ya, I feel like I could’ve gotten more girls if I grew up good looking.

I’m only introvert in my family bcz i grew up with too much acne

 

[Cali Yuga]

I don't understand how you're not slaying, I'd say me and you are looks matched and I have no problem getting ONS, although my standards aren't atoo high, I can have sex with cute foids but If I'm horny I'll just fuck a 2/10 and not deal with the bullshit of a high SMV girl. You sound a bit low T? do you have a strong sex drive

Maybe you're too casual when it comes to convos, Men are always the chaser, girls don't chase not even for chad they just make it known that they're into you and then you escalate. Maybe you don't know how to read women?

You're good looking, You should have foids into you. Have you tried hanging out around Rock/Metal groups? you have that metalhead look that alt girls like.

depending on location this guys looksmatch could run the gamut of success from slaying women -1 point to looksmatched to being lucky to fuck fat girls off tinder

there are places cursed enough for this, trust me

 

[Cali Yuga]

Canada
I’m above average height here and I’m 6’

Also like I said lose bloat, I get less iois when bloated

But yea you need to reprogram your mind, I also grew up ugly and bloated with acne so I feel ya, I feel like I could’ve gotten more girls if I grew up good looking.

I’m only introvert in my family bcz i grew up with too much acne

introverted is death sentence (if you arent memeing and youre actually on the extreme end of this personality trait)

serious introverts dont develop along the same line as normies/extroverts in that small decision/tendencies/etc. cause you to diverge and you miss out on the snowball effect of social skill development required to be successful with women and belong to social circles which include women and other men who are successful with women

theres no way to redo this, you just have to accept the fact that youre way behind other people

its like if you dropped out of middle school and didnt realize it was a mistake until you were 25 working at walkmart

you can sort of try to catch up but its going to be giga difficult and even when you get there youre introvertedness wont actually change and your discomfort with/distaste for normie social interaction (all women are normies btw, no exceptions) will just be concatenated with a newfound resentment towards women and normies for forcing you to do a bunch of work just to get an annoying gf who tries to talk to you about ru pauls drag race and her retarded friends all the time and a few normie friends who suck too

if its not an inherent personality trait and just vestigial self consciousness from acne idk what to tell you, just b yourself and go up and talk to her i guess

 

[john2]

Mirin your aesthetics, slayer.

 

[Deleted member 275]

introverted is death sentence (if you arent memeing and youre actually on the extreme end of this personality trait)

serious introverts dont develop along the same line as normies/extroverts in that small decision/tendencies/etc. cause you to diverge and you miss out on the snowball effect of social skill development required to be successful with women and belong to social circles which include women and other men who are successful with women

theres no way to redo this, you just have to accept the fact that youre way behind other people

its like if you dropped out of middle school and didnt realize it was a mistake until you were 25 working at walkmart

you can sort of try to catch up but its going to be giga difficult and even when you get there youre introvertedness wont actually change and your discomfort with/distaste for normie social interaction (all women are normies btw, no exceptions) will just be concatenated with a newfound resentment towards women and normies for forcing you to do a bunch of work just to get an annoying gf who tries to talk to you about ru pauls drag race and her retarded friends all the time and a few normie friends who suck too

if its not an inherent personality trait and just vestigial self consciousness from acne idk what to tell you, just b yourself and go up and talk to her i guess

Brutal, but truth here.

I think it's similar to what a lot of people here say with 'missing out on teenage love' with how you miss out on key, critical parts of social development in your youth which makes you uncomfortable with normie social interaction.

I was KHHV at 23yo, I think I qualify as having missed out on some key critical milestones along the way lol. I have 0 doubt that it shows in my interaction with women, although I think it's not completely over.


Weird thing for me personally is that I was very extroverted as a kid. I remember teachers complaining about me being a very 'dominant' kid. Although I think partly that was because I was a very ugly kid, fat, lazy eye, glasses, etc. I tended to get into conflicts with other kids a lot in that time, but also got a lot of respect from others.

I had some struggles during my high school puberty and that made me develop into having this abused dog personality tbh. I get 0 energy from socialization anymore, only costing me energy now. My brain got fucked over.

Half the year that I had a gf, it felt like a job to me. I remember feeling relief when she would leave because I felt I no longer had to 'work' and could just do whatever I wanted.

 

[Adriana Lima]

damm wtf that's close to how I imagined you would look

 

[Deleted member 275]

damm wtf that's close to how I imagined you would look

Love you Adriana Lima

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Looks:

Context: Parties, Clubbing, Festivals, Bars, Concerts.

I never start the conversation sexually, but just strike up convo about some random topic in the moment, something about the music, about a drink theyre having, how the bar looks, etc.
I always strike up convo in a casual way, never sexually right at the start unless it's about someone elses sexuality, etc u know


40% of the time: Look of disgust or of being annoyed by me presence and interaction. Generally don't even respond to me, just turn their backs towards me and ignore me.

40% of the time: They listen to what I have to say, but answer in few words and show little interest in keeping up a conversation. The vibe is: 'I am just answering this guy's questions, I hope he goes away soon' in my mind.

20% of the time: Girl responds back in a friendly way and seems to like the social interaction. The conversation/interaction usual stays somewhat casual/friendly, I struggle with turning interactions like this into sexual/flirty interactions since they are so rare anyways tbh. I guess this is where social skill/diference/self-esteem/confidence can make a difference but idk. Generally we have a few laughs and just go our own ways again.

In the end it's just 20% of female interactions that end up somewhat positively. So at an average social event I usually don't even have a single positive interaction with a woman, but negative interactions are common.


Are these somewhat normal percentages/interactions with women my age for a guy my lookslevel (~4.5PSL or something)?

Idk just dont see the point in approaching and even interacting with women at all if only 20% of interactions are going to be positive at my lookslevel. Seems like wasted effort if I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

Talk about your pets and show pictures of your family. Tell em about how much you respect women.

 

[Deleted member 4562]

What country is this btw? You look average/above average, hair failos pretty hard, also looks like you could lose a bit of weight.

Doomed for non-chads tbh.

EDIT:

Also if you weren't slaying in these two pics

It's fucking over for the rest of us, you look the best in these two IMO, chadlite~ though you could probably use a little muscle and do need a hair transplant, are you on finasteride or any hair protocol?