My experiences with striking up casual conversation with girls at social events.

[Cali Yuga]

Half the year that I had a gf, it felt like a job to me. I remember feeling relief when she would leave because I felt I no longer had to 'work' and could just do whatever I wanted.

relate to this tbh

 

[Deleted member 275]

What country is this btw? You look average/above average, hair failos pretty hard, also looks like you could lose a bit of weight.

Doomed for non-chads tbh.

EDIT:

Also if you weren't slaying in these two pics

It's fucking over for the rest of us, you look the best in these two IMO, chadlite~ though you could probably use a little muscle and do need a hair transplant, are you on finasteride or any hair protocol?

Agree with the weightloss. Its been tough this corona year cuz demotivating with gyms closed, but should pickup dieting again tbh.
Netherlands.

Those pics came out well I agree but wasnt slaying in either. I am on finasteride to prevent further hairloss, but it wont regrow hair Ive never had so need HT tbh.

I think most would agree all I need is HT + gym and getting lean. + fixing mental issues.

But anyways point of this topic was whether this is expected behavior of women in social situations or if theres something fucking wrong somewhere something. Cuz this is basically normal for me what I described here, so if apparantly people dont experience this constant social rejection from women maybe I am just fucked socially/mentally idk tbh.

Despite being somewhat decent looking, I find it hard to socialize with women whatsoever in a positive way.

 

[Cigarette]

hey i like your drink

 

[Deleted member 275]

relate to this tbh

It had it's fun chilled moments dont get me wrong it wasnt all bad. I remember also that often I would look forward to meeting her, fucking her, etc. But then when I would actually arrive at her place my vibe/mood would be dead and sorta unenthusiastic.

 

[Deleted member 4562]

I think most would agree all I need is HT + gym and getting lean. + fixing mental issues.

Yeah, maybe minoxxmaxxing for a beard but without low body fat percetnage to see jaw it might be a waste of time if you have a good one

But anyways point of this topic was whether this is expected behavior of women in social situations or if theres something fucking wrong somewhere something. Cuz this is basically normal for me what I described here, so if apparantly people dont experience this constant social rejection from women maybe I am just fucked socially/mentally idk tbh.

I've never had someone just look away or ignore me jfl but most of the time it's disinterested conversations where the other person tends to be nice, idk what country you live in but I heard parts of europe are way colder to people so maybe that is it.

How do you do on tinder/bumble/yubo etc?

 

[Beetlejuice]

Cool it's a struggle to even get positive interactions with these looksmatched girls, let alone date/ltr or fuck them lol. Part of life I guess, just gotta keep going and try to make that 20% into something more than just a few casual laughs.

I was khhv untill 23.5yo, ~2years ago. Mostly because I was uglier in the past combined with some struggles from an abusive household.

This was me at 17yo, second guy from the right. Most of my childhood I also wore glasses which didn't help.

But kinda grew into my looks I guess.

damn,those guys are incel as fuck

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yeah, maybe minoxxmaxxing for a beard but without low body fat percetnage to see jaw it might be a waste of time if you have a good one

I've never had someone just look away or ignore me jfl but most of the time it's disinterested conversations where the other person tends to be nice, idk what country you live in but I heard parts of europe are way colder to people so maybe that is it.

I used to be almost 15kg lighter. 82kg at my lightest, 95kg now jfl. I eat a lot of food as a cope to feel good, dopamine, get rid of depression. Terrible for looks ofc.

I think this was when I was at my leanest I've ever been. Jaw seems about average, bit narrow tbh.

Hmm interesting you've never experienced being ignored or laughed at in your face on a regular basis. I have that a decent amount of the time when I approach girls in a club/bar/social environment.
mhm

 

[Deleted member 275]

damn,those guys are incel as fuck

They were all virgins when we graduated high school age 18. half of them I stayed in contact with and they were all still virgins at age 22.

So yeah ur right yeah 1 of those guys trannymaxxed too, mightve ascended idk

 

[owlofathena]

Mentalcel

 

[Deleted member 275]

Mentalcel

This is how I go to the gym and to social events btw

 

[owlofathena]

This is how I go to the gym and to social events btw

You look good man your clearly a mentalcel jfl but your hairstyle is terrible and moustache

 

[Deleted member 275]

You look good man your clearly a mentalcel jfl but your hairstyle is terrible and moustache

You don't like my mustache? wtf


I agree btw, but like I said no hairstyle looks good on me, I stopped going to hairdressers because I would always walk out uglier than I walked in, in my view. Maybe its part of mentalceldom ngl.

 

[TITUS]

WE ARE DOOMED.

Just thinking about interacting with women gets me tired.

 

[Deleted member 275]

WE ARE DOOMED.

Just thinking about interacting with women gets me tired.

A lot of time that i dont approach isn't because i fear rejection. Its because i expect rejection so i don't see the point in trying.

Its like u say, makes you tired, interested. Nothing good can come of it

 

[TITUS]

Seen your photos and you need to gymmax. It is a journey, go overboard with it, take a scale, measure yourself everyday first thing in the morning, measure macros, weight what you eat, do the chicken/rice diet, hit the gym and write down everything you workout, put it all in an excell, in few months you will have a much better understanding on how your body works, what food makes you feel good or drains you up, what bloats you, gives you stomach acidity, etc. and hopefully you will have lost a bunch of fat and gained a bunch of muscle. Start today.

Im also on minox for both hair and beard, needling once a week with 1,5mm. You should try it, it's a couple minutes a day, minox is cheap.

Biceps popping out of tight clothing adds points for most women, it would suit your with that hairstyle too, the aquaman look. The good thing about gym is that even if you are non NT women won't care much, because the macho type is not thought to be specially talkative or bright, which is even better when you IQmog her.

And now about interactions:
Could it be that you sound non NT? Or there is something wrong with the way you express yourself? Are you starting too high IQ conversations for women or they dont understand your humour? Do you have a masculine voice? Maybe you are short for your country?
Why are you awake so late at night?
Maybe you should try some social drugs. I know i go from introvert to extrovert when im on a bit of alcohol and weed, problem for me is i may overdo it, joke with the waiters, get into a too elevated energy level and whatnot, but it certainly helps, you go from avoiding interactions to looking for them.

A lot of time that i dont approach isn't because i fear rejection. Its because i expect rejection so i don't see the point in trying.

Its like u say, makes you tired, interested. Nothing good can come of it

Yeah, but it makes me tired even if im successful, women are a huge drain of time, money and energy. Slays are only for chads who don't have to invest anything into it, for normal people the effort is not worthed, unless you got no standards and don't mind fucking ogrettes.
If i can't see myself with her for the rest of my life i don't even bother, don't have time for slaying (not that i could), or months/years LTRs.

You don't like my mustache? wtf


I agree btw, but like I said no hairstyle looks good on me, I stopped going to hairdressers because I would always walk out uglier than I walked in, in my view. Maybe its part of mentalceldom ngl.

I have a set of pictures just like that, with the Hitler trim.
I also started cutting the hair myself since " I would always walk out uglier than I walked", besides making an appointment for a certain hour and always having to wait, i don't know if its the same with the hair saloons in your country. I just shave it or trim it short a couple times a year and let it grow, sometimes a friend of mine insists in cutting my hair and i let him do it, he's balding and mirin.
I think we are both of the same mentalcel type. I also felt great relief when my gf and i broke and i didn't have to invest time in her anymore.

 

[Deleted member 4562]

Hmm interesting you've never experienced being ignored or laughed at in your face on a regular basis. I have that a decent amount of the time when I approach girls in a club/bar/social environment.

Nah man, they usually just smile and give a half ass reply, no one is brutal like I've heard they are in EU, cold ass place over there. You don't need much to be fully softmaxxed, and there aren't any hardmaxxes you need to do tbh.

Maybe NTmaxx and if that doesn't work, consider relocationmaxxing. A dude like you would slay hard in my area no doubt about it tbh.

 

[RICO]

Mirin gaymaxxing.

BRO-Maxing is actually a good strategy. If you can get in with these guys, they may have access to a social circle of girls. BroMaxing works.

 

[Cali Yuga]

Seen your photos and you need to gymmax. It is a journey, go overboard with it, take a scale, measure yourself everyday first thing in the morning, measure macros, weight what you eat, do the chicken/rice diet, hit the gym and write down everything you workout, put it all in an excell, in few months you will have a much better understanding on how your body works, what food makes you feel good or drains you up, what bloats you, gives you stomach acidity, etc. and hopefully you will have lost a bunch of fat and gained a bunch of muscle. Start today.

Im also on minox for both hair and beard, needling once a week with 1,5mm. You should try it, it's a couple minutes a day, minox is cheap.

Biceps popping out of tight clothing adds points for most women, it would suit your with that hairstyle too, the aquaman look. The good thing about gym is that even if you are non NT women won't care much, because the macho type is not thought to be specially talkative or bright, which is even better when you IQmog her.

And now about interactions:
Could it be that you sound non NT? Or there is something wrong with the way you express yourself? Are you starting too high IQ conversations for women or they dont understand your humour? Do you have a masculine voice? Maybe you are short for your country?
Why are you awake so late at night?
Maybe you should try some social drugs. I know i go from introvert to extrovert when im on a bit of alcohol and weed, problem for me is i may overdo it, joke with the waiters, get into a too elevated energy level and whatnot, but it certainly helps, you go from avoiding interactions to looking for them.


Yeah, but it makes me tired even if im successful, women are a huge drain of time, money and energy. Slays are only for chads who don't have to invest anything into it, for normal people the effort is not worthed, unless you got no standards and don't mind fucking ogrettes.
If i can't see myself with her for the rest of my life i don't even bother, don't have time for slaying (not that i could), or months/years LTRs.


I have a set of pictures just like that, with the Hitler trim.
I also started cutting the hair myself since " I would always walk out uglier than I walked", besides making an appointment for a certain hour and always having to wait, i don't know if its the same with the hair saloons in your country. I just shave it or trim it short a couple times a year and let it grow, sometimes a friend of mine insists in cutting my hair and i let him do it, he's balding and mirin.
I think we are both of the same mentalcel type. I also felt great relief when my gf and i broke and i didn't have to invest time in her anymore.

gymcelling will help him get laid and raise his social status but becoming an NT normie once youre to the point where youre poasting on looksmax forums is high dif even for the most dedicated and motivated

slaying really isnt that great anyways, we're all of us contemporary men doomed to live in a time of dissatisfaction and degeneration. Best to accept it and live accordingly.

 

[Blue]

Cool it's a struggle to even get positive interactions with these looksmatched girls, let alone date/ltr or fuck them lol. Part of life I guess, just gotta keep going and try to make that 20% into something more than just a few casual laughs.

I was khhv untill 23.5yo, ~2years ago. Mostly because I was uglier in the past combined with some struggles from an abusive household.

This was me at 17yo, second guy from the right. Most of my childhood I also wore glasses which didn't help.

But kinda grew into my looks I guess.

Dude, are the other guys in this pic in any way representative of the average Dutch guy? If yes, even before looksmaxxing with acne and bad collagen you clearly mogged them, can't imagine how it's now in your mid 20s when other guys usually start gaining weight and are norwooding hard.

 

[Deleted member 5809]

Forget what these low iq autists are saying. You can fix brain chemistry in 1-2 months. Add me on discord

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Looks:

Context: Parties, Clubbing, Festivals, Bars, Concerts.

I never start the conversation sexually, but just strike up convo about some random topic in the moment, something about the music, about a drink theyre having, how the bar looks, etc.
I always strike up convo in a casual way, never sexually right at the start unless it's about someone elses sexuality, etc u know


40% of the time: Look of disgust or of being annoyed by me presence and interaction. Generally don't even respond to me, just turn their backs towards me and ignore me.

40% of the time: They listen to what I have to say, but answer in few words and show little interest in keeping up a conversation. The vibe is: 'I am just answering this guy's questions, I hope he goes away soon' in my mind.

20% of the time: Girl responds back in a friendly way and seems to like the social interaction. The conversation/interaction usual stays somewhat casual/friendly, I struggle with turning interactions like this into sexual/flirty interactions since they are so rare anyways tbh. I guess this is where social skill/diference/self-esteem/confidence can make a difference but idk. Generally we have a few laughs and just go our own ways again.

In the end it's just 20% of female interactions that end up somewhat positively. So at an average social event I usually don't even have a single positive interaction with a woman, but negative interactions are common.


Are these somewhat normal percentages/interactions with women my age for a guy my lookslevel (~4.5PSL or something)?

Idk just dont see the point in approaching and even interacting with women at all if only 20% of interactions are going to be positive at my lookslevel. Seems like wasted effort if I can just chat with guys instead and easily get 50+% of positive responses instead. Guys seem to be pretty chilled in general.

Interacting with women just doesnt seem like worth the time effort at all

Man your es ratio looks good tbh, idk why it is so bad considering you are white. Do you see diffrence in race when you talk to women. Like asians for example?

 

[Lihito]

mogs me to the moon and back. how tall were you again? you're one of the few people on this site that doesn't look aspie in pictures (or irl). try working on your aura, forget looksmaxxing.

Facts

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Man your es ratio looks good tbh, idk why it is so bad considering you are white. Do you see diffrence in race when you talk to women. Like asians for example?

Why the disgust fool @Enterprise Toast

 

[Deleted member 5809]

Why the disgust fool @Enterprise Toast

racemixing is a spiritual crime

 

[Deleted member 10913]

racemixing is a spiritual crime

Man whatever, i ask if there is a diffrence in outcome idc about your stalingrad wet dreams

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Never initiate anything with a woman unless you're sure she already wants to suck your dick and have your babies.

That means either

1) look way better than her, so she automatically wants to, or
2) don't make a move until some other factor than looks makes her want to suck your dick and have your babies, for instance social status

An example on the latter would be, you're at a party and some new girls come in. Instead of walking up and being like "HEY ! I'm Syebevoli but you can call me voli for short xD", you flexx that you're popular and well liked, for instance via talking to friends and appearing high status. Preferably, you manage to reject her without doing so explicitly, for instance by ignoring her, showing disinterest when she talks etc. Just to build up some sort of attraction, make her fight for it.

Obviously if you're too ugly for em then its over no matter what.

 

[Deleted member 8576]

ok tyrone

 

[Deleted member 275]

Seen your photos and you need to gymmax. It is a journey, go overboard with it, take a scale, measure yourself everyday first thing in the morning, measure macros, weight what you eat, do the chicken/rice diet, hit the gym and write down everything you workout, put it all in an excell, in few months you will have a much better understanding on how your body works, what food makes you feel good or drains you up, what bloats you, gives you stomach acidity, etc. and hopefully you will have lost a bunch of fat and gained a bunch of muscle. Start today.

Im also on minox for both hair and beard, needling once a week with 1,5mm. You should try it, it's a couple minutes a day, minox is cheap.

Biceps popping out of tight clothing adds points for most women, it would suit your with that hairstyle too, the aquaman look. The good thing about gym is that even if you are non NT women won't care much, because the macho type is not thought to be specially talkative or bright, which is even better when you IQmog her.

And now about interactions:
Could it be that you sound non NT? Or there is something wrong with the way you express yourself? Are you starting too high IQ conversations for women or they dont understand your humour? Do you have a masculine voice? Maybe you are short for your country?
Why are you awake so late at night?
Maybe you should try some social drugs. I know i go from introvert to extrovert when im on a bit of alcohol and weed, problem for me is i may overdo it, joke with the waiters, get into a too elevated energy level and whatnot, but it certainly helps, you go from avoiding interactions to looking for them.


Yeah, but it makes me tired even if im successful, women are a huge drain of time, money and energy. Slays are only for chads who don't have to invest anything into it, for normal people the effort is not worthed, unless you got no standards and don't mind fucking ogrettes.
If i can't see myself with her for the rest of my life i don't even bother, don't have time for slaying (not that i could), or months/years LTRs.


I have a set of pictures just like that, with the Hitler trim.
I also started cutting the hair myself since " I would always walk out uglier than I walked", besides making an appointment for a certain hour and always having to wait, i don't know if its the same with the hair saloons in your country. I just shave it or trim it short a couple times a year and let it grow, sometimes a friend of mine insists in cutting my hair and i let him do it, he's balding and mirin.
I think we are both of the same mentalcel type. I also felt great relief when my gf and i broke and i didn't have to invest time in her anymore.

Minox wont regrow my hairline tho, so I don't think it's worth it for that. I need HT for that. Minoxbeard has always sounded appealing but I think I have 'oke/decent' facial hair so not sure if worth.

I agree with not being talkative part. In most interactions with women I find that not being too talkative works the best. So yeah I prob sound a bit non-NT / autist. Bit weird humor, I have 128 tested IQ and study physics so I can only assume my avg convo is a bit high IQ/weird. Voice is good, height is average.

Cant sleep bro. I agree with you that slaying isnt worth it for average people, unless it falls into your lap you know. You could be at a festival, girl shows heavy ioi's, oke boom thats an easy one. But approaching and trying to force it somewhere is incredibly tiring.

Frankly I don't even enjoy sex all that much. I find it very performance heavy, feeling like I get judged for what I do and how I perform. Either cumming too fast or not at all JFL. So yeah LTRs have limited use not gonna lie. Mentalceldom is def real

 

[Deleted member 275]

Dude, are the other guys in this pic in any way representative of the average Dutch guy? If yes, even before looksmaxxing with acne and bad collagen you clearly mogged them, can't imagine how it's now in your mid 20s when other guys usually start gaining weight and are norwooding hard.

No.. Those other guys were ugly nerd outcasts like me that I vibed with somewhat. Def not avg dutch guy.

 

[Deleted member 6873]

guys he is actually lying to stop all competition, i saw him yesterday getting reverse gangbanged by 25 models

 

[lutte]

I used to be almost 15kg lighter. 82kg at my lightest, 95kg now jfl. I eat a lot of food as a cope to feel good, dopamine, get rid of depression. Terrible for looks ofc.

I think this was when I was at my leanest I've ever been. Jaw seems about average, bit narrow tbh.

Hmm interesting you've never experienced being ignored or laughed at in your face on a regular basis. I have that a decent amount of the time when I approach girls in a club/bar/social environment.
mhm

you're jutting in these pics right

 

[Deleted member 6873]

you're jutting in these pics right

no

 

[Deleted member 275]

you're jutting in these pics right

no

i dont jut, i do squint a bit in some photos

 

[Deleted member 275]

At the job I work I was talking to a 19yo guy there. First time I've seen him and worked with him. He thought I was chilled and suggested smoking some blunts after work. I refused since I was tired asf tbh.

But it's what I mean, how you can easily have chilled interactions with guys like this. But with girls they would never suggest doing anything after work or after school tbh.

Theres this 45 yo milf I was teasing sexually at my job and I was joking with her that we should chill in a sauna and drink wine together jfl. Didnt slay.

 

[R@m@]

hair is hit or miss tbh, I don't think my old short hairstyles are better. I didn't do better with shorter hairstyles with women, in fact the opposite.

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