My first cycle takeaways

[bddcoper]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

 

[Finalkiosk]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

idk brotha

after my first cycle my midsection got a fuck ton leaner, so did my legs

the "redistribution" in my case was just getting leaner everywhere and more vascular

tbf i was running test tren gh as my first cycle so the midsection leaning effects are mostly from trens glucocorticoid receptor inihibition, which happen to be the most dense in your midsection

i couldve replaced the tren with 50mg var daily to achieve similiar glucocorticoid receptor inhib but i wanted to try tren


if you do 500 test and pin daily, unless your fat asf your unlikely to spike your e2 way above the range

i would just take low dose ralox and take the 500-750mg test if growth plates arent an issue, most people keep talking about how theirs are sealed so it wouldnt even matter if their e2 spikes, if anything its neuroprotective as the dose of test goes up

 

[buttfricker3000]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

Why so scared when putting in the needle just draw back and if u se blood then choose a different area

 

[bddcoper]

Why so scared when putting in the needle just draw back and if u se blood then choose a different area

I know that’s what I do I’m just saying it’s the biggest risk (basically that <400 test only there is minimal risk depending on how much you aromatize). Also I pin with a 30 g needle so it takes forever for the blood to come up so there were times I’ve almost injected into a vein had I not waited an extra few seconds

idk brotha

after my first cycle my midsection got a fuck ton leaner, so did my legs

the "redistribution" in my case was just getting leaner everywhere and more vascular

tbf i was running test tren gh as my first cycle so the midsection leaning effects are mostly from trens glucocorticoid receptor inihibition, which happen to be the most dense in your midsection

i couldve replaced the tren with 50mg var daily to achieve similiar glucocorticoid receptor inhib but i wanted to try tren


if you do 500 test and pin daily, unless your fat asf your unlikely to spike your e2 way above the range

i would just take low dose ralox and take the 500-750mg test if growth plates arent an issue, most people keep talking about how theirs are sealed so it wouldnt even matter if their e2 spikes, if anything its neuroprotective as the dose of test goes up

I also got leaner and more vascular everywhere just not abs unfortunately. I’m sure if I could tolerate var and it wouldn’t spike my e2 my midsection would’ve been mogging like my quads do now

Ralox with 500 test sounds good I’m just too concerned about being watery and aging from the excess androgens though I probably will once I get most of my newbie gains. Future plan is probably 200-250 test with EQ if I can afford bloodwork + something like lgd/hgh to help with bulking then cut with var at the end if I can tolerate it.

 

[connive]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

I started at 250mg and went up to 300mg. Definitely have seen gains the 500 test is unnecessary first cycle..

Good thread

 

[bddcoper]

I started at 250mg and went up to 300mg. Definitely have seen gains the 500 test is unnecessary first cycle..

Good thread

Thx man I started 300 test p and will be lowering to 250 bc I know if I just ate I would make crazy gains

 

[connive]

Thx man I started 300 test p and will be lowering to 250 bc I know if I just ate I would make crazy gains

Yeah, only problem for me is I'm an amphetamine spammer, so it kills my hunger, but I'm on anavar, so we're good.

 

[nbfmyb]

i couldve replaced the tren with 50mg var daily to achieve similiar glucocorticoid receptor inhib but i wanted to try tren

how much tren were you using

 

[Finalkiosk]

I know that’s what I do I’m just saying it’s the biggest risk (basically that <400 test only there is minimal risk depending on how much you aromatize). Also I pin with a 30 g needle so it takes forever for the blood to come up so there were times I’ve almost injected into a vein had I not waited an extra few seconds


I also got leaner and more vascular everywhere just not abs unfortunately. I’m sure if I could tolerate var and it wouldn’t spike my e2 my midsection would’ve been mogging like my quads do now

Ralox with 500 test sounds good I’m just too concerned about being watery and aging from the excess androgens though I probably will once I get most of my newbie gains. Future plan is probably 200-250 test with EQ if I can afford bloodwork + something like lgd/hgh to help with bulking then cut with var at the end if I can tolerate it.

spike your e2?

brotha they sold you dbol not var

var is beautiful, ive done 50mg test 50mg var daily cycles and that shit is like heaven

only noticeable bloodwork change is ldl and hdl obviously, but i can eat more shitty than i naturally want to, and still get leaner harder and more vascular

you could try tren microdose, like 10mg tren ace eod, or 20mg tren e twice a week, just remember ace has more tren per mg due to ester weight

 

[TajManzoor]

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

Tbh if your not a complete and utter retard th chance of doing this and getting an air embolism is in the 1/100ks

 

[lm1295]

how much hgh did you run first cycle

 

[Finalkiosk]

how much tren were you using

25-70mg weekly,
sometimes i do 10mg tren e three times a week
sometimes 10mg ace every morning

any amount of tren above 20mg is noticeable, you get stronger harder and more vascular and i can eat like fucking shit

 

[Finalkiosk]

Tbh if your not a complete and utter retard th chance of doing this and getting an air embolism is in the 1/100ks

wait till you do your first cycle, your gonna be so vascular youl notice how risky it was all along

 

[bddcoper]

how much hgh did you run first cycle

3 IUs. Wanted to do 4 but still adjusting to the bloat so might up it to that during PCT

 

[ghost!]

i thought that 500 test had the same sides as 250

 

[Finalkiosk]

i thought that 500 test had the same sides as 250

i cant tell if this is satire or not

 

[bddcoper]

i thought that 500 test had the same sides as 250

no you will probably get high e2 on 500 test. obviously better gains on 500 but dont trust anyone on reddit and other forums that recommends 500 test first cycle if you dont want to be an aged ugly bloated ogre

 

[ghost!]

no you will probably get high e2 on 500 test. obviously better gains on 500 but dont trust anyone on reddit and other forums that recommends 500 test first cycle if you dont want to be an aged ugly bloated ogre

most people on here say 500

 

[lm1295]

3 IUs. Wanted to do 4 but still adjusting to the bloat so might up it to that during PCT

Have you found hgh to truly be worth it? I am debating doing 2-3iu along with my first cycle of 300test and dutasteride. But I am hearing so many conflicting anecdotes online about how useful/useless it is.

 

[nexialistㅤ]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

thats a cycle for gym not for face aesthetics

 

[sherry12]

1. Don’t run steroids other than test and always run low dose GH for your 1st cycle
I don’t care if you have liver support or ancillaries you should only be running test and GH for your first cycle. No Anavar and no secondaries

2. You will see fat redistribution
Your face legs and arms will become leaner but your torso will become fatter. Anyone online who claims they naturally store fat in their chest and abdominal region while having shredded arms and legs is more than likely on something

3. Don’t use compounds other than how they are commonly used
I know I said only test and GH for your first cycle but I tried var for a lean bulk and it’s simply not worth it. It shines on a cut because of how anticatabolic it is and I wish I used something like lgd or an actual bulking compound instead (assuming I had still chosen to use a 3rd compound). Though I dont think I’ll be buying any more orals as I don’t respond well to them (extreme fatigue and nuked shbg while on them)

4. 250-400 test is enough
People recommend 500 test for a first cycle it’s like no shit the gains will be linearly better just enjoy the shit sides of aromasin from its metabolites (even assuming perfect dosing and e2 levels) and the water retention. Most of you guys haven’t been in the gym for 2 years to be needing 500 test you will make noticeable gains as long as you eat enough. Even for me I made very noticeable gains after 20 weeks of bulking out of the past 30 while only using actual roids for 10 of those 20 weeks as I’m still a beginner (only been training for 1.5 years with only the past 6 months being serious with good form/regimen)

5. It’s never just 1 cycle
While test alone is very unlikely to harm your health long term especially at only 200-300 mg weekly given proper ancillaries, it’s very unlikely you will go off completely. For me I more than likely (95% chance) won’t abuse compounds like tren or mast or primo or certain orals like many gymcels do but I’m very tempted to just be on test for life. The most tempting thing is adding EQ as a secondary or trying sarms but I feel like this addiction does depend on how your PCT goes and how much of your gains you keep though I’m mostly concerned about keeping the extra facial angularity I got from being able to maintain such leanness so effortlessly on cycle. Though you will most likely get addicted to the results and want to hop back on even if it’s at a cruise dose

6. The riskiest part about hopping on is injecting into a vein
I got pretty much no acne anywhere on cycle which was the side effect I feared most. The riskiest part about doing test is injecting into a vein

7. Forget GH secretagogues
They do nothing but fry your pituitary gland. Even with GHRHs and GHRPs you still rely on the feedback loop so why would you just not bypass it with real GH? Plus the price difference is minimal and GH might even be cheaper per IU [of GH you produce] so you might as well just use it instead

I have some more takeaways but I’m too lazy to write them as I don’t think people will care enough to read this thread in full anyway

2 is interesting to hear, did you notice any facial fat redistribution?

 

[TajManzoor]

wait till you do your first cycle, your gonna be so vascular youl notice how risky it was all along

I’m on cycle, it’s not risky you can always pull back to make sure you haven’t hit a vein

 

[bddcoper]

most people on here say 500

they can do 500 i just personally wouldn't. maybe with some EQ, 2.5 mg dut daily, and some topical AA i'd think about it but i'd be 5x-ing my cycle cost because i'd also need bloodwork + i'd also be further ruining my health with the amount of ancillaries i need so it's just not worth it for me.

steroids are tool and a long term game anyway so i'd rather stick to 250-350 mg with minimal ancillaries than jump to 500 and do all that when i still have beginner gains on the table

 

[lm1295]

thats a cycle for gym not for face aesthetics

How, from what I read if you want to have good face aesthetics on cycle then use test only and low dose hgh. no other compounds and no high test which is what this is. the addition of dutasteride would have sealed everything nicely but that's it.

 

[Finalkiosk]

I’m on cycle, it’s not risky you can always pull back to make sure you haven’t hit a vein

then your probably fat idk

 

[TajManzoor]

then your probably fat idk

Wouldn’t being fat make it more risky, because you can’t see where your injecting

 

[Finalkiosk]

they can do 500 i just personally wouldn't. maybe with some EQ, 2.5 mg dut daily, and some topical AA i'd think about it but i'd be 5x-ing my cycle cost because i'd also need bloodwork + i'd also be further ruining my health with the amount of ancillaries i need so it's just not worth it for me.

steroids are tool and a long term game anyway so i'd rather stick to 250-350 mg with minimal ancillaries than jump to 500 and do all that when i still have beginner gains on the table

350 a week with some var, maybe 25mg 5x a week

 

[bddcoper]

2 is interesting to hear, did you notice any facial fat redistribution?

yes though its hard to say if i would've lost fat in my face had i not used test. i'd say no to be honest because my cheeks are noticeably more hollow even in shadowless lighting. also the fact that it ramps up your metabolism makes it much easier to get lean anyway

 

[Finalkiosk]

Wouldn’t being fat make it more risky, because you can’t see where your injecting

no, you would have a bunch of fat area instead of veins

after my first cycle i had passive veins everywhere i could inject, theres veins in the spots that used to have enough fat for a 20 unit subq shot

 

[bddcoper]

350 a week with some var, maybe 25mg 5x a week

thats more or less what i tried this time unfortunately i dont tolerate var very well but the gains were nice. hoping its different with other orals but it makes me extremely fatigued and just unhealthy looking. i still take it just 10 mg EOD or so

i think 200-250 test + var is better so you can counteract the nuked shbg by getting lower free test

 

[bddcoper]

thats a cycle for gym not for face aesthetics

how im using the most minimal stuff? the only way around it is having genetically gifted fat insertions/distributions that way you dont need all this

the addition of dutasteride would have sealed everything nicely but that's it.

i use it at 1.25 mg daily just didn't mention it. probably the single most important ancillary

 

[Finalkiosk]

thats more or less what i tried this time unfortunately i dont tolerate var very well but the gains were nice. hoping its different with other orals but it makes me extremely fatigued and just unhealthy looking. i still take it just 10 mg EOD or so

i think 200-250 test + var is better so you can counteract the nuked shbg by getting lower free test

are you sure your var was real?

i have bloodwork of 420mg test/wk and 20mg var daily and my shbg was 19, not fully nuked, my lipids weren't the best but i felt great.

i kinda go for high free test, i feel the best when im running something that lowers shbg alongside test, 10mg winny eod or 20mg var daily works great

 

[bddcoper]

Have you found hgh to truly be worth it? I am debating doing 2-3iu along with my first cycle of 300test and dutasteride. But I am hearing so many conflicting anecdotes online about how useful/useless it is.

you need at least 3 IU if not 4 depending on your age. don't waste your money running below 3

its useful but its a long term game. its not very anabolic but will help you not put on as much fat and generally recomp. will also help you keep more of your gains after your cycle if you take it PCT.

 

[bddcoper]

are you sure your var was real?

i have bloodwork of 420mg test/wk and 20mg var daily and my shbg was 19, not fully nuked, my lipids weren't the best but i felt great.

i kinda go for high free test, i feel the best when im running something that lowers shbg alongside test, 10mg winny eod or 20mg var daily works great

pretty sure its real its from a legit UGL and people online say its real (they got janoshik testing)

i never got bloodwork though given the extra bloating i got and how shit i felt on 20 mg daily (split) for only 10 consecutive days or so i just assumed my shbg was getting fucked or my liver just doesnt like it which explains the fatigue. idt its winny because my joints werent dry (if anything they were more hydrated as i was a 0.5-1 cm taller while on from the extra water between my joints).

its a bit upsetting that it didnt work for me and that i have to dose so low and infrequently to tolerate it since most people can tolerate orals but ill probably finish the rest during my next cycle once i get some ezetimibe

 

[TajManzoor]

no, you would have a bunch of fat area instead of veins

after my first cycle i had passive veins everywhere i could inject, theres veins in the spots that used to have enough fat for a 20 unit subq shot

Your veins are still there what the hell are you on about. If your injecting IM fat mass is irrelevant

 

[Finalkiosk]

Your veins are still there what the hell are you on about. If your injecting IM fat mass is irrelevant

veins are still there, except theres a fuck load of tissue you can hit instead of them, once that tissues gone its either vein or muscle

no, i inject deep subq, never full IM

 

[Finalkiosk]

pretty sure its real its from a legit UGL and people online say its real (they got janoshik testing)

i never got bloodwork though given the extra bloating i got and how shit i felt on 20 mg daily (split) for only 10 consecutive days or so i just assumed my shbg was getting fucked or my liver just doesnt like it which explains the fatigue. idt its winny because my joints werent dry (if anything they were more hydrated as i was a 0.5-1 cm taller while on from the extra water between my joints).

its a bit upsetting that it didnt work for me and that i have to dose so low and infrequently to tolerate it since most people can tolerate orals but ill probably finish the rest during my next cycle once i get some ezetimibe

the only other options for glucocorticoid receptor inhibition you got are halo and tren

you cant run halo for longer than 4 weeks so the obvious choice for you would be some sort of microdose tren to achieve the same glucocorticoid receptor inhib that 10-20mg var daily would give

 

[TajManzoor]

veins are still there, except theres a fuck load of tissue you can hit instead of them, once that tissues gone its either vein or muscle

no, i inject deep subq, never full IM

Point still stands

 

[Finalkiosk]

Point still stands

leave no turn unstoned - blessed express