My hair loss is looking worse than ever

[optimisticzoomer]

2.5 years total on fin. Only consistent dosage for the last 9 months. Couple of months on dutasteride alongside fin. I've been shedding A LOT recently, perhaps due to the dut (but all over, so idk), which possibly makes it look thinner

I don't use minoxidil, but maybe I should consider it. It's that or a transplant. And I already have an area of low density where I had a transplant on a bald spot I was born with, where I'm debating another transplant, and I could maybe ask for them to fix the temple too
@Bitchwhipper2

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Im telling you bro, its dupa.

Just shave your head like a monk and start meditating

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Spike in scalp Test from starting Dut is enough to induce a shed.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Im telling you bro, its dupa.

Just shave your head like a monk and start meditating

That's actually the best advice
Attachment causes suffering. But I'm attached to my hair

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Spike in scalp Test from starting Dut is enough to induce a shed.

If so, my Indian dutaheal tablets worked, cos I shed a few weeks into that, and only like a week into my punctured avodart regimen

If not, they were some shit that caused telogen effluvium

 

[Magnus Ironblood]

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Spike in scalp Test from starting Dut is enough to induce a shed.

Max prestige gaslighting

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

That's actually the best advice
Attachment causes suffering. But I'm attached to my hair

Me too.

But Just let it go. I know a cave we can live in

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Max prestige gaslighting

Do you realise the scalp in scalp Test from Dut vs Fin? ~222% increase in scalp Test from Dut vs ~20% from Fin. Gaslighting my ass. Shed is common as with most hair loss treatments.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

222% increase in scalp Test from Dut vs 22% from Fin. Gaslighting my ass.

Are you actually deadass or still trolling?

The increase in T is just from all the DHT not being converted. Every molecule of non convereted DHT just stays as T giving you a fuckton of T

 

[chadisbeingmade]

The increase in T is just from all the DHT not being converted. Every molecule of non convereted DHT just stays as T giving you a fuckton of T

Exactly. Hence the spike in scalp Test. Hence the shed JFL.

You explained to me why scalp Test spiked.

 

[LooksMaxsterAwesome]

try staring at the sun and drinking raw milk

 

[Tyler1]

You should live a fully raw vegan lifestyle, then you won't lose any more hair.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Exactly. Hence the spike in scalp Test. Hence the shed JFL.

But its not the test causing the shed.

Its the crash of dht allowing the follicles to breathe again allowing them to de-miniturize which then induces a shed, much like whats report with minoxidil.

Thats atleast how I view it

 

[NotaChadyet]

You can't call this thin you ungrateful fuck you are not even nw2

 

[chadisbeingmade]

But its not the test causing the shed.

Its the crash of dht allowing the follicles to breathe again allowing them to de-miniturize which then induces a shed, much like whats report with minoxidil.

Thats atleast how I view it

First off, that would assume that Test plays no part in hair loss, it does, despite the lack of evidence. It’s still androgenic to a degree.

Second of all he said he is losing hair all over. If what you are saying is true that wouldn’t be possible. Hairs on the side and back wouldn’t miniaturise. You cannot unminaturise something that was never miniaturised in the first place (the sides and back), which is what you are trying to say happened, which isn’t possible.

It’s common knowledge that hormonal fluctuations can cause TE, and that’s exactly what happened. Scalp T drastically increased (hormonal fluctuation as far as your hairs concerned) = TE = shedding all over.

Explains everything he said happened. From coincidentally starting after he started Dut (which your idea also explains), to the shedding all over (which yours doesn’t explain).

 

[hayden_sub5]

2.5 years total on fin. Only consistent dosage for the last 9 months. Couple of months on dutasteride alongside fin. I've been shedding A LOT recently, perhaps due to the dut (but all over, so idk), which possibly makes it look thinner
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I don't use minoxidil, but maybe I should consider it. It's that or a transplant. And I already have an area of low density where I had a transplant on a bald spot I was born with, where I'm debating another transplant, and I could maybe ask for them to fix the temple too
@Bitchwhipper2

Yes dutast sheds are not for the faint of heart, also Good stuff you can’t say your hairlines not looking great

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

First off that would assume that Test plays no part in hair loss, it does despite the lack of evidence. It’s still androgenic.

Yes, its still androgenic. But nowhere near the level of DHT. The testosterone thats now testosterone wouldve been DHT anyways with no DUT which would carry a way higher androgenic load

Its like, which would yield more hairloss. 222% testosterone or 222% DHT?

The overall androgenic burden is still higher with DHT

Second of all he said he is losing hair all over. If what you are saying is true that wouldn’t be possible. Hairs on the side and back wouldn’t miniaturise in a typical AGA case.

Yes. Thats why im saying he has dupa (gaslighting probably just TE)

It’s common knowledge that hormonal fluctuations can cause TE, and that’s exactly what happened. Scalp T drastically increased (hormonal fluctuation as far as your hairs concerned) = TE = shedding all over.

Thats likely. But its not exactly AGA

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Yes, its still androgenic. But nowhere near the level of DHT. The testosterone thats now testosterone wouldve been DHT anyways with no DUT which would carry a way higher androgenic load

Its like, which would yield more hairloss. 222% testosterone or 222% DHT?

The overall androgenic burden is still higher with DHT

Of course. When did I ever deny this? I never said he is losing hair due to androgens, I said he is shedding from the start.

Spike in scalp Test from starting Dut is enough to induce a shed.

Yes. Thats why im saying he has dupa (gaslighting probably just TE)

Thats likely. But its not exactly AGA

He doesn’t have dupa. IDK what the point of this discussion was then? We concluded he then shed from Test spike like I said. I didn’t mention AGA.

Spike in scalp Test from starting Dut is enough to induce a shed.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Of course. When did I ever deny this? I didn’t say he is losing hair due to androgens, I said he is shedding from the start.

Verywell. I misunderstood your point then.

IDK what the point of this discussion was then? We concluded he then shed from Test spike like I said. I didn’t mention AGA.

Some people argue that the test spike causes more AGA which is what I got caught up on thinking you thought the same

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Verywell. I misunderstood your point then.

Fair enough.

Some people argue that the test spike causes more AGA which is what I got caught up on thinking you thought the same

They’re idiots in that sense if they think that and they can’t read a simple study. With that logic 2.5 mg of Dut would’ve showed by far the worst result out of all treatments and dosages in trials (since it has the highest scalp T increase), but it showed the best results.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Of course. When did I ever deny this? I never said he is losing hair due to androgens, I said he is shedding from the start.





He doesn’t have dupa. IDK what the point of this discussion was then? We concluded he then shed from Test spike like I said. I didn’t mention AGA.

To be clear, it already looked thin before, it just looks worse now
October 2024:

December 2022:

 

[chadisbeingmade]

To be clear, it already looked thin before, it just looks worse now
October 2024:
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December 2022:
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If you are staying it looks worse after introducing Dut, then it’s the shed.

If you are saying it is thinner now and was before starting Dut, then i’d say if you were losing hair on Fin, but Fin slowed it down drastically.

Otherwise i’d say it’s the same since I don’t see too much difference in the bottom and top, but it could be the images IDK.

If you are that concerned and want to guarantee you never lose another molecule again then i’d add RU. I’d probably be norwooding like crazy without it considering the roids, instead I completely recovered any loss while roiding, @Bitchwhipper2 potentially also.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

To be clear, it already looked thin before, it just looks worse now
October 2024:
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Youre honestly just schizo tbh.

I would add RU-58841 for peace of mind link my good friend down below advised

If you are staying it looks worse after introducing Dut, then it’s the shed.

If you are saying it is thinner now and was before starting Dut, then i’d say if you were losing hair on Fin, but Fin slowed it down drastically.

Otherwise i’d say it’s the same since I don’t see too much difference in the bottom and top, but it could be the images IDK.

If you are that concerned and want to guarantee you never lose another molecule again then i’d add RU. I’d probably be norwooding like crazy without it considering the roids, instead I completely recovered any loss while roiding, @Bitchwhipper2 potentially also.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

If you are staying it looks worse after introducing Dut, then it’s the shed.

If you are saying it is thinner now and was before starting Dut, then i’d say if you were losing hair on Fin, but Fin slowed it down drastically.

Otherwise i’d say it’s the same since I don’t see too much difference in the bottom and top, but it could be the images IDK.

If you are that concerned and want to guarantee you never lose another molecule again then i’d add RU. I’d probably be norwooding like crazy without it considering the roids, instead I completely recovered any loss while roiding, @Bitchwhipper2 potentially also.

Don't know anything about ru tbh but appears to be another one of your sketchy Chinese powders. Why would it even be produced if not used in pharmaceuticals?

Anyway, how do you use it?

 

[Deleted member 86877]

Holy browridge

 

[robtical]

To be clear, it already looked thin before, it just looks worse now
October 2024:
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December 2022:
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i dont see difference

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Holy browridge

Not gonna let you hit

 

[Deleted member 86877]

Not gonna let you hit

Aryan bussy is gold to me

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Don't know anything about ru tbh but appears to be another one of your sketchy Chinese powders.

Works wonders

Anyway, how do you use it?

Apply it to areas of concern and stops androgens (that cause the hair miniaturisation) from binding.

Why would it even be produced if not used in pharmaceuticals?

Trials stopped due to funding issues. It’s rights are now public so no one can make money off it really.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Nice shiny blonde aryan hair. Even I want a white princess with your hair

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Works wonders


Apply it to areas of concern and stops androgens (that cause the hair miniaturisation) from binding.


Trials stopped due to funding issues. It’s rights are now public so no one can make money off it really.

I mean, since it's not used in pharmacies or sold as a medication, who are these Chinese manufacturers making it for? DIY folk? How can u trust it?

Anyway, since I've never looked into this, what do you do with the powder? Pretty sure I've seen people say they put it in minoxidil, but also seen u say u don't use min. Do you make a solution similar to topical fin?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Anyway, since I've never looked into this, what do you do with the powder? Pretty sure I've seen people say they put it in minoxidil, but also seen u say u don't use min. Do you make a solution similar to topical fin?

If you use minox then put it in there. I don’t like minox at all (I used for 2 years and quit a year ago).

Steps to make is here basically:

How To Make A RU58841 5% Solution - Step By Step Guide

Once you decide you will be researching RU58841 long-term it becomes more cost effective to make your own RU58841 solutions. Find out how in this article.

moreplatesmoredates.com

There’s vid here also. You don’t need to use that gay mixing device thingy he had, just mix with the pipette something else like a normal individual, it will dissolve easily:

I mean, since it's not used in pharmacies or sold as a medication, who are these Chinese manufacturers making it for? DIY folk? How can u trust it?

Wholesalers have lab tests so it’s trustworthy. Can test youself with Janoshik if you really wish. Or don’t go to wholesalers and use places like anagenic who are also 3rd party tested but cost quite a bit more.

 

[theübermenschboy]

If you use minox then put it in there. I don’t like minox at all (I used for 2 years and quit a year ago).

Steps to make is here basically:

How To Make A RU58841 5% Solution - Step By Step Guide

Once you decide you will be researching RU58841 long-term it becomes more cost effective to make your own RU58841 solutions. Find out how in this article.

moreplatesmoredates.com

There’s vid here also. You don’t need to use that gay mixing device thingy he had, just mix with the pipette something else like a normal individual, it will dissolve easily:



Wholesalers have lab tests so it’s trustworthy. Can test youself with Janoshik if you really wish. Or don’t go to wholesalers and use places like anagenic who are also 3rd party tested but cost quite a bit more.

Why don’t you like minox?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Why don’t you like minox?

He says it causes facial bloating. He hasn't tried topical

 

[theübermenschboy]

He says it causes facial bloating. He hasn't tried topical

I see . Thank you bro

 

[AstroSky]

Throw in some RU 55841 and you're good.

More specifically if you're going to use RU. If you get a solution pre-made mix it with some castor oil. I can go into the specifics of why that's a superior option but essentially RU 58841 has a very short acting half-life due to how fast it evaporates in the solvents when it's made throwing it in some oil will slow down the evaporation rate significantly allowing you to apply it on your scalp and actually extract more beneficial effects because it actually has a chance to work on the follicles

A lot of people have noted that RU falls short with how quickly it gets used up he just dries up too quickly and it doesn't have a chance to actually do its work

There's been attempts at creating micro capsulation and other film formulations that help keep it on the scalp but a low budget version of this is literally putting it in some oil. You'll have to do the math of how to dilute it down and make it work for you. But that's my recommendation.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Throw in some RU 55841 and you're good.

More specifically if you're going to use RU. If you get a solution pre-made mix it with some castor oil. I can go into the specifics of why that's a superior option but essentially RU 58841 has a very short acting half-life due to how fast it evaporates in the solvents when it's made throwing it in some oil will slow down the evaporation rate significantly allowing you to apply it on your scalp and actually extract more beneficial effects because it actually has a chance to work on the follicles

A lot of people have noted that RU falls short with how quickly it gets used up he just dries up too quickly and it doesn't have a chance to actually do its work

There's been attempts at creating micro capsulation and other film formulations that help keep it on the scalp but a low budget version of this is literally putting it in some oil. You'll have to do the math of how to dilute it down and make it work for you. But that's my recommendation.

Just started RU a few days ago
Wouldn't castor oil make the hair extremely greasy? I don't like shampooing often

 

[AstroSky]

Just started RU a few days ago
Wouldn't castor oil make the hair extremely greasy? I don't like shampooing often

Well you don't have to use castor but Castor has nice properties for hair. And you can apply it at night. And then you can use dry shampoo. Sounds like a nice trade up there. I don't like shampooing often either. But it's one of those hacks I kind of discovered that actually kind of work. And the logic in science of how that would work makes perfect sense. You want to slow down the absorption you just put a barrier. One that keeps a solvent from evaporating too fast.

It's the same thing you do when you're making gear. Use a thinner oil it's going to absorb faster you use a thicker oil it's going to absorb more slower. Altering its half-life so to speak not directly but it's kind of the same goal.

 

[Copercel]

2.5 years total on fin. Only consistent dosage for the last 9 months. Couple of months on dutasteride alongside fin. I've been shedding A LOT recently, perhaps due to the dut (but all over, so idk), which possibly makes it look thinner
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I don't use minoxidil, but maybe I should consider it. It's that or a transplant. And I already have an area of low density where I had a transplant on a bald spot I was born with, where I'm debating another transplant, and I could maybe ask for them to fix the temple too
@Bitchwhipper2

Never realized how thin your hair is holy

 

[AstroSky]

I'm not telling you the dump it into a big thing of oil I'm saying add a little bit of oil maybe a few mls into the entire mixture just enough to create an emulsion and you shake it really freaking good and the theory there is it's going to mimic an ultrasonic method where it basically it's forcing the compound inside those micro droplets of oil


You will find there's going to be a solvent in there for the most part with no water and oil doesn't really want to mix in that so you kind of have to force it at least before you apply it

I have thought of running the entire mixture inside a small ultrasonic cleaner for an hour just to get it to force the emulsion and in theory that would work too

But a low budget option of that is just shaking it really f****** hard for a long time


You'll get what I'm talking about when you see the solution after you do that

 

[greycel]

Get a scalp biopsy done @optimisticzoomer

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Never realized how thin your hair is holy

Thanks
Now you see my concern

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Get a scalp biopsy done @optimisticzoomer

For what? I'm already on dut and RU

 

[AstroSky]

Also I'm not trying to undermine your hair loss but looking at your hair you just have fine hair.
Yeah you've receded and that's pretty evident

But it's not game over and you're actively taking these drugs and you need to realize these drugs take a while to actually do their effects probably longer than you're comfortable with

You need to be on this stuff for a few years and you'll definitely start reversing it

Also make sure your hormones are good I don't know if you're on anything or do anything like that but back when I was low t had thinner hair and I just kept thinning and thinning and thinning

But when I got on trr nd I'm not trying to push you towards that is I definitely am not a component or proponent of someone peddling gear or that kind of lifestyle to someone that doesn't need it


But when I got on TRT my hair actually got thicker and stronger

Matter of fact it entirely resolved my issue with hair loss

That persisted for very long time

 

[Copercel]

Thanks
Now you see my concern

No I still think you’re schizo

 

[greycel]

For what? I'm already on dut and RU

Lots of people on Fin think they just have MPB, but they continue seeing hair loss. They find out later they had multifactorial alopecia from other issues they weren't treating

Scalp Biopsy is good because it can check it

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Also I'm not trying to undermine your hair loss but looking at your hair you just have fine hair.
Yeah you've receded and that's pretty evident

But it's not game over and you're actively taking these drugs and you need to realize these drugs take a while to actually do their effects probably longer than you're comfortable with

You need to be on this stuff for a few years and you'll definitely start reversing it

Also make sure your hormones are good I don't know if you're on anything or do anything like that but back when I was low t had thinner hair and I just kept thinning and thinning and thinning

But when I got on trr nd I'm not trying to push you towards that is I definitely am not a component or proponent of someone peddling gear or that kind of lifestyle to someone that doesn't need it


But when I got on TRT my hair actually got thicker and stronger

Matter of fact it entirely resolved my issue with hair loss

That persisted for very long time

Interesting
I don't wanna go down the hormones/roids route tho
Cba to maintain that

 

[AstroSky]

Interesting
I don't wanna go down the hormones/roids route tho
Cba to maintain that

Yeah it's not for everyone man but it would be a good thing to look into at least for a natural get a few hormone panels. You know see if there's anything missing. Could explain a lot.