My opinion on the Armenia Azerbaijan conflict as someone with both Armenian and Azeri ancestry

[registerfasterusing]

I supported karabakhi self determination, as I believe ppl should have the opportunity to separate themselves if they feel they are or will be treated unjustly. But I also acknowledge that artsakh was essentially an ethnostate, and all azeris living there were removed in the late 80s/early 90s when the first war started. Armenians in Azerbaijan and Azeris in armenia both suffered from purges and pogroms during this period, similarly to the events of 1918-1920. Historically, I think both sides have fair claims to the region: mountainous Karabakh has almost always been Armenian however the surrounding regions have been predominantly Azeri since the arrival of oghuz nomads in the Middle Ages. Even regions like Zangezur and the Ararat valley, currently territories of Armenia, were primarily Azeri populated prior to the First World War. Armenians didn’t begin repopulating this regions until 1) the conclusion of the Russo Persian war of 1826-1828 and 2) the Armenian genocide in 1915. So I actually understand Azeri claims to ‘west Azerbaijan’ from a historical perspective. However, Armenians are correct in saying all of these territories were part of ancient Armenia. Regardlessly, I believe that Armenians and Azeris alike should be free to co-inhabit Karabakh and anywhere in the South Caucasus (or world for that matter, which they do in places like Iran, russia, and Georgia) peacefully. During the post-Afsharid anarchy in Iran (1747-1796), the karabakh khanate saw many armenians and Azeris unite over pragmatic reasons. In this time, the ethnic divisions we see today did not yet exist. I believe that it’s currently best for Armenia to attempt to ally with Azerbaijan and secure the rights of Armenians to freely live in Azerbaijan, and vice versa. I think this may even happen soon as both countries acknowledge that Russia could be a future enemy.

I wrote an essay about this for school if anyone would like to read it, I can post it here.

 

[registerfasterusing]

@recai iskender thoughts?

 

[standardcel]

Stalin gave karabakh and nachitschewan to Azeris. You can look it up. Turks migrated there and were living peacefully at the beginning that’s why the Armenians let them. Just like they do in Europe

 

[registerfasterusing]

Stalin gave karabakh and nachitschewan to Azeris. You can look it up. Turks migrated there and were living peacefully at the beginning that’s why the Armenians let them. Just like they do in Europe

Nah thats not true if u do a bit of research. Karabakh was predominantly Azeri populated in the 18th and 19th centuries with most Armenians residing in the mountains, places like varanda, Golestan, Khachen, etc. Nakhchivan too was primarily Azeri apart from a few urban centers like Goghtn, the Armenians of Julfa had largely been evacuated by the early 17th century under Shah Abbas. More Armenians began to arrive in 1831 when the Russians offered them land after conquering the South Caucasus from the Qajars. Another wave arrived in 1915 during the Armenian genocide.
The reason that Karabakh and Nakhchivan were given to the Azerbaijan SSR rather than the Armenian SSR is because as of the spring of 1920, when the Soviets invaded Azerbaijan, Armenia was in the middle of a campaign in Nakhchivan, only a few miles outside of Nakhchivan City, and was planning a renewed invasion of Karabakh after the failed Shusha Uprising a few months prior. However, these campaigns were forestalled by the Soviet invasion, in which both Karabakh and Nakhchivan were declared territories of the new Azerbaijan SSR. The Armenian government directly instructed generals like Nzhdeh and Andranik to NOT engage the Soviets, forcing them to end their campaigns. Armenia was later invaded by both Turkey and the USSR a few months later, but at the time they did not know this was to happen.

 

[whiteegyptian]

All i know is Armenians are retarded shitskin orthodoxs who are more or less similar to their retarded arabic brothers in palestine and lebanon just christian, while Azeris are secular muslims who support israel, so i will go with azerbaijan.

 

[registerfasterusing]

All i know is Armenians are retarded shitskin orthodoxs who are more or less similar to their retarded arabic brothers in palestine and lebanon just christian, while Azeris are secular muslims who support israel, so i will go with azerbaijan.

gtfo kike

 

[registerfasterusing]

Bump

 

[registerfasterusing]

@girthygirt

 

[whiteegyptian]

gtfo kike

Israel and it's allies won AGAIN.

 

[registerfasterusing]

View attachment 4003899View attachment 4003903View attachment 4003904View attachment 4003907
Israel and it's allies won AGAIN.

Israeli man pretends to be Jihadi John and his wife loves it.

In her mind she's probably Thinking finally "I can't see his huge nose" And she looks a little bit too happy, Like she wants a jihadi John to make her his hostage, And in the article they did say this was a "sexy cosplay", So the only theory that comes to mind, is she wants to cuck her...

looksmax.org

 

[TheAncientMacedonia]

armenia needs to relax
they are not in a bad place

 

[standardcel]

Nah thats not true if u do a bit of research. Karabakh was predominantly Azeri populated in the 18th and 19th centuries with most Armenians residing in the mountains, places like varanda, Golestan, Khachen, etc. Nakhchivan too was primarily Azeri apart from a few urban centers like Goghtn, the Armenians of Julfa had largely been evacuated by the early 17th century under Shah Abbas. More Armenians began to arrive in 1831 when the Russians offered them land after conquering the South Caucasus from the Qajars. Another wave arrived in 1915 during the Armenian genocide.
The reason that Karabakh and Nakhchivan were given to the Azerbaijan SSR rather than the Armenian SSR is because as of the spring of 1920, when the Soviets invaded Azerbaijan, Armenia was in the middle of a campaign in Nakhchivan, only a few miles outside of Nakhchivan City, and was planning a renewed invasion of Karabakh after the failed Shusha Uprising a few months prior. However, these campaigns were forestalled by the Soviet invasion, in which both Karabakh and Nakhchivan were declared territories of the new Azerbaijan SSR. The Armenian government directly instructed generals like Nzhdeh and Andranik to NOT engage the Soviets, forcing them to end their campaigns. Armenia was later invaded by both Turkey and the USSR a few months later, but at the time they did not know this was to happen.

No Armenians were also predominantly living in East Turkey same like in Karabakh. Turks came from Central Asia while Armenians were living there for thousands of years of years. Turks are thieves they steal land, food, culture, music and everything else. In Central Asia they were living in tents like mongols and were nomadic.

 

[registerfasterusing]

No Armenians were also predominantly living in East Turkey same like in Karabakh. Turks came from Central Asia while Armenians were living there for thousands of years of years. Turks are thieves they steal land, food, culture, music and everything else. In Central Asia they were living in tents like mongols and were nomadic.

We can see here from the 1897 census that, prior to the flight of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire in 1915, Nakhchivan, the Ararat Valley, and the majority of Karabakh was primarily Tatar-speaking (Azerbaijani).
Only in the urban center of Shusha was there an Armenian majority (53%), and even then it was accompanied by a significant Tatar minority (45%). Historically, the mountainous and urban regions of Karabakh were inhabited by Armenians, and the rural lowlands by Tatars. This is, as you mentioned, the result of a division in lifestyle: sedentism vs. nomadism. However, by the 18th century many Azerbaijanis had adopted a more semi-nomadic lifestyle; transhumance. In accordance with this, they rotated between lowland pastures in the winter and highland ones in the summer. Gradually, this led to an increase in Azeri settlements among the mountainous regions of Karabakh. Although, this almost never provoked conflict between Azeris and Armenians in the region, as both sides required each other’s resource contributions to economically sustain themselves. The multipolar population dynamics of Karabakh in the late 19th and early 20th centuries are accurately represented by the data collected in the 1897 census.
In Erivan we see a similar phenomenon, where the Armenian population is concentrated in urban sites and the Tatars in rural settlements.

 

[existingandliving]

 

[thenewhebbe]

Nobody cares about this topic

 

[standardcel]

We can see here from the 1897 census that, prior to the flight of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire in 1915, Nakhchivan, the Ararat Valley, and the majority of Karabakh was primarily Tatar-speaking (Azerbaijani).
Only in the urban center of Shusha was there an Armenian majority (53%), and even then it was accompanied by a significant Tatar minority (45%). Historically, the mountainous and urban regions of Karabakh were inhabited by Armenians, and the rural lowlands by Tatars. This is, as you mentioned, the result of a division in lifestyle: sedentism vs. nomadism. However, by the 18th century many Azerbaijanis had adopted a more semi-nomadic lifestyle; transhumance. In accordance with this, they rotated between lowland pastures in the winter and highland ones in the summer. Gradually, this led to an increase in Azeri settlements among the mountainous regions of Karabakh. Although, this almost never provoked conflict between Azeris and Armenians in the region, as both sides required each other’s resource contributions to economically sustain themselves. The multipolar population dynamics of Karabakh in the late 19th and early 20th centuries are accurately represented by the data collected in the 1897 census.
In Erivan we see a similar phenomenon, where the Armenian population is concentrated in urban sites and the Tatars in rural settlements.

They settled there because the Armenians let them. At the beginning peaceful. This is what happens when you let Muslims become the majority. Before Turks came and multiplied Armenians were the majority.

It was Armenian land since thousand of years. Turks are a mix of Anatolians, Persians and central Asian. If a Turks makes a dna test it shows Greek, Armenian, Persian and a bit central Asian. They got turkified and lost their identity by converting and changing their family names.

 

[registerfasterusing]

They settled there because the Armenians let them. At the beginning peaceful. This is what happens when you let Muslims become the majority. Before Turks came and multiplied Armenians were the majority.

It was Armenian land since thousand of years. Turks are a mix of Anatolians, Persians and central Asian. If a Turks makes a dna test it shows Greek, Armenian, Persian and a bit central Asian. They got turkified and lost their identity by converting and changing their family names.

I’m not saying this isnt true but we can’t deny the fact that there was a significant Turkic population in the South Caucasus at this time. Let’s also not forget that Azerbaijanis played a significant role in the formation of several local empires like the Safavids, Afsharids, Qajars, etc.
The South Caucasus was governed predominately by Turkic-speaking rulers from as early as the 11th century until 1828.

 

[standardcel]

I’m not saying this isnt true but we can’t deny the fact that there was a significant Turkic population in the South Caucasus at this time. Let’s also not forget that Azerbaijanis played a significant role in the formation of several local empires like the Safavids, Afsharids, Qajars, etc.
The South Caucasus was governed predominately by Turkic-speaking rulers from as early as the 11th century until 1828.

There’s also ethnik majority in Germany in some cities. Doesn’t mean then land belongs to ethniks. Stalin has no right to give away lands to another country just because they had more kids. The Russians always betrayed the Armenians.

 

[registerfasterusing]

There’s also ethnik majority in Germany in some cities. Doesn’t mean then land belongs to ethniks. Stalin has no right to give away lands to another country just because they had more kids. The Russians always betrayed the Armenians.

But you have to understand that the Republic of Armenia did not hold absolute jurisdiction over those territories as of 1920. They were under the protection of the Republic of Azerbaijan. That’s why these territories were incorporated into the Azerbaijan SSR.

 

[standardcel]

But you have to understand that the Republic of Armenia did not hold absolute jurisdiction over those territories as of 1920. They were under the protection of the Republic of Azerbaijan. That’s why these territories were incorporated into the Azerbaijan SSR.

That’s because the Russians gave it to the Turks

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

most ethnik thread title oat

 

[registerfasterusing]

most ethnik thread title oat

Half white btw

 

[registerfasterusing]

That’s because the Russians gave it to the Turks

Both Armenians and Azeris suffered discrimination under the Russians. They attempted to antagonize us against each other

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

Half white btw

we do nazi rules here

 

[registerfasterusing]

Bump

 

[romanstock]

Subhuman ancestry.

 

[registerfasterusing]

Subhuman ancestry.

-35yr old virgin

 

[Iblamehades]

All i know is Armenians are retarded shitskin orthodoxs who are more or less similar to their retarded arabic brothers in palestine and lebanon just christian, while Azeris are secular muslims who support israel, so i will go with azerbaijan.

"white Egyptian"
brutal racepill

 

[registerfasterusing]

@CD34

 

[whiteegyptian]

"white Egyptian"
brutal racepill

you aint white