my parents want me trans to laugh at me

[hax]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME

(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.

my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.

my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.



i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).

a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.

of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.

the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).

but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.

this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.



how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

 

[Yani]

 

[hax]

virgin repfarm, click off the thread

 

[RussianWarCriminal]

Typical narcissistic scum parents. If possible I would move out asap or cut ties. They are so insecure themselves that they will try to destroy your life.

 

[Iota]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME

(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.

my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.

my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.



i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).

a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.

of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.

the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).

but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.

this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.



how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

what age are you man
can you leave this house?

 

[lowiqmanlet]

Brutal read, hope you find a way. Saw a guy who was anorexic that later hopped on serm. He looked crazy after, not saying that is the way

 

[hax]

what age are you man
can you leave this house?

will turn 17 in january, another year like that is unliveable. i need an instant fix as there is no "just wait untill you're 18".

 

[Iota]

will turn 17 in january, another year like that is unliveable. i need an instant fix as there is no "just wait untill you're 18".

are you in education?

 

[Panchitosbroncs]

 

[hax]

are you in education?

yes, french system to be exact. my parents are forcing me to go to university after for a minimum of 2 years.

 

[Iota]

yes, french system to be exact. my parents are forcing me to go to university after for a minimum of 2 years.

are they funding your university
I am unfamilar with the french system is it government funded or do you pay tuition fees like Ireland?

 

[hax]

are they funding your university
I am unfamilar with the french system is it government funded or do you pay tuition fees like Ireland?

i know so little about how it works but yes i will have to find a job and fund my own university probably in the 15-20k.
i'm sure they will help for the first payment but the rest will depend on me and me only.

 

[hax]

bump

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

im ngl i would start asking random s like teachers, sports coaches, that one guy who smokes cigs in the parking lot, shit even the fucking janitor for help

say your parents are literally stopping you from eating and thats why you are at such a low bmi and its seriously impacting your mental state and you need a place to cook and store food

surely someone will listen, you are gonna end up getting locked up again if you cant find a way to intervene

its bad enough having bluepill parents nevermind ones that intentionally kneecap you because they cant stand to see you doing better than they did

i wish i could help

 

[100%nt]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME
(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.
my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.
my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.
i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).
a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.
of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.
the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).
but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.
this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.
how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

 

[hightierchud]

Get a job and pay for what you need instead of coping and victimmaxxing

 

[hax]

Get a job and pay for what you need instead of coping and victimmaxxing

retard

 

[Deleted member 98741]

isnt everyones family like ths

 

[hax]

isnt everyones family like ths

i doubt this is a common scenario

 

[Deleted member 98741]

i doubt this is a common scenario

not all but been through most

 

[GonorrhoeaGobbler]

DNR but repped anyway

 

[Deleted member 98741]

not all but been through most

ill give u 1 cheat code, if u want them to not think ur gay or trans get catched watching regular porn or sleep with like porn open on ur pc

 

[hax]

ill give u 1 cheat code, if u want them to not think ur gay or trans get catched watching regular porn or sleep with like porn open on ur pc

might work but at what cost

 

[Deleted member 98741]

might work but at what cost

no cost tbh
what can they even say
Or there is a better version, talk with a girl sexually and leave ur phone unlocked or smt and make them see

 

[Deleted member 300509]

In all seriousness, are you gay? You paint your nails, hang out with lesbians, wear feminine clothes and wear makeup. Perhaps you're in denial.

 

[hax]

Perhaps you're in denial.

@imontheloose i can see it in your closet that you wanna get out

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose i can see it in your closet that you wanna get out

are you gay?

Based

You paint your nails

Based

hang out with lesbians

Should be other twinks, but okay

wear feminine clothes

Based

wear makeup

Based

 

[vxfx]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME

(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.

my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.

my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.



i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).

a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.

of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.

the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).

but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.

this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.



how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

DNR, but fuck them dude, don’t listen to what they have to say. They only want your downfall.

 

[weepmeep]

You are too young and your parents' opinions are important to you. You just need the experience to mentally separate and do what you want

 

[AestheticsHell]

Would your parents beat you or what if you just got the money and went out to buy your shit? If not you can always press them by messing with their stuff and life or giving them trouble with the police or whatever. If you are such a bitch as to not be able to rebel a bit then there's really not much to be said except to accept your condition.
That or just go straight the police and tell them what's happening, because you're literally being prevented from eating food, which is child abuse (assuming you're a minor).

 

[Ldar09867]

Based

Based

Should be other twinks, but okay

Based

Based

based

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

In all seriousness, are you gay? You paint your nails, hang out with lesbians, wear feminine clothes and wear makeup. Perhaps you're in denial.

i've done all of these things and still have no desire to fuck a man

 

[hightierchud]

ill give u 1 cheat code, if u want them to not think ur gay or trans get catched watching regular porn or sleep with like porn open on ur pc

Bisexual and exhibitionist

 

[Deleted member 135923]

You're a rape victim on your parents

 

[DJSORROW]

incel thread

 

[BrrBrrPatapimTralle]

You osund homosexual

 

[hax]

incel thread

volcel*

 

[vampireㅤㅤㅤ]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME

(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.

my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.

my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.



i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).

a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.

of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.

the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).

but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.

this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.



how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

dnr but show a picture or something

 

[hax]

dnr but show a picture or something

i'd never show my face here but i am the textbook definition of balanced dimo lmtn

 

[vampireㅤㅤㅤ]

i'd never show my face here but i am the textbook definition of mid dimo lmtn

androgony size 28 twinkcel?

 

[hax]

androgony size 28 twinkcel?

25*

 

[vampireㅤㅤㅤ]

25*

nah no way i dont believe you you would have to be like 40 kg

 

[hax]

nah no way i dont believe you you would have to be like 40 kg

i'm 182/183 and around 58kg

 

[vampireㅤㅤㅤ]

i'm 182/183 and around 58kg

im pretty much the same and i wear like 28/29

 

[hax]

im pretty much the same and i wear like 28/29

body is almost tea gurl

 

[vampireㅤㅤㅤ]

body is almost tea gurl

bruh nbs how are you not swimming in underground pussy

 

[Deleted member 296713]

get some muscles man

 

[hax]

bruh nbs how are you not swimming in underground pussy

cause there's barely any alternative people in my school and i wear oversized

get some muscles man

no muscles for your face

 

[Deleted member 296713]

no muscles for your face

at least youll look less like a twink man

 

[Deleted member 136057]

Spoiler: song

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TLDR: MY PARENTS MOCK MY APPEARANCE AND IMPLY I’M TRANS/GAY, BUT WHEN I TRY TO IMPROVE MY LOOKS THEY CALL ME MENTALLY ILL OR EXTREME

(yes i know this is another long and very serious rant thread, but i'll say it again; read for entertainment or simply click off)​

the major problem i have with my parents is that they don’t understand or relate to even a fraction of my life experiences. the things i am trying to do, they do not understand, but i think that goes for pretty much everyone on this forum. the main problem here is looksmaxxing.

my parents have always had a disregard for my looks. they don’t care if i mouth breathe, they don’t care if i’m always slouched, they don’t care about feeding me the right foods, and they don’t really care about anything unless i cry for help over the course of multiple months. and even then, sometimes this strategy didn’t work, and i just ended up separating myself from them even more, killing the connection slowly but drastically.

my main fear here is them thinking i’m a zesty homosexual. there is no point continuing to read this for anything other than entertainment value if you haven’t gotten those allegations in your own life.



i don’t know how long this has been going on, but it all started when i realized i blended in and had no originality. i think it’s pretty easy to see what comes next… i got into fashion, started exploring, and eventually ended up wearing more controversial clothing due to its strong feminine appearance. i’m not talking about dresses or thigh highs, but things such as flared pants, low-rise jeans, and extremely tight hoodies (what your typical normie would call “fag behaviour”).

a few years went by, and i realized clothes alone weren’t going to fix my horrid appearance underneath them, so i started looking into frauding (aka makeup) and tried to hide it from my parents for the longest time. my eyes being my main flaw, i eventually had to go out and buy eye-cosmetic products, which led to them realizing what i was doing behind the scenes. the way i got out of this was by classifying it as a “style” rather than something i was using to fix my flaws.

of course, this style attracted lesbian women and got them to talk to me. time skip, and i now have female friends who beg to dye my nails and do other shit like this, pushing me deeper and deeper into the whole “makeup” thing. it stopped being targeted toward fixing my looks and instead became about expanding my style. by now, it is pretty obvious that normie parents would consider their son trans or stereotypically gay, and this is where i stand right now.

the only thing saving me right now is their awareness of my obsession with roids, masculinity, and the fact that i tell them i go out with girls (they don’t know most are lesbian and that they’re only my friends, but there’s no reason to tell them, as it helps clear out the allegations).

but even then, i truly don’t understand them. they joke about my femininity every single day, but when i start talking about more “masculine” things related to my appearance, they call me an “extreme incel hyper-masculinist” and say that everyone needs to accept themselves. my dad looks disgusted most of the time, and my mom is simply weirded out.

this leads me to believe they put me in this world just to suffer (although they would probably laugh if i said that irl). what is the point of laughing at your own son’s looks, only to then turn against him when he tries to fix them? it’s like they want to keep me struggling with how i see myself and where i want to go, just for the fun of it.



how do i prove to them that the possible thoughts and assumptions they have about me are wrong, and how do i finally convince them to let me looksmax? as previously said in my older posts, they look at me as mentally ill and brainwashed, and the whole “just do it yourself” argument has already been debunked, as they control all my funds and any money i receive until i finally move out of the house. this cannot go on any longer. it is torture.

Wtf happened to you i remember in the summer when you debated me about clothes.