My personal complete drugsstack plan (not the full looksmax plan) :

[Hernan]

Thread OST.(part of the greatest songs of all time);
​

So now that i'm gonna work for two whole ass months and shit i'm gathering money to either spend on this or spend or other things.

I know anavar and fin are both in there but i'm just thinking them over again so ignore that.
Normally i also wanted to later switch anavar with winny but thats a bit too risky for me since my hair is fragile and i'm a diffuse thinner
(way more annoying then norwooding imo).

The sauce;

Compound	Dosage
HGH	8 IU/day (4 IU morning, 4 IU evening)
IGF-1 LR3	100-150 mcg/day (subQ/IM)
IGF-1 DES	100-150 mcg/day (can be localized)
Testosterone Enanthate	250-300 mg/week
Anavar (Oxandrolone)	20-30 mg/day (oral)
Exemestane	12.5-25 mg every other day
Finasteride	0.5-1 mg/day

I'll also use TUDCA btw i just didnt add it cus its not a hormone.


estimates of height (AI):

Monthly Growth Projection​

(With open growth plates, perfect nutrition, and no plate fusion) (aka best case scenario.)

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

Total in 6 Months:​

• Realistic: 6–8 cm
• Optimistic (Perfect Conditions): 8–10 cm

---

Some things added:​

1. First 3 months = Best gains (HGH + IGF-1 synergy peaks).
2. Months 4–6 = Slowdown (growth plates thin, receptors desensitize).
3. Beyond 6 months? Gains drop to <0.5 cm/month (not worth the risks).

the estimated total price per month (AI):
~$600–$1,500/month.

i got a 5k+ budget atm and can hold for 3-5 months. This is excluding the equipment and tests but i'll have the money for that then.
estimates of gained advantages after 3-4 months:
• Height: +3-6 cm (with IGF-1)
• Jaw/Skull: Slight enhancement
• Muscle: +3-5 kg (lean)
• Fat Loss: 5-8% reduction

I'd be very satisfied with that.

Prices of the tests, minimal and all tests of relevance;

Category	Estimated Cost (€)
Essential Tests	€500–€820
(Minimum: €500, Maximum: €820)

Included Tests​

• IGF-1 (3x)
• Estradiol (E2) (3x)
• Liver (ALT/AST) (2x)
• Fasting Glucose (2x)
• Lipids (HDL/LDL) (1x)
• Total Testosterone (1x)
• DHT (optional, 1x)
• Bone Age X-ray (1x)

• Cheapest (€500–€600): Focus on IGF-1, E2, liver, and glucose.
• Full Panel (€700–€820): Includes DHT, lipids, and X-ray.

• Critical Tests: IGF-1 + E2 (growth tracking).
• Safety Tests: Liver + glucose (HGH/Anavar risks).
• Bone Age X-ray: ~€100–€150 (checks growth plate status).

Personally for me i'll probably only test what is absolutely necessary.
Almost 1k extra purely for tests is insane so either i'll just work or ask my parents for money or i wont use any (kidding)
and hopefully die which would be a blessing (not kidding).


Equipment costs for five months:

Item	Quantity	Cost (€)	Notes
Insulin Syringes (29-31G)	100–150 needles	€20–€40	For HGH/IGF-1 (daily injections).
3ml Syringes (23-25G)	30–50	€10–€20	For Test E (IM injections).
Alcohol Swabs	200–300 pads	€5–€15	Sterilization.
Sharps Container	1–2	€5–€10	Safe needle disposal.
Bacteriostatic Water	30–50 mL	€15–€30	For reconstituting HGH/peptides.
Vial Adapters	5–10	€10–€20	Easier peptide/HGH drawing.
Cooler Bag + Ice Packs	1 set	€10–€25	For transporting HGH/IGF-1.
Glucose Meter	1	€20–€50	Monitor HGH-induced insulin resistance.
TOTAAL		€95–€210

I'll calculate the best amounts to buy at once to minimize shipping costs once i'm sure of the sources.

A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.

Ofcourse this just me, research and AI and i need you guys to be sure.
i'm gonna make another thread after being sure of f.e. PDO and reta etc. with the exact OST cus its in my top3 all time favs.

Tagging the smart guys:
@Jonasㅤㅤ @chadbeingmade @imontheloose @org3cel.RR @Orc

 

[Ray0n]

mirin effort
unfortunately i'm low iqcel

 

[Hernan]

mirin effort
unfortunetely i'm low iq cel

thx bb+ cap.
@realshit you asked.

 

[Hernan]

thx bb+ cap.
@realshit you asked.

oooh i can solution myself.

 

[Hernan]

@Acromegaly_Chad @mentally_ill_chad

 

[Debetro]

Dude is rich

 

[Hernan]

Thread OST.(part of the greatest songs of all time);
​

So now that i'm gonna work for two whole ass months and shit i'm gathering money to either spend on this or spend or other things.

I know anavar and fin are both in there but i'm just thinking them over again so ignore that.
Normally i also wanted to later switch anavar with winny but thats a bit too risky for me since my hair is fragile and i'm a diffuse thinner
(way more annoying then norwooding imo).

The sauce;

Compound	Dosage
HGH	8 IU/day (4 IU morning, 4 IU evening)
IGF-1 LR3	100-150 mcg/day (subQ/IM)
IGF-1 DES	100-150 mcg/day (can be localized)
Testosterone Enanthate	250-300 mg/week
Anavar (Oxandrolone)	20-30 mg/day (oral)
Exemestane	12.5-25 mg every other day
Finasteride	0.5-1 mg/day

I'll also use TUDCA btw i just didnt add it cus its not a hormone.


estimates of height (AI):

Monthly Growth Projection​

(With open growth plates, perfect nutrition, and no plate fusion) (aka best case scenario.)

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

Total in 6 Months:​

• Realistic: 6–8 cm
• Optimistic (Perfect Conditions): 8–10 cm

---

Some things added:​

1. First 3 months = Best gains (HGH + IGF-1 synergy peaks).
2. Months 4–6 = Slowdown (growth plates thin, receptors desensitize).
3. Beyond 6 months? Gains drop to <0.5 cm/month (not worth the risks).

the estimated total price per month (AI):
~$600–$1,500/month.

i got a 5k+ budget atm and can hold for 3-5 months.
estimates of gained advantages after 3-4 months:
• Height: +3-6 cm (with IGF-1)
• Jaw/Skull: Slight enhancement
• Muscle: +3-5 kg (lean)
• Fat Loss: 5-8% reduction

I'd be very satisfied with that.

Prices of the tests, minimal and all tests of relevance;

Category	Estimated Cost (€)
Essential Tests	€500–€820
(Minimum: €500, Maximum: €820)

Included Tests​

• IGF-1 (3x)
• Estradiol (E2) (3x)
• Liver (ALT/AST) (2x)
• Fasting Glucose (2x)
• Lipids (HDL/LDL) (1x)
• Total Testosterone (1x)
• DHT (optional, 1x)
• Bone Age X-ray (1x)

• Cheapest (€500–€600): Focus on IGF-1, E2, liver, and glucose.
• Full Panel (€700–€820): Includes DHT, lipids, and X-ray.

• Critical Tests: IGF-1 + E2 (growth tracking).
• Safety Tests: Liver + glucose (HGH/Anavar risks).
• Bone Age X-ray: ~€100–€150 (checks growth plate status).

Personally for me i'll probably only test what is absolutely necessary.
Almost 1k extra purely for tests is insane so either i'll just work or ask my parents for money or i wont use any (kidding)
and hopefully die which would be a blessing (not kidding).


Equipment costs for five months:

Item	Quantity	Cost (€)	Notes
Insulin Syringes (29-31G)	100–150 needles	€20–€40	For HGH/IGF-1 (daily injections).
3ml Syringes (23-25G)	30–50	€10–€20	For Test E (IM injections).
Alcohol Swabs	200–300 pads	€5–€15	Sterilization.
Sharps Container	1–2	€5–€10	Safe needle disposal.
Bacteriostatic Water	30–50 mL	€15–€30	For reconstituting HGH/peptides.
Vial Adapters	5–10	€10–€20	Easier peptide/HGH drawing.
Cooler Bag + Ice Packs	1 set	€10–€25	For transporting HGH/IGF-1.
Glucose Meter	1	€20–€50	Monitor HGH-induced insulin resistance.
TOTAAL		€95–€210

I'll calculate the best amounts to buy at once to minimize shipping costs once i'm sure of the sources.

A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.

Ofcourse this just me, research and AI and i need you guys to be sure.
i'm gonna make another thread after being sure of f.e. PDO and reta etc. with the exact OST cus its in my top3 all time favs.

Tagging the smart guys:
@Jonasㅤㅤ @chadbeingmade @imontheloose @org3cel.RR @Orc

@Jonasㅤㅤ
A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.
wdyt?

 

[Hernan]

Dude is rich

got a savings i cant access, parents restricted me cus else i'd waste it all, atleast i'm spending it on useful things.

 

[jockidc120610]

iq so high i cant understand half of this

 

[jockidc120610]

are u med btw?

 

[Hernan]

iq so high i cant understand half of this

i'm not such a smart guy. there are some real smart guys here.

are u med btw?

50%.

 

[chadbeingmade]

All you really need in all honesty is Test, GH, AI, RU, Dut.

Running 250mg - 1g of Test a week, 2.5mg Dut ED (acne/skin and hair), 2.5-7.5IU GH ED and AI depending on sensitivity to e2 / rate of aromatization is going to be the bulk of your results. Throw some var in there if you want.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

Just stick to this:

Testosterone, 250mg/week.
GH, 8IU and split the dosage to 3x a day.
Anavar, 25mg ed for 6 weeks on/off.
Exemestan, 12.5mg should be good enough at this test dosage.
Dutasteride, 2.5mg ed.

You don't need IGF-1 or you risk receptor downregulation, you can add insulin instead.

If your growth plates are open (check your knee GP's BTW), you can expect to get another additional few cm's out of this stack. Be realistic, I'm just speaking of 3-4cm MAXIMUM if your GP's are wide open.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

 

[Hernan]

All you really need in all honesty is Test, GH, AI, RU, Dut.

Running 250mg - 1g of Test a week, 2.5mg Dut ED (acne/skin and hair), 2.5-7.5IU GH ED and AI depending on sensitivity to e2 / rate of aromatization is going to be the bulk of your results. Throw some var in there if you want.

no igf at all?
also yeah i'll use RU too thanks for reminding me of that i forgot.

 

[imontheloose]

Just stick to this:

Testosterone, 250mg/week.
GH, 8IU and split the dosage to 3x a day.
Anavar, 25mg ed for 6 weeks on/off.
Exemestan, 12.5mg should be good enough at this test dosage.
Dutasteride, 2.5mg ed.

You don't need IGF-1 or you risk receptor downregulation, you can add insulin instead.

If your growth plates are open (check your knee GP's BTW), you can expect to get another additional few cm's out of this stack. Be realistic, I'm just speaking of 3-4cm MAXIMUM if your GP's are wide open.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

Yeah 10cm or 8cm is insane lol. The AI does most the work. 8IU GH seems overkill even. It’s logarithmic.

 

[chadbeingmade]

no igf at all?

Not needed. As Jonas said, if you want you can add Insulin. GH + Insulin mogs just GH alone obviously.

 

[Hernan]

Just stick to this:

Testosterone, 250mg/week.
GH, 8IU and split the dosage to 3x a day.
Anavar, 25mg ed for 6 weeks on/off.
Exemestan, 12.5mg should be good enough at this test dosage.
Dutasteride, 2.5mg ed.

You don't need IGF-1 or you risk receptor downregulation, you can add insulin instead.

i'm afraid i'll fuck up insulin and what do you think about IGF-1 DES for facial bonegrowth?
i'm legit thinking if its possible to inject some in my face or clavicles but i'll obv research more.

If your growth plates are open (check your knee GP's BTW), you can expect to get another additional few cm's out of this stack. Be realistic, I'm just speaking of 3-4cm MAXIMUM if your GP's are wide open.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

sounds good.

 

[Hernan]

Not needed. As Jonas said, if you want you can add Insulin. GH + Insulin mogs just GH alone obviously.

well my stack is not just for vertical growth, dimorphism too so you reckon thats enough?
Also thats great news for budget and being able to do it wayyy longer.

 

[Hernan]

disgusting how little traffic this gets compared to some jewish bbc thread in offtopic.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

Yeah 10cm or 8cm is insane lol. The AI does most the work. 8IU GH seems overkill even. It’s logarithmic.

Unfortunately mental masturbation.

Also would be great if you would just grow exponentially the higher the GH dosage JFL.

Biology itself is a blackpill.

Not needed. As Jonas said, if you want you can add Insulin. GH + Insulin mogs just GH alone obviously.

If we are realistic, @Hernan might not even grow a molecule. Don't remember how old he was, if he is 16 there is a big chance his GP's are almost closed. Anyway checking them with a x-ray is important.

i'm afraid i'll fuck up insulin and what do you think about IGF-1 DES for facial bonegrowth?
i'm legit thinking if its possible to inject some in my face or clavicles but i'll obv research more.

sounds good.

It's unfortunately cope. IGF-1's binding proteins prevent any selective growth.

Keeping your IGF-1 systemically high should do the job, if it worked.

disgusting how little traffic this gets compared to some jewish bbc thread in offtopic.

There are only retarded sub-100IQ normies left on this site.

 

[Hernan]

Unfortunately mental masturbation.

Also would be great if you would just linearly grow exponentially the higher the GH dosage JFL.

Biology itself is a blackpill.

If we are realistic, @Hernan might not even grow a molecule. Don't remember how old he was, if he is 16 there is a big chance his GP's are almost closed. Anyway checking them with a x-ray is important.

17 and i'm still growing, @PsychoDsk told me besides the main plates the others stay open for a longer time and you can grow max 2cm if you use a stack over a one year period or longer.

It's unfortunately cope. IGF-1's binding proteins prevent any selective growth.

alright i'll scrap that then.

Keeping your IGF-1 systemically high should do the job, if it worked.

There are only retarded sub-100IQ normies left on this site.

dalits and schmergs.

 

[Hernan]

also (final tag) @Jonasㅤㅤ any recc for insulin dosage and what kind?

 

[Mainlander]

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

That sounds very unrealistic or am i wrong

 

[Hernan]

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

That sounds very unrealistic or am i wrong

optimal case and its AI.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

17 and i'm still growing, @PsychoDsk told me besides the main plates the others stay open for a longer time and you can grow max 2cm if you use a stack over a one year period or longer.

alright i'll scrap that then.

dalits and schmergs.

The only way to know for certain is checking your growth plates.

You should only think about GH and AI once you know the objective truth, I can't stress that enough.

also (final tag) @Jonasㅤㅤ any recc for insulin dosage and what kind?

Lantus insulin. 15-20IU should be good enough in your case, keep in mind you need to eat a ton of carbs.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

 

[Hernan]

@DravidianFootjob i'll put the outcome in the height document.

 

[Mainlander]

The only way to know for certain is checking your growth plates.

You should only think about GH and AI once you know the objective truth, I can't stress that enough.

Lantus insulin. 15-20IU should be good enough in your case, keep in mind you need to eat a ton of carbs.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

How likely is diabetis with 8IU HGH Lantus and a lot of carbs

 

[Hernan]

The only way to know for certain is checking your growth plates.

You should only think about GH and AI once you know the objective truth, I can't stress that enough.

Lantus insulin. 15-20IU should be good enough in your case, keep in mind you need to eat a ton of carbs.

@chadbeingmade @imontheloose

thx.

 

[realshit]

thx bb+ cap.
@realshit you asked.

very good , be care full with ai
I don't know which syringes I should use for the cycle test

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

How likely is diabetis with 8IU HGH Lantus and a lot of carbs

You won't get diabetes JFL. Even if you do, just fix your insulin sensitivity afterwards with reta and other compounds.

 

[org3cel.RR]

Thread OST.(part of the greatest songs of all time);
​

So now that i'm gonna work for two whole ass months and shit i'm gathering money to either spend on this or spend or other things.

I know anavar and fin are both in there but i'm just thinking them over again so ignore that.
Normally i also wanted to later switch anavar with winny but thats a bit too risky for me since my hair is fragile and i'm a diffuse thinner
(way more annoying then norwooding imo).

The sauce;

Compound	Dosage
HGH	8 IU/day (4 IU morning, 4 IU evening)
IGF-1 LR3	100-150 mcg/day (subQ/IM)
IGF-1 DES	100-150 mcg/day (can be localized)
Testosterone Enanthate	250-300 mg/week
Anavar (Oxandrolone)	20-30 mg/day (oral)
Exemestane	12.5-25 mg every other day
Finasteride	0.5-1 mg/day

I'll also use TUDCA btw i just didnt add it cus its not a hormone.


estimates of height (AI):

Monthly Growth Projection​

(With open growth plates, perfect nutrition, and no plate fusion) (aka best case scenario.)

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

Total in 6 Months:​

• Realistic: 6–8 cm
• Optimistic (Perfect Conditions): 8–10 cm

---

Some things added:​

1. First 3 months = Best gains (HGH + IGF-1 synergy peaks).
2. Months 4–6 = Slowdown (growth plates thin, receptors desensitize).
3. Beyond 6 months? Gains drop to <0.5 cm/month (not worth the risks).

the estimated total price per month (AI):
~$600–$1,500/month.

i got a 5k+ budget atm and can hold for 3-5 months. This is excluding the equipment and tests but i'll have the money for that then.
estimates of gained advantages after 3-4 months:
• Height: +3-6 cm (with IGF-1)
• Jaw/Skull: Slight enhancement
• Muscle: +3-5 kg (lean)
• Fat Loss: 5-8% reduction

I'd be very satisfied with that.

Prices of the tests, minimal and all tests of relevance;

Category	Estimated Cost (€)
Essential Tests	€500–€820
(Minimum: €500, Maximum: €820)

Included Tests​

• IGF-1 (3x)
• Estradiol (E2) (3x)
• Liver (ALT/AST) (2x)
• Fasting Glucose (2x)
• Lipids (HDL/LDL) (1x)
• Total Testosterone (1x)
• DHT (optional, 1x)
• Bone Age X-ray (1x)

• Cheapest (€500–€600): Focus on IGF-1, E2, liver, and glucose.
• Full Panel (€700–€820): Includes DHT, lipids, and X-ray.

• Critical Tests: IGF-1 + E2 (growth tracking).
• Safety Tests: Liver + glucose (HGH/Anavar risks).
• Bone Age X-ray: ~€100–€150 (checks growth plate status).

Personally for me i'll probably only test what is absolutely necessary.
Almost 1k extra purely for tests is insane so either i'll just work or ask my parents for money or i wont use any (kidding)
and hopefully die which would be a blessing (not kidding).


Equipment costs for five months:

Item	Quantity	Cost (€)	Notes
Insulin Syringes (29-31G)	100–150 needles	€20–€40	For HGH/IGF-1 (daily injections).
3ml Syringes (23-25G)	30–50	€10–€20	For Test E (IM injections).
Alcohol Swabs	200–300 pads	€5–€15	Sterilization.
Sharps Container	1–2	€5–€10	Safe needle disposal.
Bacteriostatic Water	30–50 mL	€15–€30	For reconstituting HGH/peptides.
Vial Adapters	5–10	€10–€20	Easier peptide/HGH drawing.
Cooler Bag + Ice Packs	1 set	€10–€25	For transporting HGH/IGF-1.
Glucose Meter	1	€20–€50	Monitor HGH-induced insulin resistance.
TOTAAL		€95–€210

I'll calculate the best amounts to buy at once to minimize shipping costs once i'm sure of the sources.

A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.

Ofcourse this just me, research and AI and i need you guys to be sure.
i'm gonna make another thread after being sure of f.e. PDO and reta etc. with the exact OST cus its in my top3 all time favs.

Tagging the smart guys:
@Jonasㅤㅤ @chadbeingmade @imontheloose @org3cel.RR @Orc

Bad cycle+ 1 cm by month is realistic, sureee

 

[Hernan]

Bad cycle

how even?

+ 1 cm by month is realistic, sureee

its ai.

 

[pajjeetslayer]

how even?

its ai.

Running ts at 17 is crazy how u got the money and place to hide this tuff ?

 

[Hernan]

Running ts at 17 is crazy how u got the money

savings unlock at 18, i'm just earning extra and preparing until then.

and place to hide this tuff ?

i'll find a place and at 18 i do whatever the fuck i want.

 

[copercel123]

Thread OST.(part of the greatest songs of all time);
​

So now that i'm gonna work for two whole ass months and shit i'm gathering money to either spend on this or spend or other things.

I know anavar and fin are both in there but i'm just thinking them over again so ignore that.
Normally i also wanted to later switch anavar with winny but thats a bit too risky for me since my hair is fragile and i'm a diffuse thinner
(way more annoying then norwooding imo).

The sauce;

Compound	Dosage
HGH	8 IU/day (4 IU morning, 4 IU evening)
IGF-1 LR3	100-150 mcg/day (subQ/IM)
IGF-1 DES	100-150 mcg/day (can be localized)
Testosterone Enanthate	250-300 mg/week
Anavar (Oxandrolone)	20-30 mg/day (oral)
Exemestane	12.5-25 mg every other day
Finasteride	0.5-1 mg/day

I'll also use TUDCA btw i just didnt add it cus its not a hormone.


estimates of height (AI):

Monthly Growth Projection​

(With open growth plates, perfect nutrition, and no plate fusion) (aka best case scenario.)

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

Total in 6 Months:​

• Realistic: 6–8 cm
• Optimistic (Perfect Conditions): 8–10 cm

---

Some things added:​

1. First 3 months = Best gains (HGH + IGF-1 synergy peaks).
2. Months 4–6 = Slowdown (growth plates thin, receptors desensitize).
3. Beyond 6 months? Gains drop to <0.5 cm/month (not worth the risks).

the estimated total price per month (AI):
~$600–$1,500/month.

i got a 5k+ budget atm and can hold for 3-5 months. This is excluding the equipment and tests but i'll have the money for that then.
estimates of gained advantages after 3-4 months:
• Height: +3-6 cm (with IGF-1)
• Jaw/Skull: Slight enhancement
• Muscle: +3-5 kg (lean)
• Fat Loss: 5-8% reduction

I'd be very satisfied with that.

Prices of the tests, minimal and all tests of relevance;

Category	Estimated Cost (€)
Essential Tests	€500–€820
(Minimum: €500, Maximum: €820)

Included Tests​

• IGF-1 (3x)
• Estradiol (E2) (3x)
• Liver (ALT/AST) (2x)
• Fasting Glucose (2x)
• Lipids (HDL/LDL) (1x)
• Total Testosterone (1x)
• DHT (optional, 1x)
• Bone Age X-ray (1x)

• Cheapest (€500–€600): Focus on IGF-1, E2, liver, and glucose.
• Full Panel (€700–€820): Includes DHT, lipids, and X-ray.

• Critical Tests: IGF-1 + E2 (growth tracking).
• Safety Tests: Liver + glucose (HGH/Anavar risks).
• Bone Age X-ray: ~€100–€150 (checks growth plate status).

Personally for me i'll probably only test what is absolutely necessary.
Almost 1k extra purely for tests is insane so either i'll just work or ask my parents for money or i wont use any (kidding)
and hopefully die which would be a blessing (not kidding).


Equipment costs for five months:

Item	Quantity	Cost (€)	Notes
Insulin Syringes (29-31G)	100–150 needles	€20–€40	For HGH/IGF-1 (daily injections).
3ml Syringes (23-25G)	30–50	€10–€20	For Test E (IM injections).
Alcohol Swabs	200–300 pads	€5–€15	Sterilization.
Sharps Container	1–2	€5–€10	Safe needle disposal.
Bacteriostatic Water	30–50 mL	€15–€30	For reconstituting HGH/peptides.
Vial Adapters	5–10	€10–€20	Easier peptide/HGH drawing.
Cooler Bag + Ice Packs	1 set	€10–€25	For transporting HGH/IGF-1.
Glucose Meter	1	€20–€50	Monitor HGH-induced insulin resistance.
TOTAAL		€95–€210

I'll calculate the best amounts to buy at once to minimize shipping costs once i'm sure of the sources.

A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.

Ofcourse this just me, research and AI and i need you guys to be sure.
i'm gonna make another thread after being sure of f.e. PDO and reta etc. with the exact OST cus its in my top3 all time favs.

Tagging the smart guys:
@Jonasㅤㅤ @chadbeingmade @imontheloose @org3cel.RR @Orc

The height expectations arent realistic at all.
And I would replace the fin with dut and add RU.

What did you decided about the IGF des and lr3? You’re going to do both?

 

[Hernan]

The height expectations arent realistic at all.

AI MF.

And I would replace the fin with dut and add RU.

got it.

What did you decided about the IGF des and lr3? You’re going to do both?

you were the guy that convinced me nig.

 

[copercel123]

you were the guy that convinced me nig.

ok and? I just asked you nigga.
And I think I said to you that it’s better not to run both.

 

[Hernan]

ok and? I just asked you nigga.

i want to but Jonas says igf-1 is best not pinned.
purely for facial gains i'll probably do a temporary 'experiment" with IGF-1 DES if i got enough money left for it.

 

[org3cel.RR]

how even?

Stick to @chadbeingmade cycle, he edited the bad parts and added dut and RU which completely mogs fin to death.
also stick to what @Jonasㅤㅤ said, no igf-1 shit is useless and expensive. Use 15-20 ius of insulin like he said but dont forget to pair it with 150-200mg of carbs daily, ur pretty much set

its ai

Remind urself that u will most likely not grow more then 3 cm.

 

[Hernan]

Stick to @chadbeingmade cycle, he edited the bad parts and added dut and RU which completely mogs fin to death.

also stick to what @Jonasㅤㅤ said, no igf-1 shit is useless and expensive.

i asked you if i had the money if it'd be worth it you said yes and now you say this,

.

Use 15-20 ius of insulin like he said but dont forget to pair it with 150-200mg of carbs daily, ur pretty much set

okok.

Remind urself that u will most likely not grow more then 3 cm.

i'll placebo to 6'5 lol.

 

[org3cel.RR]

i asked you if i had the money if it'd be worth it and now you say this,

Well ofc its worth it wtf, if you have alot of money you could buy every single HGH secragogue and peptide so why not.
But if your short on money its retarded to use it. Dont twist my words mate

i'll placebo to 6'5 lol.

Before anything check growth plates

 

[Hernan]

Well ofc its worth it wtf, if you have alot of money you could buy every single HGH secragogue and peptide so why not.

cus;

You don't need IGF-1 or you risk receptor downregulation

But if your short on money its retarded to use it. Dont twist my words mate

so what the fuck should i buy then? i've gotten like 5 stacks recommended and made 2 myself.

Before anything check growth plates

ye.

my brains so melted from exams and even without i'd still be confused.

 

[org3cel.RR]

so what the fuck should i buy then? i've gotten like 5 stacks recommended and made 2 myself.

Bro stick to the basics like CBM said, HGH+insulin+ai. Im not even using insulin yet will do, I still have to give some look into insulin gut cause I dont want it even tho they only get it at very high dosages gotta watch out.

my brains so melted from exams and even without i'd still be confused.

Brutal

 

[Hernan]

Bro stick to the basics like CBM said, HGH+insulin+ai. Im not even using insulin yet will do, I still have to give some look into insulin gut cause I dont want it even tho they only get it at very high dosages gotta watch out.


Brutal

i know and alr thx.

 

[realshit]

Thread OST.(part of the greatest songs of all time);
​

So now that i'm gonna work for two whole ass months and shit i'm gathering money to either spend on this or spend or other things.

I know anavar and fin are both in there but i'm just thinking them over again so ignore that.
Normally i also wanted to later switch anavar with winny but thats a bit too risky for me since my hair is fragile and i'm a diffuse thinner
(way more annoying then norwooding imo).

The sauce;

Compound	Dosage
HGH	8 IU/day (4 IU morning, 4 IU evening)
IGF-1 LR3	100-150 mcg/day (subQ/IM)
IGF-1 DES	100-150 mcg/day (can be localized)
Testosterone Enanthate	250-300 mg/week
Anavar (Oxandrolone)	20-30 mg/day (oral)
Exemestane	12.5-25 mg every other day
Finasteride	0.5-1 mg/day

I'll also use TUDCA btw i just didnt add it cus its not a hormone.


estimates of height (AI):

Monthly Growth Projection​

(With open growth plates, perfect nutrition, and no plate fusion) (aka best case scenario.)

• Month 1: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 2: 1.5–2.0 cm
• Month 3: 1.0–1.5 cm
• Month 4: 0.8–1.2 cm
• Month 5: 0.5–1.0 cm
• Month 6: 0.3–0.8 cm

Total in 6 Months:​

• Realistic: 6–8 cm
• Optimistic (Perfect Conditions): 8–10 cm

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Some things added:​

1. First 3 months = Best gains (HGH + IGF-1 synergy peaks).
2. Months 4–6 = Slowdown (growth plates thin, receptors desensitize).
3. Beyond 6 months? Gains drop to <0.5 cm/month (not worth the risks).

the estimated total price per month (AI):
~$600–$1,500/month.

i got a 5k+ budget atm and can hold for 3-5 months. This is excluding the equipment and tests but i'll have the money for that then.
estimates of gained advantages after 3-4 months:
• Height: +3-6 cm (with IGF-1)
• Jaw/Skull: Slight enhancement
• Muscle: +3-5 kg (lean)
• Fat Loss: 5-8% reduction

I'd be very satisfied with that.

Prices of the tests, minimal and all tests of relevance;

Category	Estimated Cost (€)
Essential Tests	€500–€820
(Minimum: €500, Maximum: €820)

Included Tests​

• IGF-1 (3x)
• Estradiol (E2) (3x)
• Liver (ALT/AST) (2x)
• Fasting Glucose (2x)
• Lipids (HDL/LDL) (1x)
• Total Testosterone (1x)
• DHT (optional, 1x)
• Bone Age X-ray (1x)

• Cheapest (€500–€600): Focus on IGF-1, E2, liver, and glucose.
• Full Panel (€700–€820): Includes DHT, lipids, and X-ray.

• Critical Tests: IGF-1 + E2 (growth tracking).
• Safety Tests: Liver + glucose (HGH/Anavar risks).
• Bone Age X-ray: ~€100–€150 (checks growth plate status).

Personally for me i'll probably only test what is absolutely necessary.
Almost 1k extra purely for tests is insane so either i'll just work or ask my parents for money or i wont use any (kidding)
and hopefully die which would be a blessing (not kidding).


Equipment costs for five months:

Item	Quantity	Cost (€)	Notes
Insulin Syringes (29-31G)	100–150 needles	€20–€40	For HGH/IGF-1 (daily injections).
3ml Syringes (23-25G)	30–50	€10–€20	For Test E (IM injections).
Alcohol Swabs	200–300 pads	€5–€15	Sterilization.
Sharps Container	1–2	€5–€10	Safe needle disposal.
Bacteriostatic Water	30–50 mL	€15–€30	For reconstituting HGH/peptides.
Vial Adapters	5–10	€10–€20	Easier peptide/HGH drawing.
Cooler Bag + Ice Packs	1 set	€10–€25	For transporting HGH/IGF-1.
Glucose Meter	1	€20–€50	Monitor HGH-induced insulin resistance.
TOTAAL		€95–€210

I'll calculate the best amounts to buy at once to minimize shipping costs once i'm sure of the sources.

A small edit: depending on my hairfall i'll either uppen finasteride dosages or i'll switch to dutasteride.

Ofcourse this just me, research and AI and i need you guys to be sure.
i'm gonna make another thread after being sure of f.e. PDO and reta etc. with the exact OST cus its in my top3 all time favs.

Tagging the smart guys:
@Jonasㅤㅤ @chadbeingmade @imontheloose @org3cel.RR @Orc

after the cycle you will do a pct

 

[slaters]

How likely is diabetis with 8IU HGH Lantus and a lot of carbs

Insulin is suppose to prevent diabetes

 

[realshit]

after the cycle you will do a pct

@Hernan and you think you Will recover your Natural hormone production

 

[realshit]

got a savings i cant access, parents restricted me cus else i'd waste it all, atleast i'm spending it on useful things.

How old are you

 

[Hernan]

@Hernan and you think you Will recover your Natural hormone production

Sure.

How old are you

For the 100th time 17.