My Problem with MARPE

[miriniqontiktok]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

 

[miriniqontiktok]

@Yani @Idontknow-

 

[Idontknow-]

@Yani @Idontknow-

Idk nothing abt MARPE

 

[Krosk]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

im gonna be talking to my ortho about marpe and mse im 14 so it might be differn but i am mainly doing it to widen the maxilla

 

[miriniqontiktok]

im gonna be talking to my ortho about marpe and mse im 14 so it might be differn but i am mainly doing it to widen the maxilla

What is your bigonial to byzogomatic width ratio?

 

[Krosk]

What is your bigonial to byzogomatic width ratio?

no clue lol

 

[Krosk]

What is your bigonial to byzogomatic width ratio?

my pallete is very narrow or too wide i did braces when i was 8 years old though so it looks a bit narrow

 

[Yani]

Lol it allows your orthodontist to improve your teeth if needed. MARPE will only be used by orthodontists for people who need it. Palate expansion for bone structure is bullshit, because it's hard to be candidate for a palate expander through an orthodontist, and most people are too old for it anyways.

 

[miriniqontiktok]

my pallete is very narrow or too wide i did braces when i was 8 years old though so it looks a bit narrow

«Very narrow or to wide» those are polar opposites lmao, but if your bigonial to byzgomatic width is low (narrow lower jaw) then widening the upper jaw would make the lower jaw look more narrow due to a lower bigonial to byzogomatic width, but if your palate is narrow to the point where it causes everyday health issues then you will have to but if thats not the case i would refrain from expansion imo (if your lower jaw is already very narrow compared to upper that is).

 

[miriniqontiktok]

no clue lol

Like how narrow is your lower jaw compared to the width of your cheekbones? I explained in detail in other reply

 

[alex2334]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

i got a appoitment at my ortho in a month, my palate is not that narrow but its definitely not very wide but im really unsure ifi should get it or no

 

[miriniqontiktok]

i got a appoitment at my ortho in a month, my palate is not that narrow but its definitely not very wide but im really unsure ifi should get it or no

What is your bigonial to byzogomatic width?

 

[Krosk]

Like how narrow is your lower jaw compared to the width of your cheekbones? I explained in detail in other reply

my lower jaw is more narrow then my cheeckbones

 

[alex2334]

What is your bigonial to byzogomatic width?

i dont know exactly the numbers but i can drop a photo if you want to

 

[miriniqontiktok]

my lower jaw is more narrow then my cheeckbones

Yeah as it is in most people, but to what extent?

 

[miriniqontiktok]

i dont know exactly the numbers but i can drop a photo if you want to

Sure

 

[alex2334]

Sure

slightly frauded - clenching my teeth forgive me for that, but im too insecure to take a photo without doing it
also i kinda feel like my zygos look much better in this photo then they actually are

 

[miriniqontiktok]

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slightly frauded - clenching my teeth forgive me for that, but im too insecure to take a photo without doing it
also i kinda feel like my zygos look much better in this photo then they actually are

You look to have a good high FWHR pretty wide lower jaw, you dont need palate expansion trust me it would do more harm than good.

 

[miriniqontiktok]

Bump

 

[DonaldJTrump]

even if you have a low FWHR, overly wide jaw, you shouldnt do MARPE. MARPE is not an aesthetic procedure. only do it maybe if your palate really is shit.

 

[65Italy]

even if you have a low FWHR, overly wide jaw, you shouldnt do MARPE. MARPE is not an aesthetic procedure. only do it maybe if your palate really is shit.

Yeah but you need for wide smile

 

[65Italy]

even if you have a low FWHR, overly wide jaw, you shouldnt do MARPE. MARPE is not an aesthetic procedure. only do it maybe if your palate really is shit.

Tf are you laughing for smile is one of the most important feature

 

[ccwb]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

Water + I’ve spoken bout Marpe
It gives insane aesthetics benefits for young candidates, I have also pictures of people before and after expansion and they are 14
So yes Marpe isn’t for aeasthetics BUT if needed it CAN give aesthetic gains

 

[ccwb]

Lol it allows your orthodontist to improve your teeth if needed. MARPE will only be used by orthodontists for people who need it. Palate expansion for bone structure is bullshit, because it's hard to be candidate for a palate expander through an orthodontist, and most people are too old for it anyways.

Not true
I’m 14, with a very bad palate
Marpe literally split the bone and cause lateral projection to ZMC
Slightly affect eye tilt canthal
And

 

[Deleted member 351683]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

marpe is for retards

 

[65Italy]

I see alot of people talking about MARPE,
But imo i think it would more harm than good in the vast majority of people

But first of all what is MARPE?

MARPE (short for Miniscrew-Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion.) is a orthodonic technique used to widen the upper jaw (maxilla) by applying expansion forces through bone-anchored screws to separate the midpalatal suture.

I could see MARPE as a good option if you have a very narrow maxilla resulting in posterior crossbite, dental crowding, and airway compromise.

But i belive it isn’t beneficial aesthetically in most people and here is why

1.
MARPE isn't really beneficial aesthetically for most people, because it only expands the upper jaw, not the lower jaw. The lower jaw can't be widened with expansion since it has no suture (widening it would require implants). Expanding only the upper jaw increases bizygomatic width while bigonial width stays the same, lowering the bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio. For most people, this makes the jaw look too narrow, especially if it already is.


The only time this could look good is if your bigonial-to-bizygomatic ratio is already too high (= >1.0).

It can also disrupt facial harmony by widening the nasal bridge and altering the ESR (eye separation ratio).

Also, if FWHR is already high (ideal for males = 1.85-2.0), expanding to the point where FWHR exceeds 2.0 can make the face look too wide, hurting overall aesthetics rather than improving them.

The only time I could see MARPE being aesthetically useful is in a case with a very narrow maxilla, low FWHR, and very wide bigonial width.

If anyone can refute or challenge these points, feel free to do so, open to discussion.

True but I have a 6 teeth smile and a narrow palate