My question to people that claim whitness outside of Europe?

[Jason Voorhees]

People frequently argue over whether Sicilians, Maltese, or Albanians are fully white or European or not. The people across the line and clustering directly with other Europeans on PCA maps so how on earth do you expect anyone to consider non European ethnicities to be whites when people indigenous to European continent themselves have been denied the white tag for centuries and even now?

 

[Chadeep]

Definition of whiteness changes according to number of black and brown people

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BigBallsLarry @Nothing @Divineincel

 

[81xa]

 

[Jason Voorhees]

albanians arent white

Good keep that energy when you also encounter a Turk or a Nafri claiming to be white.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Hess @ICL

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Revan @tgun564636

 

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@Jenson

 

[Revan]

switzerland above is white, everything below is negro territory

 

[ascendandforget]

Australia and New Zealand are far away from Europe but 80% of their populations are white

 

[Jenson]

@Jenson

Hi

 

[Hess]

Whiteness as a political identity has been pioneered by colonialism outside europe through negation of other ethnic identities such as indians, native americans, africans and asians, for example the concept of a roman identity didnt come about magically it evolved through negation from wildy different groups until the point where it formed a united itallic identity negated against by the celts, also as a general rule of thumb though a more coherrent definition of white will just be conflating it with european descendant

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Australia and New Zealand are far away from europe but 80% of their populations are white

I am mainly talking about genetics. Those people are European immigrants. Like Americans who have been removed from the European population for 300 years and mixed with natives and blacks but still have majority European dna. A good example of mixed race people would actually be Samis, Gypsies etc

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Whiteness as a political identity has been pioneered by colonialism outside europe through negation of other ethnic identities such as indians, native americans, africans and asians, for example the concept of a roman identity didnt come about magically it evolved through negation from wildy different groups until the point where it formed a united itallic identity negated against by the celts, also as a general rule of thumb though a more coherrent definition of white will just be conflating it with european descendant

This is water nigga. Being white doesn't mean anything in Europe like being black doesn't mean anything africa. They are all whites they are all blacks so they divide themselves by their nationality. The entire concept whitness started with Americans

 

[ICL]

I had trouble interpretting this data.
But all I see is the armenian and turkic deviation from the other "white" races. Additionally, if these are targeted to people like us, I'd still count myself white, as I'm "caucasian" (literally, not just the racial term caucasian) hence I feel free to pass this test.

 

[Hess]

This is water nigga. Being white doesn't mean anything in Europe like being black doesn't mean anything africa. They are all whites they are all blacks so they divide themselves by their nationality. The entire concept whitness started with Americans

Yes but my point is that it is still very much a politically relevant tag and identity that can not be shrugged off as not real, and as for europe it is not entirely irrelevant or non existent, especially in the UK from my personal experience, considering the vast difference between the coming non white immigrant pop growing you see people identify more with just being a white person than their specific European ethnicity especially when they are in areas with more ethnic ppl (look at how easily Afrikaner migrants to the UK assimilate compared to ethnics), though im not a believer in a united white state and im a nationalist for my white ethnic group first,

My position though is that white and european just mean the same thing and its easier to just use european/euro descent without getting into a semantic debate abt it

 

[LXR]

Whiteness is just a proxy for civility and how attractive of a place a country is to live in. You see it in every sort of discussion. Most innovative are white, most desirable are white, best welfare is of whites, most peaceful countries are of whites and so on. Nowadays, it depends on who gatekeeps the white tag. North West Europeans anything below as lesser ones beneath them. Northern ones do it to those south of them and the Southern ones do it to anyone outside of Europe. Meanwhile that entire belt thinks Eastern Europeans are Asiatic subhumans. In Antiquity it was entirely different. Civilised was Divinity and granted to Mediterranean people. Anything apart from them were filthy barbarians and raiders who could never organise and behave properly

 

[inyerta]

Good keep that energy when you also encounter a Turk or a Nafri claiming to be white.

Is this white?

 

[Aㅤㅤㅤ]

The PCA you're using doesn't actually show what you're saying. It's a plot of genetic distance. It literally can't classify race. The axes don't scale whiteness left to right.

It's just showing that present-day Europeans are themselves mixed with WHG + EEF + ANE

Basically, "European" genomically is already admixed.

I'll use the example of Sardinians. They cluster closest to EEF and are genomically one of the least WHG-admixed populations on the continent.

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