My second blast at 16 any recommendations?

[narrator_313]

What i ran last time:

500mg test e split monday thursday
8IU HGH ed (went down to 4 after about 3 weeks due to money troubles)
6.25mg aromasin EOD
500IU HCG EOD

Ancillaries: none

I felt great i had basically 0 side effects except for some back acne which was whatever

Next cycle im thinking of:

500mg test e split Monday Thursday
300mg masteron e split Monday Thursday
70mg tren ace per week (will stay at 70mg until i can buy ancillaries. will go up or down depending on how i feel)
500IU HCG EOD
dosing aromasin according to my bloodwork because mast might have enough anti estrogen properties for me to not need an AI

Ancillaries:

Telmisartan: 80mg per day.

* Cialis (Tadalafil): 5mg per day.

* Baby Aspirin: 1 tablet in the AM and 1 tablet in the PM.

* Eplernone 50mg per day

* Propranolol: 40mg prior to bed (only if the sympathetic nervous system is too active)

* P5p 100mg

* Taurine 2000mg

* Nac 1800mg

* Tudca 1200mg

* Ezetimibe 10mg

* Omega 3 5G

* memantine 2.5mg

* Injectable Glutathione 250-500mg

* BPC 500mcg

*4 litres of water a day

*5mg methylene blue

 

[chudpiller]

Were you able to get your natural test fully back after your cycle?

 

[narrator_313]

Were you able to get your natural test fully back after your cycle?

I haven’t came off im currently cruising on 200mg i will be coming off most likely after this cycle

 

[Jimcel]

mirin

 

[Bishoplol]

6.25mg aromasin EOD
500IU HCG EOD

HCG on blast? No point.

If you're taking aromasin just cause, don't. You're much better off increasing pin frequency or lowering dose slightly instead of running AIs

 

[narrator_313]

HCG on blast? No point.

If you're taking aromasin just cause, don't. You're much better off increasing pin frequency or lowering dose slightly instead of running AIs

The hcg is to prevent atrophie of my balls so that coming off is easier because i do intend to come off at some point. Me personally i can’t be bothered to pin everyday and the AI route is simpler and easier for me i started taking aromasin after i had high estrogen sides like sensitive nipples and mood irregularities

 

[narrator_313]

What i ran last time:

500mg test e split monday thursday
8IU HGH ed (went down to 4 after about 3 weeks due to money troubles)
6.25mg aromasin EOD
500IU HCG EOD

Ancillaries: none

I felt great i had basically 0 side effects except for some back acne which was whatever

Next cycle im thinking of:

500mg test e split Monday Thursday
300mg masteron e split Monday Thursday
70mg tren ace per week (will stay at 70mg until i can buy ancillaries. will go up or down depending on how i feel)
500IU HCG EOD
dosing aromasin according to my bloodwork because mast might have enough anti estrogen properties for me to not need an AI

Ancillaries:

Telmisartan: 80mg per day.

* Cialis (Tadalafil): 5mg per day.

* Baby Aspirin: 1 tablet in the AM and 1 tablet in the PM.

* Eplernone 50mg per day

* Propranolol: 40mg prior to bed (only if the sympathetic nervous system is too active)

* P5p 100mg

* Taurine 2000mg

* Nac 1800mg

* Tudca 1200mg

* Ezetimibe 10mg

* Omega 3 5G

* memantine 2.5mg

* Injectable Glutathione 250-500mg

* BPC 500mcg

*4 litres of water a day

*5mg methylene blue

Bump

 

[Bishoplol]

The hcg is to prevent atrophie of my balls so that coming off is easier because i do intend to come off at some point. Me personally i can’t be bothered to pin everyday and the AI route is simpler and easier for me i started taking aromasin after i had high estrogen sides like sensitive nipples and mood irregularities

This is so braindead. You're abusing a substance that is artificially keeping your testes running and you think its gonna significantly impact recovery after 2 blasts and a cruise between. You're absolutely wrong. HCG is used for an entirely different reason. Easier PCT is often just a side note.

Second thing wtf? You're using gear and you cba to pin daily so you use a pill that fucks up yet another hormone making an even bigger irregularity in your hormonal health? This is so stupid. AI should be used in severe cases not included as part of cycle. Sure, consider it when running high test but even then you should stack lower test with a non aromatizing compound and still avoid AI.

 

[theprogresspath]

mirin the stack, good luck

 

[narrator_313]

This is so braindead. You're abusing a substance that is artificially keeping your testes running and you think its gonna significantly impact recovery after 2 blasts and a cruise between. You're absolutely wrong. HCG is used for an entirely different reason. Easier PCT is often just a side note.

Second thing wtf? You're using gear and you cba to pin daily so you use a pill that fucks up yet another hormone making an even bigger irregularity in your hormonal health? This is so stupid. AI should be used in severe cases not included as part of cycle. Sure, consider it when running high test but even then you should stack lower test with a non aromatizing compound and still avoid AI.

I mean have you even ever ran a cycle before? Nigga if your going purely off of some studies you saw or whatever chatgpt said im not reading ts. AI’s don’t fuck up a hormone it’s about keeping yourself in the reference range thats right for you and you can utilise just about anything to do that wether it be with frequent pinning a secondary Anabolic that acts like an AI like EQ or primo or just an AI its literally the same thing why should i lower my test if im not having any high estrogenic sides? And idk what ur on about with HCG does it make PCT easier the answer is yes so there is no real reason to not be doing HCG sure you can do it during a cruise or before PCT but thats really just preference and doesn’t impact health or goals by a whole lot

 

[Bishoplol]

I mean have you even ever ran a cycle before? Nigga if your going purely off of some studies you saw or whatever chatgpt said im not reading ts. AI’s don’t fuck up a hormone it’s about keeping yourself in the reference range thats right for you and you can utilise just about anything to do that wether it be with frequent pinning a secondary Anabolic that acts like an AI like EQ or primo or just an AI its literally the same thing why should i lower my test if im not having any high estrogenic sides? And idk what ur on about with HCG does it make PCT easier the answer is yes so there is no real reason to not be doing HCG sure you can do it during a cruise or before PCT but thats really just preference and doesn’t impact health or goals by a whole lot

Get off my fucking cock bruh I've done enough to be able to comment on whatever bullshit you're doing.

Using AI is directly inhibiting the conversion from T -> E which means that YES it does fuck up your hormones and using any AI will absolutely make you go out of the reference range. You're not an endocrinologist to be able to accurately determine the dose at which you should take aromasin. Muh muh insert most common dose that everyone says EOD. Ya good idea to just take whatever dose others say is most optimal.

Your second argument is even worse. Non-aromatizing AAS do not work as AIs. They are still androgens that just don't turn into estrogen but, more often than not, into DHT. Stacking them with test at a minimum effective dose (the dose at which you do NOT need an AI) is a great practice because you're keeping/increasing anabolic activity in your body while minimizing the imbalance between T and E.

If you aren't having any high estrogen effects you shouldn't lower test dose. I said lower it when you get high E symptoms instead of resorting to AIs.

Running HCG on blast is pointless because all you're doing is further desensitizing your Leydig cells for basically no reason for the duration of the entire cycle. Use HCG only on cruise or right before finishing cycle. Also yes it does impact health. Long term abuse/misuse will worsen your LH/FSH because you're artificially promoting sperm production instead of your brain doing it naturally. See how that might be problematic for PCT?

 

[narrator_313]

Get off my fucking cock bruh I've done enough to be able to comment on whatever bullshit you're doing.

Using AI is directly inhibiting the conversion from T -> E which means that YES it does fuck up your hormones and using any AI will absolutely make you go out of the reference range. You're not an endocrinologist to be able to accurately determine the dose at which you should take aromasin. Muh muh insert most common dose that everyone says EOD. Ya good idea to just take whatever dose others say is most optimal.

Your second argument is even worse. Non-aromatizing AAS do not work as AIs. They are still androgens that just don't turn into estrogen but, more often than not, into DHT. Stacking them with test at a minimum effective dose (the dose at which you do NOT need an AI) is a great practice because you're keeping/increasing anabolic activity in your body while minimizing the imbalance between T and E.

If you aren't having any high estrogen effects you shouldn't lower test dose. I said lower it when you get high E symptoms instead of resorting to AIs.

Running HCG on blast is pointless because all you're doing is further desensitizing your Leydig cells for basically no reason for the duration of the entire cycle. Use HCG only on cruise or right before finishing cycle. Also yes it does impact health. Long term abuse/misuse will worsen your LH/FSH because you're artificially promoting sperm production instead of your brain doing it naturally. See how that might be problematic for PCT?

Dnr bros never ran a cycle and is telling me what to do lmao everything you said is retarded

 

[Bishoplol]

Dnr bros never ran a cycle and is telling me what to do lmao everything you said is retarded

niggas be coping saying anything but listening to actual useful advice. Everything i've said is PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

 

[Aromasin]

You're not an endocrinologist to be able to accurately determine the dose at which you should take aromasin.

If an AI is used one should always check theyre E2 levels and from there adjust the dosage, an endocrinoligist cant magically see something from that you cant. (specific to the E2 levels only). AIs shouldnt be used really but hes still young asf and his clavicular can also fuse prematurely from that not just his growth plates.

 

[Aromasin]

Op i think you should drop the mast, the first cycle you ran was pretty good, only thing i would change would be the AI as i mentioned previously, many wont need one on 500mg and to drop the HGH dose but you alrdy did that.

HCG dosage is on point the other nigga had no idea

Orals will obviously give you a giga nice look because youre gonna be pretty dry, dont know how "soft" you looked on 500mgs. Id run the Eplerenone and Telmis and see how bloated you are and if its really bad you might wanna add an oral that wont age you that much. Mast transformations are brutal asf (if taken for like a year), they look 20 years older after.

Try getting Ru58841 and use it on your hair and face aswell

 

[Bishoplol]

HCG dosage is on point the other nigga had no idea

I didn't even comment on the dosage just under the circumstances it's retarded. HCG on full blast instead of just before? Literally no point unless you like desensitized Leydig cells.

If an AI is used one should always check theyre E2 levels and from there adjust the dosage

You really think this iqlet is doing that? He saw something like 6.25mg EOD and he'd just blast that blindly.

an endocrinoligist cant magically see something from that you cant.

The endocrinologist part was a joke.

AIs shouldnt be used really but hes still young asf and his clavicular can also fuse prematurely from that not just his growth plates.

If you're on gear worried about closing plates and thus using AIs, you've fucked up in the beginning

 

[Aromasin]

Literally no point unless you like desensitized Leydig cells.

that does not exist. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4854084/
500IUs HCG keep the ITT close to what it would be naturally thus leading to a recovery that is vastly accelerated when coming off, meaning faster recovery of spermatogenesis.

You really think this iqlet is doing that? He saw something like 6.25mg EOD and he'd just blast that blindly.

You need a starting dosage first, I dont think its a horrible one. im not sure if hes gonna get the labs done or not but yeah guessing the correct dosage blindy is shit.

If you're on gear worried about closing plates and thus using AIs, you've fucked up in the beginning

Not at all

 

[Bishoplol]

that does not exist. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4854084/
500IUs HCG keep the ITT close to what it would be naturally thus leading to a recovery that is vastly accelerated when coming off, meaning faster recovery of spermatogenesis.

Good study, I read most of it. I agree now that it might help, seeing more literature, but from what I've seen and heard it makes practically 0 difference because you're still relying on a compound to stimulate the LH. After hopping off you need natural LH stimulation. I partially agree with u on this however the concept of running it the entire cycle still seems pointless to me.

You need a starting dosage first, I dont think its a horrible one. im not sure if hes gonna get the labs done or not but yeah guessing the correct dosage blindy is shit.

That's the entire issue. If he's too lazy to pin daily or at least EOD, he isn't getting more bloods done just to find a healthy dose of AI.

Not at all

Disagree. You have so many other side effects to worry about and instead you're destabilizing yet another hormone that when out of balance causes a lot of harm. If you value height, which by the way you only grow once in your life (shocker, i know), you won't go on gear. Literally wait that one or two more years till u stop growing forever and THEN hop on.

 

[narrator_313]

Op i think you should drop the mast, the first cycle you ran was pretty good, only thing i would change would be the AI as i mentioned previously, many wont need one on 500mg and to drop the HGH dose but you alrdy did that.

HCG dosage is on point the other nigga had no idea

Orals will obviously give you a giga nice look because youre gonna be pretty dry, dont know how "soft" you looked on 500mgs. Id run the Eplerenone and Telmis and see how bloated you are and if its really bad you might wanna add an oral that wont age you that much. Mast transformations are brutal asf (if taken for like a year), they look 20 years older after.

Try getting Ru58841 and use it on your hair and face aswell

Im getting Mast for the masculisation as thats a part of my main goal: facial masculinisation, i will be getting bloodwork to see my e2 levels im the upcoming weeks on 6.25mg aromasin in the upcoming weeks so dont worry about that. Im pretty sure mast gives a pretty dry hard look aswell like anavar for example because their both dht derived. on 500mg test i didnt look soft imo i looked sharper than before i hopped on due to loss of babyfat and water around the face im running mast for like 3 or so months and im using topical retinoids so i dont think my face will age that much even if i do look a year or two older in my circumstance thats a plus for me because i do look younger for my age. I will also be getting RU soon aswell

Overall thanks for the good tips bhai

 

[narrator_313]

that does not exist. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4854084/
500IUs HCG keep the ITT close to what it would be naturally thus leading to a recovery that is vastly accelerated when coming off, meaning faster recovery of spermatogenesis.


You need a starting dosage first, I dont think its a horrible one. im not sure if hes gonna get the labs done or not but yeah guessing the correct dosage blindy is shit.


Not at all

For info my gp are already closed so im not much worried about them closing lol

 

[Aromasin]

LH. After hopping off you need natural LH stimulation. I partially agree with u on this however the concept of running it the entire cycle still seems pointless to me

I didn’t get that aswell; Taking something that further nukes your own Axis to recover the axis? How does that make sense?

But the ITT needs to be 50-100x higher than the Serum Testosterone, so if you now suddenly have 2k ng/dl in your blood your testicles will shut down. With the HCG that won’t matter anymore and your ITT will be at normal levels thus leading to no atrophy of the Gonads and a faster recovery rate when hopping off. Technically you won’t need that if you blast and cruise for a really long time, I’d probably introduce the hcg 5 months before hopping off

 

[Aromasin]

Literally wait that one or two more years till u stop growing forever and THEN hop on.

People already use AIs (and GH) to maximize their height, what problem is there of stacking testosterone to that

 

[2s2f]

Clav in your avi holding a gun so wrong

 

[2s2f]

Are you narrator on tiktok too?

 

[ccwb]

People already use AIs (and GH) to maximize their height, what problem is there of stacking testosterone to that

Makes sense
How much test would u recommend I’m 14
Prolly about 200 e right weekly

 

[Bishoplol]

People already use AIs (and GH) to maximize their height, what problem is there of stacking testosterone to that

Additional burden for estrogen. Not really a problem if you know how to take care of it all. Problem is that more often than not people don't know how to manage it.

But the ITT needs to be 50-100x higher than the Serum Testosterone, so if you now suddenly have 2k ng/dl in your blood your testicles will shut down. With the HCG that won’t matter anymore and your ITT will be at normal levels thus leading to no atrophy of the Gonads and a faster recovery rate when hopping off. Technically you won’t need that if you blast and cruise for a really long time, I’d probably introduce the hcg 5 months before hopping off

Makes sense, well said. I just don't like HCG on blasts. Personal preference tho.

 

[narrator_313]

Are you narrator on tiktok too?

Yup

 

[2s2f]

Yup

oh I follow you, I saw a edit you made that I liked

 

[Aromasin]

Makes sense
How much test would u recommend I’m 14
Prolly about 200 e right weekly

Not less then if you were 20,
Start with 200mg and up the dosage every 2-3weeks by 100mg and stay on cycle for 20 weeks.

And yeah Test E mogs P imo

 

[Aromasin]

Makes sense, well said. I just don't like HCG on blasts. Personal preference tho.

Holy chill response, not a lot of nice ppl around anymore.

Why don’t you like it?

 

[فاشل]

300mg masteron e split Monday Thursday

horrible, DHT = Looksmin

* Baby Aspirin: 1 tablet in the AM and 1 tablet in the PM.

Why are u taking this? wont do shit literally will only give you a gastric ulcer

The rest is fine ig but how tf are u going to sleep, especially on tren? you didnt include anything for sleep ur fucked.

Tren-induced insomnia is brutal af.

 

[wannabemogger]

What i ran last time:

500mg test e split monday thursday
8IU HGH ed (went down to 4 after about 3 weeks due to money troubles)
6.25mg aromasin EOD
500IU HCG EOD

Ancillaries: none

I felt great i had basically 0 side effects except for some back acne which was whatever

Next cycle im thinking of:

500mg test e split Monday Thursday
300mg masteron e split Monday Thursday
70mg tren ace per week (will stay at 70mg until i can buy ancillaries. will go up or down depending on how i feel)
500IU HCG EOD
dosing aromasin according to my bloodwork because mast might have enough anti estrogen properties for me to not need an AI

Ancillaries:

Telmisartan: 80mg per day.

* Cialis (Tadalafil): 5mg per day.

* Baby Aspirin: 1 tablet in the AM and 1 tablet in the PM.

* Eplernone 50mg per day

* Propranolol: 40mg prior to bed (only if the sympathetic nervous system is too active)

* P5p 100mg

* Taurine 2000mg

* Nac 1800mg

* Tudca 1200mg

* Ezetimibe 10mg

* Omega 3 5G

* memantine 2.5mg

* Injectable Glutathione 250-500mg

* BPC 500mcg

*4 litres of water a day

*5mg methylene blue

whats ur age, height bf
this influences what compounds you should do btw

 

[Bishoplol]

Holy chill response, not a lot of nice ppl around anymore.

Why don’t you like it?

I've used it on my first ever blast and compared it to the guys I was blasting with and had practically same recovery results as them. I'm sure it helps in users who struggle to recover with just PCT but honestly it's just a hassle for me.