My spiritual thoughts megathread (diary)

[GuyFromSingapore]

God is Omniscient(/Varuna), Omnipotent(/Indra) and Omnipresent(/Vishnu and Vayu). But which one of the 3 is the most important?

Jews and Hindus both agree that God is all 3.

But which one of the 3 "attributes" of God is more perceptible only in the deepest states of worship of God?

When you "encounter" God, do you "feel" all 3 about God simultaneouly... ?

Christianity says something about blaspheming the Holy Spirit aka the Presence of God being the most unforgivable sin. Why?... Is it because the Omniscience and Onnipotence of God is more easy to perceive?

OMNI~science, OMNI~potence, OMNI~ presence is the "everywhereness" of God.

Omniscience of God f.e. is God watching and knowing everything that happens everywhere. He sees and knows everything that happens to you and everything that happens everywhere, all-throughout space and time. Vedas say "a thousand eyes and arms hath Purusha"(meaning God sees everything everywhere or Infinite sight and Omnipotence i.e. "arms").

Well the Purusha Sukta is the expansion of consciousness that one has when one connects to God. That God is All-Inclusive through His "Everywhereness".

"Everywhereness"... Does that mean that the Beingness/Selfness/omni-PRESENCE of God is the basis of the Omniscience and Omnipotence of God? Wouldn't then, that means the Vedas say Vayu is the basis of Varuna and Indra? Or mention Vayu before Varuna and Indra when they are mentioned together?

The soul connects to God... This is a mystical experience... Individual existence connecting to the Universal/Infinite Existence. Everything is within God... God is both outside and inside time.

Jewish mysticism/Kabbalah says that the world is God's clothing. Meaning that the world is an external sheathe of God and that He is controlling it from within.

Everything you experience through the 5 senses is owing to God. God controls all of reality. Through His will(/Agni) and might(/Indra). This would be His Omnipotence.

By His powers, He put our souls in a body within this realm. But this entrapment can be weakened by ignoring His enchanting materialism that affects us by doing austerities and penance instead and seeking to forsake fulfilling all material desires through pleasure seeking I.e. God's grip over you. Like Indra getting threatened by Vishwamitra's tapas/penance.



Conclusion: there are levels to our connection to God as well different aspects of relating to God. This is the whole Vedas.

Some people are "closer" to God than others. Because they are more powerful souls who bask themselves in worship all day striving with theirs souls to connect more and more closely to God. So they have more flashes of realization of God and can interpret the scriptures better. That's the true meaning of a Hindu Brahmin or a Chassidic/Kabbalistic Jew.



The highest level is the Ein Sof(Kabbalah)/Infinite Light/Surya/Savitr.

 

[nestivv]

I like this thread

 

[trvechud]

God is Omniscient(/Varuna), Omnipotent(/Indra) and Omnipresent(/Vishnu and Vayu). But which one of the 3 is the most important?

Jews and Hindus both agree that God is all 3.

But which one of the 3 "attributes" of God is more perceptible only in the deepest states of worship of God?

When you "encounter" God, do you "feel" all 3 about God simultaneouly... ?

Christianity says something about blaspheming the Holy Spirit aka the Presence of God being the most unforgivable sin. Why?... Is it because the Omniscience and Onnipotence of God is more easy to perceive?

OMNI~science, OMNI~potence, OMNI~ presence is the "everywhereness" of God.

Omniscience of God f.e. is God watching and knowing everything that happens everywhere. He sees and knows everything that happens to you and everything that happens everywhere, all-throughout space and time. Vedas say "a thousand eyes and arms hath Purusha"(meaning God sees everything everywhere or Infinite sight and Omnipotence i.e. "arms").

Well the Purusha Sukta is the expansion of consciousness that one has when one connects to God. That God is All-Inclusive through His "Everywhereness".

"Everywhereness"... Does that mean that the Beingness/Selfness/omni-PRESENCE of God is the basis of the Omniscience and Omnipotence of God? Wouldn't then, that means the Vedas say Vayu is the basis of Varuna and Indra? Or mention Vayu before Varuna and Indra when they are mentioned together?

The soul connects to God... This is a mystical experience... Individual existence connecting to the Universal/Infinite Existence. Everything is within God... God is both outside and inside God.

Jewish mysticism/Kabbalah says that the world is God's clothing. Meaning that the world is an external sheathe of God and that He is controlling it from within.

Everything you experience through the 5 senses is owing to God. God controls all of reality. Through His will(/Agni) and might(/Indra). This would be His Omnipotence.

By His powers, He put our souls in a body within this realm. But this entrapment can be weakened by ignoring His enchanting materialism that affects us by doing austerities and penance instead and seeking to forsake fulfilling all material desires through pleasure seeking I.e. God's grip over you. Like Indra getting threatened by Vishwamitra's tapas/penance.



Conclusion: there are levels to our connection to God as well different aspects of relating to God. This is the whole Vedas.

Some people are "closer" to God than others. Because they are more powerful souls who bask themselves in worship all day striving with theirs souls to connect more and more closely to God. So they have more flashes of realization of God and can interpret the scriptures better. That's the true meaning of a Hindu Brahmin or a Chassidic/Kabbalistic Jew.



The highest level is the Ein Sof(Kabbalah)/Infinite Light/Surya/Savitr.

There is one god

 

[Frenulum]

God is everything and becomes a non personal being this way, you are god everyone is god, because we are part of the Universe which is god.

If you are everything you cannot become one sided, and categorize in good and bad, and punishment and reward.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

For the people who don't understand what I am talking about I understand that. Because I have been in that place before when I wasn't worshipping God.

These are deep and profound insights acquired through individual mystical union with God.

I can't show you God and say "hey! Look!". I can only inspire you to connect to God by yourself. It's individual process. You attaining God yourself.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

There is one god

I didn't say otherwise.

 

[navagraha]

If God is the greatest greatness, it is a being that can be conceived so that nothing greater can be conceived, but not be greater than anything conceivable, however, if it existed only in the intellect, its actual existence would be greater. If God is, by definition, that which is beyond the scope of human capabilities, technology is God

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

If God is the greatest greatness, it is a being that can be conceived so that nothing greater can be conceived, but not be greater than anything conceivable, however, if it existed only in the intellect, its actual existence would be greater. If God is, by definition, that which is beyond the scope of human capabilities, technology is God

God includes His Self and everything/the universe.

 

[navagraha]

God includes His Self and everything/the universe.

If the self is the thinking subject, God cannot have a self because thinking is an action, and actions are time-dependent, which would limit God. God cannot be the greatest greatness that would be greater and have a self.

 

[navagraha]

If God is the greatest greatness, it is a being that can be conceived so that nothing greater can be conceived, but not be greater than anything conceivable, however, if it existed only in the intellect, its actual existence would be greater. If God is, by definition, that which is beyond the scope of human capabilities, technology is God

If the self is the thinking subject, God cannot have a self because thinking is an action, and actions are time-dependent, which would limit God. God cannot be the greatest greatness that would be greater and have a self.

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@PrinceLuenLeoncur

This is retarded logic, and parameters that Orthdooxy does not subscribe to hence I’m not beholden to nor limited by such base idiotic philosophical jargon. God is greatest, God is greatest for he is above all, God isn’t separate from his mind, his personhood and his being and energies, they are distinct but not separate. The trinity unironically refutes this nonsense by its own conception . As created beings we cannot conceive of God that’s why we only know of God through his energies that he uses to interact with us, his being is ineffable and beyond he is Asea. His word is how we come to interact with him via Christ who took on a human nature of flesh to dwell with us. So no you cannot “conceive of God” but we as humans can understand the concept of superiority jsut not to its fullest extent which is what God at his very level is. With Muslims and other dumb gay religions you’d have an argument but with us you get rkt

Infact is there is no Knower than even your statement is irrelevant and meaningless as nothing has a meaning therefore every predicate loses its content and thus reasoning logic and rational cease to exist and hence your entire argument is just gobbledegoooop and meaningless

See, you fail by default as your arguing against the existence of an being that is the grounding and neccecity for reason logic and other transcendental categories to deny his existence is to deny knowledge at all leaving you with your pants down

 

[navagraha]

This is retarded logic, and parameters that Orthdooxy does not subscribe to hence I’m not beholden to nor limited by such base idiotic philosophical jargon. God is greatest, God is greatest for he is above all, God isn’t separate from his mind, his personhood and his being and energies, they are distinct but not separate. The trinity unironically refutes this nonsense by its own conception . As created beings we cannot conceive of God that’s why we only know of God through his energies that he uses to interact with us, his being is ineffable and beyond he is Asea. His word is how we come to interact with him via Christ who took on a human nature of flesh to dwell with us. So no you cannot “conceive of God” but we as humans can understand the concept of superiority jsut not to its fullest extent which is what God at his very level is. With Muslims and other dumb gay religions you’d have an argument but with us you get rkt

Infact is there is no Knower than even your statement is irrelevant and meaningless as nothing has a meaning therefore every predicate loses its content and thus reasoning logic and rational cease to exist and hence your entire argument is just gobbledegoooop and meaningless

See, you fail by default as your arguing against the existence of an being that is the grounding and neccecity for reason logic and other transcendental categories to deny his existence is to deny knowledge at all leaving you with your pants down

(1) Something greater that would be greater is not particularly conceivable by definition. Technology is not known either in the same conception in the God your imagining.

(2) Yourself is the knower.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

(1) Something greater that would be greater is not particularly conceivable by definition. Technology is not known either in the same conception in the God your imagining.

(2) Yourself is the knower.

You cannot conceive of Gods greatness to begin with the Bible even states this once again you fail at basic philosophy

How are you the knower what circular argument shit is this?? To know anything requires prerequisites that you yourslef already assume to be true as I statued before which you cannot verify as the case if there’s no coherent justification given for your sense data being accurate. Everything you see are just random haphazard neurotic firings which just tell you what helps you survive but that doesn’t necessitate truth infact you don’t even know if everything your seeing and feeling is just an psychological projection of falsehoods. Remeber the senses we have if there’s no god aren’t there for deciphering truth but are there for survival so once again YOU CANNOT SAY YOU KNOW ANYTHING AND JUSTIFY SHIT THIS COLLAPSES EPISTOMOLOGY, ETHICS, LOGIC ETC

Nice try but your beliefs are fuckin retarded you failed at making an account for your own fucking sentence as that’s also impossible

 

[got.daim]

God is Omniscient(/Varuna), Omnipotent(/Indra) and Omnipresent(/Vishnu and Vayu). But which one of the 3 is the most important?

Jews and Hindus both agree that God is all 3.

But which one of the 3 "attributes" of God is more perceptible only in the deepest states of worship of God?

When you "encounter" God, do you "feel" all 3 about God simultaneouly... ?

Christianity says something about blaspheming the Holy Spirit aka the Presence of God being the most unforgivable sin. Why?... Is it because the Omniscience and Onnipotence of God is more easy to perceive?

OMNI~science, OMNI~potence, OMNI~ presence is the "everywhereness" of God.

Omniscience of God f.e. is God watching and knowing everything that happens everywhere. He sees and knows everything that happens to you and everything that happens everywhere, all-throughout space and time. Vedas say "a thousand eyes and arms hath Purusha"(meaning God sees everything everywhere or Infinite sight and Omnipotence i.e. "arms").

Well the Purusha Sukta is the expansion of consciousness that one has when one connects to God. That God is All-Inclusive through His "Everywhereness".

"Everywhereness"... Does that mean that the Beingness/Selfness/omni-PRESENCE of God is the basis of the Omniscience and Omnipotence of God? Wouldn't then, that means the Vedas say Vayu is the basis of Varuna and Indra? Or mention Vayu before Varuna and Indra when they are mentioned together?

The soul connects to God... This is a mystical experience... Individual existence connecting to the Universal/Infinite Existence. Everything is within God... God is both outside and inside time.

Jewish mysticism/Kabbalah says that the world is God's clothing. Meaning that the world is an external sheathe of God and that He is controlling it from within.

Everything you experience through the 5 senses is owing to God. God controls all of reality. Through His will(/Agni) and might(/Indra). This would be His Omnipotence.

By His powers, He put our souls in a body within this realm. But this entrapment can be weakened by ignoring His enchanting materialism that affects us by doing austerities and penance instead and seeking to forsake fulfilling all material desires through pleasure seeking I.e. God's grip over you. Like Indra getting threatened by Vishwamitra's tapas/penance.



Conclusion: there are levels to our connection to God as well different aspects of relating to God. This is the whole Vedas.

Some people are "closer" to God than others. Because they are more powerful souls who bask themselves in worship all day striving with theirs souls to connect more and more closely to God. So they have more flashes of realization of God and can interpret the scriptures better. That's the true meaning of a Hindu Brahmin or a Chassidic/Kabbalistic Jew.



The highest level is the Ein Sof(Kabbalah)/Infinite Light/Surya/Savitr.

TL;DR?

 

[got.daim]

You cannot conceive of Gods greatness to begin with the Bible even states this once again you fail at basic philosophy

How are you the knower? To know anything requires prerequisites that you yourslef already assume to be true as I statued before which you cannot verify as the case if there’s no coherent justification given for your sense data being accurate. Everything you see are just random haphazard neurotic firings which just tell you what helps you survive but that doesn’t necessitate truth infact you don’t even know if everything your seeing and feeling is just an psychological projection of falsehoods. Remeber the senses we have if there’s no god aren’t there for deciphering truth but are there for survival so once again YOU CANNOT SAY YOU KNOW ANYTHING AND JUSTIFY SHIT THIS COLLAPSES EPISTOMOLOGY, ETHICS, LOGIC ETC

Nice try but your beliefs are fuckin retarded you failed at making an account for your own fucking sentence as that’s also impossible

What religion are you

 

[navagraha]

How are you the knower what circular argument shit is this?? To know anything requires prerequisites that you yourslef already assume to be true as I statued before which you cannot verify as the case if there’s no coherent justification given for your sense data being accurate. Everything you see are just random haphazard neurotic firings which just tell you what helps you survive but that doesn’t necessitate truth infact you don’t even know if everything your seeing and feeling is just an psychological projection of falsehoods. Remeber the senses we have if there’s no god aren’t there for deciphering truth but are there for survival so once again YOU CANNOT SAY YOU KNOW ANYTHING AND JUSTIFY SHIT THIS COLLAPSES EPISTOMOLOGY, ETHICS, LOGIC ETC

How do you account for sense perception then on purely materialistic grounds? Does external matter strike you body in specific locations, setting off a chain of various oscillations acoording to the laws of mechanics, and senstion is just how you experience motions in the brain? That it means to experience, if there is no such thing as the mind nor why we only experience these motion in the brain be not elsewhere is left entirely unclear, which is a bit of a problem.

If reason is invalid through process of thought, you cannot justify the premise that justified this. This is total epistemic suicide.

You cannot conceive of Gods greatness

You can conceive of the essence of god. You would be saying you reject that you cannot conceive of God's essence, and thereby even worship such a being for that matter.

 

[navagraha]

What religion are you

hes orthodox

 

[got.daim]

hes orthodox

What is your banner + avi combo

 

[navagraha]

What is your banner + avi combo

martinet press's neo aum book and the mandala of the two realms

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How do you account for sense perception then on purely materialistic grounds? Does external matter strike you body in specific locations, setting off a chain of various oscillations acoording to the laws of mechanics, and senstion is just how you experience motions in the brain? That it means to experience, if there is no such thing as the mind nor why we only experience these motion in the brain be not elsewhere is left entirely unclear, which is a bit of a problem.

If reason is invalid through process of thought, you cannot justify the premise that justified this. This is total epistemic suicide.



You can conceive of the essence of god. You would be saying you reject that you cannot conceive of God's essence, and thereby even worship such a being for that matter.

Exactly and you subscribe to epistemic suicide as you cannot ground anything in something that’s necessary. As a GAYtheidt You use reason, truth, and meaning — but your worldview cannot justify them.

As I said before regarding EPISTOMOLOGY
Why should your thoughts correspond to reality:
Your brain is shaped by survival, not truth

Evolution selects for:

• Utility
• Not necessarily accuracy

This is similar to arguments by Alvin Plantinga (Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism)



Pure physics → describes motion, particles, forces

But experience (qualia) → first-person reality

Mind is not reducible to matter. Humans are body + soul, not just biology


In order to argue against God, you are already using things that only make sense if God exists.

• Logic → requires immaterial universals
• Truth → requires absolute grounding
• Knowledge → requires trustworthy cognition
• Meaning → requires purpose
• These are grounded in:
• The Logos (Christ)
• A rational, personal God

 

[navagraha]

Exactly and you subscribe to epistemic suicide as you cannot ground anything in something that’s necessary. As a GAYtheidt You use reason, truth, and meaning — but your worldview cannot justify them.

A positive case is failing against a negative should not have another positive to compete against the former positive until the former positive and negative are addressed. So I will not yet assert my personal positive case; doing so would be counterproductive. All that there is to recognize currently is the positive and negative, not to introduce another positive yet.

As I said before regarding EPISTOMOLOGY
Why should your thoughts correspond to reality:
Your brain is shaped by survival, not truth

Evolution selects for:

• Utility
• Not necessarily accuracy

This is similar to arguments by Alvin Plantinga (Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism)



Pure physics → describes motion, particles, forces

But experience (qualia) → first-person reality

Mind is not reducible to matter. Humans are body + soul, not just biology

(1) If evolution drives man rather than reason, this would also be true for God's conception.

(2) You did not respond to my argument on the necessary conception of god.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

A positive case is failing against a negative should not have another positive to compete against the former positive until the former positive and negative are addressed. So I will not yet assert my personal positive case; doing so would be counterproductive. All that there is to recognize currently is the positive and negative, not to introduce another positive yet.

(1) If evolution drives man rather than reason, this would also be true for God's conception.

(2) You did not respond to my argument on the necessary conception of god.

Nope because Gods a necessity not a contingent being. If Gods real then content and other trancendetal categories can be answered. If not then your just speaking jibberish and nothing has any meaning beyond what you personally subscribe to it and thus therefore is bullshit.


I don’t need to answer your bullshit arguments beyond this and I don’t even know what you mean to “conception of God” I don’t get what you mean very broad term could mean anything, not that it matters. Provide a justification for transcendental categories, if you’re unable to do so (which you will because GAYtheism leads to Overt skepticism and nihilism) then you have failed and there’s nothin to discuss here.

 

[navagraha]

Nope because Gods a necessity not a contingent being. If Gods real then content and other trancendetal categories can be answered. If not then your just speaking jibberish and nothing has any meaning beyond what you personally subscribe to it and thus therefore is bullshit.

I never argued for athiesm; I've argued that technology is God with the necessary definition of God. This definition of God does not align with your God.

I don’t even know what you mean to “conception of God” I don’t get what you mean very broad term could mean anything, not that it matters

It absolutely matters. If my case is true, your God is false.

God is defined by being the greatest thing that would be greater because to say that a thing is not the greatest thing that would be greater would mean that it is not the most powerful. By definition technology is God.

Provide a justification for transcendental categories, if you’re unable to do so (which you will because GAYtheism leads to Overt skepticism and nihilism) then you have failed and there’s nothin to discuss here.

Saying you want a justification for a positive case means that you have considered that there are possible other positive cases. That your belief in God solely based on your fear of nilihism, rather than true faith. Christian faith is what makes a Christian a Christian. Reasoning has been to shield fear.

Objectivity regards the world, whereas subjectivity regards the person. Objective knowledge advancement is to secure the resources to let the subjective allocate the resources to their desires. Objective and subjective ability are equally important. The function of spirituality, then, is to discern better subjectivity. Dogmatic spirituality, religion, in inverse to non-dogmatic spirituality, is necessarily parasitic. It prevents you to do what want with your person. Religion distorts reality.

Praxeology is the study of purposeful behavior founded by Mises in the book Human Action. An axiom of praxeology is that man acts to reduce unease. For example, a Christian might not sin to because they believe they will go to Hell, and Hell is unpleasant. All human action works toward pleasure. Pleasure cannot be unpleasurable; by definition contradiction. The following introduce logical actions for men to best fulfill their ends accordingly:

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I never argued for athiesm; I've argued that technology is God with the necessary definition of God. This definition of God does not align with your God.


It absolutely matters. If my case is true, your God is false.

God is defined by being the greatest thing that would be greater because to say that a thing is not the greatest thing that would be greater would mean that it is not the most powerful. By definition technology is God.

Saying you want a justification for a positive case means that you have considered that there are possible other positive cases. That your belief in God solely based on your fear of nilihism, rather than true faith. Christian faith is what makes a Christian a Christian. Reasoning has been to shield fear.

Objectivity regards the world, whereas subjectivity regards the person. Objective knowledge advancement is to secure the resources to let the subjective allocate the resources to their desires. Objective and subjective ability are equally important. The function of spirituality, then, is to discern better subjectivity. Dogmatic spirituality, religion, in inverse to non-dogmatic spirituality, is necessarily parasitic. It prevents you to do what want with your person. Religion distorts reality.

Praxeology is the study of purposeful behavior founded by Mises in the book Human Action. An axiom of praxeology is that man acts to reduce unease. For example, a Christian might not sin to because they believe they will go to Hell, and Hell is unpleasant. All human action works toward pleasure. Pleasure cannot be unpleasurable; by definition contradiction. The following introduce logical actions for men to best fulfill their ends accordingly:

This word salad retardation jargon “God with the necessary definition of God. This definition of God does not align with your God.”

No by no fucking means is this the case dude just stop you’re outta your depth my nigga

Technology cannot be god as it’s not the highest conceivable thing not only that but it didn’t fit the concept of God in a theological Philopshical standpoint.

• Necessary (cannot not exist)
• Eternal
• Uncaused
• Immutable
• The ground of all being

Technology is:

• Created
• Contingent (depends on humans, materials, laws of physics)
• Changing constantly
• Limited

This is fails this test to begin with

2) you make category errors

God == ultimate metaphysical reality the true Axiom of you will.

Technology is a tool, artefacts utilising material things. Literally like saying maths is God it’s a catagory error and jargon


YOUR CASE ISN'T TRUE BECAUSE JT RELIES ON CATEGORY ERROES WHICH I ALREADY POINTED OUT IN MY FIRST MSG TO YOU. Your argument falls apart when it begins and ends with a fallacy making it illogical by default. Your argument requires God to be redifined, which I told you already I WONT DO I do not subscribe to your retarded Paradigm. You have yet to make an account for EPISTOMOLOGY and you have yet to prove tech is the ultimate metaphysical reality leading to a NON SEQUITUR yet another fallacy


I don’t believe in God out of fear but because it’s true. That’s a fallacy yet again a genetic fallacy, even if I belived due to my psychological report the fact is that doesn’t determine what’s true or false

Now you go on to make other outlandish claims and assertions about RELGION not worth my time combatting just jargon idiotic shit with no substance.


Subjective optimisation?:

Once again if that’s the case then no truth claims == no knowledge as knowing requires there to be truth and false hence you can’t argue as now you cannot add content to sentences and words etc . Best part is you contradict calling relgions parasitic is an objective claim which by your own bullshit logic you already refuted yourself like an idiot. Reality is you’ll never be able to redefine God, nor reducing Truth to psychology and pleasure, what idiocy.


You tried to make your argument sound philosophical but it failed very test and ended up commiting numerous fallacies in the process. It’s truly remarkable people like you exist