My Weekend daygame and clubbing report

[6ft4]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

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On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

Beyond bruutal.

Finnish foids definitely aint it. If comparing with Baltic states.

Idk how bad then is Ireland if Finland is good .

 

[Deleted member 52946]

who is actually going to read this? write about something useful at least

 

[MostGLSlayer]

You wrote all that just for me to not rd a single molecule.

 

[ChadL1te]

Read some of it, kind of brutal though. I must say you have a knack for writing in detail

 

[try2beme]

Dnrd

 

[Moggedbyevery1]

 

[AspiringMogger]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

 

[ascension]

All the women interested in getting dick have already found a Dravidian mogger to pipe them by 3 AM.

 

[6ft4]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

I had intentions of heading home at 4am after clubs closed but I was walking around in circles unable to figure out where I was going due to intoxication

 

[Deleted member 66828]

who is actually going to read this? write about something useful at least

i did

 

[Deleted member 66828]

did read, brutal man

tbh im surprised that you didnt slay, i was almosr certain that you would be able to pull someone

 

[Kroker]

Sorry to sound mean but who the fuck is going to read a wiki page about a random guy on the internet past midnight adventures?!

Could've at least summarized it.

 

[AustinCutler]

give a tldr nigger

 

[j05]

where is this

 

[6ft4]

did read, brutal man

tbh im surprised that you didnt slay, i was almosr certain that you would be able to pull someone

Dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore
I'm just going to approach the girls I consider the most attractive from now on since I see many who I consider very attractive and not care if I get a slay or not.
It's my view that it's better to be rejected by an attractive foid than led on by a LTB/MTB

where is this

Helsinki

 

[HTN_Mentalcel]

@ascension cope

 

[Deleted member 66828]

Dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore
I'm just going to approach the girls I consider the most attractive from now on since I see many who I consider very attractive and not care if I get a slay or not.
It's my view that it's better to be rejected by an attractive foid than led on by a LTB/MTB

yeah and you always regret dumpster diving in the morning, not worth it imo

 

[New Poster]

will read later

 

[MoggerGaston]

yeah and you always regret dumpster diving in the morning, not worth it imo

the whole point of dumper-diving is that it comes easy and without effort.

You shoot your shot with the baddies, for some reason it doesn't work and ur feeling down. Oh there is the MTB to go home with you after flirting with her for a minute.

Never regretted dumpster-diving. The female validation is welcome after a rough night.
It's the baddies who wasted your time and energy. Becky was just there to make you feel better and suck your cock.

 

[Deleted member 66828]

the whole point of dumper-diving is that it comes easy and without effort.

You shoot your shot with the baddies, for some reason it doesn't work and ur feeling down. Oh there is the MTB to go home with you after flirting with her for a minute.

Never regretted dumpster-diving. The female validation is welcome after a rough night.
It's the baddies who wasted your time and energy. Becky was just there to make you feel better and suck your cock.

works only if ur gl

 

[Gengar]

I’m surprised there weren’t more ethnics at the club.

 

[MoggerGaston]

works only if ur gl

LTB is always on the menu even when you're not gl.

 

[6ft4]

Today I decided to go for a walk around to check out some areas and since I was mentally fatigued I didn't plan on approaching but I also decided not to rule it out.
I was getting the bus back to my place and stopped off at the shop then was about to get the final bus back to my place assuming no approach would come into play but then I seen a girl sitting alone at the bus stop I had to go to.
I walked up to the bus stop and stood outside the shelter part with my back to her as she was sitting down within the shelter
Then I took a step back into the shelter but still with my back to her
Then I realized this was too easy an opportunity not to take so I turned around to her and asked her which bus she was waiting on and she took out her headphones and answered me
I then asked her if the busses run less often on sunday and i misheard her answer but then she repeated herself to tell me they do run less often.
My mind went completely blank then and because I hadn't planned out the convo in my mind enough prior I just said thanks and turned back around to stand the way I was prior to the approach effectively ending the convo.
It was bittersweet because at least I came up with something to say to initiate the approach but brutally bottled it by not pushing further and asking her more questions or hitting on her.
As I seen my bus appearing on the horizon I thought maybe I could throw a hail mary and start speaking to her again and ask for the number before the bus arrived but it's just a low level game tryna do that.
I have to be able to maintain the convo and escelate in future
I didn't get a really good look at her until I started talking to her but when I did I realized she was better looking than I first thought, fucking brutal but at least I managed to speak with a commanding voice this time and not a nervous cuck voice

Also I seen another foid today who looked about 192cm jfl

 

[Willmogulater]

Problem is ur short

 

[6ft4]

I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

This foid has since sent me a message saying that I am extremely goodlooking and she regrets not leaving the club with me.
I think this is solid confirmation that I can't dumpster dive for lower level girls post surgery because they feel too insecure about themselves to have sex with a Celtic TFBEM with an absence of bite deformity

 

[Klaas Vaaker]

This foid has since sent me a message saying that I am extremely goodlooking and she regrets not leaving the club with me.
I think this is solid confirmation that I can't dumpster dive for lower level girls post surgery because they feel too insecure about themselves to have sex with a Celtic TFBEM with an absence of bite deformity

cope also stop with the retarded fond colour, dnr because of that

 

[6ft4]

I went to an amusement park today by myself which felt somewhat awkward given the age of most of the people there
Anyone over 21 seemed to be in a couple or a parent
I was sitting on one of the rides waiting for it to begin then seen a foid I found very ideal facially (who was also chubby) walked up to the barrier where the line starts (there was no line) and was looking at someone who was on the ride while making a gesture so I figured she knew someone on the ride but couldn't see who it was.
Anyway time passed and I went on a few more rides and did have one foid walking by who looked at me for an extended period but I wasn't mentally prepared to approach.

Then I seen the foid from earlier who I thought was ideal walking with her female friend who was kinda similar to her but not as attractive.
I decided to follow them from a distance thinking I would just stop them and approach the one I wanted but then I seen the one I wanted was going onto a ride by herself while her friend stayed behind this time.
I followed her into the queue for the ride and had perfect opportunity to start a convo so I asked if she was from this city and she seemed kinda nervous so I thought she was gonna ignore me at first but she said yes then I asked if she has been here before and she said yes so I asked if she enjoyed it and she said yes so I figured she wasn't comfortable with the convo so I didn't push for anything more.

When we went to get onto the rollercoaster she got into the very front seat on the left leaving the right seat open so I just sat beside her but didn't say anything.
As the ride was slowly starting I asked if she had been on this one before and when I looked across at her she was smiling and said she has been then I said that she chose the best seat and I think she may have responded with something short again.
Then the ride finished and I was waiting to see where the way to the exit was
She exited first then I followed but by that point she was already walking away with a few steps ahead of me so the chance to ask anything further was gone.
I should've asked for a number as soon as the ride stopped.
I kept an eye on her and her friend from a distance debating if I could try bump into her again and ask for the number but just decided to leave it.
Because I seen her smiling as mentioned I figured she wasn't extremely freaked out by me even tho her one word answers may make it seem like she was but she may have also seen me on the earlier ride which just failoed me too much to her.
I walked around for another bit thinking it was time to leave then seen another foid hold eye contact with me but I wasn't sharp enough mentally to approach and felt a bit disappointed from the approach I did.

On the way home I was walking on a street with nobody else on it and seen a tall foid of 6' or more walking towards me (she also had earphones in) so I stopped her and said "How are you" then asked if she had a minute like Bartek PUA would then because I couldn't really tell what she was saying in her responses I asked if she spoke English and she said a bit so I think I asked if she had a minute again just to ensure she wasn't in a rush but she didn't seem like she knew how to respond then I was aware the whole approach was a shit show so I just asked for her number and she politely declined, I cant even remember what she said but she understood what I asked.
I asked if I could get her number in the tone you speak in when you're trying to get a non native speaker to understand what you're saying which may have been a bit of a failo tone
I had no investment in this one since she wasn't my type facially and there was a complete fashion-archetype mismatch in the sense I was wearing peacock maxxing trackies and trainers which was an outfit I regretted not long after leaving the house while she was wearing a demin jacket and other somewhat respectable non gymwear clothes.
I just wanted to get the muscle working whereby I approach everytime there is a straight forward chance with nobody nearby

Also when I was at the amusement park for one of the rides the Stacey worker asked my height since there was a limit of 195 so she asked if she could measure me so I had to get under the height measure thing that was set to 196 so I asked if I could take off my shoes then she asked me to move my head back and forth underneath it so it didn't scrape it and that was it.
If I hadn't completely abandoned all the fucks I had left on this trip I could imagine it being somewhat embarrasing.
Also to note, I seen another giga tall foid again today 192cm+

That's 6 sober approaches with nothing to show for it so far but I will not stop

 

[Veganist]

Reading 'day game' immediately makes me want to throw up

 

[LilJojo]

I went to an amusement park today by myself which felt somewhat awkward given the age of most of the people there
Anyone over 21 seemed to be in a couple or a parent
I was sitting on one of the rides waiting for it to begin then seen a foid I found very ideal facially (who was also chubby) walked up to the barrier where the line starts (there was no line) and was looking at someone who was on the ride while making a gesture so I figured she knew someone on the ride but couldn't see who it was.
Anyway time passed and I went on a few more rides and did have one foid walking by who looked at me for an extended period but I wasn't mentally prepared to approach.

Then I seen the foid from earlier who I thought was ideal walking with her female friend who was kinda similar to her but not as attractive.
I decided to follow them from a distance thinking I would just stop them and approach the one I wanted but then I seen the one I wanted was going onto a ride by herself while her friend stayed behind this time.
I followed her into the queue for the ride and had perfect opportunity to start a convo so I asked if she was from this city and she seemed kinda nervous so I thought she was gonna ignore me at first but she said yes then I asked if she has been here before and she said yes so I asked if she enjoyed it and she said yes so I figured she wasn't comfortable with the convo so I didn't push for anything more.

When we went to get onto the rollercoaster she got into the very front seat on the left leaving the right seat open so I just sat beside her but didn't say anything.
As the ride was slowly starting I asked if she had been on this one before and when I looked across at her she was smiling and said she has been then I said that she chose the best seat and I think she may have responded with something short again.
Then the ride finished and I was waiting to see where the way to the exit was
She exited first then I followed but by that point she was already walking away with a few steps ahead of me so the chance to ask anything further was gone.
I should've asked for a number as soon as the ride stopped.
I kept an eye on her and her friend from a distance debating if I could try bump into her again and ask for the number but just decided to leave it.
Because I seen her smiling as mentioned I figured she wasn't extremely freaked out by me even tho her one word answers may make it seem like she was but she may have also seen me on the earlier ride which just failoed me too much to her.
I walked around for another bit thinking it was time to leave then seen another foid hold eye contact with me but I wasn't sharp enough mentally to approach and felt a bit disappointed from the approach I did.

On the way home I was walking on a street with nobody else on it and seen a tall foid of 6' or more walking towards me (she also had earphones in) so I stopped her and said "How are you" then asked if she had a minute like Bartek PUA would then because I couldn't really tell what she was saying in her responses I asked if she spoke English and she said a bit so I think I asked if she had a minute again just to ensure she wasn't in a rush but she didn't seem like she knew how to respond then I was aware the whole approach was a shit show so I just asked for her number and she politely declined, I cant even remember what she said but she understood what I asked.
I asked if I could get her number in the tone you speak in when you're trying to get a non native speaker to understand what you're saying which may have been a bit of a failo tone
I had no investment in this one since she wasn't my type facially and there was a complete fashion-archetype mismatch in the sense I was wearing peacock maxxing trackies and trainers which was an outfit I regretted not long after leaving the house while she was wearing a demin jacket and other somewhat respectable non gymwear clothes.
I just wanted to get the muscle working whereby I approach everytime there is a straight forward chance with nobody nearby

Also when I was at the amusement park for one of the rides the Stacey worker asked my height since there was a limit of 195 so she asked if she could measure me so I had to get under the height measure thing that was set to 196 so I asked if I could take off my shoes then she asked me to move my head back and forth underneath it so it didn't scrape it and that was it.
If I hadn't completely abandoned all the fucks I had left on this trip I could imagine it being somewhat embarrasing.
Also to note, I seen another giga tall foid again today 192cm+

That's 6 sober approaches with nothing to show for it so far but I will not stop

why are there so many chubsters in Finland or wherever the fuck you are

 

[WishIwasChico]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

Bro decided to log into looksmax and SPIT FACTS

 

[panjeet currycel]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

wats pipe

 

[6ft4]

I walked around the city this evening
The first approachable foid I seen was a Stacey who was walking with a bunch of Asians behind her but it took me a second to figure there were no other whites around her.
She was looking at her phone but it was definitely a situation where I could've approached but I wasn't mentally prepared tp approach a Stacey even though she looked cute.
I'm noticing it's more common here for high looks level girls to look cute/high trust which I dont think is generally the case

As I was crossing a street a bit further on some foid was looking at me enough to sense it was an IOI, she had dark hair and looked a little bit high maintenance so it was decent to get that potential IOI.
I could've pulled the trigger and tried stop her in the middle part of the street crossing but I wasn't fully motivated to approach her.

Then I walked on a bit further and I just had a couple of seconds to react when I seen a blonde chubster walking towards me so I said
"How are you?"
she went to keep walking past me but I stayed directing my look towards her and she stopped to the point where we were both facing the opposite direction from what we started then I said
"do you have a minute"
I cant recall what she said then I said:
"I know this is very forward but I think you look cute so I wanted to come talk to you/say hello" (forget which one it was) but I sensed by her body language that she took some validation from that
Then I believe she just said "hi" in response so I asked if she was from Finland and she said yes
I had a script to go into from this point but based on her body language I sensed she wanted to keep moving but I remained calm and didn't act like I was trying to rush things to suit her then I said the following while smiling:
"You look very anxious" to try and show awareness to the situation that she wanted to keep moving but expressing I was here to have a laugh with her
and she said "yeah I have to go meet my friends"
so I asked where she was meeting her friends and she said "down there" and pointed so I asked if they were going drinking tonight and she said they weren't
I knew I could've kept going with the conversation to try showcase myself as being more socially proficient but since she clearly wanted to keep going I just asked if I could get her number and she said sometthing like "no maybe not this time" which I felt was her way of trying to word the refusal softly so I walked on

I took this approach as a win because I felt very in control like I didn't have to panic or change my behaviour to try get a good reaction from her, I felt stoic like she was following my command by having her stop and engage.
Yes I was quite low energy with it but this was the first approach where I put genuine interest on the table from the beginning and although I didn't stick to my script of saying she looks like a typically finnish girl and comment on her features then ask her to guess where Im from then talk about things stemming from that, I still made it from the start to the end without feeling like I was gonna go fully blank and end things abruptly
I did kind of zone out around the point where she said she was gonna meet her friends, I could've asked what their plans were specifically but my inner monologue sometimes disappears in situations like this because of how out of the ordinary it feels for me and it doesnt have autopilot to replace it with which I think is the case for most NTs.

I also have a bad cold at the moment meaning my voice is giga deep but hoarsed with a hint of nasaly meaning it's a sub optimal voice for a convo with someone you just met, particualrly while I'm already naturally low energy and monotone.
I also have a bit of a sore on my bottom lip which could be offputting to people who notice it as I'm trying to speak to them as a stranger.

I decided to go straight back home after this approach because I know how my brain works and banking the XP and sleeping on it without anything ruining my buzz was the best strategy.
I also felt that due to the temperature and hiumidity my cold was just gonna get worse if I stayed out any longer and I'd prefer to just rest up this evening and hope my voice has improved tomorrow and I can start the approaching earlier now that I have a loose script prepared and have a legitfeeling approach under my belt

Something that I spoke about earlier in this thread though is that chubsters who are low self esteem may legit not ever give me a chance again because they may not believe I'd be willing to LTR them and just assume I dont have the right intentions now that I no longer have a jaw deformity

Something else to note is that I'm paying no attention to whether people around me witness my approaches because I find it harder to worry about the opinions of blonde males (no hate here just a natural feeling) and also the idea that Finn males wouldn't do street approaches makes me feel a sense of alphaness from doing it. Although it's understandable that street approaching in your own country you grew up in feels awakward and not worth it.

I really just need to go for a stacey/staceylite approach next time I see one who's cute and the opportunity is there
You might say my results would obviously be worse with them but I'm starting to think that just shedding the mental baggage of that assumption could open up a whole new world to realizing that they're actually more polite, largely due to knowing that every guy below their own looks level would be eager to LTR them so they know guys aren't willing to risk approaching them while believing they have a chance to pump and dump

 

[forevergymcelling]

Great thread, read every word. Love hearing about your night out escapades.

Mirin your inhb ascension. Like I said in my thread, UK and Ireland are death tier. The girls are hotter fucking everywhere else and slaying is so much easier.

How do you think my pheno would do in Finland? I've yet to visit Northern Europe

 

[forevergymcelling]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

Not always though. I've found that approaching in kebab shops / McDonalds or the street at the end of the night is a million times easier than in the club

For me its bars > night street game > clubs

 

[forevergymcelling]

Fuaark this is motivating me to finally pull the trigger and come approaching with you in Dublin

The only cold approach I ever done the girl was insanely receptive, laughing and smiling at everything I was saying, if I had asked her out I'm certain she would've agreed. This shit seems way more effective than jestering in the club like a chimp

Another day game success story

my 21 year old coworker did his first daytime 'approach' He was eating breakfast at a restaurant with his friend. He thought the waitress was hot asf (showed me a pic, she was high sex appeal indeed). Apparently she smiled at him when she took the order. When he finished eating, just as he was...

looksmax.org

Starting to think day game is the only way

A lot of you are gonna think this is a LARP but whatever I was speaking to some foid I slayed a few years ago. She is probably the biggest fogger from my slay count 5'10 green eyed stacylite-stacy. I can send her pic through PM if anyone is interested Anyway, she was telling me about a new...

looksmax.org

 

[TechnoBoss]

Don't ever dumpster dive. Juggernaut law. Uglier women have higher standards than attractive women because attractive women are scary to men and are approached less. Ugly women are viewed as more attainable, so they are approached more. I know it's tempting to do it but just don't worry about it. I've noticed alot of women in NYC who are attractive tend to look bitchy though.

 

[6ft4]

Fuaark this is motivating me to finally pull the trigger and come approaching with you in Dublin

The only cold approach I ever done the girl was insanely receptive, laughing and smiling at everything I was saying, if I had asked her out I'm certain she would've agreed. This shit seems way more effective than jestering in the club like a chimp

Another day game success story

my 21 year old coworker did his first daytime 'approach' He was eating breakfast at a restaurant with his friend. He thought the waitress was hot asf (showed me a pic, she was high sex appeal indeed). Apparently she smiled at him when she took the order. When he finished eating, just as he was...

looksmax.org

Starting to think day game is the only way

A lot of you are gonna think this is a LARP but whatever I was speaking to some foid I slayed a few years ago. She is probably the biggest fogger from my slay count 5'10 green eyed stacylite-stacy. I can send her pic through PM if anyone is interested Anyway, she was telling me about a new...

looksmax.org

I reckon Belfast could mog Dublin because the girls there are better looking imo and less ethnics hanging around ruining the vibe
I'm hoping to be set up in Belfast running bouncer game in September so daygame would just be bonus territory if some results occured
The story of that Albanian lives in my head rent free to this day
This is why I feel I am being under ambitious, like I said in the final paragraph of post #34

Great thread, read every word. Love hearing about your night out escapades.

Mirin your inhb ascension. Like I said in my thread, UK and Ireland are death tier. The girls are hotter fucking everywhere else and slaying is so much easier.

How do you think my pheno would do in Finland? I've yet to visit Northern Europe

There are next to no dark haired males under the age of 30 here, I think having dark hair here allows you to stand out.
It only really dawned on me when I caught my reflection on one of the amusment rides before it set off and I was hair darkness mogging every male around me significantly
Guys here are pretty tanned also so it's probably a bonus that you are tanned, I question if my paleness is suboptimal altho I have gotten some sun on this trip.

After my results in Poland I felt rather defeated hence the defeated thread I made at the time.
Effectively no IOIs in Poland, best girl I kissed by miles was a blond nordic looking foid jfl. I approached a piggy pheno Polish chubster and she couldn't have been less enthusiastic, I was worried it may be over for me outside of Ireland (if not in general) at that point.

Since I got to Helsinki I'm having girls hold eye contact with me on the street daily, yesterday I turned to look across the road and two foids walking together on the other side of the street had already had their heads turned in my direction looking at me.

I thought that Netherlands would be my fallback option in Europe as a place where I could run height halo game since users here say tall normies can do well in NL due to height even though Dutch girls seemed unwilling to give out IOIs (I seen foids walk by Dutch Chads at concerts without the slightest bit of acknowledgment)
I now feel no need to set in foot in NL again since I feel I am getting the best things about NL in Finland while dropping the worst parts.

There's also a lack of toursists in Helsinki which I think can halo the few Celts/Meds that travel there
I would say that Spaniards were the most common toursists I heard but even then they aren't overly common
If we have an incelcon outside of the Shittish Isles I would have this as the place to go.
I also dont want to overhype it since I had a shit experience in Poland (where everyone else supposedly slays with ease) so a lot of it could be related to me having more hope and putting in more effort to being open and social on this trip.
If I do start slaying here though in future, rather than posting about it I will gatekeep it as my prime location and DISCOURAGE other people from geomaxxing here

I think your upbeat NT approach and convo in addition to low inhib could do well here, I haven't been able to fake high energy as I can only focus on dealing with one aspect of the approach at a time, so far I'm working on just holding a convo without fucking up and trying to work in my script.
I interacted with a shopkeeper foid yesterday and she was flustered for like 5 minutes after fucking up my change trying to calculate it properly then fucked it up again by reading wrong part of receipt. I was just talking to her in an extremely stern and stoic manner while she seemed panicky, this is the dynamic I aim to create often

 

[6ft4]

I walked around for a few hours today on the lookout for foids to approach but no opportunities with foids who I was properly attracted to came about.
Yesterday there were a few opportunities where I got strong eye contact and was kicking myself for not approaching, I wrote out what happened but not really worth posting.
In a shopping centre tody I approached a couple of JB to ask them where I could find a toilet and the cuter one put in a decent amount of effort to give me directions and seemed receptive, I just thanked her and walked on.
That was my first time speaking to JB in a non forced context (eg. work) that I can remember in years

I plan on drinking soon but it feels more daunting going out on my own tonight than it did last Friday, like there's more at stake tonight for some reason (yes it's my final saturday here but it's like I'm more afraid of looking like a loner than I was last time I went out.)

 

[New Poster]

Okay, I've read the whole thing

Good content. I'll take actual experiences over shitposting and regurgitated blackpills from the internet all day long.

Your approaches are pretty lazy and low risk. Asking for directions is the weakest and safest opening possible. Imagine you were chad. Would you bother with such a timid, indirect opening? It's an indecisive way to test the waters, but you want to come off like you know the waters are fine. It's hard to get much interest off asking for directions. It's even harder to gauge interest because she might just be friendly. You need to come in more sexual at the outset to see where this is going.

You also need to try to get them to your place -- even during the day. Numbers are basically useless in an urban area. Women don't want to go on dates with randos, but they will fuck them in the moment if they're in the mood.

Ultimately, your posts scream low confidence and sexually timid -- which is going to make cold spproach tough.

 

[6ft4]

Okay, I've read the whole thing

Good content. I'll take actual experiences over shitposting and regurgitated blackpills from the internet all day long.

Your approaches are pretty lazy and low risk. Asking for directions is the weakest and safest opening possible. Imagine you were chad. Would you bother with such a timid, indirect opening? It's an indecisive way to test the waters, but you want to come off like you know the waters are fine. It's hard to get much interest off asking for directions. It's even harder to gauge interest because she might just be friendly. You need to come in more sexual at the outset to see where this is going.

You also need to try to get them to your place -- even during the day. Numbers are basically useless in an urban area. Women don't want to go on dates with randos, but they will fuck them in the moment if they're in the mood.

Ultimately, your posts scream low confidence and sexually timid -- which is going to make cold spproach tough.

My approach in post #34 was the first one where I expressed obvious interest and showed my intentions but I think I recall you saying that calling the foid cute off the bat is suboptimal and not condusive to slaying them.
I am taking baby steps at the moment but I will aim to be more sexually aggressive in future once I've lowered my inhib a bit more in terms of approaching every decent foid who holds eye contact (there has been more holding eye contact here than anywhere else i've been)

 

[looksmaxxed]

my cold approach strategy is to be as rational and logical as possible. just ask would you like to have sex. if no, move on. if any other answer, probe and move conversation towards arranging sex.

that said, i've never approach a girl in my life, so maybe the looks level required for this is astronomical.

but i refuse to engage in irrational and illogical mating ritual "games" meant to pander to the child-like mind of the foid.

 

[New Poster]

My approach in post #34 was the first one where I expressed obvious interest and showed my intentions but I think I recall you saying that calling the foid cute off the bat is suboptimal and not condusive to slaying them.
I am taking baby steps at the moment but I will aim to be more sexually aggressive in future once I've lowered my inhib a bit more in terms of approaching every decent foid who holds eye contact (there has been more holding eye contact here than anywhere else i've been)

Calling a girl cute is a little redundant and cheesy, but can work if you don't dwell on it and quickly move on. Sometimes I'll say that to girls in tight spaces and I want them to move. I might say, "You're cute and all, but you're kinda in the way..." or something to that effect. I almost never call a girl cute on first meeting her unless I move off it quickly. She's knows you think she's cute if you're talking to her. There's almost no reason to ever talk to a stranger, so a girl assumes you're trying to fuck. Just start with that as the premise of the conversation.

 

[New Poster]

my cold approach strategy is to be as rational and logical as possible. just ask would you like to have sex. if no, move on. if any other answer, probe and move conversation towards arranging sex.

that said, i've never approach a girl in my life, so maybe the looks level required for this is astronomical.

but i refuse to engage in irrational and illogical mating ritual "games" meant to pander to the child-like mind of the foid.

 

[6ft4]

Last night's report
Drank 350ml of rum and 2.5 cans before leaving the house
Began walking to the club I had suggested to me by a random person on the internet
Ended up speaking to a guy on the street and he said the club I intended on going to didn't have the frendliest people or atmosphere, made it sound like an wannabe-influencer type club and he asked other people nearby their opinions on it and they said they weren't fans of it although they were oldcel
I lined up for the venue he was going into so I just took it as a positive I had someone to associate with
He then left the line to piss and I didnt see him again until later in the night so I started talking to 3 guys in front of me and hanged with them for a while after entering.

The venue literally has granny in the title because of how oldcel the crowd is there but I wasn't aware until getting in.
I got a drink at the bar and kept buying more pints thinking that after the next drink I'd be in the mood to approach but it just didnt come.
I only remember seeing one foid who peaked my interest but it was giga crowded and I couldnt get to her and thought id bump into her later in the night.
When I got in I should've just left shortly after and tried salvage the night by going to a young venue tbh

The night went extremely quick and before I knew it, the venue was closing and I semi blacked out but approached a girl on the street who had left a different venue
She was 31 and I told her my age and she didn't believe me and asked to see my ID then told me I had a babyface
She was fairly attractive and slim and small but I could see the signs of aging on her face, may have been a Staceylite 10 years ago.
I walked to McDonalds with her and she was showing attention towards me rather than her friends
I told her I have one Finnish friend and told her that he's a model in a bid to try leech off some perceived status halo by association
She seemed intrigued then asked me if I was a model (jfl) to which I said no
We left McDonalds but then I just had a sudden moment of having nothing to say, almost like a moment of realizing the alcohol benefit had ceased and this kinda hampered the vibe which I could see from her.
It was like my subconscious just knew that this was the part of the night where I would fail based on so many consecutive failed nights out and I was almost throwing in the towell before it got to that point.

I did try to push things further since I had her isolated but she refused to kiss me because I had a cold.
We continued talking anyway and I told her about my experience last week where a girl refused to come back with me despite saying she wanted to but due to her insecurity thought I was just using her to get to her friends.
Mentioning that couldn't really have brought me any benefit so I'm not sure why I said it but it seemed to really trigger her for some unknown reason then she told me she has 2 guys who she's fucking and said that they mogged me as if it would make me jealous jfl.
I dont see how its an achivement for a 31 y/o to have fuckbuddies but no relationship but anyway.
This then escalated into a semi argument where I was asking her why she's getting so mad and a guy nearby said something as if he wanted to intervene but then stood off having seen it was nothing major but then she got narcy and raised her voice again so I walked off and returned home.

Sober nights out really are the only way from now on, the outcome is gonna be no slay either way so I may as well save my money and try get out of my comfort zone and force myself to be low inhib by going sober but I had a strong fear before going out that I'd stand out as a loner in the venue but this venue I went to was giga easy to blend in.

 

[6ft4]

To add on to my last post, the foid I walked to McDonalds with kept snorting whenever I would make her laugh hard and she snorted like 3 times.
I have no idea what I was saying but I question how I'm able to make a foid laugh while I'm drunk but when I am sober it's a giga challenge to get one chuckle out of them and the mood feels particularly dull.

 

[Deleted member 20399]

my cold approach strategy is to be as rational and logical as possible. just ask would you like to have sex. if no, move on. if any other answer, probe and move conversation towards arranging sex.

that said, i've never approach a girl in my life, so maybe the looks level required for this is astronomical.

but i refuse to engage in irrational and illogical mating ritual "games" meant to pander to the child-like mind of the foid.

 

[New Poster]

Last night's report
Drank 350ml of rum and 2.5 cans before leaving the house
Began walking to the club I had suggested to me by a random person on the internet
Ended up speaking to a guy on the street and he said the club I intended on going to didn't have the frendliest people or atmosphere, made it sound like an wannabe-influencer type club and he asked other people nearby their opinions on it and they said they weren't fans of it although they were oldcel
I lined up for the venue he was going into so I just took it as a positive I had someone to associate with
He then left the line to piss and I didnt see him again until later in the night so I started talking to 3 guys in front of me and hanged with them for a while after entering.

The venue literally has granny in the title because of how oldcel the crowd is there but I wasn't aware until getting in.
I got a drink at the bar and kept buying more pints thinking that after the next drink I'd be in the mood to approach but it just didnt come.
I only remember seeing one foid who peaked my interest but it was giga crowded and I couldnt get to her and thought id bump into her later in the night.
When I got in I should've just left shortly after and tried salvage the night by going to a young venue tbh

The night went extremely quick and before I knew it, the venue was closing and I semi blacked out but approached a girl on the street who had left a different venue
She was 31 and I told her my age and she didn't believe me and asked to see my ID then told me I had a babyface
She was fairly attractive and slim and small but I could see the signs of aging on her face, may have been a Staceylite 10 years ago.
I walked to McDonalds with her and she was showing attention towards me rather than her friends
I told her I have one Finnish friend and told her that he's a model in a bid to try leech off some perceived status halo by association
She seemed intrigued then asked me if I was a model (jfl) to which I said no
We left McDonalds but then I just had a sudden moment of having nothing to say, almost like a moment of realizing the alcohol benefit had ceased and this kinda hampered the vibe which I could see from her.
It was like my subconscious just knew that this was the part of the night where I would fail based on so many consecutive failed nights out and I was almost throwing in the towell before it got to that point.

I did try to push things further since I had her isolated but she refused to kiss me because I had a cold.
We continued talking anyway and I told her about my experience last week where a girl refused to come back with me despite saying she wanted to but due to her insecurity thought I was just using her to get to her friends.
Mentioning that couldn't really have brought me any benefit so I'm not sure why I said it but it seemed to really trigger her for some unknown reason then she told me she has 2 guys who she's fucking and said that they mogged me as if it would make me jealous jfl.
I dont see how its an achivement for a 31 y/o to have fuckbuddies but no relationship but anyway.
This then escalated into a semi argument where I was asking her why she's getting so mad and a guy nearby said something as if he wanted to intervene but then stood off having seen it was nothing major but then she got narcy and raised her voice again so I walked off and returned home.

Sober nights out really are the only way from now on, the outcome is gonna be no slay either way so I may as well save my money and try get out of my comfort zone and force myself to be low inhib by going sober but I had a strong fear before going out that I'd stand out as a loner in the venue but this venue I went to was giga easy to blend in.

lol at getting into arguments when you're just trying to pump and dump

 

[6ft4]

I almost never call a girl cute on first meeting her unless I move off it quickly. She's knows you think she's cute if you're talking to her. There's almost no reason to ever talk to a stranger, so a girl assumes you're trying to fuck. Just start with that as the premise of the conversation.

I think because of my inability to flirt and also how "matter of fact" a first conversation with me tends to be, foids may legit not be able to pick up on the reason for me approaching them being because I want to fuck them for the simple reason that they can't conceive of a man who is as expressionless as me ever seducing a foid let alone them.
Like if I start asking them what they're up to and where they're going or what they think of somthing in the given context, they might literally think I'm just some weirdo who trys to gather personal data from random people.

I feel like the chubster I talked to while waiting in line for the rollercoaster may have been genuinely confused as to why I was asking her some questions about herself.
I would probably have to approach hotter foids for them to automatically assume I'm trying to hit on them without me directly expressing attraction to their appearance but I haven't managed to approach a very hot foid yet