My Weekend daygame and clubbing report

[New Poster]

I think because of my inability to flirt and also how "matter of fact" a first conversation with me tends to be, foids may legit not be able to pick up on the reason for me approaching them being because I want to fuck them for the simple reason that they can't conceive of a man who is as expressionless as me ever seducing a foid let alone them.
Like if I start asking them what they're up to and where they're going or what they think of somthing in the given context, they might literally think I'm just some weirdo who trys to gather personal data from random people.

I feel like the chubster I talked to while waiting in line for the rollercoaster may have been genuinely confused as to why I was asking her some questions about herself.
I would probably have to approach hotter foids for them to automatically assume I'm trying to hit on them without me directly expressing attraction to their appearance but I haven't managed to approach a very hot foid yet

Never had that problem. Every woman in a 20 mile radius thinks I'm trying to fuck

 

[AscensionMan98]

I read it all. Staying out till 6AM is a joke btw. I have a theory that has never been disproven. If you haven’t found a potential slay by 2-3AM just head home. All the women interested in getting dick have already found someone to pipe them by 3 AM.

I used to that a few times staying craz late and I second this.

If you have not found a bitch within closing time of 80% of your country's club, so in America majority close at 2am, so if you do not have a foid in your hand by 2am I would head back home.

I would say even like 1:30am, if you have not gotten some numbers at least and make outs, then you should just call off the night. Some nights out are going to be better then others, and besides looks luck will play a factor so you should just call it quits early. Its not worth the additional 2 hours that will make you want to sleep an extra 4-6 hours the next day

 

[AscensionMan98]

lol at getting into arguments when you're just trying to pump and dump

Finnish foids are hyper feminist, probably got triggered op was gonna pump and dump and the foid couldn't handle it

 

[AspiringMogger]

I used to that a few times staying craz late and I second this.

If you have not found a bitch within closing time of 80% of your country's club, so in America majority close at 2am, so if you do not have a foid in your hand by 2am I would head back home.

I would say even like 1:30am, if you have not gotten some numbers at least and make outs, then you should just call off the night. Some nights out are going to be better then others, and besides looks luck will play a factor so you should just call it quits early. Its not worth the additional 2 hours that will make you want to sleep an extra 4-6 hours the next day

No way clubs in America close at 2AM that’s crazy

 

[AscensionMan98]

No way clubs in America close at 2AM that’s crazy

2am is the standard time for most places. Lounges can be open till 4am but their legally required to stop serving alcohol after 2am. The 2am rule was to drunk driving idiots killing people after getting wasted in the club

Of course the more reasonable solution woudl be public transit, but america won't allow that...

 

[infini]

I lost my draft but jfl'ed at the mudshark, thinking it was a species similar to sand sharks.

And in the case of dumpster diving, what would you do to entry yourself conversation-wise into a group of girls? By starting with the ugliest first, is it important in your experience to get the overall approval of them all.

What surgery did you get and how much difference did it do?

Because I seen her smiling as mentioned I figured she wasn't extremely freaked out by me even tho her one word answers may make it seem like she was but she may have also seen me on the earlier ride which just failoed me too much to her.

Just pictured a chad sitting lonesome on the teacups from a group of foids POV walking past, pointing.

No way clubs in America close at 2AM that’s crazy

It takes them a 2hour 30mph speed limit drive for them to get home.

 

[6ft4]

I lost my draft but jfl'ed at the mudshark, thinking it was a species similar to sand sharks.

And in the case of dumpster diving, what would you do to entry yourself conversation-wise into a group of girls? By starting with the ugliest first, is it important in your experience to get the overall approval of them all.

I'm not sure since I'm usually drunk when I approach girls but I dont consciously go for the lowest level girl in the group, it just sometimes happens that a foid who satisfies my kink is objectively the lowest in her friend group but if I ever enter a club/bar as a customer in future again I will aim to go for the most attractive foids.
In all post surgery nights out, I've gotten the approval of the friends of the girl I went for it's just the girl herself who fucks it for me.

I remember in 2019 during my clubbing peak I approached a HTB who had two slightly better looking HTB friends and one of the friends said she didnt approve of me (the girl i went for said its important her friends approve) but then when I quizzed her later in the night outside the venue on why she said she didnt approve of me she was lost for words and realized her bullshit club antics came back to her for once.

What surgery did you get and how much difference did it do?

bimax and genio, big difference aesthetically tbh but I'm starting to question if I was getting slays prior because enough girls out there had a kink for fucking a guy with a legit deformity that they considered ugly-hot but now that I have no deformity it's like I have no niche market
I think my behaviour may be so incongruent with my looks that foids cant process it

Just pictured a chad sitting lonesome on the teacups from a group of foids POV walking past, pointing.

jfl tbh

It takes them a 2hour 30mph speed limit drive for them to get home.

 

[Ascend_forever]

Read it all bro ,great reporting

 

[TurboOgre]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

Finn here. Cold street approaching isn't something that any native finns do. It's just something foreigners do, but I don't see it impossible for you to work, just quite hard.

Sometimes you hear stories of random pajeets and turks being creepy cold approaching on the streets, on finnish social media.

Approaching in the club is meta pretty much, and I'd recommend doing that

 

[6ft4]

Finn here. Cold street approaching isn't something that any native finns do. It's just something foreigners do, but I don't see it impossible for you to work, just quite hard.

Sometimes you hear stories of random pajeets and turks being creepy cold approaching on the streets, on finnish social media.

Approaching in the club is meta pretty much, and I'd recommend doing that

I dont think it's normal for natives in any European country to do street approach, obviously I would be hoping to distinguish myself by being the only white HTN the foids have been cold approached by so they dont automatically see me as low status off the bat like they would with an ethnic approach.

I've wasted enough time approaching in clubs for one lifetime, I just cant motivate myself for it anymore although I may go out sober once I move there to find which venues I prefer but ultimately I'd rather work as a bouncer in clubs
There are so many higher quality foids that you can only encounter on the streets that you'll never find in nightclubs anyway

 

[TurboOgre]

There are so many higher quality foids that you can only encounter on the streets that you'll never find in nightclubs anyway

This is very true, clubbing and going out to bars has become a decreasing activity among the youth here. You can still find the stunning blonde kind next door type girl that hasn't been ruined by alcohol and the cockcarousel. If you're seriously considering moving here be aware of the negatives as well, it's not always easy to fit in as a foreigner especially if you don't speak finnish. And even then, it's very rare for a foreigner to speak fluent Finnish without a hard accent.

Incase you decide to move here and need help with any translations/etc, feel free to PM me.

 

[6ft4]

This is very true, clubbing and going out to bars has become a decreasing activity among the youth here. You can still find the stunning blonde kind next door type girl that hasn't been ruined by alcohol and the cockcarousel. If you're seriously considering moving here be aware of the negatives as well, it's not always easy to fit in as a foreigner especially if you don't speak finnish. And even then, it's very rare for a foreigner to speak fluent Finnish without a hard accent.

Incase you decide to move here and need help with any translations/etc, feel free to PM me.

I dont expect to fit in tbh but it's not like finding a social circle in my own country at my current age is exactly easy either
Thankfully I have a friend in Finland with maxxmclooks which is a good mental boost compared to if I had zero people I know there
My night out where a couple of random guys approached me and wingmanned me has shown that there is the potential to meet people although cracking into their social circle in a non alcoholic environment would be tough

My goal is to find a foid to LTR in Finland so if I managed that I wouldn't be too concerned about a male social circle even though having one would obviously be better and can elevate you in the foids eyes.
It would be 9-10 months before I make the move which will give me time to learn a decent amount of Finnish if I commit but speaking Finnish with a proper accent will presumably be difficult.
I think I would mostly use speaking Finnish as a show of appreciation to the people rather than necessity since all conversations could more easily be conducted in English but foids may get more invested if you approach them speaking Finnish initially and it may also allow me to be more low inhib since dropping a cheesy compliment or sexually suggestive line in Finnish wouldnt make me cringe to the same degree as it would saying it in English.

Thanks, I'll PM you if I need your help

 

[infini]

my cold approach strategy is to be as rational and logical as possible. just ask would you like to have sex. if no, move on. if any other answer, probe and move conversation towards arranging sex.

that said, i've never approach a girl in my life, so maybe the looks level required for this is astronomical.

but i refuse to engage in irrational and illogical mating ritual "games" meant to pander to the child-like mind of the foid.

Holy shit the vaginal, virginal mental schizo gymnastics on this shit. @ReadBooksEveryday @ascension

 

[Deleted member 46941]

Ain't readin allat

 

[Willmogulater]

Dnrd allat

 

[infini]

I'm not sure since I'm usually drunk when I approach girls but I dont consciously go for the lowest level girl in the group, it just sometimes happens that a foid who satisfies my kink is objectively the lowest in her friend group but if I ever enter a club/bar as a customer in future again I will aim to go for the most attractive foids.
In all post surgery nights out, I've gotten the approval of the friends of the girl I went for it's just the girl herself who fucks it for me.

I remember in 2019 during my clubbing peak I approached a HTB who had two slightly better looking HTB friends and one of the friends said she didnt approve of me (the girl i went for said its important her friends approve) but then when I quizzed her later in the night outside the venue on why she said she didnt approve of me she was lost for words and realized her bullshit club antics came back to her for once.

Jfl, sheep mentality unless the silence was the message in itself. Awkwardness is a weird one on what to do whether it's positive intimidation or disgust/ ego getting challenged.
Sorry for not getting back sooner. Your report inspires me to talk/ respond back to foids of the recent realm to me. You too, @New Poster.

bimax and genio, big difference aesthetically tbh but I'm starting to question if I was getting slays prior because enough girls out there had a kink for fucking a guy with a legit deformity that they considered ugly-hot but now that I have no deformity it's like I have no niche market
I think my behaviour may be so incongruent with my looks that foids cant process it

Bruce Wayne/ Pat Bateman mentality.

jfl tbh

Thx for sharing, you carry one of the few good and real perspectives here left. Pity the follow user tool does nothing.

I dont expect to fit in tbh but it's not like finding a social circle in my own country at my current age is exactly easy either
Thankfully I have a friend in Finland with maxxmclooks which is a good mental boost compared to if I had zero people I know there
My night out where a couple of random guys approached me and wingmanned me has shown that there is the potential to meet people although cracking into their social circle in a non alcoholic environment would be tough

My goal is to find a foid to LTR in Finland so if I managed that I wouldn't be too concerned about a male social circle even though having one would obviously be better and can elevate you in the foids eyes.
It would be 9-10 months before I make the move which will give me time to learn a decent amount of Finnish if I commit but speaking Finnish with a proper accent will presumably be difficult.
I think I would mostly use speaking Finnish as a show of appreciation to the people rather than necessity since all conversations could more easily be conducted in English but foids may get more invested if you approach them speaking Finnish initially and it may also allow me to be more low inhib since dropping a cheesy compliment or sexually suggestive line in Finnish wouldnt make me cringe to the same degree as it would saying it in English.

Thanks, I'll PM you if I need your help

Cool plan, nice to plan ahead.

Never had that problem. Every woman in a 20 mile radius thinks I'm trying to fuck

The way you look at them back?

Finnish foids are hyper feminist, probably got triggered op was gonna pump and dump and the foid couldn't handle it

Even while she's fucking two guys on the side? The mental gymnastic double standards mate...

 

[copamine]

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[spermium]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

Have you tried Prague ?

 

[lebesgue]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

mirin I've approached 30 women in day game and just recently I'm getting the confidence to do very difficult approaches

 

[Malu]

Usually your posts are pretty informational but there's no way I'm reading your whole club recap

 

[einzigartig]

Read some of it, kind of brutal though. I must say you have a knack for writing in detail

knack where? i couldn't read one second before feeling the urge to hang myself

 

[einzigartig]

did read, brutal man

tbh im surprised that you didnt slay, i was almosr certain that you would be able to pull someone

height is cope that's why

 

[Malu]

Btw bro do you wear lifts when you go clubbing? I usually don't unless I feel particularly high inhib but I actually felt like I needed them when I went clubbing in Oslo especially as an ethnic.

 

[6ft4]

Btw bro do you wear lifts when you go clubbing? I usually don't unless I feel particularly high inhib but I actually felt like I needed them when I went clubbing in Oslo especially as an ethnic.

No, I wear trainers which add about 2cm which is enough

 

[tren_31]

No, I wear trainers which add about 2cm which is enough

i wonder how u ddnt slay(read all texts) w 195 cm height, a bimax and genio, do you have someone popular who is similiar to ur looks?

I would suggest South America you would slay easy

 

[italianmaxxer]

This foid has since sent me a message saying that I am extremely goodlooking and she regrets not leaving the club with me.
I think this is solid confirmation that I can't dumpster dive for lower level girls post surgery because they feel too insecure about themselves to have sex with a Celtic TFBEM with an absence of bite deformity

U are telling me you are too ugly for the gl ones and too good looking for the ugly ones

 

[italianmaxxer]

No, I wear trainers which add about 2cm which is enough

is there any picture or any example of how you looks? i dont understand why are u sooo tall and gl and still all theese foids are ambigous in your regards

 

[Hellstrom]

His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo]

What is a manlet for you

 

[Zenis]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

Tuff

 

[got.daim]

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[Phantomivy]

On Friday at around 8pm I did my first approach on the street
A girl was walking towards me on the footpath but not looking at me
She was moving quite fast and had earphones in but I stopped her and asked how she was
I think she said fine or something then I asked if she planned on going out tonight and she said no and started to walk on
There was no rudeness about it but it felt good just to get a high difficulty kind of approach out of the way since she had earphones in and wasn't looking at me until I stopped her.
My voice was terrible and sounded high cortisol for lack of a better description because of how out of my comfort zone I was
I think this largely contributed to her moving on quickly when she said no about going out although if I could think quick enough I may have been able to extend the convo but it was effectively doomed off first impression caused by my voice being shit.
The girl was probably around 19 and decent looking but not the archetype of the generically goodlooking Nordic foid

About an hour later I seen a foid walking towards me with her dog so I stopped her to ask if she knows any good bars to go to on a Friday night and she invested into the convo by asking what kind of music I was looking for and if I wanted to go to the bar now or later then I asked how Friday night compared to Saturday night then asked if she was going out over the weekend and she told me she was going to pride Saturday so I asked if I could get her number and maybe we could meet up tomorrow and she said no with a laugh. She seemed somewhat flattered by it rather than it being a rude laugh.
She looked around 30 and was a bit chubster and had the appearance of someone who's not really in the dating game or a chad chaser.
She looked like the kind of girl to have a LTN/MTN boyfriend in their 30s rather than a looksmaxxing peterpan maxxer.
I could've extended the convo more but figured I'd ask for a number just to practice the act of doing so while I hadn't made any mistakes verbally or stumbled on my words despite feeling shaky internally.

After that approach I went back to my apartment to drink a few cans then I went back into the city and stood in the line of a club on my own with no opportunities to talk to anyone in the line as I usually would.
They kept a massive line outside even though inside, the floor with people on it was barely full so it felt a bit awkward being there at first, I was just ordering drinks then sitting around at tables.
I spoke to a couple of guys but it was just basic shit and didn't extend to any wingmanning
Then at the bar I spoke to some Finnish guy and asked if he had cocaine since I just got that vibe when I seen him in the bathrooms but he didn't
The guy was very nerdic looking and low appeal for club slaying but he was pretty tall.
He asked me my height and I told him 195cm then he said "I thought I was 195cm but I must not be if you are"
From what I see online there's only a 1cm difference in average height between Ireland (179cm) and Finland (180cm) but it feels like much more in terms of Finns being taller.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of me walking past more people in Finland than I have in Ireland in any time in recent memory so I'm encountering more 190cm+ guys or if the stats are actually off.
I'm seeing a noticable amount of girls who appear 190cm+, like a couple per day but I may begin keeping count.

I then go onto the danceloor with the Finnish guy and it seems a few girls are receptive to us being around them
We begin interacting with two girls, one had more sex appeal but wasn't that great objectively, the other one had lower sex appeal and had glasses
The finnish guy then started holding the high sex appeal girl while dancing with her so I thought it was best for me to leave
I then found another group of girls and began kissing an average-below looking chubster but she had a very robust bones and wide cheekbones so I'd have enjoyed banging her. She seemed invested as she spent some time with me at a table but ultimately left because she said she had to stay with her friends.
I got her snap and asked her to come over the following night and she said she wants to but she doesn't think she can do it and that she's scared so I asked her what she's scared of and she said it's something irrational that would just make her sound crazy.

A decent amount of time passed then I figured I had to go back to the finnish guy and the two girls, the guy was still dancing with the higher sex appeal girl in the exact same manner he had been, after a few minutes the finnish guy just decided to go and didn't come back and the high sex appeal one asked where he went like she was disappointed but she pretty much confirmed she didn't think he was particularly attractive but I could tell she was enjoying soaking up the attention.
I then got sexual with her and started feeling her ass and talking about going back with her and even said that her glasses friend could also come back and she asked if I was a player and I said I wasn't.
The glasses foid took off her glasses and actually looked fairly cute so if I had any sense I would've just went for her from the beginning but it seemed things weren't going anywhere with high sex appeal foid. Had I switched over to glasses girl the high sex appeal girl would've cockblocked I feel so I went to look for another girl

I went into another part of the venue I hadn't yet been in and seen 3 blondes right there with nobody talking to them so I began talking to the nearest one who was the least attractive with a shortface/low pedigree face and was chubster with piercings but lacking tits.
One of the friends looked very slag maxxed with lip filler and another was just generally attractive
Once I realized that they had a pretty open vibe I thought maybe I could've approached one of the better looking ones but I think I just subconsciously assumed they'd be stuck up towards me or have a guy already.
I kissed the chubster then believed it was a case of either slaying her or nothing so I was investing some effort
One of the girls said something about the chubster liking a blacks although her English wasn't good so rather than looking for confirmation on what she said I chose to ignore it but I realized she did have the pheno of a girl who hates herself and fucks blacks.
The club was closing so we all walked out at the same time, while on the street her friends left and basically gave her permission to go home with me but she was telling me she had to go home with her friends.
I was in that drunken state where I was shameless about being seen on the street with a low pedigree foid but if I had any resemblance of sobriety I would've just ditched her since I'd be sacrificing my dignity for fucking a potential mudshark.
Also when a girl is that much below your own lookslevel they often can only fuck guys who they feel are as unattractive as themselves
This was the most forceful and pushy I've been in terms of trying to get girls to come back with me since I started going on nights out again post surgery.
I used to slay chubsters with ease in Ireland but I'm starting to think having a bite deformity actually allowed chubsters to feel comfortable since I had a glaring flaw so was somewhat on their level.

I then walked around for a while trying to find my way to the busstop and stopped two goodlooking girls who were receptive and I called them hot and asked if they would go out again tomorrow and then got one of their numbers. I was still very drunk here but it was only when I asked for the number and walked on that I thought I shouldve just tried push to get one of them back to my place then regardless of how low the chances may have been since getting their number at 6am effectively means a 0.0001% chance of ever seeing them again.

I then spent all day in bed and on Saturday night I finally decided the leave the house late and got into the city at 1am
I got off the bus and was on my phone and some girl who was across the street walked over for what seemed like no apparent reason because she just walked straight back over across the street to where people were waiting for a bus.
I didn't pull the trigger on approaching while she was near me so I decided to walk over across the street to where her and quite a few others were waiting for a bus and I could sense people looking at me as I approached her which actually felt quite good since it was like people witnessed me approaching a hot girl with no fucks given.
I had my phone out and asked her if she knew where a cetain bar was and if she had been there and knows if it was any good so it was a low risk indirect approach but I figured after starting with that I could switch the focus onto her but the bus arrived before I could properly express interest but I think it may have been obvious why i crossed the street and specifically selected her to ask.

I then walked around the streets more and while waiting at a traffic light a guy tapped me on the shoulder then him and his friend who were very drunk started talking to me so I walked with them and kept the convo going then asked them their plan for the night and where they were going and if they have been to a bar I was looking for.
It didn't take long for them to tell me they were going to help me to get a Finnish girl and one of them who was HTN was telling me I was a handsome guy and should be able to get a girl here easily.
I had drunk guys say similar things to me in Ireland and England on nights out but hearing it in Finland made me think I may actually have a chance of getting a Finnish foid since I took it as an indication that my pheno can have some appeal here.
Obviously it would've been a better indicator hearing it from a foid but a HTN's opinion can't be that far off a general foid's opinion I believe
When they asked my age I asked them to guess and they said 20 jfl, I laped that I was 22
They were 19 and said that we were on the wrong said of town since I was 22 and that the clubs here are full of 16 year olds as if that was a problem
I cant remember the wording but they almost made it sound as if going for a freshly turned 18 y/o as a 19 y/o wasn't something they'd do and then they began talking about wanting to go fuck some moms but I'd say a lot of it was just drunk talk as if to suggest girls their own age are annoying and milfs are more thrilling.
One of them asked my height and I said 195cm and again he said it seemed like more and said he was 188cm

We were walking around aimlessly for a while but eventally we got to a venue and went to the seated smoking area on the top floor
They kept talking to girls in Finnish and pointing at me which was pretty uncomfortable for me because I couldn't engage in the convo it was like they were trying to sell me to the girls but I was just standing there like a tool.
The first foids they approached didn't seem overly enthusuatic but one of the guys stayed there talking to them while me and the HTN went downstairs
We then got talking to two girls and again he I was stuck there like a tool while he was tryna sell me and he seemed to be having some good flirting with this giga short girl then the other friend walked off. I was trying to say some stuff to the giga short girl but it was pointless and she seemed fairly drunk and hard to engage with when you aren't drunk yourself.

I entered the club sober and was on my first corona at this point and ended up having 3 in total then a vodka near the end of the night
I talked to a foid while waiting at the bar and she complimented me on my accent and said she hasn't met any Irish person before, I just used her as practice to talk to and wasnt particularly interested in her.
I went back upstairs to the other guy and he seemed to be making inroads with the foids so I sat down with them
Then I switched over seats to sit next to a blonde chubster who looked unreceptive at first when they were trying to sell me to her but now I was able to have a convo with her

I asked her pretty much all I could but then there was a period of silence and I effectively stopped speaking to her entirely from that point because it was just me asking her questions constantly and her not contributing much else.
Had I not been looking at her eyes I'd have thought she was pretty sober due to how little she moved or spoke but when I looked at her eyes I could see she was actually pretty drunk but it seems Finns can just sit in silence when drunk rather than having to be loud and active
The other guy was now sitting next to a LTB and they were saying that she was interested in me but I never spoke to her directly
The blonde foid told me that the LTB was from a different city and staying with her tonight so I figured that ruled out any chance of slaying the blonde
The giga short foid from earlier then comes to the table and starts talking to the LTB despite them being strangers
Then at one point the LTB is sitting on her side of the table alone so some Arab guy sits down and starts aggressively kissing her almost immediately
His worse looking manlet friends come over which failoed him imo and the giga short foid appeared to be telling her not to continue with him then she started pulling away from his attempted kisses and he was asking if the short foid said something bad about him (he was speaking english and couldnt understand finnish)
He may have thought he had a slay with the LTB but gave up and left.
I have to say it seems like a pretty brutal place for ethnics as they're generally standing on the fringes of the venues unable to get involved.
Wannabe thug game also doesn't seem to be in play here since girls just seem happy with normal, well adjusted white guys whereas in Ireland/UK foids will get with white chav WannabeThugMaxxers and will hence accept attention from the approaches of ethnic WTMs in clubs.

The two guys wanted to leave to go to the casino but I had bought a vodka and wanted to try approch since my inhib was lowering a bit
I seen a guy walking by with an insane chubster with massive tits and based on the look of happiness on his face I sensed he thought the slay was imminent
There was another really goodlooking chubtser in the smoking area who I had my eye on and then I seen her waiting outside the toilet and I wanted to approach but didn't do it due to thinking she was waiting on a guy to come out of toilet but I really should've just went for it, then next thing I see a bouncer talking to her and the chance had passed.

We were now on the bottom floor of the club, I approached a girl waiting on her own but she didnt speak english
The blonde foid and the LTB were still with us at this point but I wanted to try pull on the dancefloor so went on there but the other guys weren't into it so it would've just been some non smooth, 3:30am desperation approaches that girls soak validation from so i didnt do it and now the other girls had left which I wasnt particularly bothered about

We left the venue but they decided just to get a taxi so we went are separate ways but it was good to make contacts like that and I may hopefully encounter them again in future if I move here.

Some things to note about Finns in general is that there's a lot of HTNs here but they don't particularly fall under the label of low trust or prettyboy, they just have good ratios without anything in excess for the most part.
For me the competition/mog feels more brutal when there are low trust looking guys or prettyboys around due to those being the two prime archetypes in Ireland for slaying.

I am probably getting mogged by Chadlites on a semi regular basis but it's harder to truly recognize where HTN ends and Chadlite starts when you are looking at guys of a different pheno that you're not familiar with.
Even though I'm less likely to recognize a mog from a blonde male, I do question how much the blonde hair and tanned skin coloring is haloing them and if they'd actually descend with dark hair and pale skin.
Since I haven't noticed any MTNs with the low trust look like is common in Ireland, I dont feel like I am competing against MTNs for the same foids like I would be in Ireland.
I also think it is good that the guys are tall here because it seems I wont have to compete against manlets here like I would have to do in Ireland

Overall I think it's worth the tradeoff of being in an environment with higher average male looks and height for the sake of having such a high percentage of attractive foids.
In Dublin I can walk the streets for 30 minutes and not see a foid I have an urge to approach, there's a foid on the streets here I'd have an urge to approach every couple of minutes.
I aim to just start going for attractive girls from now on since dumpster diving doesn't work for me anymore and decent foids in Finland actually make eye contact with me which I would say is the first other country I've been too outside of Ireland where I get this level of eye contact.

I think if I move here I would need to learn the language just to feel truly invloved
Even though almost everyone speaks english, if I wanted to understand people when they are in groups and talking amongst themselves I'd have to learn it so I'm not stuck on the outskirts like a tool. It would also be beneficial for getting a bouncer job. I seen a cute foid happily engaging with a masc bouncer and it reminded me of bouncer game potential.

With relation to sober street approaching, I think now that I've gotten some approaches out of the way I need to start running just be creepy game and hit on the girl from the start rather than just asking them general shit as if I'm looking for help because then when I switch the tone over to looking for their number it can catch them off guard and make them think I just wasted their time asking for their help on something because I didn't have it in me to flirt with them from the start

@New Poster Sober street approach info in purple

@maxxmclooks

Yea idk what to say but first of all I wouldn’t have approached a girl walking with her earbuds in usually they wanna mind there own buisness, go to actual social places and try where girls are actually looking I wish I had the confidence you had, I only get play if girls approach me