turneywest
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The third problem with the horseshoe theory is that it implies that the Nazis are right-wing and the Communists are left-wing. Although in reality, to put it mildly, it is not so simple. It is worth understanding that both the fascists and the Nazis, who are very different, essentially originate from the socialist movements of the 19th century. Italian fascism generally originated from Marxist revisionism, that is, Italian fascism came out of the environment of Anarcho-Syndicalism. There is even a positive review by Lenin on the young Mussolini as a promising young communist. With the Nazis, everything is not so simple. The Nazis had racial theories at the forefront, but these racial theories changed. And their economic policy was restrictive, it was generally prohibitive in many respects compared to the United States, as it were, remained. At the same time, Hitler writes in Mein Kampf that socialism is a German tradition. It is actually written in Mein Kampf that the Germans, they initially had everything in common, and that we need to roll back to all of this, but at the same time, so that there would be an industrial society. This is literally the communists' take on primitive communism, which on a new turn is the dialectical spiral that history represents.
Here is a passage I found in Mein Kampf, it is how Hitler explains National Socialism:
"Socialism is a doctrine of how to care for the common good. Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism. The Marxists stole this concept and distorted its meaning. I will tear socialism out of the hands of the socialists.
Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic tradition. Our ancestors used some lands in common. They developed the idea of the common good. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Unlike Marxism, socialism does not deny private property and human individuality. Unlike Marxism, socialism is patriotic.
We could have called ourselves the Liberal Party.
But we decided to call ourselves National Socialists. We are not internationalists.
Our socialism is national. We demand that the state fulfill the just demands of the working classes on the basis of racial solidarity. For us, race and state are one whole."
Another reason why Nazis are considered right-wing. Nazis are considered right-wing because communists won several important propaganda victories in the mid-20th century. For example, the definition of Nazism and fascism throughout the world has become communist, that is, that it is an irrational, reactionary dictatorship; or an irrational motivated dictatorship of a reactionary bourgeoisie (something like that). That is, it is ultimately formulated differently, but the result is the same. The fact that the Bourgeoisie saw how fucking awesome the Bolsheviks were doing, they got scared and created a golem in the form of the Third Reich and fascist Italy. Of course, historically it was not like that at all. Because both the Third Reich and fascist Italy on an ideological level are precisely the products of that same Marxism, that is, the products of revisionism within the Marxist school of thought. Fascist Italy, that's right, Italian fascism is just a kind of revisionism within Marxist discourse. German National Socialism, it would be more correct to say that it is not Marxist socialism, but it is also part of socialist discourse. just not Marxist.
The third problem with the horseshoe theory is that it implies that the Nazis are right-wing and the Communists are left-wing. Although in reality, to put it mildly, it is not so simple. It is worth understanding that both the fascists and the Nazis, who are very different, essentially originate from the socialist movements of the 19th century. Italian fascism generally originated from Marxist revisionism, that is, Italian fascism came out of the environment of Anarcho-Syndicalism. There is even a positive review by Lenin on the young Mussolini as a promising young communist. With the Nazis, everything is not so simple. The Nazis had racial theories at the forefront, but these racial theories changed. And their economic policy was restrictive, it was generally prohibitive in many respects compared to the United States, as it were, remained. At the same time, Hitler writes in Mein Kampf that socialism is a German tradition. It is actually written in Mein Kampf that the Germans, they initially had everything in common, and that we need to roll back to all of this, but at the same time, so that there would be an industrial society. This is literally the communists' take on primitive communism, which on a new turn is the dialectical spiral that history represents.
Here is a passage I found in Mein Kampf, it is how Hitler explains National Socialism:
"Socialism is a doctrine of how to care for the common good. Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism. The Marxists stole this concept and distorted its meaning. I will tear socialism out of the hands of the socialists.
Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic tradition. Our ancestors used some lands in common. They developed the idea of the common good. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Unlike Marxism, socialism does not deny private property and human individuality. Unlike Marxism, socialism is patriotic.
We could have called ourselves the Liberal Party.
But we decided to call ourselves National Socialists. We are not internationalists.
Our socialism is national. We demand that the state fulfill the just demands of the working classes on the basis of racial solidarity. For us, race and state are one whole."
Another reason why Nazis are considered right-wing. Nazis are considered right-wing because communists won several important propaganda victories in the mid-20th century. For example, the definition of Nazism and fascism throughout the world has become communist, that is, that it is an irrational, reactionary dictatorship; or an irrational motivated dictatorship of a reactionary bourgeoisie (something like that). That is, it is ultimately formulated differently, but the result is the same. The fact that the Bourgeoisie saw how fucking awesome the Bolsheviks were doing, they got scared and created a golem in the form of the Third Reich and fascist Italy. Of course, historically it was not like that at all. Because both the Third Reich and fascist Italy on an ideological level are precisely the products of that same Marxism, that is, the products of revisionism within the Marxist school of thought. Fascist Italy, that's right, Italian fascism is just a kind of revisionism within Marxist discourse. German National Socialism, it would be more correct to say that it is not Marxist socialism, but it is also part of socialist discourse. just not Marxist.
