Natty lifting before roids or straight roids?

[Highrise]

Should I natty body build for one year first to see how big I can get and then roid or jump straight into them as a beginner?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

what’s the point? U will get bigger with roids anyway and save time

 

[St. Wristcel]

Life’s short inject t, HGH, and roids.

 

[clavicel]

Natty lifting for 1 year to get newbie gains then you can roid
Not getting your newbie gains would be a huge waste it would be like starting roids and going straight to mr. olympia dosages

 

[Highrise]

I'm 20 btw

 

[Highrise]

Natty lifting for 1 year to get newbie gains then you can roid
Not getting your newbie gains would be a huge waste it would be like starting roids and going straight to mr. olympia dosages

Not following the logic here. how would not getting noobie gains be a waste?

 

[clavicel]

Not following the logic here. how would not getting noobie gains be a waste?

The marginal benefit of steroids during a newbie gains period is much lower than after your progress slows down

 

[Azoriko]

Not following the logic here. how would not getting noobie gains be a waste?

There is a limit to how much muscle mass you can add to yourself at a given time, if you do a first cycle before you have seen one dumbbell in your life, you are ''wasting'' the potential of the cycle (probably the strongest one ever) on muscle mass that you could gain quite easily even without roids. you have a limit to how many cycles you can do during your life before you disrupt your health, treat it as a "life" in a computer game, each cycle you lose some HP until you're fucked in some way or another.


anyway put that aside, you know nothing about training, nutrition and most importantly - nothing about fucking roids
this thing isn't a joke and you should be glad i'm even taking you srsly.


balding / heart problems / infertility or decreased sperm count / acne / cognitive problems depending on the substance and many other fun things you know nothing about that can fuck you up for life, do you even know what PCT is? in short, don't make fun of yourself and just hit the gym like a good natty boy and when you have more brain cells you will ask this question elsewhere

 

[Moggy]

There is a limit to how much muscle mass you can add to yourself at a given time, if you do a first cycle before you have seen one dumbbell in your life, you are ''wasting'' the potential of the cycle (probably the strongest one ever) on muscle mass that you could gain quite easily even without roids. you have a limit to how many cycles you can do during your life before you disrupt your health, treat it as a "life" in a computer game, each cycle you lose some HP until you're fucked in some way or another.


anyway put that aside, you know nothing about training, nutrition and most importantly - nothing about fucking roids
this thing isn't a joke and you should be glad i'm even taking you srsly.


balding / heart problems / infertility or decreased sperm count / acne / cognitive problems depending on the substance and many other fun things you know nothing about that can fuck you up for life, do you even know what PCT is? in short, don't make fun of yourself and just hit the gym like a good natty boy and when you have more brain cells you will ask this question elsewhere

Legit.


Make sure you have the diet and routine nailed down and jump on, whether it is in 3 months or 3 years. I'd recommend you do it ASAP if you take proper precautions in regards to hair/skincare and don't take gymcel dosages.

 

[TRNA]

Should I natty body build for one year first to see how big I can get and then roid or jump straight into them as a beginner?

you can gain 20 lbs muscle mass in 1 year natty as a newbie I did that from 15 to 16, went from 5'7 135 lbs to 5'10.5 160 lbs age 16, soon to be 17, I barely gained any fat basically all muscle, I will Inject T and use Sarms in the future to get some more gains

 

[Highrise]

There is a limit to how much muscle mass you can add to yourself at a given time, if you do a first cycle before you have seen one dumbbell in your life, you are ''wasting'' the potential of the cycle (probably the strongest one ever) on muscle mass that you could gain quite easily even without roids. you have a limit to how many cycles you can do during your life before you disrupt your health, treat it as a "life" in a computer game, each cycle you lose some HP until you're fucked in some way or another.


anyway put that aside, you know nothing about training, nutrition and most importantly - nothing about fucking roids
this thing isn't a joke and you should be glad i'm even taking you srsly.


balding / heart problems / infertility or decreased sperm count / acne / cognitive problems depending on the substance and many other fun things you know nothing about that can fuck you up for life, do you even know what PCT is? in short, don't make fun of yourself and just hit the gym like a good natty boy and when you have more brain cells you will ask this question elsewhere

Thanks for the reality check.

I'm not completely clueless however. I know to eat protein,, lean meats, eggs, nuts, vegetables , fruits- healthy stuff. and training wise, I'm following a 3 day a week full body split ,a beginner routine and nothing out of my limits. 8-12 reps for hypertrophy, my workout is 3 days a week (ideal rest) and only big compound movements such as squats, bench press, deadlift, pull downs etc( ideal for noobie gains). Whey protein I have, considering creatine. Good sleep, water and consistency. What else is there to know?

 

[Highrise]

There is a limit to how much muscle mass you can add to yourself at a given time, if you do a first cycle before you have seen one dumbbell in your life, you are ''wasting'' the potential of the cycle (probably the strongest one ever) on muscle mass that you could gain quite easily even without roids. you have a limit to how many cycles you can do during your life before you disrupt your health, treat it as a "life" in a computer game, each cycle you lose some HP until you're fucked in some way or another.


anyway put that aside, you know nothing about training, nutrition and most importantly - nothing about fucking roids
this thing isn't a joke and you should be glad i'm even taking you srsly.


balding / heart problems / infertility or decreased sperm count / acne / cognitive problems depending on the substance and many other fun things you know nothing about that can fuck you up for life, do you even know what PCT is? in short, don't make fun of yourself and just hit the gym like a good natty boy and when you have more brain cells you will ask this question elsewhere

Legit.


Make sure you have the diet and routine nailed down and jump on, whether it is in 3 months or 3 years. I'd recommend you do it ASAP if you take proper precautions in regards to hair/skincare and don't take gymcel dosages.

If you do one cycle, do you get to keep your gains after it's done? After that one cycle, if you stopped taking it, will your body be able to live without it? Will it go back to normal?

 

[Loud_Jock]

I'm not one of those guys who think you need to "earn" doing roids by working out a lot before. But my genuine opinion is that It's a giant waste of money and you will be disappointed. You are young and have newbie gains which are better than any steroids.

There are many many many aspects to consider before hopping on the juice some of which won't be apparent until you get more experience.

Some newbies have apparently made insane gains with one steroid cycle though.

 

[Azoriko]

giant waste of money

not sure if srs. first cycle does not come close to the amount of money a good gym membership usually requires
If you have money for a gym membership without you going broke, the problem is not money.. it's the health / commitment for roids.

 

[Loud_Jock]

not sure if srs. first cycle does not come close to the amount of money a good gym membership usually requires
If you have money for a gym membership without you going broke, the problem is not money.. it's the health / commitment for roids.

It's not just the cost of steroids. It's the ancillaries and blood work and medical checkups too. It adds up quickly. And if you put things like Anavar in your cycle it gets expensive fast, not mention HGH and stuff like that.

So it's the price of Test + whatever else + oral + SERM + Aromatize inhibitor + HCG + different types of needles. Then you need to pay for blood panels that check for E and T which most free medical checkups wont so you need to pay out of pocket which is expensive.

But sure if you just do some Test and don't really care about the other stuff then it's dirt cheap.

 

[Azoriko]

blood work and medical checkups

usacels


lol at thinking about anavar or HGH (most of the anavar are fake ass and HGH is not for 99% of the people who use roids anyway.

 

[Loud_Jock]

usacels


lol at thinking about anavar or HGH (most of the anavar are fake ass and HGH is not for 99% of the people who use roids anyway.

That's a myth. I know so many places to get legit Anavar.
Also I live in a county with socialised medecin and I can't just walk up to my doctor and ask him to check my test and estrogen levels. You see, you need a REASON to do that so your only option is to pay for it yourself.

You are very poorly informed it seems and a low IQ deathnic so fuck off.

 

[Azoriko]

I can't just walk up to my doctor and ask him to check my test and estrogen levels

1) yes you can make up reasons retard i know way too many people doing that
2) u mad because you don't know shit and u feel stressed to be right
3) you don't know ANYONE and you never ever saw a drug in your life


but bro!!! if you add this! and this! and that! and that! and this! and GH! and this! and that! and oral! and sarms! and my cock in my mouth! it's get pretty expensive! no shit you fucking idiot, kys.

 

[Loud_Jock]

1) yes you can make up reasons retard i know way too many people doing that
2) u mad because you don't know shit and u feel stressed to be right
3) you don't know ANYONE and you never ever saw a drug in your life


but bro!!! if you add this! and this! and that! and that! and this! and GH! and this! and that! and oral! and sarms! and my cock in my mouth! it's get pretty expensive! no shit you fucking idiot, kys.

No YOU KYS dirty shitskin. Don't get mad because I called you out on your ethnic bullshit. Now fuck off.

Can you believe this guy? He think it's difficult to get drugs. JFL

 

[Azoriko]

No YOU KYS dirty shitskin. Don't get mad because I called you out on your ethnic bullshit. Now fuck off.

Can you believe this guy? He think it's difficult to get drugs. JFL

 

[Loud_Jock]

 

[Azoriko]

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ho look, a photo of drugs.

 

[Loud_Jock]

ho look, a photo of drugs.

Yes of MY drugs

 

[Azoriko]

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fair

I don't understand how you talk about GH / Sarms / Oral as a mix of things and all the other things to a person who wants to start
like it's some big money issue and gotta save money for muh gh (wheres yours btw?)
Is it hard to tell a doctor that you have erection problems and you wanna get tested? yeah sure you wouldn't get it every fucking week tho

 

[Loud_Jock]

fair

I don't understand how you talk about GH / Sarms / Oral as a mix of things and all the other things to a person who wants to start
like it's some big money issue and gotta save money for muh gh (wheres yours btw?)
Is it hard to tell a doctor that you have erection problems and you wanna get tested? yeah sure you wouldn't get it every fucking week tho

Well I don't disagree and sure money isn't the main concern at the start as most people can save up a couple of hundred dollars.

I only do very mild cycles personally. Might give HGH a try for quality of life and rejuvenation but I'm still on the fence.

 

[Azoriko]

Well I don't disagree and sure money isn't the main concern at the start as most people can save up a couple of hundred dollars.

this is legit what i was sayin tho

I only do very mild cycles personally. Might give HGH a try for quality of life and rejuvenation but I'm still on the fence.

stats? curious

 

[Loud_Jock]

this is legit what i was sayin tho


stats? curious

DYEL natty looking tbh. 208lbs and 6'2
Don't really care about getting bigger as I'm oldcel. Just roid for the amazing quality of life gains now.

 

[Azoriko]

DYEL natty looking tbh. 208lbs and 6'2
Don't really care about getting bigger as I'm oldcel. Just roid for the amazing quality of life gains now.

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ho yeah i saw that pic, respectable. 6'2 with that body you mog literally 99% of the people anywhere tbh.

 

[Highrise]

DYEL natty looking tbh. 208lbs and 6'2
Don't really care about getting bigger as I'm oldcel. Just roid for the amazing quality of life gains now.

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I'm a complete noob with steroids. I don't know anything. I find all the steroid talk on here confusing as hell.It's like trying to decipher another language with all the terms like PCT, anvar and what have you. What is a reliable and factual source to read up and learn apart from here. I'll train natty for the time being until I know for absolute sure what I'm doing.

 

[Azoriko]

I'll train natty for the time being until I know for absolute sure what I'm doing.

mission complete

 

[Highrise]

It's not just the cost of steroids. It's the ancillaries and blood work and medical checkups too. It adds up quickly. And if you put things like Anavar in your cycle it gets expensive fast, not mention HGH and stuff like that.

So it's the price of Test + whatever else + oral + SERM + Aromatize inhibitor + HCG + different types of needles. Then you need to pay for blood panels that check for E and T which most free medical checkups wont so you need to pay out of pocket which is expensive.

But sure if you just do some Test and don't really care about the other stuff then it's dirt cheap.

mission complete

 

[Loud_Jock]

I'm a complete noob with steroids. I don't know anything. I find all the steroid talk on here confusing as hell.It's like trying to decipher another language with all the terms like PCT, anvar and what have you. What is a reliable and factual source to read up and learn apart from here. I'll train natty for the time being until I know for absolute sure what I'm doing.

Reddit r/steroids is a good place to start. There is nothing to doing roids imo It's all about managing side effects, health and coming off roids that is the hard part.
I'm overly cautious myself as I don't even get any side effects at all at the dosages I do but better safe than sorry.

 

[Highrise]

Reddit r/steroids is a good place to start. There is nothing to doing roids imo It's all about managing side effects, health and coming off roids that is the hard part.
I'm overly cautious myself as I don't even get any side effects at all at the dosages I do but better safe than sorry.

How long have you been on it? Was you training natty before? At what point did you decide to take it to the next level?

 

[Azoriko]

Reddit r/steroids

this. I also like to read sources in a foreign language so I don't have too much to recommend besides reddit.
Understanding how to do a first cycle (theoretically) is not a problem, but you need to know how to deal with side effects that may happen, also you need to find a reliable source etc and let's be honest you're just a kid who don't know shit atm not even have a gym membership.
plus you know nothing about nutrition and training, so it's useless.


It's not a game like you think yay steroids..should i guys?!! what do u say?! In many cases this is a lifelong commitment

 

[Loud_Jock]

How long have you been on it? Was you training natty before? At what point did you decide to take it to the next level?

Been doing athletics my whole life pretty much, all natty and training at the gym on and off for like 6 of those.
Decided to hop on roids when i got old and had problems recovering from workouts and was tired all the time.

Only done a few cycles with test and then test + anavar because of low side effects. I don't blow up and get huge like some people apparently do but testosterone makes me feel amazing physically and mentally.

The risk of permanent shutdown is real and very scary though imo. I'm ready to HRT for life though.

 

[Azoriko]

I don't blow up and get huge like some people apparently do

fake anavar






just kidding i had to

 

[Deleted member 6045]

Lots of curry hate in this thread—even some kys talk. Love it boys, keep it up!

 

[Cares]

Best to learn how to do the lifts correctly because while roiding you can fuck yourself up with incorrect technique

 

[Bird Bluebird]

I'm a complete noob with steroids. I don't know anything. I find all the steroid talk on here confusing as hell.It's like trying to decipher another language with all the terms like PCT, anvar and what have you. What is a reliable and factual source to read up and learn apart from here. I'll train natty for the time being until I know for absolute sure what I'm doing.

First you should start to learn something about training and nutrition which is way more important than steroids. Cant run without learning to walk first

 

[Loud_Jock]

Best to learn how to do the lifts correctly because while roiding you can fuck yourself up with incorrect technique

Yup. I'll say one thing about roids, they do make you strong as fuck. Stronger than your ligaments and joints.

 

[Azoriko]

Best to learn how to do the lifts correctly because while roiding you can fuck yourself up with incorrect technique

while this is very true, that should be his last concern right now