Natty lifting is great

[Yuno101]

Just have a solid diet and training program and you can look like this in 4 years. You don’t need more muscle mass than this to appeal to women.

why take steroids and risk fucking your body when you can train naturally and look better than 99% of people?

 

[nsabi67]

Most people cant achieve this natty

 

[BedSleeper12]

Most people cant achieve this natty

most people dont train properly

 

[nsabi67]

most people dont train properly

That’s true but still with good diet and training a majority can’t achieve that even with roids

 

[Yuno101]

That’s true but still with good diet and training a majority can’t achieve that even with roids

Ofc you wont have his exact muscle insertion and skeletal frame, but you can get his level of muscle mass and leanness

 

[hej1377]

why take steroids and risk fucking your body when you can train naturally and look better than 99% of people?

Because instead of waiting 4 years you can do it in 3 months wihour having to really lockbin hard on diet and training, just the most efficient way to do it, if you seriously detriment your health on steroids you were a retard to begin with anyway so thats just darwinism which is good

 

[Yuno101]

Because instead of waiting 4 years you can do it in 3 months wihour having to really lockbin hard on diet and training, just the most efficient way to do it, if you seriously detriment your health on steroids you were a retard to begin with anyway so thats just darwinism which is good

If you can’t lock in your diet and training you’ll have trouble looking like that with gear. You’ll probably end up looking like Clav.

There are a lot of people on gear that look natural and not that great because they suck at training and diet

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

If you can’t lock in your diet and training you’ll have trouble looking like that with gear. You’ll probably end up looking like Clav.

There are a lot of people on gear that look natural and not that great because they suck at training and diet

Clav doesn’t look like he has muscle mass thou

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

The guy you posted is probably on steroids

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Or just do a few cycles and surpass your natural limit in less than a year

 

[hej1377]

If you can’t lock in your diet and training you’ll have trouble looking like that with gear. You’ll probably end up looking like Clav.

No, majority of hains from steroids are direct because they are just a signal, just like rrianing is, some indirect muscle happens tho as training is amplified when igf receptors bevome more sensitive

Also guess what clav would look like if he was natural, a lot worse, he has pectus excavatum, is 6'2,takes sissy doses, lean and broad and still mogs

We have tons of studies on the matter and even on low doses, damn near trt inactive steroid users blow optimal natties out the water and its not close

There are a lot of people on gear that look natural and not that great because they suck at training and diet

Yes there are lots of natural looking gear users but theres even less roided looking naturals, the natural looking gear users would look even kore natural if they actually were naturall, so they look better than they otherwise would which makes roiding superior, and they dont look like that because their training is bad they look like that because they have bad androgen receptor density and/or sensitivity

The only way your argument would be valid would be if natties and roiders with the same effort look equally as good or the natural looks better which obviously would be a ludicrous claim to make

 

[Chad]

Steroids are fucking mandatory.

End thread.

 

[Aqualad]

No, majority of hains from steroids are direct because they are just a signal, just like rrianing is, some indirect muscle happens tho as training is amplified when igf receptors bevome more sensitive

Also guess what clav would look like if he was natural, a lot worse, he has pectus excavatum, is 6'2,takes sissy doses, lean and broad and still mogs

We have tons of studies on the matter and even on low doses, damn near trt inactive steroid users blow optimal natties out the water and its not close

Yes there are lots of natural looking gear users but theres even less roided looking naturals, the natural looking gear users would look even kore natural if they actually were naturall, so they look better than they otherwise would which makes roiding superior, and they dont look like that because their training is bad they look like that because they have bad androgen receptor density and/or sensitivity

The only way your argument would be valid would be if natties and roiders with the same effort look equally as good or the natural looks better which obviously would be a ludicrous claim to make

Hey

You seem knowledgeable on fitness, could I DM you? I’m trying to understand how to properly train and diet

 

[hej1377]

Hey

You seem knowledgeable on fitness, could I DM you? I’m trying to understand how to properly train and diet

Sure go ahead

 

[rm4u]

In less than 4 years but ok

 

[BR32]

This is true

You can get very far naturally it just takes time and it isn't as sexy

Most people should stay natty

If you don't have good genetics don't run gear

 

[Dystopian]

ok lets see your physique buddy!

 

[Yuno101]

ok lets see your physique buddy!

This is me at 171 pounds

 

[flows5991]

you can look like this in 4 years.