Natural lifting = DYEL is a big misconception

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You can look DYEL in any clothing if it's not perfect fit size. Many roider's will say nattie's look DYEL in clothing which is true to a certain extent but it's because most of the time they decide to wear normal clothing size that isn't literally sticking to their skin every movement they make. It's the same for a enhanced/steroid user he can look DYEL if he wore a large shirt while lean and have it slightly loose which is what most lifter's whether natty or not look if your trying to appeal to the female gaze.

Most girl's i know definetely liked Muscular guy's but there is a correlation in shoulder dominant and back dominant guy's being seen as more hot/sexy by girl's. Also contray to belief you don't have to be lean and big at the same time to look sexy or hot to female's they still find a 15% Body fat percentage with more mass attractive and find it attractive IRL then on Camera/pic's where being lean and big is more important.

Social Media has also warped the perspective and view on what the "ideal" male body look's like because social media/fitness influencer's take steroid's and PED's to look good for their male audience since it's a marketing tool to attract other men who also want to "attract women" or other purpose's but in general it's to attract women and what they dont know is it's basically a persuasion scheme to get you to watch them and follow their footstep's when in reality they only stay jacked because they are making a earning/living of it. Not even to mention the lighting,pump,angle's, and other factor's that can play into how you percieve what the ideal male body look's like.

There is also no point in showing fitness influencer's as example's because that's their job... too look good with ped's or not it doesn't matter and you will never know if they are natural and genetic's play 80% of your body aesethetic's outcome.

The only objective thing girl's find attractive on a male body is a shoulder> back > arm dominant body


leave your thought's down and what you guy's think ( don't think from a .org perspective that think's sub 10% bf and 22 FFMI is ideal it's not that's obvious your persona is based off gym only)
 
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Show pics of natties that don’t look dyel
 
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You can look DYEL in any clothing if it's not perfect fit size. Many roider's will say nattie's look DYEL in clothing which is true to a certain extent but it's because most of the time they decide to wear normal clothing size that isn't literally sticking to their skin every movement they make. It's the same for a enhanced/steroid user he can look DYEL if he wore a large shirt while lean and have it slightly loose which is what most lifter's whether natty or not look if your trying to appeal to the female gaze.

Most girl's i know definetely liked Muscular guy's but there is a correlation in shoulder dominant and back dominant guy's being seen as more hot/sexy by girl's. Also contray to belief you don't have to be lean and big at the same time to look sexy or hot to female's they still find a 15% Body fat percentage with more mass attractive and find it attractive IRL then on Camera/pic's where being lean and big is more important.

Social Media has also warped the perspective and view on what the "ideal" male body look's like because social media/fitness influencer's take steroid's and PED's to look good for their male audience since it's a marketing tool to attract other men who also want to "attract women" or other purpose's but in general it's to attract women and what they dont know is it's basically a persuasion scheme to get you to watch them and follow their footstep's when in reality they only stay jacked because they are making a earning/living of it. Not even to mention the lighting,pump,angle's, and other factor's that can play into how you percieve what the ideal male body look's like.

There is also no point in showing fitness influencer's as example's because that's their job... too look good with ped's or not it doesn't matter and you will never know if they are natural and genetic's play 80% of your body aesethetic's outcome.

The only objective thing girl's find attractive on a male body is a shoulder> back > arm dominant body


leave your thought's down and what you guy's think ( don't think from a .org perspective that think's sub 10% bf and 22 FFMI is ideal it's not that's obvious your persona is based off gym only)
DYEL is real if you're a trannymorph (ectomorph) manlet with wide hips. So sorry but it's the reality for some people.
 
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Exactly you cant show pics of natties who look Dyel because you never 100% know their natty of not or if they have bad/below average genetics.
 
DYEL is real if you're a trannymorph (ectomorph) manlet with wide hips. So sorry but it's the reality for some people.

That’s not DYEL- DYEL refer’s to minimal to no gain’s or visible physiological change’s in muscle mass. Your case or being a trannymorph and ecto with wide hips is just klinefelter sydnrome i assume
 
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You can look DYEL in any clothing if it's not perfect fit size. Many roider's will say nattie's look DYEL in clothing which is true to a certain extent but it's because most of the time they decide to wear normal clothing size that isn't literally sticking to their skin every movement they make. It's the same for a enhanced/steroid user he can look DYEL if he wore a large shirt while lean and have it slightly loose which is what most lifter's whether natty or not look if your trying to appeal to the female gaze.

Most girl's i know definetely liked Muscular guy's but there is a correlation in shoulder dominant and back dominant guy's being seen as more hot/sexy by girl's. Also contray to belief you don't have to be lean and big at the same time to look sexy or hot to female's they still find a 15% Body fat percentage with more mass attractive and find it attractive IRL then on Camera/pic's where being lean and big is more important.

Social Media has also warped the perspective and view on what the "ideal" male body look's like because social media/fitness influencer's take steroid's and PED's to look good for their male audience since it's a marketing tool to attract other men who also want to "attract women" or other purpose's but in general it's to attract women and what they dont know is it's basically a persuasion scheme to get you to watch them and follow their footstep's when in reality they only stay jacked because they are making a earning/living of it. Not even to mention the lighting,pump,angle's, and other factor's that can play into how you percieve what the ideal male body look's like.

There is also no point in showing fitness influencer's as example's because that's their job... too look good with ped's or not it doesn't matter and you will never know if they are natural and genetic's play 80% of your body aesethetic's outcome.

The only objective thing girl's find attractive on a male body is a shoulder> back > arm dominant body


leave your thought's down and what you guy's think ( don't think from a .org perspective that think's sub 10% bf and 22 FFMI is ideal it's not that's obvious your persona is based off gym only)
Steroid users have to cope with ruining their body.
 
That’s not DYEL- DYEL refer’s to minimal to no gain’s or visible physiological change’s in muscle mass. Your case or being a trannymorph and ecto with wide hips is just klinefelter sydnrome i assume
It’s about frame! Some people don’t even lift weights and have huge shoulders and rib cages naturally so they look big. Getting to the point where your muscles compensate for your frame and you have bulging biceps would require roids for 99.9 percent of people. Humans aren’t designed to look like Mike Thurston !
 
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Like this Swedish Übermensch might be natural because he has a top tier frame and some muscle
 

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Steroid users have to cope with ruining their body.
its a necessity if you want to do well in the dating market as a normie facially
 
I make sure to wear tight clothing and do lil lat spread to widen the frame
 
I make sure to wear tight clothing and do lil lat spread to widen the frame
training rear delt's brings your posture up and brings ur chest foward which brings ur shoulders out more to the side then being in front of your body (bad posture)
 

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