Need help with first cycle

[softmaxxedcutecel]

Sorry, I know there's a lot of threads on how to start your first cycle but I'm getting mixed info and want to know my options. (I want to prioritize height&frame i dont rlly gaf about all that muscle shit)

From what I know, your first cycle should comprise of only testosterone. But testosterone cypionate or enanthate??

One thread I read mentioned you should also use HGH in your first cycle. Is this a good idea?

Also, is it a possible to pair an AI with your first cycle? Or would it fuck things up?

How do I dose things and how do I keep shit hidden from family? (theyr brainwashed)

I'm going to continue doing research of course but please give me literally any ideas or information you have please tysm for any info

 

[Ultramental]

Cypionate and enan are bio identical so its basically the same thing
HGH is always a good idea if you can afford it
If you take just test and not harder drugs like tren deca etc then AI is useless and can only create problems(assuming your test dose is normal)
300-600 mg of test can all yield very good results,can start at 300 and see where it goes from there

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

Cypionate and enan are bio identical so its basically the same thing
HGH is always a good idea if you can afford it
If you take just test and not harder drugs like tren deca etc then AI is useless and can only create problems(assuming your test dose is normal)
300-600 mg of test can all yield very good results,can start at 300 and see where it goes from there

Can I still use an AI if I just want to delay growth plate closure?

 

[Ultramental]

Can I still use an AI if I just want to delay growth plate closure?

Yes but only if you are 100% sure your plates are still open
And if plates are still open then u should go for HGH if you want the height advantage

 

[browridge]

Sorry, I know there's a lot of threads on how to start your first cycle but I'm getting mixed info and want to know my options. (I want to prioritize height&frame i dont rlly gaf about all that muscle shit)

From what I know, your first cycle should comprise of only testosterone. But testosterone cypionate or enanthate??

One thread I read mentioned you should also use HGH in your first cycle. Is this a good idea?

Also, is it a possible to pair an AI with your first cycle? Or would it fuck things up?

How do I dose things and how do I keep shit hidden from family? (theyr brainwashed)

I'm going to continue doing research of course but please give me literally any ideas or information you have please tysm for any info

test you can just hide in ur wardrobe, under your bed, etc

300 test for 6-8 weeks, see how you react to it (get bloods + see if you get any sides) then increase dose if you want

hgh is worth it if you can afford, however needs storing in fridge so buy like a drink bottle you can hide stuff in or a fake coke can or sum.

If you can get away with it i'd honestly not use an AI just me personally (keep one on hand just incase tho)

 

[TheOsei]

Sorry, I know there's a lot of threads on how to start your first cycle but I'm getting mixed info and want to know my options. (I want to prioritize height&frame i dont rlly gaf about all that muscle shit)

From what I know, your first cycle should comprise of only testosterone. But testosterone cypionate or enanthate??

One thread I read mentioned you should also use HGH in your first cycle. Is this a good idea?

Also, is it a possible to pair an AI with your first cycle? Or would it fuck things up?

How do I dose things and how do I keep shit hidden from family? (theyr brainwashed)

I'm going to continue doing research of course but please give me literally any ideas or information you have please tysm for any info

what is even your goal

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

test you can just hide in ur wardrobe, under your bed, etc

300 test for 6-8 weeks, see how you react to it (get bloods + see if you get any sides) then increase dose if you want

hgh is worth it if you can afford, however needs storing in fridge so buy like a drink bottle you can hide stuff in or a fake coke can or sum.

If you can get away with it i'd honestly not use an AI just me personally (keep one on hand just incase tho)

tysm

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

what is even your goal

I'm still in puberty so i'm just trying to maximize my growth and facial development

 

[doppiokun]

If I was you I would just take quality grade HGH with good enough dosage and chill, androgenic compounds even the simpler ones like Test are just useless for pure looksmaxxing(in my experience), specially if won't do any sport that requires it.
Also it has lots and lots of sides that you need to watch for

 

[doppiokun]

AI is neurotoxic and makes you lethargic

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

AI is neurotoxic and makes you lethargic

Is there any alternatives or other ways to slow down growth plate closure that are worth it? Do you really think I should just run HGH only? I feel like i'd be missing out

 

[TheOsei]

I'm still in puberty so i'm just trying to maximize my growth and facial development

then don't do testosterone lol
and HGH isn't worth it sub 16ius spend money elsewhere

 

[doppiokun]

Is there any alternatives or other ways to slow down growth plate closure that are worth it? Do you really think I should just run HGH only? I feel like i'd be missing out

I mean you can get a less potent variation and divide your dosages, I'd do it this way if my growth plates weren't closed alr

 

[doppiokun]

But I would do HGH with AI just to delete part of my natural T's conversion to E, not synthetic Test because that's way higher

 

[doppiokun]

then don't do testosterone lol
and HGH isn't worth it sub 16ius spend money elsewhere

what you can do as 16yo if not socially acceptable procedures like accutane

 

[doppiokun]

Btw I used prescribed HGH because growth deficiency when I was 10-12yo and I got like 2in height in a very low dose, it really works. I would suppose that you're gatekeeping but yea.
So it specially works the younger you are
Im using it now 3-5ui depending on my circadian rithym

then don't do testosterone lol
and HGH isn't worth it sub 16ius spend money elsewhere

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

But I would do HGH with AI just to delete part of my natural T's conversion to E, not synthetic Test because that's way higher

sorry if i misunderstood some things but is it really not worth it to take test? won't taking testosterone impact my facial development in a way that my natural test can't?

 

[pingukraz]

Sorry, I know there's a lot of threads on how to start your first cycle but I'm getting mixed info and want to know my options. (I want to prioritize height&frame i dont rlly gaf about all that muscle shit)

From what I know, your first cycle should comprise of only testosterone. But testosterone cypionate or enanthate??

One thread I read mentioned you should also use HGH in your first cycle. Is this a good idea?

Also, is it a possible to pair an AI with your first cycle? Or would it fuck things up?

How do I dose things and how do I keep shit hidden from family? (theyr brainwashed)

I'm going to continue doing research of course but please give me literally any ideas or information you have please tysm for any info

low dose test dont stress to much about ester.
take tren and var or halo if you could handle it. Keep hgh 8+ ius every night
i would take aromasin 12.5 eod but it really depends how much you aromatise but for sure take an ai
take nootropics and watch out for your liver if your gonna take halo
this is pretty much a basic normal stack if you actually wanna heightmaxx

 

[pingukraz]

sorry if i misunderstood some things but is it really not worth it to take test? won't taking testosterone impact my facial development in a way that my natural test can't?

take test but low dose it and always use an ai and or serm dht derivitaves are gonna be more helpful than test

 

[doppiokun]

sorry if i misunderstood some things but is it really not worth it to take test? won't taking testosterone impact my facial development in a way that my natural test can't?

It increases bone mineral density, but in my case I didnt noticed literal forward growth because it will only accelerate your natural development due to E conversion, with full AI blocking I didn't came across explanations for this phenomena yet.
Can bring difficulties to later treatments/surgery because your bones will be more hard and ofc mature, always ideal to do stuff the younger and more flexible your body are.
You can enlarge your bones with HGH and/or just do expansion/surgery which brings true forward growth because it changes the position of your bones, latter being kinda obvious ik.

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

low dose test dont stress to much about ester.
take tren and var or halo if you could handle it. Keep hgh 8+ ius every night
i would take aromasin 12.5 eod but it really depends how much you aromatise but for sure take an ai
take nootropics and watch out for your liver if your gonna take halo
this is pretty much a basic normal stack if you actually wanna heightmaxx

thank you so much for all this but could this work as a first cycle or how should I progress into taking most of this?

 

[doppiokun]

also test will increase your sex drive a whole lot, dont even need to talk about tren because more plates more dates dude has a lot of coverage on this lmao

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

also test will increase your sex drive a whole lot, dont even need to talk about tren because more plates more dates dude has a lot of coverage on this lmao

yeah im not sure if tren is for me lol

 

[doppiokun]

I alr read a lot of og guides on hormonemaxxing and they always provide the cycle compound info but not the effects for the premisse of forward growth.
The one that comes up to my mind is that one with studies regarding the androgenic difference in forward growth between groups of pre pubescent children with androgen(?) deficiency with or without compound enhancement, but I don't the see case study being as effective for normal people because the study group is just far gone idk...
But thats my perspective, I might be missing something.
Risk management is very important

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

I alr read a lot of og guides on hormonemaxxing and they always provide the cycle compound info but not the effects for the premisse of forward growth.
The one that comes up to my mind is that one with studies regarding the androgenic difference in forward growth between groups of pre pubescent children with androgen(?) deficiency with or without compound enhancement, but I don't the see case study being as effective for normal people because the study group is just far gone idk...
But thats my perspective, I might be missing something.
Risk management is very important

damn idk what to think now lol Im not sure what to do

 

[doppiokun]

dunning-kruger moment
just like surgery you need to research a lot before taking important steps\
as i said i took test and regretted it but HGH is worth the investment if you have that money

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

dunning-kruger moment
just like surgery you need to research a lot before taking important steps\
as i said i took test and regretted it but HGH is worth the investment if you have that money

yea man i need to learn a lot I dont have shit rn but I just wanted to create a cycle before I start getting stuff. Why did you regret taking test? sorry if im dragging things out but im trying to learn and im genuinely curious

 

[doppiokun]

yea man i need to learn a lot I dont have shit rn but I just wanted to create a cycle before I start getting stuff. Why did you regret taking test? sorry if im dragging things out but im trying to learn and im genuinely curious

because it makes you bald even with 5ar, angry, balls will shrink even if you put hcg mid or after cycle, crazy sex drive, dead muscle mass without any functional use, skin becomes flaky everywhere.
Everyone will notice and can differ even if you try to hide it.

 

[doppiokun]

My current regimen is just HGH 5ui and compounds to control organ growth, blood pressure and to piss all the insulin because of diabetes risk.

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

because it makes you bald even with 5ar, angry, balls will shrink even if you put hcg mid or after cycle, crazy sex drive, dead muscle mass without any functional use, skin becomes flaky everywhere.
Everyone will notice and can differ even if you try to hide it.

from your knowledge/exp does this happen in high doses only or is this pretty much just the test experience

 

[doppiokun]

from your knowledge/exp does this happen in high doses only or is this pretty much just the test experience

i started with 500mg and diminished constantly into 150mg in three months, I was just on that "whatever it takes mentality".
If you want to do Test don't go further than 300mg and plan all exams and dates beforehand.
If anything, try to find a doc that will agree to help you, but thats hard in your case because youre 16

 

[doppiokun]

HGH is just my go-to because of multiple factors, the only barrier for other people is the price

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

i started with 500mg and diminished constantly into 150mg in three months, I was just on that "whatever it takes mentality".
If you want to do Test don't go further than 300mg and plan all exams and dates beforehand.
If anything, try to find a doc that will agree to help you, but thats hard in your case because youre 16

of course im still gonna plan things for a while but i am considering doing test but definitely low dosage after everything you warned me about. I know you said AI's were neurotoxic but are they really that bad? is there not a single somewhat safe one? also can you recommend any compounds to manage the sides of HGH? i dont want to go out like freak the mighty LMAO (plz get the reference)

 

[doppiokun]

of course im still gonna plan things for a while but i am considering doing test but definitely low dosage after everything you warned me about. I know you said AI's were neurotoxic but are they really that bad? is there not a single somewhat safe one? also can you recommend any compounds to manage the sides of HGH? i dont want to go out like freak the mighty LMAO (plz get the reference)

Not that bad if you take a less potent type with good dose management, in your case you need to heightmax so the pros outweight the sides.
Telmisartan, rosuvastatin and dapaglifozin that I use currently but with test you might add ezetimibe and tamoxifen.
It only gives acromegaly if you use higher dosages for longer periods and with your plates closed, because the growth will be redirected to the pure size of your cartilages and bones, instead of a diverse puberty-like growth

 

[doppiokun]

I wouldnt go any further than 5ui because it has diabetes risk and will be expensive af to maintain

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

Not that bad if you take a less potent type with good dose management, in your case you need to heightmax so the pros outweight the sides.
Telmisartan, rosuvastatin and dapaglifozin that I use currently but with test you might add ezetimibe and tamoxifen.
It only gives acromegaly if you use higher dosages for longer periods and with your plates closed, because the growth will be redirected to the pure size of your cartilages and bones, instead of a diverse puberty-like growth

Wow, genuinely thank you so much. You've literally helped me a shit ton lol. I have to go but would you mind sometime if I private messaged you if I needed some help? even if not thanks so much man this means a lot to me

 

[doppiokun]

No problem bro, glad it helped. Feel free to PM me whenever.
I have low post/rep count because I stopped full on lurking recently, coinciding with the fact I purchased VIP

 

[doppiokun]

Not that bad if you take a less potent type with good dose management, in your case you need to heightmax so the pros outweight the sides.
Telmisartan, rosuvastatin and dapaglifozin that I use currently but with test you might add ezetimibe and tamoxifen.
It only gives acromegaly if you use higher dosages for longer periods and with your plates closed, because the growth will be redirected to the pure size of your cartilages and bones, instead of a diverse puberty-like growth

Not only heightmax but with open sutures everything will grow more than without open sutures.

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

No problem bro, glad it helped. Feel free to PM me whenever.
I have low post/rep count because I stopped full on lurking recently, coinciding with the fact I purchased VIP

hey man I've been trying to PM but it seems like im unable to

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

@doppiokun did u block me or sum shit

 

[doppiokun]

@doppiokun did u block me or sum shit

no, i just deleted the conversation

 

[softmaxxedcutecel]

no, i just deleted the conversation

lmao sorry i had to do something and came back and didnt know