Need high iq cel🙏🙏 I have no maxilla and i have class 3 help

[choro]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wisdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??

And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw(English is my second language so it might be weird sry about that)

 

[choro]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wosdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170
And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw

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[Snicket]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel

Class 3s are a lot more common in Asians than Caucasians. How many millimetres is your underbite?

my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wosdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170

Facemasks are pretty much useless at your age. The sutures of the maxilla start closing at the age of 12 and the maxilla reaches maturity at around 16.

And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw

Orthotropics is a scam, especially after 12 years old.
For that kind of money, you might as well look at jaw surgery. You'll get a better outcome.

 

[choro]

Class 3s are a lot more common in Asians than Caucasians. How many millimetres is your underbite?

Facemasks are pretty much useless at your age. The sutures of the maxilla start closing at the age of 12 and the maxilla reaches maturity at around 16.

For that kind of money, you might as well look at jaw surgery. You'll get a better outcome.

Idk how many millimeter it is but it's not that much I think like 1mm or 2mm (it's just my think I need 3mm forward expansion to fix my bite

 

[Snicket]

Idk how many millimeter it is but it's not that much I think like 1mm or 2mm (it's just my think I need 3mm forward expansion to fix my bite

Yep, it doesn't look like much.
However, both your jaws are retruded (underdeveloped) and need advancement.

If you want the best aesthetic outcome, the answer is definitely jaw surgery in this case.
I'm very conservative about surgery compared to the vast majority of users here but think you're a very good candidate.

 

[choro]

Yep, it doesn't look like much.
However, both your jaws are retruded (underdeveloped) and need advancement.

If you want the best aesthetic outcome, the answer is definitely jaw surgery in this case.
I'm very conservative about surgery compared to the vast majority of people here but think you're a very good candidate.

Yes I think that also but I don't know about surgery that much and I don't want lf1 i want to be professional mma fighter so I don't want to get surgery but thanks

 

[Snicket]

Yes I think that also but I don't know about surgery that much and I don't want lf1 i want to be professional mma fighter so I don't want to get surgery but thanks

Okay if surgery is not an option here, then the second best option is likely camouflage orthodontics.

It won't solve the underlying problem with the jaws but the bite discrepancy is so small that it should - at least superficially- get rid of your underbite.

Even ignoring the poor efficacy of facemasks in late teens and older, using a face-mask at your age would almost certainly require an expander to split the sutures of your skull. Therefore, it must be ruled out if you want to do MMA fighting as well.

Hope this is informative.

 

[choro]

Okay if surgery is not an option here, then the second best option is likely camouflage orthodontics.

It won't solve the underlying problem with the jaws but the bite discrepancy is so small that it should - at least superficially- get rid of your underbite.

Even ignoring the poor efficacy of facemasks in late teens and older, using a face-mask at your age would almost certainly require an expander to split the sutures of your skull. Therefore, it must be ruled out if you want to do MMA fighting as well.

Hope this is informative.

Also I'm thinking about hgh and test when I get ortho stuff should I do after ortho or during ortho

 

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[Snicket]

Also I'm thinking about hgh and test when I get ortho stuff should I do after ortho or during ortho

I don't see why it couldn't be done concurrently with orthodontic treatment.
Your mandible might have a little more growth left but I doubt this would be affected meaningfully by HGH.
However, this is not something I'm knowledgeable about. You should ask an orthodontist just to be safe.

 

[effigies]

Do you have down syndrome by any chance?

 

[choro]

Do you have down syndrome by any chance?

Joined Mar 18, 2025

 

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[choro]

Class 3s are a lot more common in Asians than Caucasians. How many millimetres is your underbite?

Facemasks are pretty much useless at your age. The sutures of the maxilla start closing at the age of 12 and the maxilla reaches maturity at around 16.

Orthotropics is a scam, especially after 12 years old.
For that kind of money, you might as well look at jaw surgery. You'll get a better outcome.

Idk why my entire family don't have class3 my great grandad was a handsome and my mom's side also don't have underbite or any of shit idk why but it's only me

 

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[Corpuscula]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wisdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170
And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw(English is my second language so it might be weird sry about that)

How do u know your growth plates are open

 

[choro]

How do u know your growth plates are open

Nigga going doctor

 

[Corpuscula]

Nigga going doctor

Send pic

 

[choro]

Send pic

Don't have thoes pic

 

[badexilw]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wisdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170
And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw(English is my second language so it might be weird sry about that)

never saw someone more recessed than u over little rice bowl

 

[choro]

never saw someone more recessed than u over little rice bowl

At least I'm 6'1

 

[choro]

never saw someone more recessed than u over little rice bowl

Am I that recessed I want see what is normal and what is ideal

 

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[badexilw]

At least I'm 6'1

who cares i m 6,3 and what u gonna do abt this

 

[choro]

who cares i m 6,3 and what u gonna do abt this

Why are you so mad I didn't meant to make you angry I'm just saying I'm OK because at least I'm not short nobody mean to you why are you got angry idk why you so mad

 

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you look like this?

 

[quantitativePSL]

Lefort 2 asap

 

[choro]

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you look like this?

Nah I'm way better than that lil nigga

 

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[stufftodo]

holy shit top 10 flattest maxilla i've ever seen on a scan

i've never even seen such a maxilla when i lived in japan

 

[stufftodo]

Class 3s are a lot more common in Asians than Caucasians. How many millimetres is your underbite?

Facemasks are pretty much useless at your age. The sutures of the maxilla start closing at the age of 12 and the maxilla reaches maturity at around 16.

Orthotropics is a scam, especially after 12 years old.
For that kind of money, you might as well look at jaw surgery. You'll get a better outcome.

agreed with orthotropics ngl

the only doctor i really like who does orthotropics is dr. daisy song

 

[stufftodo]

Am I that recessed I want see what is normal and what is ideal

sean o pry would be ideal, besides his nose.

and this would be a properly developed side profile.

 

[choro]

holy shit top 10 flattest maxilla i've ever seen on a scan

i've never even seen such a maxilla when i lived in japan

I was mouth breather since 7y~12y old Because I had asthma and fat ass but I breath through nose after lose some fat and I did proper tounge posture at 15

 

[choro]

holy shit top 10 flattest maxilla i've ever seen on a scan

i've never even seen such a maxilla when i lived in japan

1~6 sometimes I breathe through mouth sometimes I breathe through nose 50 50 but I get fat I became mouth breather

 

[kana]

I'm sorry dawg it's GG's unless you get surgery but you can try coping with thumb pulling, and you just had your wisdom teeth removed ... prepare for somehow, your face to become even more recessed, I'm so sorry bro but you just simply have failed craniofacial development

 

[kana]

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[Ogionth]

I'm sorry dawg it's GG's unless you get surgery but you can try coping with thumb pulling, and you just had your wisdom teeth removed ... prepare for somehow, your face to become even more recessed, I'm so sorry bro but you just simply have failed craniofacial development

His maxillary recession looks even more severe (than East asians) because of his underbite, even tho the underbite is very small. So fixing the underbite via orthodontic camouflage could help his forward growth by a very few bits but again, the problem is that his mandible isn't well developed either. So just fixing the underbite won't help him as his mandible will remain recessed (it might even get worse but not necessarily) and so will his maxilla (it will be a bit better than it currently is but will still be recessed and also he's East Asian so...).

There is no choice, but Bimaxillary Osteotomy and his underbite is very small so this means that it will be made bigger (over an year or two) and then Bimax will be performed and that could help him fix this.

 

[choro]

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sean o pry would be ideal, besides his nose.

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and this would be a properly developed side profile.

Shows me properly developed maxilla x ray

 

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[kolwak]

Class 3s are a lot more common in Asians than Caucasians. How many millimetres is your underbite?

Facemasks are pretty much useless at your age. The sutures of the maxilla start closing at the age of 12 and the maxilla reaches maturity at around 16.

Orthotropics is a scam, especially after 12 years old.
For that kind of money, you might as well look at jaw surgery. You'll get a better outcome.

false- facemasks work great if your 16, esp if you use high force elastics. for 24h daily you will see at least a few mm of growth

 

[Anth0ny]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wisdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170
And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw(English is my second language so it might be weird sry about that)

Maxilla looks recessed AF, nasal cavity small, palate narrow classic maxillary deficiency. No forward projection, midface is flat, probably got subhuman under-eye support and negative canthal tilt from this.

Class II mandible protrudes way past maxilla. Side profile probably looks like a crescent moon (brutal). Maxilla needs 3-5mm forward growth to hit normie tier.

Class III underbite = subhuman midface projection. PSL score probably capped at 4/10 with this bone structure.

No maxilla = no zygos, no nasal projection, probably got a flat ricecel nose too.

Orthodontist is a grifter, dismissing face mask and palate expander = he’s trying to keep you subhuman.

12k for orthotropics is a scam unless the doc is legit (most aren’t).

get reverse pull headgear + palate expander ditch your current orthodontist, he’s a looksminning cuck. Find a functional orthodontist

If you can’t get enough growth by 18-20 get lefort or its over

 

[choro]

I'm 16.6 years old 6'1ft my growth plates still open as you can see I'm rice cel my jews orthodontist don't want to fix my maxilla and he pulled out my wisdom teeth they said i don't need palate expender or face mask any of shit and i should stop watching ortho stuff lol they gave me inclined plane but i don't use them i need just more forward growth any ideas??View attachment 3592169View attachment 3592170
And I went to orthtropic also they want to pay fucking 12000 dollors to fix my jaw(English is my second language so it might be weird sry about that)

Thank you for everyone that give me tips I love you all I will get pre with face mask and steroids thanks

 

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[IrishSlayer1483]

Idk how many millimeter it is but it's not that much I think like 1mm or 2mm (it's just my think I need 3mm forward expansion to fix my bite

get bimax to achieve that 3 mm then ramus implant because dont have one because the orthos took out ur wisdom teeth