Need Significant Help and Opinions on Forwardontics Bow + Enhanced @ 16M (possible MARPE) GTFIH

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Plan:
Use an online unregulated shop to order a Hawley retainer with arrow clasps for grip. Add reverse pull hooks.

Order the forwardontics bow from forwardontics.com. I have a slightly recessed maxilla so the point is to cause forward and upward growth and CCW rotation.

If sutures already closed, get MARPE and force the midpalatal suture open. This coincidentally also opens surround circummaxillary sutures allowing for forward growth again if closed. Get MARPE by larping and lying to a dentist about narrow palate, how I can’t mew, feels crowded in the top even though my bite is good, and my nasal breathing is difficult and uncomfortable with my upper molars not “fitting” well on my lower. Issue is I genuinely don’t think I need MARPE and idk if it could fuck up my face.

This route is extreme undesirable because of how many unknowns it brings up with messing up facial measurements. It’s so confusing to the point it’s easier to just roll the dice instead of trying to understand the effects it can have on your face. So hopefully the sutures are still open and responsive.

If they are open, I need to pray that diy buying this stuff without supervision and putting the rubbers on the reverse pull hooks on my retainer doesn’t cause asymmetry and that both sides are evenly open. No way to know. This is a “roll the dice” situation. So extreme to the point if I get fucked up idk if surgery can even save the asymmetry.

Enhancements:
Test E 800mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
NPP 100mg/week
Possibly equipoise
Teriparatide 40mg/day
Aromasin to 10-15pg/mL E2
Tamoxifen for growth plates
Telmisartan
Ezetimibe if needed
Rosuvastatin if needed (these two are very unlikely to be used)
HGH 8IU daily
Berberine HCl
C60 for antioxidant
Glutathione occasionally for additional antioxidant
OS-01 for SASP (highly likely to drop as it may be BS)
Bpc-157 and TB-500 for growth plate lifespan elongation and joint healing
hCG and hMG
Epithalon

Protocol: Wear it on school days for 10-14 hours, on weekends for 23+ hours. Sleep on back. Question I need help with is how risky is this, can this stack and shit looksmin me, and is there a better route.
Side profile before anything:
Ones where I look shit is where I’m inactive and the one where I look chiseled is from when I lock in for like one work out or two and I restart my lymph and everything.

 

[the foid stalker]

will write an entire essay but can't send a pic dnr

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

will write an entire essay but can't send a pic dnr

Pic of my side profile? That’s easy to do

 

[the foid stalker]

Pic of my side profile? That’s easy to do

send it then tf?

 

[Foidmaxxer]

ditch that teri and use abalo its better for that purpose. If caucasian ur sutures will 100% be open at 16. Theoretically if you would use abalo first with the facemask for 6months and then abalo+romo for another 6 would give the best results.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

send it then tf?

Added it

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

ditch that teri and use abalo its better for that purpose. If caucasian ur sutures will 100% be open at 16. Theoretically if you would use abalo first with the facemask for 6months and then abalo+romo for another 6 would give the best results.

Can’t access abalo and I’m pretty sure they do the same thing. I’m using a forwardontics bow not a facemask if you thought it’s something else

 

[the foid stalker]

Added it

are you east asian?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

are you east asian?

No

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

are you east asian?

So what do you think? I didn’t upload them for no reason brother haha, but let me know if you think it’s safe or not and etc etc

 

[the foid stalker]

So what do you think? I didn’t upload them for no reason brother haha, but let me know if you think it’s safe or not and etc etc

I think this drug stack is actual suicide and you will looksmin yourself irreversibly.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

I think this drug stack is actual suicide and you will looksmin yourself irreversibly.

Please expand on the why and how that’s what I’m trying to get help with and what else to do

 

[pethan]

Plan:
Use an online unregulated shop to order a Hawley retainer with arrow clasps for grip. Add reverse pull hooks.

Order the forwardontics bow from forwardontics.com. I have a slightly recessed maxilla so the point is to cause forward and upward growth and CCW rotation.

If sutures already closed, get MARPE and force the midpalatal suture open. This coincidentally also opens surround circummaxillary sutures allowing for forward growth again if closed. Get MARPE by larping and lying to a dentist about narrow palate, how I can’t mew, feels crowded in the top even though my bite is good, and my nasal breathing is difficult and uncomfortable with my upper molars not “fitting” well on my lower. Issue is I genuinely don’t think I need MARPE and idk if it could fuck up my face.

This route is extreme undesirable because of how many unknowns it brings up with messing up facial measurements. It’s so confusing to the point it’s easier to just roll the dice instead of trying to understand the effects it can have on your face. So hopefully the sutures are still open and responsive.

If they are open, I need to pray that diy buying this stuff without supervision and putting the rubbers on the reverse pull hooks on my retainer doesn’t cause asymmetry and that both sides are evenly open. No way to know. This is a “roll the dice” situation. So extreme to the point if I get fucked up idk if surgery can even save the asymmetry.

Enhancements:
Test E 800mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
NPP 100mg/week
Possibly equipoise
Teriparatide 40mg/day
Aromasin to 10-15pg/mL E2
Tamoxifen for growth plates
Telmisartan
Ezetimibe if needed
Rosuvastatin if needed (these two are very unlikely to be used)
HGH 8IU daily
Berberine HCl
C60 for antioxidant
Glutathione occasionally for additional antioxidant
OS-01 for SASP (highly likely to drop as it may be BS)
Bpc-157 and TB-500 for growth plate lifespan elongation and joint healing
hCG and hMG
Epithalon

Protocol: Wear it on school days for 10-14 hours, on weekends for 23+ hours. Sleep on back. Question I need help with is how risky is this, can this stack and shit looksmin me, and is there a better route.
Side profile before anything:
Ones where I look shit is where I’m inactive and the one where I look chiseled is from when I lock in for like one work out or two and I restart my lymph and everything.

Your mandible alr quite recessed, maxillary fg would make it even worse jfl

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Your mandible alr quite recessed, maxillary fg would make it even worse jfl

Not concerned about the mandible. That’s going to grow and fill out either way with the stack and maturation. What I’m concerned about is if the maxilla will also catch up

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Bump

 

[Foidmaxxer]

Can’t access abalo and I’m pretty sure they do the same thing. I’m using a forwardontics bow not a facemask if you thought it’s something else

abalo is better than teri for boneremodeling and sutural growth. Forwardontics bow has the same goal as facemask. Btw are you actually gonna buy the 550dollar bow or do you have some cheaper choice.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

abalo is better than teri for boneremodeling and sutural growth. Forwardontics bow has the same goal as facemask. Btw are you actually gonna buy the 550dollar bow or do you have some cheaper choice.

Honestly don’t know man that’s all I can find, reverse pull headgear is ass for my chin and mandible. If that’s what you mean by “face mask” there’s no way I’m wearing it. Don’t know the logic behind abaloparatide being better and I have no clue where to source it

 

[Inside]

Orthos are not it, save up for surgery.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Orthos are not it, save up for surgery.

Surgery is too expensive, I would rather try my best to fix it semi “naturally” (I put it in quotes cuz I’m enhanced), but in general I’d like to avoid surgery.

 

[Inside]

Surgery is too expensive, I would rather try my best to fix it semi “naturally” (I put it in quotes cuz I’m enhanced), but in general I’d like to avoid surgery.

its really not, just cope with genioplasty

 

[kranerman23123]

Plan:
Use an online unregulated shop to order a Hawley retainer with arrow clasps for grip. Add reverse pull hooks.

Order the forwardontics bow from forwardontics.com. I have a slightly recessed maxilla so the point is to cause forward and upward growth and CCW rotation.

If sutures already closed, get MARPE and force the midpalatal suture open. This coincidentally also opens surround circummaxillary sutures allowing for forward growth again if closed. Get MARPE by larping and lying to a dentist about narrow palate, how I can’t mew, feels crowded in the top even though my bite is good, and my nasal breathing is difficult and uncomfortable with my upper molars not “fitting” well on my lower. Issue is I genuinely don’t think I need MARPE and idk if it could fuck up my face.

This route is extreme undesirable because of how many unknowns it brings up with messing up facial measurements. It’s so confusing to the point it’s easier to just roll the dice instead of trying to understand the effects it can have on your face. So hopefully the sutures are still open and responsive.

If they are open, I need to pray that diy buying this stuff without supervision and putting the rubbers on the reverse pull hooks on my retainer doesn’t cause asymmetry and that both sides are evenly open. No way to know. This is a “roll the dice” situation. So extreme to the point if I get fucked up idk if surgery can even save the asymmetry.

Enhancements:
Test E 800mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
NPP 100mg/week
Possibly equipoise
Teriparatide 40mg/day
Aromasin to 10-15pg/mL E2
Tamoxifen for growth plates
Telmisartan
Ezetimibe if needed
Rosuvastatin if needed (these two are very unlikely to be used)
HGH 8IU daily
Berberine HCl
C60 for antioxidant
Glutathione occasionally for additional antioxidant
OS-01 for SASP (highly likely to drop as it may be BS)
Bpc-157 and TB-500 for growth plate lifespan elongation and joint healing
hCG and hMG
Epithalon

Protocol: Wear it on school days for 10-14 hours, on weekends for 23+ hours. Sleep on back. Question I need help with is how risky is this, can this stack and shit looksmin me, and is there a better route.
Side profile before anything:
Ones where I look shit is where I’m inactive and the one where I look chiseled is from when I lock in for like one work out or two and I restart my lymph and everything.

Won't do anything better off hardmaxxing

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

its really not, just cope with genioplasty

Dude are you joking? Why would I get genioplasty. Do you realize I’m 16 and my mandible still has hella to grow with enhancements? Did you even read anything?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Won't do anything better off hardmaxxing

This is hardmaxxing, you wouldn’t calling it “softmaxxing”, enhanced protocol for 3 years I just need to know the optimized diy ortho route because major results are possible

 

[kranerman23123]

This is hardmaxxing, you wouldn’t calling it “softmaxxing”, enhanced protocol for 3 years I just need to know the optimized diy ortho route because major results are possible

No they aren't. "Enhanced protocol" snake oil buzzwords. Drugs won't change your facial bones

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

No they aren't. "Enhanced protocol" snake oil buzzwords. Drugs won't change your facial bones

Maybe if you’re in your early 20s they won’t lmfao, L ragebait bro

 

[Inside]

Dude are you joking? Why would I get genioplasty. Do you realize I’m 16 and my mandible still has hella to grow with enhancements? Did you even read anything?

you wrote a bunch of cope , your mandible wont project from drugs, also genio wont work, u need djs, have a good day

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

you wrote a bunch of cope , your mandible wont project from drugs, also genio wont work, u need djs, have a good day

You’re a retard, androgens cause direct mandibular growth in adolescence and influence maxillary minorly. The ortho isn’t focused on mandibular growth because that’s already covered by the androgens and HGH + Teriparatide, what is more of concern is maxillary forward growth. You’re speaking out of your ass without knowing what you’re saying. 16-20 is when the most mandibular growth happens and is directly influenced by ANDROGENS you shittard

 

[Inside]

You’re a retard, androgens cause direct mandibular growth in adolescence and influence maxillary minorly. The ortho isn’t focused on mandibular growth because that’s already covered by the androgens and HGH + Teriparatide, what is more of concern is maxillary forward growth. You’re speaking out of your ass without knowing what you’re saying. 16-20 is when the most mandibular growth happens and is directly influenced by ANDROGENS you shittard

you should get some drugs to increase your iq, not your mandible

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

you should get some drugs to increase your iq, not your mandible

Instead of going on a diet to lose the weight you have, you should go on a surgery bro, it’s way better

 

[Inside]

Instead of going on a diet to lose the weight you have, you should go on a surgery bro, it’s way better

what does losing weight have to do with a nose tip rotation?

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

what does losing weight have to do with a nose tip rotation?

very good question brother, when did I say that has anything to do with nose tip

 

[Inside]

very good question brother, when did I say that has anything to do with nose tip

thats was the surgery i was talk ab in my post which u stalked on my profile because u re mad

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

thats was the surgery i was talk ab in my post which u stalked on my profile because u re mad

are you fucking schizo I never even touched your profile you idiot, I literally used that weight surgery as an analogy to show how stupid it is to say to get liposuction instead of just working out and losing the weight similar to how you’re saying get surgery when you can literally get the same if not better results, if you get genio you’re only addressing a symptom and not a root cause

 

[Inside]

are you fucking schizo I never even touched your profile you idiot, I literally used that weight surgery as an analogy to show how stupid it is to say to get liposuction instead of just working out and losing the weight similar to how you’re saying get surgery when you can literally get the same if not better results, if you get genio you’re only addressing a symptom and not a root cause

your analogy is stupid, you can lose fat but you cant project your chin, also your cope stack is more expensive than just getting surgery which i dont wanna be rude but you kinda need djs

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

your analogy is stupid, you can lose fat but you cant project your chin, also your cope stack is more expensive than just getting surgery which i dont wanna be rude but you kinda need djs

The stack is not cope, this is literal enhancement If it doesn’t work, I’m getting trimax, but you’re acting as if at 16 mandibular growth isn’t possible. With AAS and high IGF-1, at 16-19 you can easily get 8+mm mandibular growth, idk how you don’t understand this dude

 

[Inside]

The stack is not cope, this is literal enhancement If it doesn’t work, I’m getting trimax, but you’re acting as if at 16 mandibular growth isn’t possible. With AAS and high IGF-1, at 16-19 you can easily get 8+mm mandibular growth, idk how you don’t understand this dude

you do you bro

 

[kranerman23123]

Maybe if you’re in your early 20s they won’t lmfao, L ragebait bro

They won't do anything at all. With all that money you will spend on all those random Chinese drugs the next 4 years, you could instead enjoy your bluepilled childhood while saving up and immediately get implants trimax and grafting the moment you turn 18, it might even be cheaper, and that version of you mogs the fuck out of the version of you that spends all the money on this stupid snake oil

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

They won't do anything at all. With all that money you will spend on all those random Chinese drugs the next 4 years, you could instead enjoy your bluepilled childhood while saving up and immediately get implants trimax and grafting the moment you turn 18, it might even be cheaper, and that version of you mogs the fuck out of the version of you that spends all the money on this stupid snake oil

What Chinese drugs?? These are steroids from the GREAT USA

 

[kranerman23123]

What Chinese drugs?? These are steroids from the GREAT USA

It was just a one off comment to further belittle the dumb idea. You can get these drugs straight from an NBA pharmacist and they still will do absolutely nothing to impact your facial attractiveness

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Plan:
Use an online unregulated shop to order a Hawley retainer with arrow clasps for grip. Add reverse pull hooks.

Order the forwardontics bow from forwardontics.com. I have a slightly recessed maxilla so the point is to cause forward and upward growth and CCW rotation.

If sutures already closed, get MARPE and force the midpalatal suture open. This coincidentally also opens surround circummaxillary sutures allowing for forward growth again if closed. Get MARPE by larping and lying to a dentist about narrow palate, how I can’t mew, feels crowded in the top even though my bite is good, and my nasal breathing is difficult and uncomfortable with my upper molars not “fitting” well on my lower. Issue is I genuinely don’t think I need MARPE and idk if it could fuck up my face.

This route is extreme undesirable because of how many unknowns it brings up with messing up facial measurements. It’s so confusing to the point it’s easier to just roll the dice instead of trying to understand the effects it can have on your face. So hopefully the sutures are still open and responsive.

If they are open, I need to pray that diy buying this stuff without supervision and putting the rubbers on the reverse pull hooks on my retainer doesn’t cause asymmetry and that both sides are evenly open. No way to know. This is a “roll the dice” situation. So extreme to the point if I get fucked up idk if surgery can even save the asymmetry.

Enhancements:
Test E 800mg/week
Mast E 600mg/week
NPP 100mg/week
Possibly equipoise
Teriparatide 40mg/day
Aromasin to 10-15pg/mL E2
Tamoxifen for growth plates
Telmisartan
Ezetimibe if needed
Rosuvastatin if needed (these two are very unlikely to be used)
HGH 8IU daily
Berberine HCl
C60 for antioxidant
Glutathione occasionally for additional antioxidant
OS-01 for SASP (highly likely to drop as it may be BS)
Bpc-157 and TB-500 for growth plate lifespan elongation and joint healing
hCG and hMG
Epithalon

Protocol: Wear it on school days for 10-14 hours, on weekends for 23+ hours. Sleep on back. Question I need help with is how risky is this, can this stack and shit looksmin me, and is there a better route.
Side profile before anything:
Ones where I look shit is where I’m inactive and the one where I look chiseled is from when I lock in for like one work out or two and I restart my lymph and everything.

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